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Chrisrare:
All catholic church does is practise pagan worship. So let dem leave CAN, dey aren't even supposed to be there.

Why did you say so?

Syncan:
Proverbs 18:2-3 Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions. No wonder!

proverb 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like
him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.

mrZENographer:
Sir warris dis
You didn't answer my question. I'll take your first point for an answer. The 2nd are quotes referring to salvation through christ, faith and healing. This is an island away from what I asked. Bible proof Concerning the Mary as queen of heaven, use of scaplets and rosaries, carry or post graven images of Jesus and Mary.

Let me address your first point. I wasn't asking about the foundation of the church neither about Pope Peter who you said began the catholic church. My question is where in the scriptures did Pope Peter instruct/admonish the church to pray to Mary? or Jesus ask the believers to pray to Mary.

u are asking me about Mary as if catholic pray to her as our saviour. She is not the saviour of the Church but a mediator just like other holy men and women (saint) who have died. To know more about the mediator read luke 1:46-49, rev 5:8, mathew 17:3, Matt.
8:13, 15:28, 17:15–18, Mark 9:17–29, Luke 8:49–55
Why I listed these verses without explaining is because u had have an encounter with a catholic and yet u want to argue instead of to learn. I hope i have answered your questions? Let me too ask u a "crazy" question. Why do ur pastors prefer to put on a suit or agbada as if they are going for business? Did the bible say they should put on tee shirt, suit or agbada? Like the Catholic Priest wears is in the bible but i will like you to answer me.
No 2 how come ur Church don't have altar afterall God's Prophet used it exodus 32:5, genesis 8:20 instead they have pulpit? I know you know the differences? Please don't tell me old things has pass away because altar is old testament remember God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Thats why you collect tithe which is from old testament..

http://www.catholicbible101.com/scriptureinthemass.htm http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Biblical-Mass-Texts.htm

Reason why our separated brethren need to know this is because they can be enlightened about the Catholic doctrine and faith.
Though those who were never a catholic may not understand this but those who were ones a catholic but left will understand.

frubben:
Nice question, oya mr catholic come answer oo with scriptural back up

mathew 16 :18. John 6:54-55, john 20:23, john 3:5,

SirWere:
Warris dis

what does it look like?

crusadistic:
The bible is all that is needed.Do you mean decided the additional books in their so-called catholic bible

what did the bible say that is contrary to the Catholic teaching?

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Warri loading to join Naval jet to Tincan-island this nite...and meet the Lagos route by
5:30am in the morning.
No Africa time pls..... Na America we dey go oo..
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mrZENographer:
ehmm no! Your question is Reasons why you are catholic. My question is prove the authencity of your decision. For you to become a Catholic without considering the reasons I outlined may suggest you should make a retrieval.

yes I need answers. you're the 1st or sec am asking like this. I hardly debate with catholics. But here u are. So provide me scriptural answers of my questions in d previous post.

ok since you want to know i will give u biblical reason.
(1) THE FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH the Church is built on the rock called peter and on the promise of christ to the Church. Matthew 16:18.
(2) THE SACRAMENT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. The Church has 7 sacrament namly BAPTISM,CONFIRMATION, HOLY EUCHARIST, PENANCE, ANNOITING OF THE SICK, HOLY ORDER and MATRIMONY. These verses say more about the 7 sacraments.
The following are verses commonly cited to
support the Roman Catholic belief concerning
the sacraments: “Therefore I remind you to stir
up the gift of God which is in you through the
laying on of my hands" ( 2 Timothy 1:6 ). "Jesus
answered, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, unless
one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot
enter the kingdom of God’" ( John 3:5 ). "Not by
works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to His mercy He saved us,
through the washing of regeneration and
renewing of the Holy Spirit" ( Titus 3:5 ). "That
He might sanctify and cleanse her with the
washing of water by the word" ( Ephesians
5:26 ). "If you forgive the sins of any, they are
forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they
are retained" ( John 20:23 ). "And the prayer of
faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise
him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be
forgiven" ( James 5:15 ). "Then they laid hands
on them, and they received the Holy
Spirit" ( Acts 8:17 ). "Whoever eats My flesh and
drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise
him up at the last day. For My flesh is food
indeed, and My blood is drink indeed" ( John
6:54-55 ).

mrZENographer:
Do you know the difference BTW fault and question? For your infomate on, I am asking questions that demands answers.

