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petikal:
That's cheap man; just 4mil/yr at full capacity, and one still has to factor in maintenance costs.

How much do you figure it'll cost in total to complete the property?

Na, i beg to disagree with you. Price may increase later. That's called business strategy

Liekiller:
By "you" I meant everybody involved Do complete your replies by all means and have a very good night!

Okay, got you. No problem. Have a sweet night.

Liekiller:
1) [s]I think that you have hijacked this thread with preaching and attempts to shove your belief down people's throat[/s], and I'm not too happy about it

Humm, not at all. if you paid close attention, you could've seen these christian fellas actually hijacked your thread by constantly trying to paint Islam for "inventing" slavery. Okay, I wont go any further from here for the purpose of this thread. I will just complete my replies and fold my arms. Fair enough?.

The slavery system which had plagued the whole world upon the advent of Islam. Any attempt to suddenly prevent such a deep-rooted system from various societies would then have caused the social, political, as well as economic life to have been vehemently shaken.

Consequently, the divine wisdom was to work towards restricting the sources of slavery or blocking the avenues leading to enslavement whenever possible. In the same vein, as Islam restricted the streams feeding slavery, it expanded its drains in a way that can be understood as a gradual act of cancelling.

Let us take a look at how some western powers attempted to stop slavery and the outcome of their attempt through comparing these attempts to what has been really achieved by Islam.

Before doing this, one has to learn what is meant by slavery.



Slavery defined

Linguistically: Slavery denotes various meanings of powerlessness and degradation.

Technically: Slavery stands for falling short of assuming authorities shouldered by man such as rulership, judgeship, bearing witness, and ownership. This is because a slave is a person who is owned by another.[1] Consequently, how can one be responsible for others while s/he lacks the authority over his own self.

In today’s world, slavery is prohibited and banned according to international conventions such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as can be seen in Article 4 which reads,

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

History of slavery

Reviewing the history of humankind with slavery starting with the Hunting Age, then the Pasturing Age, then the Cultivation Age, it becomes evident that slavery was an ongoing phenomenon throughout history. It becomes also clear that slavery was deep-rooted as a human conduct.

Afterwards, both the Torah and the Gospel endorsed slavery and the texts confirming this are beyond counting in a way that lies beyond the scope of this article. However, one can briefly cite that the Jews deem themselves as the Chosen People of Allah and that was the very reason behind their act of enslaving the non-Jewish other either by means of buying or taking prisoners of war. This, indeed, refutes the Orientalists’ allegations that Islam founded the institution of slavery and strengthened its foundations.

Slavery is as old as injustice, despotism, caste system, and exploitation throughout human history. The Qur’an referred to this in the Surah of Prophet Yusuf (peace be upon him) as follows:

{Now, there came a caravan, and they sent forth their water-scout. So he let down his bucket into the well. He said: Oh, glad tidings! Here is a boy! And they hid him as merchandise. Yet God was all-aware of all that they were doing.

Thus they sold him for a paltry price, a number of coins; for they were disinclined toward him.

The man from Egypt who bought him said to his wife: Tend graciously to his dwelling.} (Yusuf 12:19-21)

In addition, enslaving people was one of the penalties for theft at the time of ancient Hebrews. When Prophet Yusuf’s brothers were asked about the penalty for a thief who might have stolen the king’s goblet, they replied,

{…The recompense for it shall be that the one in whose pack it is found – he himself shall be its recompense. Thus do we recompense the wrongdoers for stealing, in our religion.}(Yusuf 12:75)

In ancient civilizations, slavery was regarded as the mainstay of the production and exploitation system. In the Ancient Egyptian civilization as well as the Persian civilization the closed caste system prevented the emancipation of slaves no matter what the will or potentials of the slaves were.

In the Byzantine civilization, the masters were from among the Roman minority, while the barbarians enslaved by the Romans constituted the majority. Some of these civilizations witnessed a number of revolutions by slaves; foremost among which were that of Spartacus (d. BC 71). He was a Thracian gladiator who led a slave revolt in Italy (BC 73-71). He defeated Roman armies in southern Italy, but his forces were crushed at Lucania, where he was killed and many of his troops were crucified.

Emancipation of slaves in the modern age

When Europeans intended to abolish slavery and illegalize slaves trade in the 19th century, their motives were neither spiritual, nor humane, nor ethical. On the contrary, they were mainly materialistic as the Capitalistic system of Europe deemed the emancipation of slaves as a way towards turning them into more skillful workers who might better serve the capitalistic system goals. Slaves became – according to economic feasibility criteria – a liability and a burden on the capital surplus which was adorned by the materialistic system of that time.

Now, let us take a closer look at a real example of the attempts made by the west more than a thousand years following the advent of Islam; namely, the American experience. Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), the 16th President of the United States (1861-1865), who led the Union during the Civil War, emancipated slaves in the South in 1863.[3]

Unfortunately, Lincoln forgot that freedom should be “taken”, not “bestowed”. Indeed, slaves cannot be emancipated by means of a governmental decree or a legislative law. Let us take a look at that experience through three points to be elaborated below:

Freeing the slaves externally: All what Lincoln did was to free the slaves externally without attempting first to dissolve the differences between various casts of the society. He failed to create a humane ethical system that might raise the value of the slave and normalize his relationship with the so-called master before attempting to emancipate him.

Overlooking the nature of slaves: The slaves freed by Lincoln – externally – via legislation, could not bear up with the “bestowed” freedom so that they pleaded for their masters to take them back as slaves as they were in the near past. This is because those slaves were not emancipated internally or from within.

