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Islam › Re: Gatiano A Muslim Scholar, Said " The Hadith Is Corrupt And Invalid" by Empiree:
[quote author=gatiano post=30923357]
Elijah Muhammad knew the entire truth of Muhammad including the Africa Elders. Conturary to popular belief, Muhammad never carried a weapon, Thus You will find that NOI never carry a sort of weapon.
Actually in the 60s they did at some point. shocked

In order to understand hadith, you must know who Musaylimat is. do you know this white arab man? This was who the entire world confuse for Muhammad. the hadith is that of musaylimat a fake muhammad (white arab people). He may have mixed some deeds of Muhammad with his delusion.
Actually, musaylima was simply false. He's nonexistence so no point talking about him. I dont think muslims mixed him up with Rosulllah (peace be upon him)

Thus, in order to read such book as hadith, one must understand The Quran perfectly, so that it can be a guide for one thru the Quran.
Mashallah bro. I understand some muslims today give preference of hadith over Quran. This is wrong. In order to delve in any Islamic subject, Quran must first be exploited not hadith. I have said this several times. This is not aqeeda issue really. It's methodology. For instance, one notices that those muslims who love call shia kufar usually start with hadith to refute shia and also end with hadith. This is wrong. But if we use Quran, we realize that we ("SUSHI"wink i:e sunni/shia are muslims. Therefore UNITY. Get my point?. But some chose to use hadith to divide. I dislike that. Quran is superior (Imran 103). See My Signature

Yes! Quran is the best book ever, the most balanced of all books, It was made perfect in understanding with the teachings of Elijah Muhammad.
Mashallah bro... @bold though, you seem to be mixing up Prophet Muhammad of Arabia (570-632) with Elijah Muhammad ( (born Elijah Robert Poole; October 7, 1897 – February 25, 1975) was an African-American religious leader, who led the Nation of Islam (NOI) from 1934 until his death in 1975. His teaching was heavily American based not universally accepted. Quran wasn't revealed to him. Hope you get this?.

i was born into the christian house. I read Quran, and i discovered my real self who is a Muslim.
Mashallah bro...how did you come about Islam?. Do you practice "Nation Of Islam" base in US or Islam revealed to Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (sallahu Aliy wasalam)?

The black devil is 7 times wicked and filthier than the devils. Every evil the blackman does, he learns from the whiteman, and he tends to go down in that filth and evil 7 times more than his teachers. cultism in our universities are learnt from the gang systems of the black americans, which inturn is learnt from the white ganagsters (this is just one of the many examples). hollywood goes naked, our girls are doing the same on a more worst level. Our politicians learnt of the swiss bank acct from the whiteman, now the swissbank is the house of the african leaders now.
Again, you cracked my ribs here. I dont object to every single word you said here. So so true brother.

I'm married with a white woman and i have a half-caste son. it is very difficult for me to hate. when i do hate a person, that person will never have a chance at life. Everyman is given a chance and time to change from their evil and filthy ways.
Mashallah, God bless your hustle. How's your son doing. You live in EU?


The blackman is trapped into that devilish created organisation called christianity, and they must be brought out from their ignorance into light even if they want to be a christian. instead of them(blacks) being just a christian, they better be crystallized into the oneness of the lessons of Jesus, So Louis Farrakhan is doing the right thing. The purpose is to save all the black people not leave one and possibly some non-blacks that can do away with their ego.
I dont think Nigerian christian realized Christianity is devilish religion. So sad. Anyways, while i respect Mr Farrakhan that much, I think he needs proper understanding of Islam and then proceeds to reform the organization. This is problem now. Their creed so far is just like Christianity. They believe God came down (auzubillah) in form of Fard Muhammad (an Arabian man) and "revealed" Quran (same Quran) to Elijah Poole (Muhammad). This is shirk of Christianity. What do you think?.

Do you know Prophet Muhammad's Shaaba? what happened to them?
Of-course, plenty of them but first four are considered famous and righteous in sunni orthodoxy. What do you mean what happened to them?...as in their histories till death?. We have that documented. I am sure you have access to them.


