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Ifeann:
empiree u have been dodging me. ..i have seen on several thread where u refer to me and avoid mentioning my name. ..u funny man..

i won't get lost.. and no i am not doing exact ly wht i accuse him of. i am exposing the ills of the quran and not promoting it..

have u seen my new post. ..

www.nairaland.com/2146536/mohammed-child-brides-fistula-people

be gud this weekend

Avoiding you ?. The moment you acted childishly, the game was over. A serious scholarly debate is not by calling Muslims names after you are refuted and then jumped from one thread to another. I don't see wisdom in such dialogue. That's why you are ignored. Get that ?

usermane:
Mr Empiree, you r taking this too personal. You are also trying to point out that Islam 's solution to adolescence/teenage sexual relations is Child marriage and that is wrong. There are just too many better ways to curtail adolescent sexual relationship, unfortunately you have chosen to view this through only the lens of your religious beliefs.

Additionally, child marriage is not merely a solution to Child prostitution or fornication in the Muslim world, it is a stand-lone practice that is justified and recognized as Adult marriage. Remember that in 1979, after the "Islamic" revolution in Iran that gave way for a theocratic state ruled by Shari'ah, Ayatollah Khomeini and his circle of clerics reduced the marriageable age for women from 18 to 9. His motive for this move wasn't necessarily to to curb sexual relationship among adolescents but to confirm Child marriage as unquestionable and inherent to Islam.

Hence, forget about adolescent/teenage fornication or prostitution for once, and you will realize that even Child marriage is harmful and unhealthy for the society. This is the point of the original post.

thanks. trust me i don't support child marriage they somehow assume that's what i meant all along. But since they gave me no reasonable answer but mock, i too had to conclude they have no problem with promiscuity. Took it personal ? i didn't mention no one in my post. Haven't they gone too far by calling me pedophilia which doesn't in any way fit my definition ? And who's she to copy my posts and twisting them for personal gain and the other slowpoke keep mentioning me in ridiculous manner?. That isn't personal ?. You didn't see that ?

^ Be quiet up there. What's your business with Shia. They are Muslims....so get lost. And aren't you doing exactly what you accused him of?. Look in the mirror next time before you speak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meUI1R8z_zo

China At It Again
http://naijagists.com/photos-china-forces-muslim-imams-to-dance-on-streets-swear-to-not-preach-islam-to-youths/

http://unpo.org/article/17941

http://naijagists.com/american-girl-who-lost-virginity-to-father-planning-to-marry-him/

There are those who oppose girls who married or are arranged to marry in order to avoid zina (illicit sexual activities). Yet, these same people have no problem with 12yr old, 13yr old etc getting pregnant or bleeped by different men, especially on evil day called valentine.

These young girls as young as 12, 13, 14yrs old etc are fraternizing with guys now. After valentine their boy friends will ditch them. Some of these girls will abort pregnancies, some will deliver their babies but dump them in sewer, some will give birth and abandon the babies in the hospitals, some on the streets etc. These young girls are termed "educated", "westernized", "civilized". This is clear gross violations of the rights of those fatherless babies according Islam. Why get pregnant out of wedlock by random guys or men?.

Some fools say this^ is better world.

If we ask these fools what they think of this....they will say "Bible Doesn't Support This" yet they have no alternative solution to sexual perversion in the society. They are the one that promote promiscuity in the world. Welcome to 21st century of retard brains.

Those young girls who will keep and deliver their babies will give birth to bastards. Quoting from their own "holy book" it says:

Deut. 23:2, “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation.” Even the offspring of bastards were punished."

These are the kinds of people now ruling their country and they want better govt?. These people need serious help.

Enjoy!

Don't be surprised when this happens

northernigbo101:
despite all u said it wont go down in der minds well coz dey r so full of hate... nice one empiree

U dey mind them. They don't get it at all. I feel like they need elementary studies again. This is really simple analysis that they either don't read properly or they simply can't swallow my view despite posting photos for illustration purposes.
When did our Christian brothers and sisters became ridiculous like this??. When I was back home they used to be brilliant and honest. What went wrong?