In addition, the caste differences, racism and the inferiority look from the whites to the blacks were still there. All these drove the slaves not to think of their own freedom and dignity, but of going back to their previous humiliating conditions. Psychologically speaking, this is normal and well expected. As life is habit and the conditions in which one lives determine his emotions and shape his feelings and the whole psychological system.

Truly, the psychological nature of a slave differs from that of a free person. This is not because a slave is regarded as a different race as was thought by some in old times; rather, it is because living in the shade of slavery causes the slave’s psychological systems to adapt to the accompanying conditions. As this causes his obedience system to develop to its utmost while the responsibility and shouldering consequences systems to wear away in a remarkable manner.

Overlooking the nature of society and surrounding conditions: Lincoln overlooked the nature of society and what might take place in the future especially in times of war. This made Lincoln himself, as soon as the war broke out, issue a decree forbidding the emancipation of slaves for fear of internal disturbances and inability of the slaves’ owners to bear up with the damage their interests might suffer from, a matter which means a total paralysis of society in war time. Accordingly, Lincoln’s good intentions neither helped him understand or deal with the psychology of the slaves, nor did they help him during war time and thus he was finally accused of being self-contradictory.

Islam and abolishing slavery

Islam came while slavery was a well-established and recognized institution all over the world. Slaves were a current economic and social commodity with no sign of denial or opposition by anyone. They used to work at fields while fettered in heavy chains to prevent them from escaping. They were given a minimal amount of food just to keep them barely alive. They were forced to work as if they were beasts. Lashes were harshly used to discipline as well as punish them. They slept in dark, bad-smelling cells where insects and chains attached to their necks and feet were their sole companions.

Islam came while social injustices such as ethnic and caste discrimination were prevalent. At that time, several sources used to feed the “river of slavery” every day adding new slaves and bondmaids to the already existing deprived ones as follows:

1. War: Regardless of whether it was legitimate or not; prisoners of war were automatically turned into slaves be them males or females.

2. Kidnapping: As kidnapped persons were turned into slaves and female slaves.

3. Committing serious crimes: The perpetrators of such heinous crimes as as murdering, theft and fornication were enslaved as their punishment.

4. Inability to pay off debts: The owing poor were turned into slaves by the well-off creditors.

5. A father’s authority over his own children gave him the right to sell any of them to others and thus let them fall into thralldom.

6. One’s authority over himself as one could sell himself to others as well.

7. The progeny of all the above becomes slaves even if the parent was freed or emancipated.

While the sources that fed the river of slavery then were gaining momentum and recognition, the gates of freedom were either blocked or were too tight to let anyone get rid of slavery.

Recognizing that reality, Islam adopted a middle way of reformation that aimed at the emancipation of slaves, and abolishment of the slavery system in a realistic revolutionary though gradual manner. In so doing, neither ignoring the reality, nor acknowledging it in a way that may consolidate it or strengthen its already existing foundations, Islam adopted what follows:

Next:
1. Drying the sources out
2. Widening the avenues of emancipation
3. Enjoining good treatment

Read-on on p6.....

AllNaijaBlogger:
Are you saying that people freed slaves in Islam because of heavenly reward and not because slavery itself is wrong? i just want to understand you.

You can also please lead me to the Quranic verse abolishing slavery. Plesse, this is interesting. Teach me.

No, thats not the case. Remember i said earlier that Quran recognized Arabs were into some sorts of slave business before the advent of prophet muhammad(saw). Islam slowly abolished it. For instance, the treatment of slave prior to advent of islam was different when Muhammad proclaimed his prophethood. Bilal ibn Rabah is typical example of this. A slave who became the first man to call to prayer. He was also scholar.

The slavery system which had plagued the whole world upon the advent of Islam. Any attempt to suddenly prevent such a deep-rooted system from various societies would then have caused the social, political, as well as economic life to have been vehemently shaken.

Consequently, the divine wisdom was to work towards restricting the sources of slavery or blocking the avenues leading to enslavement whenever possible. In the same vein, as Islam restricted the streams feeding slavery, it expanded its drains in a way that can be understood as a gradual act of cancelling.

Below are just few of Muhammad's advice for slave owners....and read further from my reply to tru2god

Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.
Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124

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Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "
Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.

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Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.


Sallam ibn 'Amr reported from one of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Your slaves are your brothers, so treat him well. Ask for their help in what is too much for you and help them in what is too much for them."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 190.

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The slave has his food and clothing. Do not burden a slave with work which he is incapable of doing."
Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 192.

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Not one of you should [ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ or ‘my brother’.

Source: Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4

"The masters were obliged not to put slaves under hardship; slaves were not to be tortured, abused or treated unjustly. They could marry among “themselves with their master's permission - or with free men or women ! They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Many of them were appointed as governors, commanders of army and administrators. In the eyes of Islam, a pious slave has precedence over “an impious free man." Source: Al-Tabataba'i, Tafsir ( vol.16, pp. 338-358 )

The Prophet, had stipulated in his "last pilgrimage" speech:

"And your slaves ! see that you feed them such food as you eat yourselves and dress them what you yourself wear. And if they commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "

Source: Ibn Sa'd, op. cit., vol. II:1, p. 133

"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him ; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours “who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (ye meet), And what your right hands possess : for God loveth not the arrogant, the “vainglorious" Surah An Nisa, verse 36

The phrase "What your right hands possess" refers to one’s slaves (male and female). Allah swt ordains the kind treatment of slaves in the same verse where He commands man to worship Him and to treat his parents, relations and neighbors generously, and this signifies the importance of this ruling.