SideTalk, how do you come about your username?. It sounds Italian or Spanish. Your wife is "spanishwhite"?
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree:
Where are tbaba1234, lanrexlan and albaqir ?. Looks like these brothers are on vacation. Anyways, enjoy your vac
Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 2:11am On Feb 21, 2015
^ Amin
Crime › Re: Muslim Cleric, Alfa Kills His Friend, Shares His Body Parts For Rituals by Empiree: 1:35am On Feb 21, 2015
hormordunneey:
Seriously, sm pple can b so annoying. Why shoutin Islam! Y nt condemn his act as humanbeing!
I hardly see a criminal case dt involve a christian andd pple start shoutin Christianity!
Its well with yu oooooo
Thats life. Folks no longer think. Hadn't been incidents of crimes including murder cases involving pastors. These people are really funny. It's better to ignore them. Few days ago it was Reverend or so caught with drugs. Some folks came up with bogus excuses to bail out Christianity from his acts which i have no problem with by the way cus i know Rev is responsible for his actions NOT his religion. Right now on front page there is another murder case...folks can care less what their religion is. World is knot.
Properties › Re: How We Built The "Luxury Block Of Flats" In Enugu by Empiree: 10:33pm On Feb 20, 2015
This na tenants and investment property. Abeg make una paint am "light green" for exterior, tan for interior. I'm I communicating grin huh
Politics › Re: Is This Really Gen. Buhari In London? (photo) by Empiree:
Well, in my humble opinion, looking at this picture from his nerve to his head resembles the GENERAL.

But looking from the same nerve to his toes, he resembles a field nigga from downtown Manhattan. grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree: 3:28pm On Feb 20, 2015
AllNaijaBlogger:
That was a debate! I am guessing that was during a time where the religion section was one and certain people didn't have a cave to shield their beliefs.


Viaro is my new hero.


#retro nairaland
Lol, sometimes, you sound terribly sly. You pretend like you dont give a damn about religion altogether not even Christianity. Another time you revealed your true self. Well, I don't have problem with viaro's defense of the Bible at all. As a matter of fact i commend his fantastic contributions. What i have problem with is some folks make spurious allegation that Quran says Earth is flat when it doesnt say that.
Politics › Re: 615 Terrorist killed In Both Air And Ground Attacks In Sambista Forest - Pic by Empiree:
deebee13:
OMG!!! This is good news if it's true o!
GEJ is working... beefers are beefing grin


Another first to comment. Today is good!
smiley
I believe crimes are being committed here. Not only crimes but human rights violations.

Within 2 wks now, I have heard of large number of BH been killed.

The first I heard last wk was 600bh are killed.

Few days ago it's another 300+bh are killed and now 615bh are killed.

If govt truly killed "bh" considering these large numbers, bh should be history. I don't believe this.

This looks like deliberate attempt to wipe off region from map if you ask me.

With these large numbers their leader wasn't there....not even by accident?.

You dont even ask yourself why is it so difficult to figure their sponsors?

We have a lot to account for before baba God
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by Empiree: 2:27pm On Feb 20, 2015
Superego:
The Earth is Egg Shaped: NASA Validates Quran, Ancient Scripture

https://againstscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/earh-egg-shaped.jpg

Modern science has discovered and to some, confirmed that the earth is egg shaped. Other synonyms for its unique shape are, ovoid, pear shaped or piriform.

On the NASA government website we see this description:
Exactly how round is the Earth?

The shape of the Geode, as it is called, is nearly a perfect sphere, but because the earth is spinning, it is about 21.5 kilometers flatter at the poles, and bulged-out at the equator by about the same amount. There are also other ‘higher-order’ shape deviations which make the Earth slightly pear- shaped with a larger southern hemisphere surface area than in the northern hemisphere, but at a level of a kilometer or so in radial girth. The biggest effect, though, is its polar flattening. If you had a basketball to represent the Earth’s spherical average shape, the flattening would be 21/6500 = about 1/300 the radius of the basketball or 1/32 of an inch…give or take. From NASA: http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/a11818.html

The Muslim holy book, the Quran, stated this explicitly 1400 years ago:

Chapter/Sura 79:30, that is Sura Naziyat Aya 30 reads in Arabic ” WAL ARDS BAID ZALIKA DOHAHA”.

Ostrich egg

Now I will write word by word meaning of this Aya

WAL means AND

ARDA means EARTH

BAID means AFTER

ZALIKA means THAT

DOHAHA MEANS EGG SHAPED THING

Now see the English translation of the Sura 79:30 “And the earth , moreover, hath he extended in egg shape.”