AllNaijaBlogger:
[s]You said that there is nothing wrong with marrying at the age of 13 in your first comment that I replied.[/s]
#yerimaBoy

Well, let's just leave it. We may be arguing till eternal. My point is very clear. WE ARE NOT HOMOGENEOUS PEOPLE.

It's none of your business if parents chose to give their 13yr old daughter in marriage approapriately. Marriage is NOT the end of her career. And if you go to her parents to complain, they need to ship you out of their house faster than federal express because it's none of your business. VERY SIMPLE

AllNaijaBlogger:
People here see you for the joke you are. Not only that but you have a penchant for lying.That story was met with anger and criticism of the parents of those children. Just read the comments section on the story. You lied that the British media didn't criticise the story. No educated person, British, Christianity or whatever supports pregnancy at such an age.I cannot believe that you would stoop so low to claim that we support teenage se.x or pregnancy to cover up your support for pedophilia. You sit on a throne of lies

Still empty post. Sounds like you have now changed definition of pedophilia.

Honestly, it's you guys (Christians) that promote immoralities in society yet claim Bible don't support it. Shame on you. You have no practical solution. Your problem is crystal clear. You dont care if 12 olds sex one another and have child out of wedlock (bastard) but you so much concern about 13 yrs old legally married. Shame on you.

Your Bible condemn bastard but you encourage it. Deut. 23:2, “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation.” Even the offspring of bastards were punished.

No wonder there bastards in the world today. You think the whole world is same to you. NO capital NO. We are not homogeneous. What you consider legit is not to others vis a vis. Dont you get it?. Islam recognizes this.

"Oh mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (Not that you may despise each other)." Qur’an 49:13

"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours: verily in that are Signs for those who know." Surah 30. Ar-Rum Verse 22

You can see from those verses that Islam is natural religion. It recognizes differences among humans. The idea that a girl has to turn 18 before getting married is absolutely nonsense. If she knows how to kiss a guy, how to sleep with him and have carnal knowledge, what's stopping parents from teaching her/him about importance of marriage?. Christianity is dead. You dont understand at all.

As for youmalvisguy212, I honestly dislike replying or mentioning you. You and other christian fanatics are arrogant. But this is not your thread so i chose to reply you. You claim if christian man marries 1 wife and having ex-marital relationship on the side is not something bible support. I will not dispute that. But you have been saying that far too long now. Clearly on this threads you gave no biblibal solution to sexual perversion in society today. I already gave islam's solutions:Fast or marry. Very simple

You think bible doesn't support homo but who are those promoting homosexual today?. Bible doesn't support porn but who are those promoting it today?. Bible doesn't support mini skirts but who are those wearing them most today?. Bible doesn't support war but who are those invading nations today?. Bible doesn't support this and that...that's your senseless logic but in reality it's the opposite. You dont have problem with 12yr olds British slept together, pregnant and have baby but you have problem with 13 yr old marrying?. Dont you think this is very sickening?.

This is the article of British 12 girl old mother and 13yr old father. Not married but have a baby and you see nothing wrong?. See their pictures below, too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605672/Britains-youngest-parents-Mother-12-gives-birth-7lb-baby-girl-falling-pregnant-primary-school-boy-aged-13.html

Now that you see this, what's your take. Dont just tell me it's wrong and Bible dont support it. I have heard enough of that. What's biblical practical solution is my point. None of the so called "educated" people condemned this 12yr old incident....her mother even said "thank God she's British". What if these two brats were muslims...would you be indifferent?. I doubt that. You would be screaming how barbaric these muslims people are, their Quran teaches them this. bla bla bla..Thats what you are known for here

arewaqueen:
Thank you very much for the response. I want to ask if you have come across any of these books as am very much interested in them. it written wholly in arabic and i dont understand arabic. Here is the list;

Walaikum Salaam. To be honest with you I dont think i ever came across any of those books. However, #3 and #4 sound familiar. I do know of 4-5 different salaawat that I do. Salat Ibrahimah , Faith and three others. Since Ibrahima is directly recommended in hadith, I believe it's the most powerful one.

