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[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=30632306][/quote]How do you feel now bro?. Did i drive you crazy on this thread?. yes? yes?. That's good. No hard feelings?

vedaxcool:
Indeed my sister, muslims are really receiving a RAW DEAL!

I thought you were joking with that pix up there when you posted it on the other thread this morning. I didn't know it was real. Just read about it some minutes ago. Sad! Didn't hear anything on the news @all.

tola9ja:
marriage is the best solution

Tell them brother tell them. They now see marriage as unsavory. That's the #1 solution. Confessing to pastor is nonsense. Prayer, yes, maybe, but it needs marriage support. Op, ( Yehman ), you sure you aint the one troubled by it

And this one, too.
https://www.nairaland.com/2139163/islamophobia-europe-guard-hit-9-year-old

AllNaijaBlogger:
This is what I am talking about. He thinks we are here to hate on islam. No, we are just against child marriage wherever it is from, be it islam paganism or christianity (evn though I am a christian, I would never cover up for any pedophile pastor)

I personally am saddened that Empire and the other muslim believe that there are valid cases where a 13 year old can be married. This is because I know many of my muslim friends who were against Yerima when he married the 14 year old girl.

I repeat, MOST OF US HERE ARE NOT HERE TO BASH ISLAM BUT TO SPEAK AGAINST CHILD MARRIAGE/PREGNANCY/PEDOPHILIA. The exceptions of course are two christians on this thread that bash islam everyday on the religion section.

honestly, enough said. You are not sensitive as far as i am concern. pls pay close attn @bold. Yes, I have the right to think you guys are here to bash. Look at the heading. But I dont necessarily care about that. Second, you obviously didn't read my comments. I even said in my earlier post that i can't even marry off my 15yr old. But you always rush to comment. That's your wahala. My point was if they could protest against Yarima, why not against Alaafin Oyo as well? Hypocrisy smells when it comes to muslims. I even posted pix up there but you all pretend you didnt see them. You people have ulterior motives. Why not protest against him too?. Too late to do that now. They can't becos he's king, rich and the young lady is beautiful, healthy and in good condition. THAT'S WHY.
Talking about PREGNANCY/PEDOPHILIA as you fondly said, i have said this time and again. That how about a 13 yr old, not married, got pregnant by street boy or irresponsible guy or man. There is no way to hold the guy/man down for bear responsibilities. The new born becomes bastard. And pedo, you can find lots of them at vatican.
Pls be sensitive towards others. What's the point of 13 yr old not married, sexually active and gets pregnant, that's my point. Is there any diff btw her and a married 13 yr old girl?

Papist:
I am talking translations here. Not saying the KJV is false. Meanwhile doesnt the Koran have its own translations like Yusuf Ali and Pickthall just to mention a few? Does it mean they are different Korans? Also why are Muslims derailing this thread?

na u guys have different bibles. not just different translations

AllNaijaBlogger:
[s]I just pity you. So after seeing that your had no sensible point, you now change the issue to the sex.uality of 13 year olds.
You still reek of pedophilia. How did such become your focus? I did not have se.x at age 13. Good upbringing will keep one off such promiscuity at that age. Well, this thread has become great evidence that some people are worse than Yerima and they support child marriage.[/s]

This is just empty words...honestly. You did not raise any point. I can understand your view point but dont call others pedophilia. You have bunch of pe.dop.hile.s in Catholics and Vatican. Very obvious there. Worry yourself about your fellow christian rapists and gays. If someone marries his daughter to someone is none of your business. Simple as that since you don't want to reason to what i am saying. I didnt even say to marry 13yr old to grown man. You dont read btw lines. You have no practical solution.

And everything in the op is perhaps guesswork. He only feels bad seeing her condition. What proof do you have that the girl married to grown man?. Op doesnt know that. it's guesswork. What if she had been impregnated by street boys?. It's all guesswork. Worse happen in the east and south -south. CASE CLOSED



THIS IS DEFINITION OF PEDOPHILIA according to medicinenet.com

Pedophilia: Adult sexual fondness for and activity with children. Pedophilia is a form of paraphilia (deviant sexual behavior). If acted out, pedophilia is legally defined as sexual child abuse. Pedophilia includes handling a child's genitals, intercourse, incest, rape, sodomy, exhibitionism, and commercial exploitation of children through prostitution or the production of pornographic materials. Pedophiles who have sexually abused children require intense psychological and pharmacological therapy prior to release into the community because of the high rate of repeat offenders. Treatment is rarely effective because the disorder is not yet well understood.