Something made him to be a catholic but are those points enough proof that he has made the right decision?

Please stop quoting love of God in this matter. The love of God is to rebuke sin and exhort believers. Jesus said "As many as I love I rebuke". not to condemn you but so you will amend your ways and be saved

about your question, even if I answer you today we will still argue till eternity cos i believe you had have an encounter with some catholics on the Church doctrine. So what answer do what to get from me? I can only answer you only if truly you want to know.

mrZENographer:
Do you know the difference BTW fault and question? For your infomate on, I am asking questions that demands answers.

Something made him to be a catholic but are those points enough proof that he has made the right decision?

Please stop quoting love of God in this matter. The love of God is to rebuke sin and exhort believers. Jesus said "As many as I love I rebuke". not to condemn you but so you will amend your ways and be saved

did you read the topic? The topic is "ONE OF THE REASON WHY I AM A CATHOLIC". So have i answered your question?

mrZENographer:
1) But where did Pope Peter ask the Catholic Church to pray to Mary. Or any of the apostles of Jesus. Did Jesus ever request any of the thousands of his followers to go see Mary to receive answers to prayer?

2) Where in the bible did pope Peter ask the catholic church to use beads and chaplets when praying. Or Jesus or Pope paul.

3) Was there any place in the bible where the apostles made or carried crosses and images of Jesus or Mary.

3) I have not seen where Mary was called Queen of Heaven in the scripture. Please can you show me?

4) Catholism undoubtedly has been a long existing and powerful community with great control over many sectors of the economy in the world, but how can we know they are leading it's members to heaven.

rTHANK YOU.

y don't u appreciate someone who proclaims his religion than to find unnecessary fault in his doctrine. My bible tells me that the greatest commandment is the love of God and man. So if my Church natures and groom me on these commandment then i think i am in the right part with God. By the way, many catholics had explained catholism to you in the past so of what use is my explanation to you.

mrZENographer:
1) But where did Pope Peter ask the Catholic Church to pray to Mary. Or any of the apostles of Jesus. Did Jesus ever request any of the thousands of his followers to go see Mary to receive answers to prayer?

2) Where in the bible did pope Peter ask the catholic church to use beads and chaplets when praying. Or Jesus or Pope paul.

3) Was there any place in the bible where the apostles made or carried crosses and images of Jesus or Mary.

3) I have not seen where Mary was called Queen of Heaven in the scripture. Please can you show me?

4) Catholism undoubtedly has been a long existing and powerful community with great control over many sectors of the economy in the world, but how can we know they are leading it's members to heaven.

rTHANK YOU.

rosary came centuries after the apostles. Is it the rosary that u have problem with or the doctrine?

