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Macelliot: Prophesies of Zechariah....
Mysteries surrounding the Israeli-palestine war!
NOTE: Only those with foresight will understand!
Zachariah 14:1-21
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+14:1-21

usermane: You 've got it, what has religion got to do with this? What thing in this sense does the Islamic state need to protect that warrant extorting money from non-muslims else the latter has to be fought?

Well, the tax supposedly qualifies the foreigners and citizens full rights but the Jizyah does not.

There is no basis for this tax in the Qur'an which the "Islamic state" claims to source its decrees. A deep understanding of the context of Qur'an 9:1-30 and the meaning of the arabic wor "jizyah" rubbishes the teaching that non-muslims are to be charged periodically for residing in the Islamic state.

Even if we were to agree that Jizya is a tax meant to earn non-muslims their rights, this can easily be refuted by the fact that dhimmis remain largely disenfranchised and subjugated under Sharia.

usermane: Tax: An amount of money you must pay the government according to your income.

Zakat: Money or gifts from one 's earning given to the poor or needy, prescribed at regular intervals.

Jizya: Reparation mandated on war aggressors after their defeat, for the collateral damages they caused.

No much correlation. Let me guess, you are driving at defining Jizyah as an alternative of Zakat for non-muslims. Well, zakat isn't tax that is the right of the government. Like Salat, Zakat is left at the hands of the individual to comply or not comply. Government may penalise defaulters when it comes to tax but giving Zakat cannot be enforced by government. No compulsion in religion.

Jizya though like a tax can be enforced, but it is not permanent like the latter and has a very different goal from Zakat.

usermane: If you are going to fight back the imposition of restrictions on your religious practices by the Chinese authority, then you honestly have to reject sharia totally or atleast those aspects that restricts and limit certain rights and liberties of non-muslims/dhimmis under an Islamic state. Otherwise, you 'll become big time hypocrites. That is a decent word from an ex-orthodox muslim blessed enough to isolate the original message of Islam{THE QUR'AN} from the piles of distortions and fabrications introduced into it via seconadary sources{HADITH, SUNNAH, IJMA, TAFSEER} to this day. I hope and pray you posses the decency and guy to keep this word atleast for your own good.

PEACE
USERMANE

I dont know where u live but just to give you example, if you are US citizen(born and bred), jizya is a must. If you are Resident(foreign born) and want to become citizen, jizya is imposed on you as well.
If you are "illegal" Resident, and lucky enough to get a lawyer to make you "legal", back taxes or tax reference is needed. If you have none, forget about your legality. Embrace possible deportation (if they are interested in you)
ETC.

NOW THE FIRST 2 are focus here. If they fail to pay taxes or evade tax, they face prospect of heavy tax fines or jail. Ewon gbooon ran gbon
Note: If you are Resident (Greencard) for 5 yrs and paid no tax, you cant get citizenship i:e you have no equal right as citizen. Other rights, yes. And if Resident failed to pay taxes after several attempts by uncle sam to force you to pay it, taxman will come for you. Most likely deportation is eminent.

In order word, your jizya is condition for enjoying certain rights. Bro, cool off in your xtreme prejudice. Every nation-religion has things to protect. Now you may say this has nothing to do with religiion. Onus on you.




Qns: what's your definition of jizya and zakat and "tax"? Is there any correlation in them?.

Emmafrancis: A good questiOn for your Priest. But you should know that christianity is in the minority in Israel. Majority there don't believe Jesus is the Son of God

TheBigUrban2: ^^^

TheBigUrban2:

No one is claiming that they are aliens or immigrants......surely not me.

The fact remains that non-muslims suffer much worse discrimination from muslims in islamic countries than muslims do in Europe/America.

tbaba1234: I am not sure about that, I am a pretty private person.

olabowale: Wolf Blitzer of CNN's situation room, US FED Chairman, and others wear beard. Emi Olabowale Omo Pakulopa of ijebu Ode wear my full beard. Its well groomed. It is like feathers and it has sheen.

There is nothing unhygienic about a well kept beard!

cirmuell: The same guy that said palestinians should wait for him to come help 'em fight Israel? you guys are dry, bring something fresh.

eaglechild: Thousands of Christians are fleeing their homes as we speak.

mazaje: ^^

Muslims keep claiming they will dominate the world, put every body under their feet and make sharia the law of the land when they can't produce anything, the only thing they can produce are IEDs. . .You can't use IEDs to dominate anybody, you can only use fighter jets, submarines, helicopters, drones, good precision guided rockets, artillery guns, air to surface missiles and missile defense shields. . .You can also use diseases like ebola, SARS, anthrax etc to dominate and control others. . .muslims don't know how to create anything. They can't create good weapons and can't control biological diseases, they know nothing, have nothing and can control nothing, but they keep screaming and brandishing swords in mosques while deceiving themseles that they will dominate the world and keep everybody under their feet. . .The only thing they know how to produce are IEDs. . .Which they mostly use to kill themselves with no even their enemies.

mazaje: [s]
Why bring the Jews into this?. . .By the way Muslims never treated the unbelievers in their midst equally, they never had the same rights as muslsims, they were taxed heavily(Jizya) and were second class citizens. Saudi Arabia remains one of the most intolerant country in the world today. Non muslims are not even allowed into Mecca, non muslims can not practice their religions freely so i wonder why you are calling Saudi Arabia, a country where its highest cleric has stated that all churches should be destroyed. The question is why do muslims want others to tolerate them when they are very intolerant of others?. . .
The only reason why muslims countries are not invading non muslim land is because all majority muslims countries are weak. . Militarily they are powerless, they don't and can't produce anything. . .They have no good technology of their own and can not produce any good weapon of their own that is why they are yet to invade non muslims countries, remember they all ganged up on the tiny Israel unprovoked in 1948, 1967 and 1973 in bid to obliterate them and drive them into the sea but they were all embarrassed by the small Jewish nation because they jews had the weapons while they had nothing. . .If the muslim countries were as powerful as the non muslim countries they would have used their arms to fight jihad and conquer lands in the name of Islam, luckily all of them can not produce anything and are far behind technologically. . .They can only sit in their mosques and be brandishing swords while screaming and telling themselves how islam will conquer the world but in reality they can't conquer anything or any body because they have nothing and are weak militarily. . .Muslims will be telling themselves that they will establish the caliphate and put and end to democracy, sharia will become the law all over the world, they will destroy America, France, England, Russia etc. . .They have nothing, can't produce anything and are just deceiving themselves by lying to themselves. . .[/s]

mazaje: [s]He pretended not to see one of the highest scholars of islam calling for the destruction of all churches in the arabian peninsula, and how his muslim brothers are giving people ultimatum to convert to their religion pay fine or die, but went on a tirade about shaitan and other ridiculous brouhaha. .[/s] .Muslims are very intolerant of others but they want others to tolerate them. . .Funny people. . .