The origin of the verb, “Dohaha,” is found in the word (Ud-hiya), which means “egg of ostrich” -wikipedia
Geodesy(Study of the shape of earth)

It is important to note that over time, people and science have had varying views of the shape of the earth. These have ranged from flat, to round, to spherical, to oval, to oblate spheroid or ellipsoid. Needless to say, many have been entangled in the web of wrong descriptions. However not surprisingly some spiritual books had the peculiar shape dead right from the start.

It is important at this point to differentiate spherical, from ellipsoid/oblate spherical and then from egg shaped or pear shaped ovoid.

It was actually way back in 1958 that U.S. satellite Vanguard 1 discovered the Earth’s pear shape.

earh-egg-shaped

“By the 16th century people were convinced that the Greeks were nuts and the Earth was actually an oblate spheroid, or an ellipsoid. The French didn’t agree. They went one better. They suspected the earth was an egg (again?) and in 1736 the French Academy of Sciences sent two expeditions, one to Lapland and one to Ecuador, to settle the question of the Earth’s shape once and for all. Their findings were close, but not exactly conclusive.

We now know from the latest scientific evidence and NASA’s satellite data that the Earth is indeed an ovoid, give or take a few bumps. So back to the egg. After all those years and a few billion dollars down the gurgler we have discovered what the ancients already knew 6000 years ago.

The Earth is slightly flattened at the poles. Its equatorial diameter is 45 km (28 miles) longer than its polar diameter. But wait, that’s not all. As well as being generally ovoid, the Earth also has a vertical pear-shaped asymmetry, the north pole being 48 m (148 ft) further from the equatorial plane than the south pole.” The “pointy end of the egg “, so to speak, is at about 37° west longitude (400 km off the eastern tip of Brazil) where the equator’s longer axis is 159 m (522 ft) greater than its short axis. The “fat” end is just north of east Papua New Guinea. Source

lead.org.au

The earth is actually more egg than pear shaped. This is because a pear has concavities, while an egg does not. The earth does not have concavities.

More resources that describe the pear or egg shaped earth as it is now known:

http://ntrs.larc.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19660028058&qs=N%3D4294928546

http://www.josleys.com/htmlgalleries/globe/Piriforme3.JPG

http://mostodd./2011/06/13/144-gone-pear-shaped/

http://www.finedictionary.com/pear-shaped.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth

http://www.1worldglobes.com/globe-teach-planet-earth.htm

—

Interestingly, NASA also describes the moon as egg shaped:

http://lro.gsfc.nasa.gov/moonfacts.html
+ The moon is not round, but egg shaped with the large end pointed towards earth.

The Muslim Quran further describes the earth spread out like a carpet. This is said to describe the the tectonic plates, above the magma. These plates are like a carpet on which people walk and travel.

Quran 71:19 “‘And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out), 20 “‘That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads.’”

It is arguably beneficial for scriptural folk to hold on firmly to their beliefs, as after a merry go round, science usually gets to the point they were at. This is just one more example where science has come back to the point where the Muslim Quran was at.

It is arguably beneficial for scriptural folk to hold on firmly to their beliefs, as after a merry go round, science usually gets to the point they were at. This is just one more example where science has come back to the point where the Muslim Quran was at.

Source: http://againstscience.com/2013/06/21/the-earth-is-egg-shaped-nasa-validates-quran-ancient-scripture/#more-321

Read more: http://newsrescue.com/the-earth-is-egg-shaped-nasa-validates-quran-ancient-scripture/#ixzz2Wvw8fdK4
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by Empiree: 2:27pm On Feb 20, 2015
I dey enjoy this nau. These kufar think Qur'an says earth is flat without proper understanding of the verses.
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree: 1:48pm On Feb 20, 2015
AllNaijaBlogger:
lol......every site is anti-islam. I know. Thanks
You are not serious. Is this thread about islam at all?. Did u even care who tried to derail this thread ? Na u sabi
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree: 12:04pm On Feb 20, 2015
AllNaijaBlogger:
The interesting thing here is that it was a fellow muslim of yours that pointed me to these links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_and_religion#Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

It seems that you don't really know much about the history of your religion. Peace.
Smh....wikipedia...i knew you have ulterior motives from the beginning. thanks but no thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree:
AllNaijaBlogger:
Secondly, I don't relate too well with some of the fanatics you mention. I feel you should be smarter
Then take your time to relate with them cus i dont know why you even questioning me about them.

