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truthman2012:
Neither Abraham, Ishmael nor Hagai said they saw the black stone when they first got to Mecca. According to the hadith, no people, no house, nothing was on ground. I wonder where you got your own information.

If Abraham saw the black stone at that time, why would he go without looking back on allahh's order? Would allahh have thrown the stone there already and still ordered him not to look back?

My friend, did you forget giving us the islamic source that says Moses, Joshua, Jesus etc came to Kaaba, the resort and sanctuary for ALL MANKIND? You are hereby reminded again and will keep doing so.

truthman2012:
Nowhere have you provided an islamic source that shows Moses, Joshua, Jesus etc visited Kaaba, stop lying. If you have said it, say it again for the sake of your integrity.

So, you know islam says the black stone was thrown down from 'heaven' to determine the location of Kaaba. Why then did you say Abraham knew the location when he first got to Mecca with Hagai and Ishmael, when the black stone has not been thrown? If he had known the exact location at that time, why the need for sending down the black stone again?

true2god:
will keep dancing around till thy kingdom comes. It is necessary for him to show us a single evidence, even from a 'fabricated' hadith that says Jewish prophets like moses, Jesus, John, Elijah visited kabba.

knows to well that there is no single or even a remote evidence that suggested such. If Abraham actually built the kabba as a place of worship, then moses, Jesus and the rest are guilty of not talking about it or going there on a pilgrimage.

The islamic claim of Abraham buiding kabba is both ridiculous and a criminal claim to an average jew.

true2god:
A house of God is a sanctuary where the true God is worshipped.

It is not a place dedicated to idol,

[s]like kabba, that is migrated to the worship of allahh (another arabian god). A house of God should not have any link to paganism such[/s]

1. Kissing a black stone.

2. Encircling a shrine, 7times, just as hindus do till date (hindus practice this before islam)

3. Throwing a symbolic stone to a devil (is the devil resident in kabba?)

[s]All these are pre-islamic practices that were retained by mohammed.[/s]

truthman2012:
What is the relevance of all those to the simple question asked?

All the Bible quotes above are talking about events that took place is Israel. What is your need for them?


The question you have been avoiding is " Why didn't Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and other prophets visit Kaaba, if it is the resort and sanctuary for ALL MANKIND? No biblical or historical evidence that those prophets visited there. Would they not have talked about it and visited Kaaba, a house of God, if it was built by their father, Abraham?. If you don't have islamic records to show that they visited Kaaba, the quran claim that Abraham built Kaaba as a house of God for all mankind is false.

The truth is neither Abraham nor Ishmael built Kaaba. Abraham lived and died in Israel and same for Ishmael.

Abraham

The Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, full of years, and was gathered to his people.
And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machh-pelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre.
The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried and Sarah his wife (Genesis 25:8-19).

Ishmael

And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years and gave up the ghost and died and was gathered to his people.
And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt as thou goest towards Assyria: and he died in the presence of his people (Genesis 25:18-18).

[s]Allah did deliberately not give you the life and death of them to deceive you.


That Abraham and Ishmael built Kaaba is a lie of the Devil.[/s]

channelz:
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Ifeann:
Apparently u are confused about the words quote and discuss. Oh muslims LOl

QUOTE my bible, DISCUSS my bible, ANALYSE my bible, COPY AND PASTE my bible, Review, read, cite, reference it. I am not worried. I will defend it and even when u lie, I will NOT insult you or threaten you or till you to stop. Discussions are necessary.

decisive:
My Brother Truthmann,its pleasant meeting you here,again. You have read a lot about Islam yet you're ignorant. There is a saying:'The more we learn the more we realise how ignorant we are',so,you're still ignorant.
Now,you quoted a hadith,another hadith will be used to help you as you need one.
For schorlarlywork,search for hadith on Ka'abah building.
Now when ismaheel grown up,he married a wife,his father Abraham came to check on him. He came twice to check how he's faring. On third visit,they laid Ka'abah foundation.
As for the looking back,it refers to Abraham leaving them and going as looking back on theinfant and her mother may leave him shattered and dejected. It doesn't mean going forever away.
Lastly,I see you as confused. One who speaks where he doesn't have authority is a pillar of deception. Find the truth and correct your ways. I love you so much because you have interest in Islam. Islam is like a sky up,no hidden ways.

POPdecorator:
my GOD which ALLAH(SWA) told ibrahim not to look back at that present time, is not for everrrrrr mr man use ur sense or u need upgrading?

truthman2012:
Kaaba is a resort and sanctuary for ALL MANKIND. No doubt, must have been built by pagansIbrahim and Ismail (Allah's blessings and peace be upon them.

true2god:
A house of God is a sanctuary where the true God is worshipped.