1. The Catholic Church gave us the Gregorian calendar which we all use today.
2. The Catholic Church gave us the date for Easter.
3. The Catholic Church gave us the date for Christmas which means Christ-Mass.
The remains of all of the Apostles are in Catholic Churches, and so are all of the
Gospel writers. Note! Some relics are divided between Catholic Churches.
St. Peter is in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome.
St. Paul is in St. Paul's Church in Rome.
St. Matthew is in the Cathedral of St. Matthew in Messina, Sicily.
St. James the Greater is in St. James Church in Compostela Spain.
St. James the Less (the Just) is in the Basilica of the Holy Apostles in Rome.
St. Bartholomew is in St. Bartholomew-in-the-island Church in Rome.
St. Andrew is in the Cathedral of Amalfi in Italy.
St. Philip is in the Church of the Dodici Apostoli in Rome, Basilica of the Holy Apostles.
St. Simon is in the Vatican, under the Altar of the Crucifixion.
St. Jude is in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome.
St. Thomas is in the Cathedral of Saint Thomas in Mylapore, India.
St. Matthias is in St. Matthews Abbey in Trier Germany, and in St. Mary Major Basilica
in Rome.
St. John is in the ruins of the Basilica of St. John in Ephesus Turkey.
"You are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets with Jesus Christ
Himself as the Chief Corner Stone."
Ephesians 2:20.
Even though he was not an Apostle, he did write the Gospel of Mark.
St. Mark is in St. Mark's Church in Venice, Italy.
Even though he was not an Apostle, he did write the Gospel of Luke.
St. Luke is in the Basilica of Santa Giustina in Padua, Italy.
The first Christian Martyr. Acts 7:60
St. Stephen is in Rome in the Basilica of St. Lawrence Outside the Walls.
The first person to arrive at the tomb of the Risen Christ. John 20:1
St. Mary Magdalene is in the Basilica of St. Maximin in Villalata, France.
He produced the first Bible containing both the Old and New Testaments, the Latin
Vulgate. St. Jerome is in St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome.
We know from the many authentic Relics that the Catholic Church has in its
possession. Among them are:
1. The Relic of the True Cross on which Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:17-18
2. The "INRI" inscription from the True Cross, called "Titulus Crucis". John 19-19
3. The Nails which held Jesus to the cross. John 20:25
4. The Lance Point of Saint Longinus which pierced the side of Jesus. John 19:34
5. The Crown of Thorns and the individual thorns from it. John 19:2
6. The Table used at the Last Supper is in St. John Lateran Basilica in Rome. Matthew
26:20
7. The Scala Santa, the steps which Jesus Christ ascended on His way to meet
Pontius Pilate.
8. The Chains of Saint Peter, in the Church of St. Peter in Chains in Rome.
Many more.........
We know from its sheer Size and Rapid Growth, with over 1,057,000,000* (one billion,
fifty-seven million) members, or one in six of the entire population of the earth, as of
February 2000. That is an increase of over 40,000,000 (forty million), since December
1997, more than half of the total membership of the largest single non-Catholic
denomination. In 2001, the Catholic Church grew to over 1,070,540,000* members, plus
another 216,000,000* Orthodox. Bar none, the Catholic Church is the fastest growing
Christian Church in the world. All of the over 36,400 various Non-Catholic
denominations, collectively added, total less* than the Catholic membership.
For those detractors of the Catholic Church who say that numbers are irrelevant, they
are in effect, saying that Satan is winning souls and that GOD is losing souls. They are
saying that more people are convinced by the lie from the father of lies, John 8:44,
than they are convinced of the truth of GOD, John 14:6. They have forgotten, or maybe
they never knew, that Satan can only do what GOD allows him to do.