Unless you can point out in my earlier posts where I mentioned 13 yrs old should marry grandpa, if you can't then you have been very dishonest. Looking at the definition above is exactly accusations in Bible made against great prophets of God which are blasphemies. We also see these activities in Churches and your almighty Vatican. It's all over the news. Most of those priests are not punished. They got away with it. I also posted pictures above. Why didn't you say something about it?. It's only when Muslims involved you people scream "CHILD MARRIAGE". Why dont you go to Alafin palace and accuse him of marrying a young girl?. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES

Papist:
Peace my brother. I condemn any non civil discussions about Islam from my fellow Christians and sorry about that. On the other hand i also feel offended when Muslims proclaim that Jesus is nothing more than Allah's messenger. They do it in the West especially during demonstrations holding placards written *Jesus is Allah's prophet & proclaiming their centuries old desire to conquer Rome. So u see sometimes your brothers and sisters' behaviour is to blame for this. Salam

He said it all:

namuH:
Thanks for the condemnation. But you see the prophethood of the prophets in Islam is one of the basic beliefs we must have in Islam, if a person does not belief in the messangers of God, he is not a muslim, I must belief in Jesus as a prophet otherwise I am not a muslim, it's one of the pillars of islamic faith, I must beliefin Adam, Enoch, David, Noah, Moses,Jonah,Jesus and other prophets as prophets, just like I believe in Muhammad as a prophet. That of their desire to
conquer Rome is what I don't know about, but any Muslim insulting other's deities is not a good muslim has he's failed to follow Allah's instruction in the Qur'an. Peace! :-)

Even sad someone quoting hadith however she wants. No regards for its sciences. Tells us she studied islam from cover to cover and that she has learned it all about Islam from Islamic scholars and found Islam to be false. I as a Muslim can't even boost i know everything about Islam needless to say a christian. She's basically copying and pasting them here. Then want to tell us Islam as we know it is not the way. That her explanation of Islam is correct. I found that jocular. You can see them here on this thread. They not gonna change.

As for Oga Papist, I hear you. Unfortunately, we just have to speak the truth. We have to say exactly about Jesus the son of Mary exactly what Quran teaches us. But we must speak with wisdom not stumping our feet over others.

dolphinheart:
@ empire
[size=3pt]Definition of abrogation: ab-ro-gate: v.tr. repeal, annul, abolish (a law or custom)

Definition of abrogation in islam:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naskh_(tafsir)
Does the two correspond?Does islam totally follow the first definition of abrogation (which you posted)You are right, societal norms,customs, laws and views do change and adjust with time. But it does not totally change in a period of 30 to 40 years that requires an expansive change of the laws. this is done for the koran and not for the scriptures. The laws does not require certain situations to happen to the writer before the laws are being made or abrogated . That is what the koran is being accused of and the bible is not .The laws giving in the OT where not changed by the same man, unlike the koran .
Unlike the koran , the law God gave the isrealites was not changed for thousands of years.
The koran changed directive within the same body of laws. Jesus brought a new covenant with new directive , directive that does not put the older laws as false or wrong.[/size]

I really dont need to bother myself. Evidences are abound in your bibles. I didnt say old law are false. I simply said Jesus did not change nor relax old testament laws. So called new covenant are questionable when it's crystal clear from same NT that....
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

The law he referred to above is Mosaic law (Law of Moses)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)^

Keep in mind, this is Jesus Christ saying this–in the Bible that all Christians own and cherish. Don’t take my word for it; look it up–it’s all there.

Deuteronomy 31:25-29New International Version (NIV)

25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord: 26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a witness against you. 27 For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are. If you have been rebellious against the Lord while I am still alive and with you, how much more will you rebel after I die! 28 Assemble before me all the elders of your tribes and all your officials, so that I can speak these words in their hearing and call the heavens and the earth to testify against them. 29 For I know that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall on you because you will do evil in the sight of the Lord and arouse his anger by what your hands have made.”

Jesus did not come with a new law. Some must have rewrote your bible. Why all the Bible (books) according to this and that and NOT according to Jesus himself?. All chronicles are hearsay...I got more evidences against you people. I can bring them up as i deem fit.