Definition of "slavery" in Islam is different from common meaning today. Unfortunately, we use same word. We long derailed this thread. Op's target was about Christianity though

true2god:
The link you provided has no relevance to the topic at hand.

What do you mean you dont see it?. It's there on page 2. Isn't this discussion about "shape of the earth"?

Explanation of Sura 10:94

There are two explanation of this Verse

Many Christians claims that Quran Surah 10:94 tells Muslims to ask People of Book i:e Christians and Jews if they are in doubt about Quran.
Quran 10:94 states
"If you are in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt."

From all of the context they just pick up this verse saying that Muslims should ask People of Book if they are in Doubt. Well let us read the whole passage.

Surah 10:90
We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)."

Surah 10:91
(It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!

Surah 10:92
"This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

Surah 10:93
We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment.

Surah 10:94
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

From Reading the above Passages we can conclude that Allah helped the People of Israel and saved them from Pharaoh. He showered His blessings upon the People of Israel and settled them in a beautiful place of Jerusalem. Yet they fell into groups and worked against Allah's order and were arrogant.
This is the mischief that Quran says to be asked by People of the Book. And thus, this mischief are also a part of Bible.


Moreover another explanation of this verse is according to Sami Zaatri is that
The Quran makes it clear that Muhammad (AS) is prophesised in the previous scripture:
"Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." (7:157)

Ibn Jarir at-Tabari (d.311 A.H.-923 A.D.) comments on the verse: "God says to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that if you are in doubt about the truthfulness of what We told you in Revelations - that the children of Israel had not differed concerning your prophet hood before you were sent by God as an Apostle to His people, for they found you prophesied in their scripture, and they knew you from the description of you given in the Torah and Injil - you must confer with those who read the sacred book before you, that is, the people of the Torah and the people of the Gospel, such as Abdullah Ibn Salam and those who, like him, were honest and had faith in you: do not ask those who are dishonest or are unbelievers." (At-Tabari, Jami', vol. II, p. 115)


At-Tabari reported Ibn Abbas as saying that the book referred to in the verse was the Torah and the Gospel; the people with whom Muhammad (peace be upon him) was commanded to confer were those who lived in Muhammad's time and believed in him. The Prophet was to turn to them if questions as to the foretelling of his own prophet hood in those books arose. The only object of possible doubt was then Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself, and the people with whom he was to confer were restricted to those who believed in his mission.Furthermore, Muhammad (peace be upon him) had been prophesied in the scriptures - Jewish and Christian - but these prophecies had been denied by the majority of Jews and Christians except for those who had come to accept that such prophecies were truthful and had become Muslim.

So this is the context of Surah 10:94, it has all to do with asking the people of scripture about the advent of Muhammad (AS) found within the Bible.

Now some Christians and Jews will say that ? Well Muhammad is not in the Bible', well if they do say that then all that proves is that the Bible is corrupt!
The Quran states that the prophet Muhammad is in the Bible, if he is not according to what they say, then this cannot be the same Bible that the Quran is referring to. As they so often say, you can't have your cake and eat.

And, no prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and muslims are not in doubt of Quran. Quran and hadith confirmed this:

Surah 7:158

Say: O people! surely I am the Apostle of Allah to you all, of Him Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth there is no god but He; He brings to life and causes to die therefore believe in Allah and His apostle, the Ummi Prophet who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him so that you may walk in the right way.

Surah 42:15

To this then go on inviting, and go on steadfastly on the right way as you are commanded, and do not follow their low desires, and say: I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book, and I am commanded to do justice between you: Allah is our Lord and your Lord; we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds; no plea need there be (now) between us and you: Allah will gather us together, and to Him is the return.

Surah 49:15

The believers are only those who truly believe in ALLAH and HIS Messenger, and then doubt not, but strive with their possessions and their persons in the cause of ALLAH. It is they who are truthful.

Surah 2:285

The apostle believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His apostles; We make no difference between any of His apostles; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.

Book 001, Number 0041:

He (the narrator) said: At that time he (the Holy Prophet) said: I bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am His messenger. The bondsman who would meet Allah without entertaining any doubt about these (two fundamentals) would enter heaven.

Since the Qur'an and hadith make it clear that the Prophet peace be upon him and believers didn't, shouldn't and wouldn't have any doubts about their faith.

true2god:
@ Empiree,

Also note that countries like yemen, oman, somalia and northern sudan had majority black population before the coming of the arabs. My question to you is this, where are the blacks in oman and yemen? Where are the indigenous blacks in northern sudan? Please go and research it.

The activities of the european invaders\colonialists can still be felt in terms of infratructures they built in most capital cities in africa, most of which are standing till date. In europe and america many blacks, children of former slaves, are active in politics, sports and entertainment, educational sector and what have you. African american\europeans citizens are well intergrated into their socities, all one cant rule out occasion racism.

How many blacks, who are children of former slaves, are in govt in saudi arabia, egypty, tunisia, algeria and other arab\muslim countries who benefitted in arab colonization of blaxks?

You not serious at all. Getting back to you on this. Busy now. Middle East itself was victim of Christians colonial masters. Even Catholics bought and sold Somalian Christians to Arabs and White. The effect is still there today. Again, I will not deny Arab at some point slaved others because Quran recognized it and abolished slavery altogether. That's why you see in the Quran where God says "free slaves" repeatedly for various sins committed by men like murder etc. Brb later.