This piece makes a lot of sense to me... It is either I do not understand economics and how exchange rates work or a vast majority of us Nigerians still don’t get how we have wrecked our country with our own curious choices. Just this morning, I was listening to the radio and the lady on air went on and on about how she thought CBN governor, Godwin Emefiele was incompetent and should be sacked because the Naira was now exchanging at 309 or so to the USD. “That view pretty much echoes the sentiments expressed by many people I know and it amazes me that there are Nigerians who actually think there is some magic POLICY that can make the Naira strong in the near term. If my economics and my understanding of the way the world works are right, then that is as far from the truth as Jesus Christ is black. “The simple fact of the matter is that apart from oil that accounts for over 90% of our revenues, we really don’t have much of an economy. We hardly produce anything, we import even toothpicks, so exactly what policy is going to be implemented that will turn Nigeria into a top exporting economy in the near term? Where are our Apples, IBMs, Disneys, GMs, General Electrics, Coca Colas, Empire State buildings, Statues of Liberties, Lockheeds, Citibanks, JP Morgans, ExxonMobils, NBAs, Super Bowls etc? Let me bring that closer home. “There was a time long ago when Nigeria had a truly strong economy and the naira was one to the dollar – even exchanged for higher than the USD, but that Nigeria is not this Nigeria. Sadly that Nigeria was laid by the British, and this Nigeria (if you don’t believe in the nonsensical imperialist conspiracies like me) – fueled by the DAMAGING Indigenization Decree, has been the creation of us Nigerians. Back then we had a booming economy. We were either the top, or among the top exporters, of timbre, cocoa, groundnuts, rubber, palm oil, etc, in the world. Nigerians not only holidayed at home in their villages, at Yankari Games Reserve, at Obudu Cattle Ranch, at Oguta Lake, at Ikogosi springs, at Gurara Falls, at Mambilla Platueau, etc, we attracted international tourists who brought in loads of foreign exchange. Even Nigerian schools were foreign exchange earners because they attracted foreign students. “We had different car assembly plants – Peugeot, Volkswagen, Anamco etc. Nigerian government officials only bought vehicles assembled in Nigeria for official cars. We had a thriving sports industry. We were not Man United or Chelsea fans, we were Rangers or IICC fans. We had the Nduka Odizors, people made money from sports. We also had companies like Lennards and Bata producing school shoes in their thousands, we had the thriving Nigerian Airways and the Aviation School in the north that produced some of the best pilots in the world. In those days if you were brilliant you were respected much more than the crass money-miss-road contractors of today. Most of the Aje Butters I knew had fathers who were university dons. Back then it meant something to ‘know book’. Our textile industry was alive and well. Just recently I watched a news report on the textile industry in Nigeria on CCTV News. Though the main focus was on the comatose status of the industry, I was stunned by the gigantic Kaduna Textile Mill built in 1957. I could go on and on. “Today however, no thanks to our parents (and we must call them out the way Wole Soyinka did his generation) and many of us (and we should be remembered for failing our children if we continue like this), we have destroyed everything. Today for instance Nigerian football (which comes easy to me obviously) doesn’t appeal to us, we have to fly across thousands of miles to watch ‘our’ clubs play. Every year we collectively burn billions of Naira being fans of clubs that give us nothing back, but some ‘entertainment value’ – simple pleasures for which we are ready to destroy the future of our children. “Well people, payback time is here. Even with our ta-she-re money we all want to wear designer clothes and carry designer bags, Armani, Givenchy, Louis Vuitton etc. We all want to drive jeeps with American specs, our children must now school overseas and acquire the necessary accents to come back home and bamboozle their ‘bush and crass’ contemporaries that they left behind. Who holidays in Nigeria anymore, is there Disneyland here? No one buys made-in-Nigeria school bags for their children, after all no Superman or Incredible Hulk or Cinderella on them. “We are no longer top exporters of anything and the demise of oil means we have zilch… zero. A country of 170M fashion- conscious people has no textile industry. We take delight in showing how our made-in- Switzerland Aso Ebi is different class to everyone else’s. When we help our musicians grow and pay them millions, they repay us by immediately shipping the monies overseas to produce their “i-don-dey-different-level” music videos. It makes no difference that distinctly Zulu dancers are dancing to a Nigerian highlife song. “As stars concerned they also wed and holiday overseas to impress us all. All the musicians who acknowledge their Ajegunle roots now speak in a cocktail of strange accents to symbolise how much they have blown their monies overseas. Were we a more serious people, the highly popular Kingsway Stores of the past would probably have a thousand outlets pan Nigeria today supporting a massive agriculture industry among others, but today we have the likes of SPAR, Shoprite, dominating the retail industry while Kingsway is dead. “And we Nigerians make it a special point to shop from the Oyinbos who have ‘cleaner shops’, ‘better this and better that’. For our personal pleasure we don’t mind them dominating us in our own backyard and shipping proceeds overseas. I could go on and on, but I don tire. Even as you are reading this, stop for a moment and look around you. What you see will probably explain why we are lucky it is not N1000 to the USD yet. And don’t think for a moment that it cannot get there. “Just continue to wear your Armani gear and Swiss-made lace, continue to spend your money on Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Barca and encourage your children to do same. (My article tomorrow in my Saturday column in This Day is on the Nigerian champions Enyimba FC – Nigeria’s most successful club – not having a sponsor, yet Nigerian brands pay over N600m to Man United and Arsenal for sponsorship to impress us.) Ehhh, no problem, continue to tell me the NPFL is rubbish or the clubs should clean up their act if they want sponsorship, mo gbo . “Don’t curtail your interest in choice wines ( we were the number one champagne consumers in the world in 2015), continue to love your American specs, cheer the education ministry for letting schools sink to pitiable levels, don’t fight them to improve our schools, don’t chide them for letting schools drop Nigerian history and embrace British, America and whatever else curricular. “Carry on with your love of French wines and Chinese silk, don’t bother about Jamiu Alli when there is Roger Federer. Stock up on your Italian, American, British products which you cannot live without, including the ‘baby soft’ toilet rolls produced only in that small unique village in England – the days are long gone since you were a broke student who used wet newspapers to wipe your butt. “Don’t even consider holidaying in Nigeria, it’s too dangerous – you have to fulfill your dream of being Nigeria’s Henry Ford. Don’t listen to people like me who have a wardrobe full of only cheap adire that is actually cheaper than just one of your Tom Ford blazers. Please keep dressing in fine silk made in some exotic place so you can be addressed accordingly. “Finally keep letting corrupt leaders who have looted your commonwealth and shipped all the monies overseas get away because to attack them does not fit your political narrative. Let us continue with the fine life, let us all continue to work for Oyinbo. But don’t forget that there is payback time and Emefiele is not your problem. Time for us all to look in the mirror and take responsibility"