And whatever Arab slave masters did in Africa was clearly not as terrible as White Christians did. Arabs' attempts on Africa was strictly restricted to N. Africa and maybe Eastern EU. Unlike Christianity, that's complete slavery and colonization of not only countries but continents: Middle East, Africa, Asia and Caribbean and even South America. So basically the whole world. That's Christianity for you.

Besides, Islam itself forbids people from taking slaves or people against their will. Islam does recognized Arabs involved in slavery but gradually abolished it until revelation of Qur'an was complete. Now that Qur'an is complete and prophet delivered the message and passed it's forbidden for anyone to own slaves Any muslim who does that in modern time does it at his own mischief
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree:
[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=30902335]
To be fair, islam had a more negative history with slavery in Africa.
Don't let African Americans hear this. You will be laughed at

We should be careful in pointing fingers at religions. Christianity, islam and Judaism have had people do wrong in the name of religion.
Tell this to your girl friend, ifean

I am of the opinion that we theists (christians and muslims) should avoid religion bashing threads like these. Little good comes out of it.
Again, this is for her and chiedu7. Did i start pointing fingers at Christianity here?. Do yourself a favor go through this thread and see for yourself. Oh wait o, i didn't see you condemned them for nuisance they constitute on NL. You only viewed and commot.

Look at my profile, is there any anti-Christianity thread there?. Compare mine to those fanatics see who breed hatreds
Health › Re: Taking Care Of Your Kidney. by Empiree: 5:02am On Feb 20, 2015
Here They Talk About Health Issues From Islamic Point Of View. How Our Water Is Polluted, Our Food Are Genetically Modified, Milk And Beef Or Red Beef Are Modified. Spread Of Diseases And How It Affects Our Heart and Kidneys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU2i90Texvg
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree: 4:48am On Feb 20, 2015
Ifeann:
I am not American. .. i am not a racist, i am christain. . My roots are proudly African.
Ifeann:
I was under the impression u are African and the white folks came for u Africans with the gospel and their education.. what's the confusion. . Perhaps i should have said "africans" i only added "u" to emphasize u were liberated as well with other Africans. ..
Liekiller:
aaah now your true colours are shining through. Another American racist don show ooo
U dey mind her grin . She's full of deceptions. She's "maradona" from Finland Abakaliki grin

Liekiller:
I would expect you to say WE Africans if you actually are one. Apart from that your statement is just disgusting. Obviously you are not aware of the devastating consequences colonialism (of which forcing Christianity on Africa was a major part) had on the continent huh
That's it. She's been twisting Bible all weeks that it has nothing to do with slavery. Now she said we dont live in perfect world. That's, she's agreeing that christianity has everything to do with slavery.
Liekiller: The root of Africa's undervelopment today IS colonialism.
http://www.politicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/10/Colonizing-African-Values.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/24/evangelical-christians-homophobia-africa

http://www.publiceye.org/publications/globalizing-the-culture-wars/pdf/africa-full-report.pdf

That's it. I came across one of these a yr ago, too. Problem i have with her is denying links btw Christianity and worldwide slavery still hunting us today. Well, I am not here to bash Christianity nor do i hate it. Only when fanatics attack my religion they see my other side.
Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian by Empiree:
Ifeann:
[s]Chiedu7 u are right. . Mohammed thought the earth was flat. .u can Google for the hadiths that show this error in thinking by the prophet. .this is why Muslims are commanded to face the kabba in mecca during prayer so as not to point their butt.s to it. . However the joke is on Muslims because the earth is spherical hence their butt.s are pointed to it regardless..[/s]
Question
I heard that Ibn Taymiyah made statements to the effect that the Earth is round. Doesn’t the Qur’ân indicate in many places that the Earth is flat, as mentioned by Ibn Kathîr, since it describes the Earth with the words sutihat and muddat? I am referring especially to Sûrah al-Ghâshiyah, verse 20 and Sûrah al-Ra`d, verse 3. What was Ibn Taymiyah’s reason back then for believing the Earth is round? Where was his proof from the Qur’ân and Sunnah? Back then, there could be no other proof, since the shape of the Earth would have been a matter of the Unseen. The Earth was not fully explored back then and no one could have seen it from space.