We have discussed a lot on this thread that you can see many differences. I understand some muslim shun any type of salawat other than what is recommended. However, my understanding growing up is prayers recommended in the hadith are just the beginning. It' doesn't stops there. It's like I send salaawat on prophet (saw) in my language and then recommend it to others. That's the way I see other salaawat. I dont worry myself about "rewards" behind them. What matters is we do not praise him beyond human status. You dont have to agree with those who chose to stick to what is basically recommended. That's not only form of sunnah and that's their understanding.

There is hadith in Abu Daud, was narrated by Aisha (ra) that rosul (saw) said if anyone does good deeds not approved of will be rejected. I think people understood it differently. I have always known it's referring deeds in the obligatory duties. One can do good deeds not directly recommended in hadith with good intention but it's gotta be within the Shariah. For instance, it's mandatory to pray four rakat in suhr, asr and Isha, a muslim can't say he can offer 5 rakat, that's rubbish. But when it comes to supererogatory or nawafil you can do as much as you want so long as it doesn't impact your obligatory duties towards Allah. Simple.

Please dont let anyone tell you those salaawat are not allowed or are haraam. Get their translations and understand the words. So long it doesnt say prophet is God, there is no problem. Let me give you another example. It's not recorded that prophet(saw) used tasbih(tesuba). Because of that, some muslims today consider it bidah to use it. That sounds funny. Tesuba is like mechanical device to aide your duty. It's common sense. I will inshallah search for those books if I can find them.

AllNaijaBlogger:

That means i won my argument. You lose. hahaha

AllNaijaBlogger:
Why would I condemn a muslim man for marrying that girl? As long as she is 18 and above and also his only wife (no polygamy) why would I as a christian bother?


You failed the moment you said that the parents had the right to marry off a 13 year old girl.

Smh...u ppl are so funny. You see, "me and wife" only sounds hypothetical to me. In your doctrine it's 1 man 1 wife but you have no problem with girl friends you bleep on the side. Take Clinton and Lewinsky as case study. Also did you hear "nollyhood" news recently...Jibola Debo a christian man's confession that 1 woman isn't enough for a man? Many cases like that reported by naijagists last year.

Islam is natural religion. It recognizes nature of men. Only in terms of justice and resources it says to marry up to 4 wives . If you can't then marry 1.

My question still stands. I know if Oyo king was a muslim looking fella you freaking ppl would condemn him. You can see op brought up pix he considers ridiculous. Is there any difference btw the 2?

God forbid if my daughter appears to be sex addict at 13, i will explore all means to dissuade her. if it doesn't work, i will arrange marriage for her. i will ask her to bring the guy. Not old man. I don't care if they have to live in my building and i will support them. The least is to allow her get bleeped out of wedlock. That's not happening. I won't care what anyone says. Wait until 18 is western analogy . I don't subscribe to that. There are 13 yr olds giving birth out of wedlock you people don't worry about that because sacredness is no longer issue in Christianity. Do you remember few yrs ago 2 British boy and girl had a baby...thats not issue right ?

You talked about marriage is btw 2 consenting adults, did those 12 yr olds British not consented before bleeping one another and got pregnant and have baby?. Get over it. Your problem is you don't follow jesus...you modern christians adopted common law yet still shouting JESUS. You people are fake.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Two wrongs make a right.


If you bring a story of a molester from Empiree's village, he will point to another man's village and complain about their own (the other village's) molester.

I dey gbadun talking to you

AllNaijaBlogger:
Yes, because 13 year olds matriculate in universities. SMH. The youngest wife of the Alaafin of Oyo is in university.
You keep trying to prove two wrongs make a right and you keep failing. You keep bringing the strawman with the Alaafin of Oyo.


Why no one is doubting the op is because we have seen 12 to 15 year olds getting married off in Nigeria.

I didn't put up any pic of a bearded Muslim. Stop your false accusations.

Everyone is disappointed by your comments here

Well, u dug that nice excuse there @bold. Nice one. How did you know that? evidence pls?.