[quote author=Liekiller post=30945007]

I'm a total atheist when it comes to all the gods people have invented in their history as these were obviously all created in man's image and as a measure for people to explain the world around them and to organize their societies.

I hope you realize that this is christian theory. To make such bold claim is blasphemy. No one saw God. No one can see Him. This is confirmed in their Bible as well. So how then they came to conclusion god is man's image. That's nonsense if you ask me.

Some other religions teach that "God is everywhere." This is actually called "pantheism" and it is the opposite of our believe system in Islam. Allah tells us clearly that there is nothing, anywhere in the universe that resembles Him, nor is He ever in His creation. He tells us in the Quran that He created the universe in six "yawm" (periods of time) and then He "astawah 'ala al Arsh" (rose up, above His Throne). He is there (above His Throne) and will remain there until the End Times. (sura 112). However, He's closer to us than our jugular veins.(by His knowledge)

I can't possibly believe in a god that suspiciously resembles a bronze age warlord,

Lol..that's blaspheme for you

just to name one example. Many other gods were invented to reflect the bright and dark sides of human nature. We humans tend to see ourselves as the center of everything, and our gods reflect that.

I understand. Unfortunately, you made it sound like some idol gods. I think you need proper concept of God

I can't exclude that there is "something" out there, and I don't think we'll ever know. If there is such a thing as god I imagine it to be way beyond our imagination and certainly not some measly humanoid being that is obsessed with (only) us humans, that requires our praise and worship and is a control freak when it comes to what we do in bed, how we dress etc. Just like the sadistic and narcissistic traits humans attribute to their gods.

Lol..you sound like someone hurt you really bad to hate God this much. Well, men do crazy things they attributed to God which are incorrect. Yes, God Almighty is jealous of only one thing, His worship. He requires all mankind to worship Him. However, He stresses that we must understand His concept first before doing that. That's knowing God Himself.

We know from the teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him, that no one has ever actually seen God - at least not in this lifetime. Nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize that all of this universe could not possibly come into existence on its own. Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. That is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something that we can understand.
We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe that Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.).

The idea that He controls what we do in bed, what we wear should be understood in their proper contexts. For instance, He created a man and a woman so that we can reproduce or multiply ourselves. He tells man exactly how to have intercourse with his wife (to avoid anus penetration) for our own good. He tells us to be modest and and maintain simplicity in our dress and not to be extravagance. These aint too much of His demands. However, He gave us free will to accept or shun His commands. Our main purpose of life is to worship Him.

Those are purely projections of human ideas and totally irrelevant in the bigger picture of eternity or whatever we wish to call it.

Again, its all boils down to your concept of God. I have always thought that atheists are just deceiving themselves. Men are created naturally to recognize God. This is "fitra" in Islam. Let me give you example, let's say a load of atheists travel by air, at 35,000 altitude the aircraft develops mechanical problems. It started shaking violently and nose dive towards the ocean.

They scream "oh my God...oh my God". My question is why not scream "oh nothing...oh nothing"?. Another example is if atheist forgets something, he says "oh my God i can't remember". Richard Dawkins is a typical example of this. This is common phenomenon they themselves can not explain. It's natural. I have witnessed this several times. What do you think?

malvisguy212:
dint you say the injil is not the bible? You are the one needed to be worried because the injil Allah reffer you to is no where to be found meaning Allah fail to guide his word as promise in the quran.

#yeyeman. Do you have any proof that Injil translated as Gospel by English man was recorded in the lifetime of Jesus?.

You see your argument is invalid as long as you have Bible according to everything except Jesus. One Gospel which seems different from chronicles is that of Barnabas...said to be "blind follower" of Jesus.

malvisguy212:
you have two option;
1.provide the injil and let the viewers see it (or)
2.remain silent.

Lol, you tell me first which version of your bibles Jesus preached exactly. Then we start from there. Which one because you got different versions with obvious contradictions. Which one you want to use...which one?

malvisguy212:
which book the quran was talking about? Allah will direct you to a non existing book?

Sorry, it's talking about injil according Jesus or revealed to jesus.

Not Bible according to: Mathews Mark, Luke John. Those are hearsay with some different accounts. Not even Paul. Just don't like talking you otherwise i will provide you tafsir of the verse. But definitely Qur'an is not referring to your bogus versions of bible you have today

So what's justice in your "democracy" if you still practice jungle justice?. What happens to innocent until proven guilty?.

Imagine this happens in pakistan or saudi, you freaking people would be screaming how barbaric muslims or muslim countries are.

At this point, it's safe to say the suspect has the right to sue the city and police dept. His case should either be dismissed or face lesser charges if found guilty. This is to send message to barbarians.

They have no right to strip him na.ked

true2god:
Empiree you got me laughing here, I tought you were being tutored by Gatiano but I'm surprised at your remark. I thought gatiano was making sense to you Islamically.

Leave him alone

gatiano:
perhaps brother, i did not ask you to believe, i have always been clear about this, it is for you to have an open mind. don't be close minded. if one buries himself/herself in the hadith either as partly true or the truth, ietc.