As for Quran, there is no abrogation in Quran. Verses of Quran that talks about abrogation simply refer to previous revealed Book like Torah and Gospel. All laws in those Books are abrogated by Quran as it's the final testament.

malvisguy212:
[Quran 10:94] - And if thou (Muhammad)
art in doubt concerning that which We
reveal unto thee, then question those
who read the Scripture (that was)
before thee. Verily the Truth from thy
Lord hath come unto thee. So be not
thou of the waverers.

Honestly, i dont have time for you guys. I see you people as arrogant as you can be. I have made up my mind to ignore you and few others cus, your writings are neither friendly nor professional but attacks and blasphemies. I know you 've been throwing questions all around seeking answers but people ignore you because when they answer you and others call them liars, taqqiya as you fondly call it. If i want i will answer with precedent and i wont care whether you are satisfied with it or not.

By way, if you believe that verse of Quran is true, why dont you then accept Quran as the word of God? Why are you yourself acting like a double standard hypocrite to quote a verse from Quran and yet deny Quran as a LIE? If you really think that Quran 10:94 is true, why then you dont reject the religion of falsehood and corruptions called Christianity with that for Islam?

malvisguy212:
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Surah 16:101: say-quran-word-god

Sorry pal, theory of abrogation was explained to you already. I did. You chose to not accept it. So there is nothing to discuss with you on this. Maybe this video may help you again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a500voEH92g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQHuzRc2lwk

AllNaijaBlogger

I feel sad for you. Honestly.

Sorry for yourself brother

You say that there is no alternative. That is false. I gave an example of teaching a child about farming if the parents can't pay school fees. Farming, tailoring, hair dressing. The child can then use it when she is 16/18 to start working. And can go to adult school after making the money.

And how does this solve sexual desire?.

You say that we wouldn't care if the 13 year old is living in a rich husband's house. That is false. I don't know if the version of islam you know teaches you to make false accusations. Christians are against child marriage of 13 year old whether rich or poor.

And why did they not protest Alafin oyo...only protest muslims. Go and protest him and see what happens. The pictures above.

You say that pastors have no alternatives or solution to 13 year olds being sex.ed up in the street. That is false again. Do you know that there are some christian orphanages in Nigeria? What about children that catholic church sponsor free with scholarship to their primary and secondary schools?

I sincerely thank and appreciate them for this. May Allah protect those people and ease their ways. Amin. But how does this solve such problem. Did you even grasp the point at all?. What you said here is just like taking care of orphans, homeless etc. Still doesnt prevent illicit sexual intercourse. You still did not provide biblical solution. Note, i do not object to what you said here. You see, Islam is natural religion. It recognizes human nature. For you and others to pretend young boys and girls are not bleeping one another anyhow in modern day is very hypocritical. Being in a catholic camp doesnt prevent it.

There is 'figh' in Islam i:e Jurisprudence

There is also 'ashura' in islam i:e consultation. These are implemented in Islam by inviting learned men and women to come together on issues concerning affairs of Muslims. It's where they disagree to agree on community affairs. Let me give you example. Like marriage issues, Islam does not recognize age limit. It recognizes "puberty age" i:e when a girl experiences womanhood. It's my responsibility as father to follow Islamic injunctions. Now, I am not jurist expert on this but I have learned some from scholars.

Say for instance in modern time a girl reaches puberty at 6, does that mean giving her in marriage at that age?. No. Responsibilities are placed on parents to look after her activities. When a young girl starts growing boobs, buttock, dont tell me boys wont try to bleep her. This is where figh comes in to prevent zina. Zina (illegal intercourse) is highly detested in Islam. It's very sinful and every Muslim knows that.

Islam provides practical solution. So I have heard scholars said she should be maintained by parents to certain age before marrying her off. What I understood recorded in hadith is if a girl experiences her 1st period while living in her parents house and 2nd period as well, 3rd period must be done at her husband's house (i:e she should be married). The whole idea is morality. As for boys/men, they too are urged to get married or fast. Fast suppresses sexual desire. But how many want to fast? These are the two basic solution offered in Islam. What non-muslims say is irrelevant in this regard.

At this point, all I can say for you is that you are letting down all the good Muslims with your comments. Stop lying and stop supporting child marriage. 13 year old should never get married.