I understand u guys believe op because it's precedent. But in this case, it's guess work. He guessed her age cus look.

As for pix, my question stands. If Alaafin oyo was a muslim looking man married to that beautiful girl, u freaking would still condemn him. YES OR NO?.

Finally, i don't care what folks say. What exactly you think im promoting here?

His name was household name since my childhood.

We used to sing names of prominent Muslims end with "Al-Kanemi ti Borno"

May Allah forgive him.

Which is worse now?
https://www.nairaland.com/2142986/man-rapes-own-daughters-benin

maclatunji:
^But her bird is mysterious.? #Yeye

Lol, i didnt say that. But pls be sensitive here though. She said the door and windows were closed. But in your case, you confirmed frogs dwelt around your place. Quiet different. Unless there is possibility that bird came in before windows were closed. Bro, her case is not peculiar. I saw that happened before.

hotmas911:
no. Nobody can tamper with your land.

Good to hear. Okay now, say I am ready to buy now like 3acres, how much is the basic price and how much is process fees (i:e C/O, Deed etc). Thanks

Let me put them together. Is anything diff in the pictures below other than their looks?. You either condemn both or commend both. You can't possibly tell their age. Stop hypocrisy. #stopbigotry.

Pix #1 is months old

Pix #2 is this month

Compare them with last one. Is there any difference?. Don't tell me king's wife maybe older. That's nonsense. It's only when it involves Muslim you freaking people scream. I bet if a bearded Muslim man was sitting next to King's young wife, you would condemn it. That's my point. Text in the last pix was written by loner. Would the same Ayaan Hisri Ali wrote the same text on the first two pictures?.

RESPECT DIFFERENCES IN CULTURES AND RELIGIONS, PERIOD. It's none of your business if parents give their daughter in marriage. We don't judge people. It's not our duty. We (the world) are not homogeneous. Get over it.

usermane:
If the aim of this thread is to malign Islam, then i guess you should be used to non-Muslims maligning Islam by now. Go straight to the point. Not every non-Muslim out here is interested in maligning Islam.
They wont accept that the Hadith is false because mainstream ulamas and their ancestors authenticate the Hadith and as long as you continue to endorse these ulamas and revere them, non-Muslims will take them as true voice of Islam.

This is not even about a bogus hadith. This is about if it's appropriate to marry off 13yr old. And in order to make a case, he dug up picture of cultured people portrayed muslims. But if you want to keep talking about hadith or ulama....be my guess. I am listening

AllNaijaBlogger:
Pow!

See finishing!

You rightly said it- empiree is the master of strawmen.

Please, let him tell us the age of the youngest wife of the Alaafin of Oyo.


He also loves to falsely accuse non-muslims. Kudos.

And please tell me the age of the girl in the op. Op only gave description and forged age. It's conjecture. None of us saw the girl. You fellas are hypocrites. You chose what suits you. Imaging you now want to know the age of Oyo king's wife? But if the king had been bearded Muslim sitting next to that beautiful lady the story would have turned around. Get a life people. Why is king's age now important?. Appearance speaks volume.

hotmas911:
bro, abeg no vex. I don't think the fencing is necessary. But if you insist the size of the land needs to be considered.

Haba bro, vex at you? na. you are my friend here. So basically you think "omonile" wont tamper with it without fencing it?

hotmas911:
http://thenationonlineng.net/new/farmland-cost-rises/

You dont even bother answering my question. And you should be posting pix too to entice us.

usermane:
You can see that you keep beating about the bush. You even taunt non-Muslims at the end of your post, this expresses a huge weakness in your position. Unless, you are willing to adopt a more critical and rational stance to religion rather than sheer compliance with traditions or clerics, you will continue to pay through your nose. You will dare not allow non-Muslims post in your section because you get upset over the slightest criticism. You will clutch to straw man argument, window dressing and wallow in victim-hood to save you from drowning in the ocean of criticism.

Oh, and lest i forget, remember you denied on another thread that mainstream/orthodox Islam doesn't promote Pedophilia. Have a look at this:



Good day!