No, you don't get. Qur'an comes first not hadith. But hadith should not be completely neglected

nortcentrallord:
I hope you have been cleared with your hypocrisy. [s]What does your Qu'ran tell you in chapter 10 vs 94? "If you have any doubt in this Qu'ran which I give to you, go and read the BIBLE" or ask the people who read the bible. That should be enough to help you but PRIDE and selfish gain has driven your Mohammed and his followers to rewrite the Qu'ran by what they calls "hadith" to mislead you guys.[/s]

Lol, you think Qur'an is talking about your corrupted Book? hell no.

You just threading. You have no idea what you quoted. Qur'an doesn't say earth is flat. I posted on this here https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist/2#down

^Sure. Umm, Imran keeping his promise?. Possible but stands on a "roller coaster". The fact that Imran is handsome young man, rich and charming lol, he's a loverboy.

Rahinnat will need to exercise lots of patience and be steadfast.

gatiano:
So i can say Allah in the person of empiree,
Thankyou brother, My son is doing fine. How about your family? Peace of ALLAH be with you.

Your creed is crooked though. Alhamdulilah, am okay.

joseph1832:
Will she being agnostic or atheist mean any less than her beliefs that organized religion has done more harm than good!.

Was just asking her questions cuz i sensed she was theist before, that's all. At least, kindly allow her to answer if she wants

^I don't pay him no mind. He stretches the meaning of the verse and made his conclusion. He will soon be here to challenge you. He is a funny dude

Letter from Lagos
Malcolm X

After April, 1964

Each place I have visited, they have insisted that I don't leave. Thus I have been forced to stay longer than I originally intended in each country. In the Muslim world they loved me once they learned I was an American Muslim, and here in Africa they love me as soon as they learn that I am Malcolm X of the militant American Muslims. Africans in general and Muslims in particular love militancy.

I hope that my Hajj to the Holy City of Mecca will officially establish the religious affiliation of the Muslim Mosque, Inc., with the 750 million Muslims of the world of Islam once and for all -- and that my warm reception here in Africa will forever repudiate the American white man's propaganda that the black man in Africa is not interested in the plight of the black man in America.

The Muslim world is forced to concern itself, from the moral point of view in its own religious concepts, with the fact that our plight clearly involves the violation of our human rights.

The Koran compels the Muslim world to take a stand on the side of those whose human rights are being violated, no matter what the religious persuasion of the victims is. Islam is a religion which concerns itself with the human rights of all mankind, despite race, color, or creed. It recognizes all (everyone) as part of one human family.

Here in Africa, the 22 million American blacks are looked upon as the long-lost brothers of Africa. Our people here are interested in every aspect of our plight, and they study our struggle for freedom from every angle. Despite Western propaganda to the contrary, our African brothers and sisters love us, and are happy to learn that we also are awakening from our long "sleep" and are developing strong love for them.


Letter from Accra
Malcolm X

After April, 1964

I arrived in Accra yesterday from Lagos, Nigeria. The natural beauty and wealth of Nigeria and its people are indescribable. It is full of Americans and other whites who are well aware of its untapped natural resources. The same whites, who spit in the faces of blacks in America and sic their police dogs upon us to keep us from "integrating" with them, are seen throughout Africa, bowing, grinning and smiling in an effort to "integrate" with the Africans -- they want to "integrate" into Africa's wealth and beauty. This is ironical.

This continent has such great fertility and the soil is so profusely vegetated that with modern agricultural methods it could easily become the "breadbasket" of the world.

I spoke at Ibadan University in Nigeria, Friday night, and gave the true picture of our plight in America, and of the necessity of the independent African nations helping us bring our case before the United Nations. The reception of the students was tremendous. They made me an honorary member of the "Muslim Students Society of Nigeria," and renamed me "Omowale," which means "the child has come home" in the Yoruba language.

The people of Nigeria are strongly concerned with the problems of their African brothers in America, but the U.S. information agencies in Africa create the impression that progress is being made and the problem is being solved. Upon close study, one can easily see a gigantic design to keep Africans here and the African-Americans from getting together. An African official told me, "When one combines the number of peoples of African descent in South, Central and North America, they total well over 80 million. One can easily understand the attempts to keep the Africans from ever uniting with the African-Americans." Unity between the Africans of the West and the Africans of the fatherland will well change the course of history.

Being in Ghana now, the fountainhead of Pan-Africanism, the last days of my tour should be intensely interesting and enlightening.

Just as the American Jew is in harmony (politically, economically and culturally) with world Jewry, it is time for all African-Americans to become an integral part of the world's Pan-Africanists, and even though we might remain in America physically while fighting for the benefits the Constitution guarantees us, we must "return" to Africa philosophically and culturally and develop a working unity in the framework of Pan-Africanism.



Malcolm X
May 19, 1925 – February 21, 1965

Malcolm X: A role model for today's youth (2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me2j9rsAwVM

[size=15pt]Malcolm X: self-discipline, self-respect, love of his race[/size]

To many of us, Brother Malcolm was a hero of liberation for oppressed and exploited people, not only here in the United States of America, but all over the world. As a human rights warrior, his message was not only clear, it was prophetic. For millions of people, he was a special kind of emancipator and role model for manhood, dignity and freedom.

Responding to the dynamic program of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and The Nation of Islam, Malcolm studied and advanced to become the group's national spokesman. Across this country, Malcolm took the strong message of self-respect, cultural pride and economic development. He was a rare genius, a gifted leader who built his movement with those whom society had traditionally rejected. Malcolm preached a gospel of black separatism that was premised on black self-love. Since the white folks don't love you, he said, love yourselves.