Any coach who can't win AFCON after one and half years of appointment and gets to the second round of world cup is a failure. Keshi broke clement westerhof record and set another record of using rookies to win AFCON

On 18 November 2013, Stephen keshi set a record in African football by being the
first African coach to successfully qualify two African nations (Nigeria and Togo) to
the World Cup Finals.
He also helped Nigeria become the first country to achieve an African Cup of Nations
trophy and World Cup qualification, both in 2013.
#Big Boss Indeed

emorse:
I never liked the man as a coach. Its funny how that has suddenly changed with this news. Life is truly best understood backwards. RIP Big boss.

if you are close to coaches u will know he was and is the best coach ever to coach our eagles

I loved him so much, he gave us joy and i will forever call him a legend of all time.

CARDIAC ARREST LED TO STEPHEN KESHI's DEATH Emmanuel Ado a brother to the late coach told PREMIUM TIMES the 54-year-old died of Cardiac arrest in the early hours of Wednesday, June 8. “With thanksgiving to God, the Ogbuenyi Fredrick Keshi family of Illah in Oshimili North Local Government Area of Delta State, announces the death of Mr. Stephen Okechukwu Chinedu Keshi,” Mr. Ado said in a statement. He continued “Our son, brother, father, father-in-law, brother-in- law, has gone to be with his wife of 35 years (Nkem ), Mrs. Kate Keshi, who passed on on the 9th December 2015. “Since her death, Keshi has been in mourning. He came back to Nigeria to be with her. He had planned to fly back today Wednesday, before he suffered a cardiac arrest. He has found rest.” REST IN PEACE STEPHEN KESHI So sad

Stephen Okechukwu Keshi (Big Boss)
**He captained Nigeria to win the 1994 African Cup of Nations.
**He was the first and only coach to qualify Togo to their first ever World Cup in 2006.
**He is the first and only Nigerian coach to win African Cup of Nations.
**He is the second man to win the African Cup of Nations both as a player and as a
coach.
(1994 as a player and 2013 as a coach)
The first was Egypt's Mahmoud El - Gohary.
**Stephen Keshi is the first BLACK coach to make it from a group stage at the World
Cup.
He achieved this in 2014.
Mahieddine Khalef and Rachid Mekhloufi guided Algeria to the second round of the
1982 World Cup.
**Stephen Keshi set a record in African football by being the first African coach to
successfully qualify two African nations (Nigeria and Togo) to the World Cup 2014 and
2006 respectively.
**He also helped Nigeria become the first country to achieve an African Cup of Nations
trophy and World Cup qualification, both in 2013.
Rest In Perfect Peace Stephen Okechukwu Keshi.
Rest In Perfect Peace The Big Boss (A true African legend)

odudukoko:
my broda, those state don't depend or trust d federal government. they are hustlers on there own.

Why can't fayose make law so that ekiti people can become hustlers?

odudukoko:
nobody is a beggar. there's no money in d country and I guess u know whose fault it is.

is lagos and anambra part of Nigeria? How come they can pay salaries especially anambra?

odudukoko:
fayose is not confused. he is just being a sincere man in a tribe of hypocrites. God bless fayose

so u know that those people are hypocrites?

TWO WEEKS AGO.....
"I support the NLC Strike Action. That is the only way to deal with a wicked
government like Buhari's government...." ---Ayo Fayose.
YESTERDAY.....
"Strike Action is not the only way to deal with issues...."---Ayo Fayose.
FEW MONTHS AGO....
"Governors that cannot pay salaries should resign.... "
YESTERDAY
" I can't sell myself or my family to pay you... You can continue your strike.... "
Is this Fayose Ayo okey?