Do you spot any diff btw

1- 13yr old married...to who?(this is my point)

2- 13yr old married to old man.(I against this)

Can you spot the difference?. Where in my post i said 13 yr old should marry old man?. Definition of pedophilia is 50yr old man marrying 13 yr old girl. Understand?.

By the way, look at the pix below, good looking right?. If it was a beared muslim man it's wrong right?. Cases like this exist in Asia. My point is it's only when it involves muslims you people cry out loud. Respect others' cultures and way of life. Dont impose your view on others. If Mr. A marries her daughter @13 to someone is none of my business. Abuse and forced marriage is what Islam frowns at.

Get over it

usermane:
Yeah, some conservative and traditional interpretation of Islam condone this on authority of a hearsay report that Muhammad married Aisha at the age of 6 and consummated the marriage 3 years later. It is however contrary baseless from Qur'anic point of view.

He still doesn't get it. This thread is basically intended to hypocritically malign muslims. Simple. Hadith of Aisha married to prophet @ 6 is false. Doesn't bother me if it's in suhih. I have long head this view. Kufar are not ready to accept it and that's their headache.

johnydon22 post=30674198]Is this what we want for the world?

You now exposed your real intention. When i said earlier you are here to bash, i was correct. Now that you posted picture of your choice, what's the difference btw your pix and my pictures posted up there?. You and other fellows don't either read my posts or simply dont understand them. You and them eschew criticism of Alaafin Oyo marriage to a grandchild. I asked what is the difference between that and this?. If you can't answer it means you guys are hypocrites and bigots. It's only when it involved muslims you scream down your throat.

Besides, the picture you posted doesn't prove anything. We know Oyo king married grandchild and no outcry. But picture you posted doesnt have evidence. Just like pictures of Palestinian men with young girls used by satanic agent to vilify islam and muslims

^^Truly, Nigerians, you need lots of education. Being educated does not equate able to speak English. Not at all. That's not the definition. "Why is it" why this, why that...you can answer those questions by studying Islam itself. This is why I like those white folks and westerners sometimes. They are masters of curiosities. They would shun media and bigotry and go to the source except some nut-job among them. In most cases they understand better than so called Africans. Educate yourself, remove the clog in your eyes, drop the veil and stop being lazy. Study and learn. Stop the hate and embrace love. There is more to meet the eyes in all these atrocities. Calm and enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObPz_ly_Lo8&index=132&list=FL0GR3AOFGVPiVLu3QxCro8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfhoU66s4Y&index=133&list=FL0GR3AOFGVPiVLu3QxCro8A

arewaqueen:
Woow! My grandfather was a sheikh of the Tijjaniyyah sect though he doesnt do the ya inyass/ya shehu. So i got some prayers passed down and i sticked to suratul iklas, ya ladif, ya hayyu ya qayyum and ayatul kursiyyu. Wallahi then i got everything i wanted.

Something happened in 2011 , I was doing qiyamul layl for almost 3 months straight, then from nowhere a bird flew into the sitting room . All doors were locked so i wonder how it got in. I ran away and i have no idea how it flew out.

My parents and siblings thought i was hallucinating but the bird left a sign of its poo around the house.

Now i don't know if that was just a bird or a sign.

I wish some1 could help

Ruining away complicated the whole unfortunate saga. You should have done what Maryam(alaiy salam) did. She sought refuge in Allah when strange creature appeared to her. Click here to read what she said:http://quran.com/19/18 . This confirmed you aren't strong.

Becareful! Say for instance it was a crazy-looking Jinn creature that appeared like that you would run outside and run mad (auzubillah). You better be steadfast in your daily obligatory salat really good, strengthen your faith first before getting into this. If you pick up whatever "sign" you saw, there is no way of confirming whether it is from shaytan or real. Again please read what Maryam alaiy salam said. Click here: http://quran.com/19/18 . Good thing is you invoked Allah in plinth of your post....Mashallah.