Today it seems we still don't love, care about or respect people who look like us. As Malcolm said, this is due to ignorance and greed. And a skillfully designed program of miseducation that goes right along with the American system of exploitation and oppression.

Malcolm X spoke truth to the powerfiul and powerless. It was his appeal to the constituency of the rejected that upset bourgeois Negro leaders and challenged the sway of white intimidation in black America. He boldly amplified the voice of angry, urban-center blacks. Malcolm plainly and eloquently said what was on his mind.

At his best, he was a fireball but not a bigot. Most white Americans and some black Americans were not used to hearing the unfiltered and justifiable anger of African Americans toward the U.S. style of racial apartheid, called "de jure segregation," and social injustice.

They mistook Malcolm for a demagogue; most black folks took him for a hero. Regardless of the criticism of Brother Malcolm's ideology, theology or criminality, what is more important is his metamorphosis from negative to positive behavior. He underwent a psychological and cultural transformation to become a symbol of self-discipline, self-esteem and self-determination.

At critical stages during childhood and adolescence, racist forces prevailed upon Malcolm and his family to either weaken or strengthen their resolve to succeed in an oppressive society. Clearly, this is a typical re-enactment of what occurs in the majority of African-American families across this city and country.

Today, African-Americans have another burden to add to racist forces?"our own "black weapons of mass destruction" in the form of most of our local political leaders and some faith-based-initiative church preachers.

Growing up black and poor in America is the epitome of stressful exposure. Just like young Malcolm Little chose a path of delinquency and crime, many, many black youth today are falling prey to these same evils. Today, our criminal justice system, which is criminal, is devouring black youths at an accelerating rate and either swallows them whole or regurgitates them back onto the streets as recidivists, because ex-offenders can't find jobs. Some of the jobs available to them, state laws prohibit them from working on. In my opinion, ex-offenders are becoming "jobless untouchables," especially young black males. Companies, including Wal-Mart, will hire Latino ex-offenders over a non-offender black male.

Minister Malcolm X, however, made the transformation with a quest for knowledge resulting in wisdom and scholarship. He read incessantly, debated fiercely and expanded his world view through his love of the written and spoken word. Confined youth today should follow Malcolm's example.

In addition to becoming a courageous advocate for oppressed people, Malcolm was a dedicated husband and father. Even after his untimely death, he still represents the apex of social consciousness and black manhood.

Actually, Malcolm represents the best in all of us, the potential for achieving excellence in mind, body and soul. He is worthy of our praise from international recognition to his profound respect for faith, honesty, vision, courage and personal sacrifice. His voice and intellect stirred thousands. Now his legacy continues to inspire all who seek social empowerment through education and perseverance.

"Education is our passport to freedom, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today," said Malcolm X. This is something the "Hip-Hop" generation can smile and rap about.

Malcolm In Africa and his last days

Malcolm was set to address a meeting of his new group – the Organization of Afro-American Unity – the next day at the Audubon Ballroom in Washington Heights.

“There were things in the air,” Rodnell Collins, now 70, said.

“We really didn’t want him to go and speak the next day, but Uncle Malcolm wanted to address the believers and the community and he was just not going to turn away.”

Ella, Rodnell recalled, was pleading with Malcolm to come with her to Boston to get away from the dangers in New York.

“He had said to my mom, ‘If I run, What would I look like running from my children? What would they think of their father?’’” Rodnell recalled.

The conversation ended in the early morning hours of Feb. 21. Rodnell never saw his uncle again.

Malcolm was shot dead at the Audubon Ballroom moments after he took the stage. He was 39.

Three men were arrested in the slaying – all Nation of Islam members – but the mystery over who else was involved and who orchestrated the assassination has persisted.

At his graveside:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjIzjOqXk-Q

At Malcolm’s funeral in Harlem, actor Ossie Davis eulogized the man he called “our shining prince.”

“They will say that he is of hate — a fanatic, a racist—who can only bring evil to the cause for which you struggle,” Davis said. “And we will answer and say to them: Did you ever talk to Brother Malcolm? Did you ever touch him, or have him smile at you?”

“Did you ever really listen to him? Did he ever do a mean thing? Was he ever himself associated with violence or any public disturbance? For if you did, you would know him. And if you knew him, you would know why we must honor him.”

Even 50 years ago, it was clear Malcolm was leaving behind a complicated legacy. But one thing beyond dispute was his bravery.

Malcolm never relented in his fight for equal rights – even when the threat of death was staring him in the eyes.\

“It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood,” Malcolm said two days before his assassination. “That’s the only thing that can save this country.”

“Stop sweet-talking (the white man),” Malcolm said. “Tell him how you feel. Tell him how — what kind of hell you've been catching and let him know that if he's not ready to clean his house up, he shouldn't have a house. It should catch on fire and burn down.”

Membership in the Nation began to soar – and in June 1954 Malcolm was sent to New York to run Harlem’s Mosque No. 7.

It was there that he met his future wife Betty Sanders. They would go on to have six daughters but their courtship was anything but conventional: Malcolm proposed from a payphone at a Detroit gas station.

Throughout the late 1950s, his influence grew. His aggressive oratory conflicted with the message of Martin Luther King, Jr.

“The goal of Dr. Martin Luther King is to give Negroes a chance to sit in a segregated restaurant beside the same white man who had brutalized them for 400 years,” Malcolm said in a TV interview.

In New York, Malcolm X stood on street corners and preached to anyone who would listen. On a sultry June day in 1962, a recent Manhattan transplant named Peter Bailey happened to come upon one of Malcolm’s open-air sermons.