Honestly, you need to stop this. I took this matter seriously beyond calling me names. So far, you did not provide biblical solution. You only lean towards western idea yet claiming to follow Jesus. Children...boys and girls in catholic camps does not provide practical solution to immoralities. They still can have sexual desire and have illegal sex.

The reason you didn't grasp my point all along was because you people have abandoned Jesus and his teachings. You follow your own desire.

Note, even a girl or boy marrying does not mean they cant engage in extramarital affairs just like adult. But initial problem is solved.

Again, what's Christianity practical solution to sexual perversion in society now rampant among young people especially in Christianity?. Dont tell me pastors don't support it. Look around you, Hollywood, Nollyhood as they are called, all these sexual ads are promoted by Christians and Atheists and some other religions.

May God heal your soul

Amin...and you too brother.

@ zeezahbee , imagine someone claiming to have learned everything about Islam cover to cover and then said it's false?. Not even learned scholars of Islam claimed such. They (scholars) and we always seek knowledge till death. It doesn't pay to be arrogant @all. I hate discussion with such fellow. Doesn't sound intelligent to me especially when she wants us to believe and accept her version. I have long lived and heard such cases. They are not perculiar to me at all. My arguments always give hardcore kufar headache. They can't stand me.

Now, here is Islamic warning concerning such immoral and ways to prevent it.

WARNING:

[b]“And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a Fahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)), and an evil way (that leads one to Hell unless Allah forgives him)” al-Isra’ 17:23]

And peace and blessings be upon His slave and Messenger Muhammad, who said, "When a man commits fornication, faith departs from him and there is something like a canvas roof over his head; and when he quits that action, faith returns to him" (Abu Dawud 40:4673).

Anas ibn Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying, "It is from the conditions of the Last Hour that knowledge would be taken away and ignorance would prevail (upon the world), liquor would be drunk, and adultery would become rampant" (Muslim 34:6451).

Prophet Muhammad viewed zina as a serious crime. It is reported that Allahs Messenger ordered that an unmarried man who committed illegal sexual intercourse be scourged one hundred lashes and sent into exile for one year (Al-Bukhari 3:48 817).[/b]

REPENTANCE & FORGIVNESS:

The repentance will not be accepted if it is done during the throes of death, as Allah Most High says
[And repentance is not for those who go on doing evil deeds, until when death comes to one of them, he says: Surely now I repent; nor (for) those who die while they are unbelievers. ] (An-Nisaa' 4:18)

After sincere repentance...

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumur verses 53-54:
(O Prophet) say: “O My servants who have wronged their own souls….Do not despair of Allah’s Mercy! Surely, Allah forgives all sins. He indeed is the All Forgiving, All Merciful. Return to your Lord and submit to Him before the scourge overtakes you; for then you may get no help from anywhere.”

SOLUTION:

Islamic Tips To Avoid Zina


Allah SWT has said in Quran Do not go near to adultery. Surely it is a shameful deed and evil, opening roads to other sins.

In today's world of Media, Internet and common free mixing the Zina has also became very common. But by following the guidelines of Islam we can protect ourselves from this haram act. following are some tips to save yourself from Zina.

1 First way to avoid Zina is Hijab. A Women Should cover herself properly and not expose her beauty and body in front of others.

2 Men should keep their eyes low whenever they are outside. Rasool Allah SAW has taught us that if our eyes goes towards a women then lower your eyes and don't watch her again. It protects us from Zina of eyes.

3 Third tip for avoiding Zina is to avoid unnecessary free mixing on different events.

4 Co-Education is another reason that is promoting Zina. There is need of separate education institutes for boys and girls.

5 fifth tip to avoid Zina is that Women should not do Jobs unnecessarily specially on places where men also work. Financial responsibility according to Islam is on Man not women.

6 Next way to stay away from Zina is proper use of technology like TV, Internet and Mobile. Parents should see how their kids are using technology?

7 Offer Salah regularly and read Quran with translation. it will help you to stay away from wrong path. Also do Zikr of Allah often

8 You should get married as soon as possible if you are capable for it. it will also save you from Zina.

9 Keep Good company of friends. Bad friends will take you towards bad way.

Regular fasting is another way of suppressing sexual desires, as Allahs Messenger prescribed it for young people who could not afford to get married.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/happy-muslim-family/oh-muslim-parents-protect-your-children-from-zina/109674949065306

following...

rationalmind:
Secondly, whether I have a solution to prostitution or not is not relevant. What matters is, marrying off little girls (who are incapable of making decisions of their own) to men old enough to be their grandpa is not the solution to prostitution. If it were, there would be little or no prostitutes in the North where the practice is prevalent.