Sadiq3051:
sallam pls I want to ask u a question, when one is reciting the glorious Qur'an and came across " Sujood " one is expected to go for sujood....what are we to recite on that sujood ?

9jaforlife:
Kulikuli ke?

Are you joking

Ifeann:
Lol.. Deluded fellow. Ok, Read this>>>>

QUOTE what u see in my bible, I have never told a muslim or atheist not to QUOTE my bible. I encourage it. U muslims on the other hand don't like ur quran being QUOTED.

Now run along empiree mr eschatology .

Ifeann:
Discuss what u see in my bible, I have never told a muslim or atheist not to discuss on my bible. I encourage it. U muslims on the other hand don't like ur quran being discussed.

Ifeann:
Who has the time to remove ur "embedded" mention.

Dude this is a forum.

Discuss what u see in my bible, I have never told a muslim or atheist not to discuss on my bible. I encourage it. U muslims on the other hand don't like ur quran being discussed.

The same way Atheists go to Bible directly and quote whatever they want from it.

Ifeann:
What is this one talking about.

I discuss with information I see in ur quran and hadiths. I don't depend on ur imam to change the meaning

truthman2012:
I want the question put to you by true2god answered as that will throw more light on this issue. Since there is no biblical or historical records that prophets of God after Abraham visited Kaaba, show any authentic islamic record for it. If there is none, it will be irrational for you or anyone to believe Kaaba is a ''resort and sanctuary'' for ALL MANKIND. No doubt, must have been built by pagans.

true2god:
You can go for 'osun osogbo' pilgrimage or festival, I dont care. All I'm saying is that just as we have 'osun osogbo' yearly festival or pilgrimage, hajj is arab version of this yoruba festival. The only difference is that while the yorubas maintains its originality by sticking purely to the tradition of their fore-fathers, the arabs have to develop lies and fairy-tales in order to draw the christians and the Jews to their idol worship in kabba.

Yorubas are so good that they won't formulate a story that Abraham visited the osun river, that ishmael is the first person to bath in osun river, that the osun god is the same god the Jewish worship but just that the jews and the christians have corrupted their religion hence they have refused comming for 'osun osogbo' festival.

It is all about packaging, if the yorubas wants to commercial the festival, just as the arab did for hajj, they can as well come up with something to draw the christains and the muslims to the event by developing a false history that will come similar to that of muslims and the christians. The next 10th generation will get it mix-up and the rest will become arguments.

The yoruba, unlike the arabs, are too big for that.

mystiqueDZ:
All the 'patience dogoods' talking....
Ever being replied by those staff? Or talked to rudely? They are as bad as who employed them!!!!! No iota of courtsey....

true2god:
If you read the rebuttal from truthman.2012 with an open mind you will discover that the story that Abraham built kabba is a big lie that is too easy to debunk. Even Islam sources contradicted itself on the issue.

A very valid point was raised, if kabba was built by Abraham as a sanctuary of mankind, why was it not talked about in the bible?

Why didnt Moses, joshua, samuel, saul, david, solomon, joseph, Jesus or any Jewish prophet talked about it or visited it? Why will it start with Abraham and Ishmael, later became a place for 360 arabia idol and later revived by mohammed? So many question marks.

[s]If there are non, it simply means that the kabba story is a fabrication by the arabs to give legitmacy to Islam by involving Abraham and ishmael in their constantly lying equation. It is a known fact that the arabs, till date, are the greatest lying race, so their information is never used as a reference anywhere in the whole world. You can hardly see a book written where arab authors or books are referenced.[/s]

It had been proven, by muslims, that many hadiths are fabricated, why must muslims still use hadith as a valid source of argument? If many hadiths are not authentic, fabricated or not reliable, can we say Islam is reliable? No. Because over 85% of islamic practices are from the hadith.

OLAADEGBU:
May I ask you what constitutes a "truthful Christian"?

onojaduru:
Immediately passengers heard the news, they mobbed airline staff, destroyed their printers and other properties. Aero staff, including luggage attendants ran for their dear lives.

lanrexlan:
Salam Alaikum Waramatulah Wabarakatuh Albaqir,vedaxcool,Udatso,Abuamam,rilwayne001,sister Sissie,E.mpiree, Tbaba1234,sino, Tintingz and other brothers and sisters here.

Brother Udatso I will reply to your mail pretty soon In sha Allah

lanrexlan:
Alhamudulilah dear brother, long time indeed. I have missed a lot here, and missed my people here.I missed Empir.ee o.Hope you are good my brother?

I think she's writing her thesis in bigotry.She needs calibration of the brain

lanrexlan:
You know that if you bought a China phone and tried to configure it for internet settings, you will receive a message saying "Your phone can't be configure over the air please visit the nearest (mobile network) office." Similarly your brain can't be configure on Nairaland you need a manual setting.

There's nothing worthy of reply in the op.He doesn't quote the verses self