“He was the first person I ever heard in my life who talked as much about the psychological attacks of white supremacy as the physical attacks,” said Bailey, now 76.

“By the time he finished, I was a Malcolm-ite.”

By then, Malcolm had built the Nation of Islam into a potent force with more than 50,000 members. But his bond with Elijah Muhammad started coming undone by the end of the year.

Malcolm’s unflinching devotion to Muhammad was shaken when he learned the Nation of Islam founder had committed adultery with several secretaries.

The divide between the two men widened in late 1963 after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Malcolm, defying Muhammad’s order to stay mum on Kennedy’s death, called the killing a case of “the chickens coming home to roost.”

Muhammad’s response was swift and severe: Malcolm was removed as minister of Harlem Mosque No. 7 and ordered to remain silent for 90 days.

Tensions grew worse as Muhammad feared Malcolm was going to form a new group with his budding protégé, Cassius Clay.

In March 1964, Malcolm officially left the Nation and vowed to build a “politically oriented black nationalist party.”

For Malcolm’s close observers, his departure from the Nation wasn’t a total surprise. While Muhammad instructed his followers to ignore the political structure, Malcolm had slowly started to believe civic engagement was vital in reversing the plight of blacks.

“It's going to be the ballot or the bullet,” he said in one of his most famous speeches.

But now, Malcolm was publicly denouncing Muhammad as an adulterer and building a rival organization. Such attacks on the Nation, Malcolm knew, had put his life in danger.

Malcolm, shortly after his famed “Ballot or the Bullet” speech, left the country for a five-week tour of the Middle East and Africa. It was after he completed a pilgrimage to Mecca that he underwent his final transformation.

Malcolm returned to the U.S. with a new name – El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz – a new faith – orthodox Islam – and a new mission – to become an international champion for human rights.

He urged whites and blacks to “sit down at the same table” and “take an intelligent approach to getting the problem solved."

It was a remarkable shift for a man who once said: “History fails to record one single instance in which the white man – as a people – did good.

They have always been devils; they always will be devils, and they are about to be destroyed.”

Malcolm’s new outlook did nothing to stem the Nation’s fury.

His home in East Elmhurst, Queens, was firebombed on Feb. 14, 1965 – an attack that nearly killed pregnant Betty and their four daughters.

Malcolm sent his family to live with close friend Tom Wallace, the brother of actress Ruby Dee, at his home in Queens.

On the night of Feb. 20, Malcolm dropped off Betty at Wallace’s place and stayed for several hours. It was close to midnight when Malcolm, his older half-sister Ella Collins and his nephew Rodnell Collins piled into his Oldsmobile for a private talk.

Imran Hussein on Mr. X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKN6XRBPsB0

But a chat with an eighth-grade English teacher led him to drop out. Malcolm had told him he dreamed of becoming a lawyer.

"A lawyer?” Malcolm’s teacher replied. “That's no realistic goal for a n----r.”

Malcolm moved to Boston to live with his half-sister, Ella. He worked a series of odd jobs – on the railroad, at shoeshine stands, and in nightclubs – but couldn’t resist the pull of street life.

Malcolm bought his first “zoot suit” and “conked” his hair. His first transformation was complete: He was now a full-time hustler.

In Boston, Malcolm was known as “New York Red” for his distinctive red hair. When he traveled to New York in search of easy scores, they called him “Detroit Red.”

He had a blonde girlfriend, a wardrobe of fancy clothes and a knack for getting people whatever it was they wanted – mainly drugs, booze and girls.

“He’d get money from the women for bringing in the customer and he’d get money from the customer for taking him to the women,” Malcolm’s nephew, Rodnell Collins, said. “That was what he did. That was his hustle.”

Malcolm’s life of crime came to an abrupt end in January of 1946. The previous month, he and a motley crew of misfits launched a burglary spree in Boston.

The crew – which included his hustler pal Malcolm “Shorty” Jarvis, his white girlfriend and two of her friends – was busted after Malcolm tried to buy back a $1,000 watch from a pawnshop.

The white women received slaps on the wrist. Malcolm and “Shorty” were sentenced to eight to 10 years behind bars.

Prison would prove to be Malcolm’s salvation.

While locked up in Massachusetts, he met the man who would change his life – a former burglar named John Elton Bembry.

Bembry’s intellect inspired Malcolm. He started devouring books and memorized all the words in a prison dictionary.

In 1948, his brother Philbert sent him a letter saying the family had converted to Islam. Malcolm began corresponding with Elijah Muhammad.

Towards the end of his term, Malcolm had developed into a dazzling speaker and devoted Muslim.

“I don’t think anybody ever got more out of going to prison than I did,” he would say later.

Malcolm, after six and half years in prison, was paroled in August of 1952. He was accepted into the Nation of Islam a month later. Malcolm X was born.

His talent as an orator made him a master recruiter. He was sent up and down the East Coast, preaching a message of black empowerment and articulating the frustration of poor and working class African Americans in a way no one had done before.

“Other black leaders, Dr. Martin Luther King included, all engaged in tailoring their language to minimize negative reactions from white America,” said Russell Adams, professor emeritus of African-American studies at Howard University. “Malcolm said in his fashion what many blacks thought and said among themselves.”

Fifty years after his assassination, Malcolm X remains one of the most controversial figures of the 20th century.

His short, turbulent life was marked by a series of remarkable transformations.

