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Janosky:
Nah you write am there "multiple times to distort God's word?"
Just asking you,pls reply .

Is the same word OTHER inserted in your own Bible at Luke 13:2 ?

Have you Removed OTHER from your own Bible at Luke 13:2?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
go and rest jare. [/b]

I can't remove any word from any translation because I never claim any translation as mine.

In other word, ALL TRANSLATIONS inserted what they like and NWT isn't exempted.

That's right.

Janosky:
God the Father is your ancestor means the same Nature you have ?

This guy self.

You are on your own

Sorry, you mean you and Jehovah have the same NATURE?

I can see you didn't answer my question.

Janosky:
Oga, are you willing to learn,relearn & unlearn?

From who?

Is Yahweh a first born at any time ?
No.

This is because you treat FIRSTBORN as you wish not as how scripture used it.

Remember, Watchtower claimed Jehovah is the CHIEF PRINCE

Also, Yahweh is THE BEGINNING, do you know what that means?

Oga,what happened before Jesus BECAME the firstborn from the dead" @Colossians 1:18?
Jesus died & was the first resurrected never to die again.

"NEVER TO DIE AGAIN..." is different from Jesus NEVER DIED.

I guess you miss English class earlier.

What happened BEFORE Jesus BECAME the first born of every creature of God @ Collosians 1:15?
Jesus himself is first creature of God.
Yahweh our heavenly Ancestor (Father) created Jesus his firstborn Son.

I have to CAPITALIZE that "BEFORE" because that's where your problem lies.

If Jesus BECAME FIRSTBORN who was He before BECOMING FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATURE?

If you can answer this without putting yourself into more confusion, then you'll begin to see from the len Paul was talking about.

David was appointed first born.
Was David a creature ?
Yes

What you did here is just one thing.

Strictly agreed that word FIRSTBORN wasn't about FIRST CREATED (which is not) but you won't still agree with yourself.

If people can be APPOINTED AS FIRSTBORN then it means the word isn't about FIRST CREATURE but Position.

Anything Jesus received corresponds with the experience he underwent.

Good. This is a word on THE MARBLE but only if you know the implications.

Which means the word FIRSTBORN wasn't about FIRST CREATURE but something ACQUIRED along the way.

Do you see how you implicated yourself now?

But that Watchtower shackles won't still fell from your eyes after this.

Janosky:
Let's itemize the lies in your post & highlight them.

With your disjointed sentences.

With the number of years you've spent on Nairaland, you still don't know how to properly items your points in a clear and readable way.

Oga, you don't.
One evidence is that your expression "THROUGH God" (Greek DIA) is not in Rev 3:14.
Oga,your claim is false.

So, where did you see BY that you always inserted into Rev 3:14 to make it read '...the beginning of the Creation BY God'?

This is another evidence that you always injecting into God's word as it suits you.

By the way, see the screenshot below for the meaning of the word ARCHE as used in Rev 3:14. I know the reason you ran away from Biblehub this time around is because ti doesn't suit your narrative.

Screenshot evidence Greek DIA definition is "THROUGH, by means of" , for example John 1:3.

So, why do you switch in-between BY & THROUGH as you like?

Is that not dishonesty?

Screenshot evidence: ARKHE meaning Beginning at Rev 3:14.
Not Origin/Source.

See the attached screenshot for the meaning of ARCHE.

You dubiously ran away from Biblehub this time because ti exposed your lies

"Through God" is not in any Greek manuscript of Rev 3:14.
Emusan invented that

This is how you have been quoting Rev 3:14
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God"

Which is the same way NWT also put it.

Now, where did you and the translator of NWT see the word BY in Revelation?

You don't know you just exposed your organization the more.

But,
"The beginning of the creation of (or by) God". Very correct.

So, where did (OR BY) come from?

Oga, with evidences of (1) to (4), Emusan your claim is not true.
"1980 is the beginning of Nigeria winning AFCON titles".
Oga, does it mean that 1980 is not among Nigeria winning AFCON?
No.

I don't even know the sense you're trying to make here.

Therefore,Jesus is a creation of Jehovah God.
Jesus is the beginning of creation of God",because we don't REMOVE 1980 from the beginning of Nigeria winning AFCON
Oga, just continue deceiving yourself.

Without Him(Jesus) NOTHING was CREATED.