And lastly, I'm not a christian

Good. I like this conclusion of your. Now, since you made that conclusion, can you now see something wrong in this picture?(see below)

Did I ever said in my earlier posts that a girl should be married off to someone old enough to be her grandpa?. That's false assumption of yours

The thing is you people have ulterior motives when it comes to Muslims You dont love Muslims. You only wish they be like you. Why did they not protest this king?.

rationalmind:
Reading empires posts feels so disgusting.

How can a grown up be so stewpid and spew such senseless words all in a bid to support paedophiles simple because his prophet is a notorious paedophile?

If one doesn't know better, reading posts of people like this dude will make one develop animosity and total hatred towards muslims and by extension islam

Sorry you feel bad. we can not always agree. You guys just don't get it. Now question for you. Do you have solution to prostitution around young men and women today?. If you say your pastors don't support it then they must have solution. If they don't then they support prostitution of young women

Thanks for that insult. In Islam this is a matter of figh. what you think it's irrelevant. The fact that you recognise such immoral act exist, that seals your fate. Alternative is what I'm exploiting here. It's unethical to call me a liar. That's uncalled for. it seems you have problem with my linguistic analysis. I never said pastors support prostitution.

Clearly you people have no alternative solution to such immorals in society and this is not EU.

Like I said before, this is figh issue. I have listened to imam who have said If a girl reaches puberty at young, it's your duty as parents to monitor her activities before reaching legal age allowed in the country.

So far, it's not criminal offense in Nigeria for 13 yrs old to marry. How that's your cup of tea I don't know. The decision the way I see is parents. That doesn't mean I support it. Fact remains, if she lives in a big mansion, living good you people can careless. please stop calling me liar and stop being judgemental.

What's the difference btw married 13yr old and 13 yr old getting bleeped in the street. Yes,. your pastors don't support it but they have no solution either.

I'm honestly sick of you people. Muslims are not homogeneous people. How's that difficult to understand?. What mainstream folks do is not always right. It seems you people have no problem with a 13 yrs old sleeping around but you have problem with parent giving her in marriage. I'm not necessarily suporting this particular incident @op. Point is stop being judgmental. Her patent decision was based on niyat(intention)

My neighbor is 35 and she's now grandma. She didn't marry. Her daughter didn't marry but have kids at 15 while sleeping around. You people see nothing wrong with that. You don't talk about VVF none sense in such situation. You don't talk about if she knows what loves is such situation. She cant identift baby father or baby father doesn't want responsibilities. Get a life. it's her parents decision. Problem is they must be sure she lives in good condition. Please I don't want to hear "educated people" . The phrase is abused. I'm not supporting pedophilia. What's good for the goose may not be for Mr. Nigerblogger.

AllNaijaBlogger:
I don't usually talk negative about islam out of respect but seriously, muslims like you are a disgrace to humanity.

I am sorry to use such hard words but I find it disgusting that someone can justify marrying off a 13 year old.


There is no circumstance where marrying a 13 year old girl is right. If parents can't afford school, they should teach her some vocation at home. My uncle didn't go to school but he helped in the farm since age 10 and remains a Farmer.

Thank God that most educated muslims here in the south are ashamed of underage marriage.

Listen man, you can say whatever. Parents decide what they think it's best for them. Think outside the box. This is not about muslims. It happen in other places not necessary religion. I personally will not marry off my daughter at 15 either.

The girl's parents decided what suit them and that's their business not yours. Get it?. There are other 13 yr olds out there living in the so called "modern home". But their 13yr old sleeps around like dog. She already abort pregnancy which is common in today's world. Which do you prefer: marriage or prostitution?. You decide.

But when you accuse islam for decision made by average human, you definitely have a problem. I have given example above but you snubbed. Let me rephrase.

If a 13 yrs old girl is married to rich man, live good and all that, will you even bother to question about her age? while her condition is sweet, healthy etc?. It's only when condition is the opposite you people scream over nothing. Hey, Alafin Oyo married great-grand-daughter. That one is fantastic right?. They marry young somewhere in Eastern EU country. Can't remember it name. They still do. So get over it. What I dont agree with is a child that has not reach puberty.