He was a pot-smoking, skirt-chasing criminal in his teens — only to reinvent himself in prison as a self-taught intellectual and deeply committed Muslim and disciple of Elijah Muhammad.

He called for racial separation and cast whites as “devils” — only to renounce the Nation of Islam years later and champion “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people.”

Like the man, the public perception of Malcolm has also undergone a transformation.

Once viewed as a racist demagogue, Malcolm is now viewed by many as an American icon. His face even adorns a postage stamp.

How Malcolm rose from a troubled orphan to a leading civil rights figure is one of history’s more unlikely stories.

His childhood was marred by tragedy. He was born Malcolm Little in Omaha on May 19, 1925 – the fourth of Earl and Louise Little’s seven children.

Earl, an outspoken Baptist minister, served as chapter president for Marcus Garvey’s black nationalism organization. Louise worked as the chapter secretary.

The Littles settled on a piece of farmland in a mostly white neighborhood in Lansing, Mich.

The neighbors were not pleased with the new arrivals. In 1929, months after they arrived, the Littles’ house was burned to the ground by a group of white men.

Earl moved his family to East Lansing.

One day in late September 1931, he left home and never came back. The 41-year-old father’s battered body was found underneath a streetcar in what the police ruled was an accident.

Malcolm, along with his other family members, became convinced that Earl was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan.

Following Earl’s sudden death, Louise struggled to provide for the family — and began to deteriorate physically and mentally.

In December of 1938, Louise was diagnosed as mentally ill and sent to a psychiatric hospital, where she’d remain for the next 26 years.

Malcolm ended up at juvenile home in Mason, Mich. Despite his troubled upbringing, Malcolm excelled in school.

The Role of the Environment and Health In the End Times

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Malcolm with daughters Qubilah (left) and Attilah Shabazz in 1962.

Remembering Civil Rights Giant Malcolm X 50 Years After His Assassination

The controversial activist, who inspired many and infuriated others, was gunned down Feb. 21, 1965, at the Audubon Ballroom in Washington Heights

Malcolm X remains a polarizing figure 50 years after he was assassinated.

Harlem was ready to explode.

It was just before midnight on April 26, 1957, and at least 4,000 protesters were massed outside the 28th Precinct stationhouse on Eighth Ave.

Hours earlier, 32-year-old Johnson Hinton and two friends had been walking along W. 125th St. when they spotted two cops beating another black man with nightsticks.

“You’re not in Alabama!” yelled Hinton and his pals. “This is New York!”

The officers turned their nightsticks on Hinton, a member of the Nation of Islam, delivering several crushing blows to his head and face.\

Hinton, despite suffering lacerations on his scalp and bleeding on the brain, was now being held inside the four-story, red-brick 28th Precinct police station.

The crowd was growing impatient. A race riot seemed imminent.

A ripple of excitement swept through the crush of people when a 6-foot-3 man in a black suit and spectacles showed up and strode inside the station-house. The demonstrators, many of whom were Nation of Islam members, knew exactly who he was.

Malcolm X.

The fiery head of the Nation’s new Harlem mosque, Malcolm was allowed to see Hinton. But the cops refused to return the battered man to the hospital.


Malcolm, sensing an impasse, stepped outside the stationhouse and flashed a hand signal to his Nation of Islam followers. They immediately started marching off — silent and stern — like an Army battalion having just received orders from their general.

The rest of the crowd followed.

A group of NYPD cops watched the scene in awe.

“No one man should have that much power,” one officer told Amsterdam News editor James Hicks.

Hinton was released in the morning — after the Nation paid his $2,500 bail — and taken to Harlem Hospital.

The striking show of force introduced the nation to Malcolm X.

Incendiary, influential and often polarizing, Malcolm led the black nationalist movement with a clenched fist and biting tongue.

His rejection of integration and insistence on black liberation “by any means necessary” made him a hero to large swaths of black people.

To many others, he was seen as a villain and a menace. The militant, anti-establishment rhetoric Malcolm preached sent shivers of fear down the spines of many whites and alarmed some African-Americans.

Liekiller:
I wouldn't call it that. While I did grow up Catholic I started questioning the whole thing very early in life. It just never seemed to make much sense, and the older I grew and the more I looked into it from different angles, the less sense it made.

agnostic or you are now completely atheist?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Dr. Empiree in the house!

Lol

9jaforlife:
Very insightful... Jazak Allah Khairan!

Kindly post useful info (if any) on Sura 33:56 either on this thread or the other thread titled " Muslim side talk" in Islam For Muslim section. Note that Question01 username is the same brother "usermane". He probably had problem with his account at that time. Me and him discussed this issue of "salaawat" on muslim side talk thread too.

I understand he emphasized on "darood" I didnt quiet understand what he meant before because I am not used to the phrase. I grew up with "salawaat". They mean the same thing. He's actually referring to dua "Salat ibrahima" in tashahud being shirk. He's still wrong though. But me, i grew up with Malik School Of Law. Salat Ibrahimah is never obligatory in tashahud nor is it forbidden or an act of shirk. I only used to recite basic tashahud without salat ibrahimah. Salat ibrahima is NOT a condition for acceptance (intercession) of obligatory salat. He thinks it is because of solitary hadith he quoted on the other thread.

Careful with him though when you eventually confront one another on any subject because he's "maradona" on NL. I shall fold my arms and watch when that happens

@9jaforlife, you appear to be recently active here. I didnt see you here before.

Liekiller:
lets have one or two together. Anything you order oo!

Were you theist at some point? which religion?