ALL THINGS were CREATED by Jesus

The screenshot attached proves that the word ARCHE means RULER, CHIEF, ORIGIN

So, come with another lie, I'm here to debunk them all

Janosky:
Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you rejects Me; and whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”
does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 15:23
Whoever hates Me hates My Father as well.

John 13:20
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever receives the one I send receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives the One who sent Me.”

As whoever receives the one Jesus sent also receives Jesus .
Likewise ,whoever honours the Father Yahweh also honours Jesus sent by Yahweh.


Jesus teaching of John 13:16 & Luke 10:16 is the proper view about John 5:23.
Honour your Father as you honour your mother,honour God as you honour Jesus.
Oga,no add your opinion to the holy scriptures.

He has run away from the post he was asked to address.

My simple questions are:

1. How do you honor Jehovah?

2. Are you Honoring Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

All the verses you quoted never mentioned HONORING anyone JUST AS you honor Jehovah.

Janosky:
Let me ask you 2 questions.
Did Genesis in your bible call Satan a serpent?

IN THE BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the Earth.

You can't spin this.

Your own Bible , Colossians 1:18, says" Jesus is the firstborn from the dead " meaning that Jesus was never dead?

Repeating this lie won't make it truth and against God's word and history.

Jesus died on the CROSS, how can you say Jesus NEVER DIED?

or You mean Jesus will never DIE AGAIN?

Colossians 1:15, therefore Jesus is the firstborn of every creature",infact the beginning of the creation of God.

What is BEGINS GOD'S CREATION IS HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

And Jesus Created ALL THINGS according to the Scripture.

Christendom deceiving all of una . [/b]

While Watchtower brainwashed you.
Reason why the people behind NWT have to fraudulently inserted the word OTHER in Col 1 multiple times to distort God's word.

Janosky:
Silly position.
Firstborn @ Colossians 1:18 meaning that Jesus was never dead?

Someone who died on the cross!

Is your brain paining you

Jesus is firstborn at Colossians 1:18 reverts back to the genuine meaning of firstborn at Colossians 1:15, Jesus is a firstborn creature of God his ancestor.
Period..

Meaning of first born is POSITION/HIGH RANK not FIRST CREATED.

Jesus has an Ancestor

Emusan does God Yahweh has Ancestor?
Open your heart to the truth
No let trinity deceive you .

So, who is that ANCESTOR?

Ancestor means the same NATURE.

Are you an Ancestor to a Goat or Pig?

It's not SENIOR again

achorladey:
Loooooool, it is that long winding post marketing his religious organisation as usual that can cover it up or deflect the discussion to something else.

He does that to shift focus from the main point.

It's deliberate

See the below....

Where am I heading to........

They stated....

In 1954 they are no longer called bible students, they are properly known as Jehovah's witnesses. Their members will read it and think Jehovah's witnesses never believed Jesus is God and did not teach it.

To even know that their charter retained it for that long since 1954 shows how the lies and manipulations works.

I'm waiting for Jano to respond to my questions

You can even see that those Bible students actually obeyed Jesus command by Honoring Him JUST AS they Honor Jehovah.

But for Watchtower to deceive them after noticing the level of Honor given to Jesus, they have to blackmail them.

Drsmartphilips:
Let us wait for wetin okonkwo we achieve

Did Okonkwo sue PO or I didn't understand the news?

bewla:
he doesn't have the resources to do that can you help out

I don't have money as Tinubu has rendered me jobless.

Drsmartphilips:
obi wey dey steal ndc money, okonkwo was right

You can sue him to court for that.

Abi you don't want him to be jailed for stealing?

Emu4life:
The alternatives are not any better.
Atiku?? Obi

No Hope!!

You're wrong!

Obi will do far better than Tinubu.

You people should stop this no alternative.

Baba Tinubu was a failure since Lagos day.

achorladey:
The purpose of why you cannot respond to the question is the below from your post....

In another form you are telling us Jesus should be honoured like the father

You can see how he stylishly dodged the point by writing epistle that was never asked him

He claimed JWs are the one honoring Jesus the most.

But the question was, do you honor Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

achorladey:
One cannot forget the below from their publications.

See where the manipulation spring up from.

Jesus requested for the same HONOR given to Jehovah

But they want to change mouth that worship isn't HONOR

Just imagine that

Janosky:
Honour is not worship,pls stop deceiving yourself.
Don't even equate it together,no nau.

Okay, I'll not equate it only if you can honestly answer these questions.

How do you honor Jehovah?