Answer:

The term “sutihat” has many shades of meaning that are all quite literal, among them: “to be spread out, leveled, made smooth, unrolled, flattened”.

The term “madda” simply means to extend or stretch.

We must believe that the Earth has been extended and spread out. This is what Allah says. However, we are not obliged to know how Allah has done so unless he specifically informs us of this. We are likewise not accountable to know the exact nature of this spreading out and extension. We should leave knowledge of that to Allah. It would definitely be wrong for us to think that Allah cannot spread out and extend a spherical surface however He sees fit. Allah does whatever He pleases.

You should be able to see quite clearly from the above discussion that Allah does not say anywhere in the Qur’ân that the Earth is flat. This is just one way of understanding these verses. Some people have merely inferred the flatness of the Earth from these verses. Therefore, it is just their opinion that the Earth is flat. Our opinions can be right or wrong. We are obliged to believe everything that the Qur’ân says. However, we are not obliged to believe someone’s mere opinion about what it means.

Here is what Ibn Kathîr says about Sûrah al-Ghâshiyah, verse 20:
“And at the earth, how it is outspread” …meaning, how it has been spread out (busitat), extended (muddat) and made smooth (muhhidat). Thus, He directs the Bedouin to consider what he himself witnesses. His camel that he rides upon, the sky that is above his head, the mountain that faces him, and the earth that is under him, all of this is proof of the power of the Creator and Maker of these things. These things should lead him to see that He is the Lord, the Most Great, the Creator, the Owner, and the Controller of everything. Therefore, He is the God other than Whom none deserves to be worshipped.

Nowhere does Ibn Kathir discuss the physical nature of the Earth in his commentary of this verse. He makes it clear that Allah is not doing so either. He says that Allah “directs the Bedouin to consider what he himself witnesses”. There is no geology or biology lesson going on here. Allah is merely instructing us to look at what we see before us. He is not describing to us how He created the camel or the Earth. He is just telling us to look at these matters and ponder them.

With respect to Sûrah al-Ra`d, verse 3, Ibn Kathîr says:

“And it is He Who spread out (madda) the Earth” …made it spacious in length and width (ja`alahâ muttasa`ah mumtaddah fî al-tûl wa al-`ard). Allah has placed on the earth firm mountains and made rivers, springs and water streams run through it, so that the various kinds of fruits and plants of every color, shape, taste and scent are watered with this water.

Again, no mention is made that the Earth is flat. He merely understands from the term “madda” that Allah has made the Earth spacious for us. This is, indeed, all that we can honestly understand from this verse without our delving into unnecessary speculation and interpretation.

Even if Ibn Kathîr did hold the view that the Earth was flat, that world merely have been his opinion, since it is not directly stated by Allah anywhere in the Qur’ân. It would not mean that Muslims are obliged to believe the flatness of the Earth as an article of their faith. However, Ibn Kathîr does not mention anything about the Earth being flat in his commentary on these two verses, since he did not see these two verses as indicating the flatness of the Earth.

As for your request for Ibn Taymiyah’s statements on the shape of the Earth, he states quite clearly in a number of places that it is round.

For instance, he writes: “Know that there is agreement that the Earth is spherical of shape and water covers most of it.” [Majmû` al-Fatâwâ (5/150). See also: Majmû` al-Fatâwâ (6/546-567)]

Please keep in mind that even if Ibn Taymiyah had thought that the Earth was flat, that would just have been his opinion on the matter. We would not be obliged to agree with him. We are only obliged to believe what is clearly stated in the Qur’ân and Sunnah.

Ibn Taymiyah is merely mentioning the scientific knowledge of his day. He is not making a statement of religious beliefs nor is he discussing the Unseen. The shape of the Earth was determined then as it is now – by human observation.