Something happened in 2011 , I was doing qiyamul layl for almost 3 months straight,

You appear to have practiced istiqoma here. That's the real deal some people dont seem to get. You should have learned very well before you began. It's lined up like this: Faith, steadfastness, karammah. (See Quran 41:30) http://quran.com/41/30

Problem is steadfastness.....that's what many of us can't do today. "Bushra" mentioned in the verse is karama (good news here and hereafter)

And maclatunji was right to certain extent. However we do know on this thread that Mr. Mac can be phobia of this things sometimes. Sometimes he's also self-confidence and egocentric. Right Mr Mac Definitely, the frog crawled in unnoticed probably days earlier. That sounds familiar though.

GlorifiedTunde:
[size=3pt]Keep deceiving yourself. When you hear Rome, what do you think of?
So that little girl is ISIS? That little boy with barrels if guns to his head is a terrorist?
All in the name of trying to defend what you know nothing about you come here and start lying
I am not hating the non-killer Muslims, I curse the ones who kill with enough Quranic citations to back it up. These killers claim to know the Quran more than you and follow its tenet to the letter. You non-killing Muslims come out boldly to condemn them - with Quranic citations that will shut them up!
Inciting what?! So that's your defence? How many people know these evil acts are going on? I saw it on an official Facebook page urging Christians to pray for their fellow Christians in the Muslim nations. Who is the liar, you denying this obvious act against Christians or me? Do you know the Christian community is keeping tabs of all these? You think they're are fools? Thank God Nigeria is a little better now. You want to tell me the northern Muslims haven't done similar? Mr man why didn't you stumble on thus pictures before I did and write an epistle condemning these so called Muslims destroying the reputation of Islam?[/size]

Honestly you need to stop this. Scrap Islam out of this.

You evangelical Christians do not love those victims. You only prey on them. You use their plights to evangelize. It's not new. Did you say anything against invasion in the first place?. That's the root cause of all these. Why don't you folks call invading army judeo/christian terrorists?. Many reverends and pastors like Jerry Farewell supported the war. They profited from it. Farewell himself said "we are winning". And dont forget around 2004-2007, some evangelical Christians were happy to use iraqi victims to evangelize on Tv. They went to iraq with Bibles and distributed them to muslims.

Those pastors used to say "my God is better than yours" during iraq conflict. Don't forget when troops used to blow up mosques, stumped their shoes in the mosques. They killed some over a million Iraqis mostly Muslims. Most videos of pastors publicly supporting the war are removed from YouTube including Farewell.

So this is bigger than what you think. Stop this silly show-off. Do more research, reading and learning rather than posting cheap shot to vilify and malign islam and muslims. You Didn't Open This Thread Because You Love Alleged Victims. You Open This Thread To Bash Islam And Evangelize Christianity. GWB once said "Let's proclaim glory of God on our men and women in uniform serving in iraq".

MrOlai:
You are a terrible liar! It is so unfortunate that u are using d unfortunate incident in Syria and Iraq to fuel hatred, enmity and crisis between d christians and d muslims! The graphic pictures u uploaded are d pictures of muslims especially Syrian, Iraqi soldiers and their locals killed by ISIS 'terrorists'.

Inciting or fuelling crisis between christians and muslims will not bring any good. If u create conflicts between christians and muslims who are living together as one single family, then, you are not different from d terrorists!

Gbam!.....Lobatan.

tartar9: yes of course Islam is not a religion of peace because it teaches you should behead toddlers.nonsense! you are not even condemning the psychopath who carried out the attack but on how the world should use it to justify its hate against Muslims if this should be your justificastion for hating1.7 billion Muslims then the 'terrorist' have more than enough justification.

You see, Christians like to use this as opportunity to propagate. I have learned to let go their stupidity sometimes. They love to capitalize on nonsense like this. Allah will expose those behind these killings around the world. I am sick of it. Iraq was relatively peaceful before judeo/christian terrorists invaded the nation. Someone up there already have problems with Nabiy Muhammad(Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).

@ GlorifiedTunde , I will really appreciate if you take these pix off. Just post a link. These are too graphic. I can't stomach them at all. Thanks a lot.