Papist:
How old is the King James Bible. Is it older than the Latin Vulgate? Hint: the Latin Vulgate is 1200 years older than the KJV. So how does the KJV become the true word of God?

Wahala dey ooo. You guys got many versions and still telling us you are on the right path? hell no.

As for your question you owe that to yourself.

ebamma:
just shut up

Tell that to your christian brothers n sisters who are maligning islam/muslims here

johnydon22:
Isalm is sickening... how can planet earth get better with this kind of madness!!!

Punishments for Sexual Immorality

Which do you want?

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment. Qur'an 24:2

Or

Leviticus 20:10

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Now, don't come up with bogus excuse "that's old testament law". You are commanded to follow Law Moses. Don't quote me John 8:3-11

People no longer think. Nothing wrong with her getting married even at that age (as long as all necessities are met). As someone rightly said, what's wrong is not sending her to school.

This is not about Islam. It's about those people, region, country etc. A 13 yr old muslim lady living in the west, pregnant and may be going to school. May be in good condition. etc. Would you mention Islam in bad light if you see her(13 yr old pregnant muslim) in this great condition?. People think please.

Because of that, someone capitalizes and seeks opportunity to accuse islam while a lot is going on in her backyard. And there is nothing to read in arrogant posts. They are not beneficial. We are told in hadith of widespread ignorance in the Last Age which is exactly what she's doing. And I personally see no need talking to her anymore. We are branded liar if we answer her/them. So what is it to talk about. Sorry madam, you know who you are. Islam remains the truth religion even though kufar hate it. And that slowpoke needs to stop my mentioning. Sick man.

Rilwayne001:
Deuteronomy 31:25-29 [b] "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites (Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. [size=15pt] For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, [/size] and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days;because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. [/b]

1) The red part is not written by moses

2) The green part are the words of moses

3) The italize - We are told that moses has already written the book and ask them to put it at the side of the ark

4) @Underline moses is aware of how rebelion and stiffnecked they are during when he was alive and ask how much more will they be after his death.

5) He is aware that after is death they will become utterly corrupt to the extent that they will twist the book that was why he told them to put the book at the side of the ark and call heaven and earth to bear him witness.


NOW DID THEY TWIST THE BOOK OR NOT? DID THEY ADD THEIR OWN WORD OR NOT? WERE THEY CORRUPT OR NOT? THE RED PART and the entirety of the book call bible says it all.

This is detailed man but they won't listen. Love the underlines. I always get "underline" wrong anytime i try to highlight. How do you underline?

author=dolphinheart

Oga, no addition by tongue and words, the unscriptural additions in the translations are being, and have been removed.

But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
(Quran 5:13-14)

There enough evidence displayed already that your book is corrupted. It's not just translation. They practically removed original words and replaced them. Remove the mole from your eyes to see what we see

At least there was no abrogation of false truth.

No abrogation?. You kidding right?.

When one studies the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, it becomes clear that omnipotent and omniscient God did make mistakes and repented. This means that the God did not know his own actions and the outcomes of the actions. According to Bible... Now for some fine examples.

Now start with Old Testament. In the story of Noah(P), it is mention that:

And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground anymore for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more everything living, as I have done [Genesis 8:21]

And in the story of Moses(P), we read

And the LORD repented of the evil which he
thought to do unto his people [Exodus 32:14]

Oh no! that is Old Testament, cries the Christian. The New Testament has replaced all that. Yes, in the New Testament, the monotheistic and henotheistic God of Israel, Yahweh, suddenly starts to be interpreted as Trinity. So, the concept of monotheistic and henotheistic God itself got abrogated in the New Testament as the Christians allege! So we have to assume that the monotheistic and henotheistic God of Israel did not know that he was Trinity and made a serious mistake or he simply changed his mind or in the worst case scenario, he cheated the People of Israel.

Definition of abrogation: ab-ro-gate: v.tr. repeal, annul, abolish (a law or custom)

[b]In the context of the will and law of God (Holy is He above all that is attributed to Him) as expressed in Scripture, it refers to the nullification of an older Law or concept in favour of a newer and more appropriate one.