(However, Ibn Taymiyah argues that the celestial orbits are round on the authority of the Qur’ân, Sunnah, and `Ijmâ`. [See: Majmû` al-Fatâwâ (5/150)])

In fact, Ibn Taymiyah makes a clear mistake when he says: “As for the other side of the Earth, it is completely covered by ocean, so there are no humans and the like over there.” [Majmû` al-Fatâwâ (6/565)] However, he is not quoting this from the Qur’ân and Sunnah. He is again merely stating what was believed at the time in which he lived. People knew that the world was round. However, they did not know about the Americas, Australia, or Antarctica. They only knew about Eurasia and Africa. They just assumed that the rest of the world was one great ocean.

This is not a problem in his religion, since belief in the existence of the Americas is no more a tenet of our faith than is our belief about the shape of the Earth. It is merely a question of geography. It has no bearing on faith whatsoever.

It would be fair to ask why Ibn Taymiyah, who was clearly concerned with religious matters and not scientific ones, would care to discuss the shape of the Earth at all? The answer is that in these passages that we quoted to you, Ibn Taymiyah is concerned with something that is indeed a matter of faith. He is arguing with people who claim that Allah’s throne cannot be above the Earth since the Earth is round. His purpose is to refute them by demonstrating that Allah’s throne can indeed be above the Earth even though the Earth is undoubtedly round.

You also ask how people back then knew that the Earth was round when they had not explored all of the Earth, never traveled around it, and never departed from its surface.

There were many ways they came to know this. The most obvious of these is the existence of a horizon. Things do not just appear smaller and smaller as they stretch off endlessly in the distance. This is what we would see if the Earth was flat, and it would be a strange sight to us indeed. What we actually see is that things suddenly disappear at the horizon. When we are standing on a flat plain, the horizon is crisp and clean in all directions. The reason for this is that the horizon is the place where the curve of the Earth dips below our line of sight.

Moreover, the top of a distant tall mountain might be seen peeking out from just beyond the horizon. As we approach it, we can see lower and lower down the mountainside. If the Earth was flat, we would see the entire mountain from the base to the summit getting larger and larger as we approach it. However, we see the summit first. A sailor approaching a mountainous coast sees this phenomenon most clearly. He first sees the mountaintops, then as he approaches the coast, he can see lower down the mountains.

People also observed that the angle of a shadow at the same time of day from different cities was different. The reason for this is that the rays of the Sun are hitting the Earth at different angles because the Earth’s surface is curved. From this observation, ancient people not only realized that the Earth was round, but they were actually able to calculate the size of the Earth with surprising accuracy.

Ancient people also noticed that during a lunar eclipse – which occurs when Earth is directly between the Sun and the Moon – the shadow of the Earth on the Moon is circular. They realized from this observation that the Earth was a sphere, since only a sphere could cast such a circular shadow.

Therefore, the shape of the Earth was a well-known observable fact since ancient times. It was not a matter of the Unseen.

This refutes your nonsense allegation against prophet of Islam. Quran NEVER said Earth is flat. Now turn your attention @ op and leave muslims alone in this thread.
Islam › Re: Gatiano A Muslim Scholar, Said " The Hadith Is Corrupt And Invalid" by Empiree: 3:28am On Feb 20, 2015
[quote author=gatiano post=30850990]
It is only a very foolish and an extremely scared blackman and/or a blackwoman that would claim that "we're all one", "don't we have the same red blood?" etc; NO! We are not one, and we are not of the same blood.
I admire your comment up there. Some people and especially blacks now believe human are the same. Not @all. Like I was discussing on other thread about child marriage, the brother doens't get me right. He thinks all humans are homogeneous. It's White people who are trying to carbonize others of themselves.

However, for now, The hadith is an indirect speech of a book. None from Muhammad followers were there to tell a story. It is like adding the sermons of Oyedepo, Adeboye, Joshua to the bible; which the catholics have already done too. catholics have their own version of a hadith.
Yes, truth. Hadith is manipulated just like Bible. Every Tom, Dick and Harry wrote whatever they wanted and attributed it to the prophet and especially some ridiculous things that are quiet unfounded which extremists from the two major religions capitalize on. However, the reason for the delay of hadith in the beginning was to allow completion of Quran revelation to avoid mix up. Thats why early scholars tried their best to categorize these ahadith. You know the categories, dont you?. I believe in hadith. They are essential part of Islam. It's practical like our obligatory duties. Companions actually witnessed how prophet (saw) prayed, fast, hajj and so on. However, other than obligatory duties inspired in the hadith, hadith is not always necessary. Quran explains all things. Hadith only supports at length. I believe hadith now extremely deluded due to modern gadgetry. Evil folks are able to edit text. This was not possible when it was hard-copy. I dont worry myself about spurious hadith though.

Yet; "thy shall not add or remove from the word of GOD". didn't the Quran tell about the jews and the christians adding unto the book and removing from them? We not the muslims warned not to do the same? they were warned. But like every white skin person, they will always do opposite to what GOD tells them. There is no good in them. so if we should accept the hadith, we might as well allow oyedepo's and co sermons into the bible. hadith=sermon.
Thanks Allah for protecting Quran. He knew men would try to tamper with it. We can see clearly what they did to hadith. You can see that clear confusion with Christianity where some christians believe Jesus is God and some dont. But those who dont also believe he's son of God while some believe he's both. Holy Book should give straight answer who God is. We see clear answer in the Quran who is God (sura 112)....different from His prophets. So Quran remains mother of all Books (umm li kitab). Agree with me?

You sound like you so familiar with NOI headed by Louis Farrakhan. I hope you understand that they are not muslims even though they claim they are?. No offence intended but I had closer look at their creed some yrs back. It's very close to Christianity. So far, you appear to share same historical view with them but I dont know about your religious view. Theirs is phony. But having visited their local mosque in NYC few yrs back, the people pray exactly like mainstream. I understand they underwent reformation under Elijah Muhammad's son who defied his father's creed before he passed. You probably have a book titled "Message To Black Man" by Elijah Muhammad grin

You cracked my rib late last yr with a comment you made on other thread. Remember ?. You said:

the black devil is seven times more wicked than the devil himself,
grin You also said on that thread that you married a white woman after a comment you perceived hate against white. Were you just being wisecrack or genuine?
Politics › Re: Obasanjo, Jonathan’ll Resolve Their Differences – Yoruba Obas by Empiree: 1:30am On Feb 20, 2015
Islam › Re: Gatiano A Muslim Scholar, Said " The Hadith Is Corrupt And Invalid" by Empiree: 9:59pm On Feb 19, 2015
9jaforlife:
michaelwestern please don't mind Ifeann. She only likes to insult but doesn't like to be insulted. How can many people insult her like she claims, if she hadn't started it? This is a person who has asked me if I was crazy because I expressed my opinion! Sorry Ifeann, what comes around goes around.
You will soon realized michael is just their kind. But i will allow you to give him benefit of the doubt.
Properties › Re: How We Built The "Luxury Block Of Flats" In Enugu by Empiree: 9:35pm On Feb 19, 2015
Oga spyder, is this house painted already?. I see green color but im not talking about that
Properties › Re: Building A Block Of 8 Flats Of 2 Bedrooms In Enugu. by Empiree: 9:12pm On Feb 19, 2015
I dont think i followed this thread from the beginning. This house looks nice man
Business › Re: Exchange Rate Of Naira As At 16th February by Empiree: 7:28pm On Feb 19, 2015
zemaye:
No kidding my friend was charged 211 by gtb
that's just too bad
Health › Re: * by Empiree: 7:27pm On Feb 19, 2015
michaelwestern:
Are you a doctor or a psychologist? even a certified psychologist cant just write off depression and proffer immediate solution. Different types of depression have different types of cures. depression is not a light issue you just wave off, its one of the leading causes of suicide. The most reasonable thing is to ask him to see a doctor or most importantly a psychologist, which is what ifeann recommended. So why are you calling her a lunatic?
sir, kindly stop talking to me cuz you don't seem to have idea of incidents here. Thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Son Of Man ? {let The Bible Speak} by Empiree:
SNCOQ3:
From the above, its clear that its not a question of you having the time to debate the Trinity; but whether you possess the sanity for a sound and well-structured debate.

When there is sufficient evidence that you have your mind together, then I can consider debating the truthfulness of the Trinity with you.
take your sermons to your fellow christian extremists on NL. Stop pretending as if you dont see how your fellow christians insult muslims. Are you not there backing them up but you see nothing wrong with the way they talk. So it's reciprocal. Now you complaining?. When i see sense of honest debate in you i will return here but for now...you are a joke 3gods worshiper

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