We might ask whether an omniscient God, if He is the one who sent Torah and Injeel, might employ such a concept as abrogation? Surely an all-knowing God would be able to impart His will in entirety without recourse to change? Doesn't the idea of abrogating, or nullifying, a previous law in light of a better one suggest that the Author is not all-knowing?

What these questions don't take into account, is that whilst God is all-knowing, unchanging (e.g., Malachi 3:6, with lots of problems with the concept of Trinity), His audience, humanity, is not. The very concept that Christianity holds so dear, of the difference between the old covenantal relationship of law, as opposed to the new covenantal relationship of grace relies on the understanding that human beings as individuals and in human societies are in fact subjected to change in condition.[/b]

According to Matthew, Jesus(P) said:

" Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven " [Matthew 5:17-19]

And surprising, Jesus(P), the omniscient Yahweh incarnate (allegedly!) suddenly had to change the,

* Laws of Divorce
* Justice
* Oaths
* Changing his own mind

Abrogation Of Divorce

In the Old Testament we find the following law concerning divorce:

" If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man " [Deutronomy 24:1-2]

Now without going into the minute of this particular law of divorce, one thing becomes immediately clear. Not only is divorce permitted by God, it is legal for her to remarry.

However in the time of Jesus(P), the rules of divorce seem to have taken a U-turn.

"It has been said, Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery" [Matthew 5:31-32]

Here Jesus(P) abrogated the former permission to divorce according to the husband's displeasure and strictly allowed it under one condition - adultery. He even went so far as to legislate that divorcees were not permitted to remarry, clearly abrogating the former permission. But what is the reason given for this abrogation? Had God changed His mind? Is this evidence of God not being omniscient? Or more importantly, is this evidence that in fact God was never the author of these laws? Well Jesus(P) himself explains:

"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery " [Matthew 19:7-9]
Anyway, Jesus(P) points to the fact that God designs laws that are suitable to the needs and exigencies of the time and audience.

Haba! adultery for marrying divorced woman?. Let me give you another one.

I got more and i can go on and on like Law of Oaths, Law of Absolute Justice etc

U have numerous questions u guys have not answered and u are jumping to this one

kindly. I am not aware of them. However when you people asked and we answered you said we lied. In that case, answers seized. Rilwayne provided nice details up there and tola as well.

MzNelly:
These verses you mentioned were actually additions made by later copyists and were NEVER part of the inspired scriptues. None of these verses were included in the original manuscripts. Therefore, those false texts were not included in our Bible and in some other Bibles.

dorox:
Those verses are also missing in the Revised Standard Version, New International Version and many other modern trastions that relied on the same manuscript as the JW New World Translation

@bold suggests that islam was right all along when it says:

"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah . And they speak untruth about Allah while they know." Qur'an 3:78

So when muslims say Bible is corrupted they say the truth. You exposed Christianity here big time. Book of God should be one. That's. There should be no addition or omission. That book (Bible) is hell of culprit. And we have a lady here pointing finger and accusing islam.

The Hadith (sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad in Islam) as well point out to Biblical Corruption. Consider these hadith:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah's Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us." (2.136) (Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 12)

Rilwayne001, tola9ja, true2god...see how they exposed themselves.

The Gold Dinar, Islam & The Future of Money- Sheikh Imran Hosein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8RSsx8QCww

platypelloid

I bought half a plot for 300k.with half down payment and instant allocation of 50 by 50ft.half a plot inside an estate which is 30 seconds I mean 30 seconds and not minutes away from my Land is 2 million per plot.by my calculation,half a plot will be 1 million naira inside this estate.

Oh woow! for that cheap price near multimillion # plot of land?. You sure "omonile" was the right legal seller of the land?. I hope you got authentic documentation filed with govt. This is fantastic.

I bought it from atypical omo onile whom I used 15 weeks to find info about him ,his work experience ,people he that bought from him ,the bar around the area ,the churches ,the shops ,all of them say thesame thing about this man as being a geuniune and trustworyhy man.

I hope is the right channel.

this same man has gone to deliver 20 blocks on my land today for my corner piece of which I'm gonna pay him tomorrow.

Bless your hustle brother.

thanks to almighty that I took this life changing step.

Hope others can think like you.

@emipre,thanks and I'll keep u posted as all goes.

You are welcome

speechless

Op, what's happening is they are simply jealous. They are devoid of insight. Good observation