Are you Honoring Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

"Honour your mother as you honour your Father." does not dilute or remove the hierarchy arrangement in heaven.
1 Corinthians 11:3 hierarchy principle debunks your interpretation of John 5:23.
"Worship ONLY Yahweh," (Matt 4:10) this is the instruction Jesus gave you.
Emphasis on "ONLY" at Matt 4:10 means DON'T ADD another person to worship.

Provide answer to above questions before we move to this first.

Janosky:
Is that what Jesus taught Emusan ?

Oga,bring the Bible verse make we see am.

Now, you're asking

You claimed Father means SENIOR, didn't you?

If Father means SENIOR, then Senior must be of the same NATURE.

If you disagree, then are you a senior to Goat or Pig?

Simple question.

Janosky:
Colossians 1:15 , Jesus is the firstborn of every creature",says your Bible not Janosky

Yes!

Do you have problem with that?

The key question is this:
Oga, is the first born of every child ALWAYS a child?

FIRSTBORN here means PREEMINENCE/HIGHEST POSITION

This is about POSITION

Paul himself clarified this in the same chapter verse 18 'To that in ALL THINGS he might be the PREEMINENCE'

If Jesus is the first created which no scripture supported then Paul is wrong here.

This is the vital question that settles the correct meaning of Colossians 1:15 without any bias.

Your question already dealt with

It's your turn to respond to my own question.

The pertinent questions for you Sir is;

Did your own Bible ever say " ALL things are from the Son?

ALL THINGS ARE BY THE SON

I know you'll quickly change BY here to THROUGH but you already exposed yourself.

Romans 11:35-36, Oga who came through the Father /Ancestor?

Is Ancestor not means the same NATURE?

At least you agreed The Father is Jesus Ancestor/Senior

Meanwhile, Romans 11:35-36 says ALL THINGS ARE FROM GOD. Jesus is God don't forget.

Janosky:
Emusan, why are you deceiving yourself .
In the screenshot,Emusan What is the meaning of Father @ Revelation 3:21?
Does Father in your Bible meaning Ancestor /Senior?

Ancestor/Senior can only be of the same NATURE/SOURCE

Are you and Ancestor/Senior to goat or pig?

Do you agree that God and Jesus have the NATURE the reason why God Senior Jesus?

Psalm 90:1-2,Did your own Bible teach you that God Yahweh has Origin?

Origin I use is for NATURE.

So, answer my questions above.

Janosky:
Oga, why you no dey study your own Bible ?

The clear difference between me and you shows how we use God's word to support our claim. It means I study God's word more than you.

Jesus Christ is teaching you that @ Revelation 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God"

No! You people always change 'BY' to 'THROUGH' substitute each and see that your claim isn't following the context.

'Jesus is the Beginning of the creation through God'

That is why, no known scholar ever translated that in such way.

And the best rendering is 'He is the ORIGIN/SOURCE/ARCHE of God's creation'

Oga , go and learn the meaning of Revelation, it seems you don't know.

Of course, you can put forth the meaning here and let's figure it out together.

Revelation 3:14, Jesus is " the beginning of the Creation by THROUGH God" was not revealed in Genesis 1:1.
Genesis 1:1 & Revelation 3:14 confirmed that God created ,not Jesus.

See where the manipulation started
So, you mean God lied in Genesis that what He created IN THE BEGINNING Was not Jesus

Just continue.

Thereafter , open your Bible to Revelation 3:14. Jesus is the beginning of the creation by THROUGH God because God created the Universe (Heaven and Earth,Genesis 1:1) through BY his son, Hebrew 1:2.

Now, see how the word you are hiding exposed you.
You used 'BY' for God but when it gets to the Son(JESUS) you used THROUGH when in fact both mean the same thing.

I keep saying it, if not because you people are very dishonest, to be brainwashed by Watchtower will be so difficult.

So, Rev 3:14 isn't that Jesus is the FIRST CREATED BEING.

Jesus created the Universe (heaven and earth). IS NOT in your Bible, not in any verse

But without Jesus NOTHING WAS MADE.

By the was, you just confirmed above that Jesus is the Creator if you can honestly use 'BY' appropriately.

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
If you truly want to use Scripture to interpret Scripture, then you must accept the verses where Jesus explicitly claims the honors due only to Almighty God. In John 5:23, Jesus states that the Father's will is *"that all may honor the Son **just as** they honor the Father."* Ask yourself: is it scriptural to honor a mere prophet or a created "worshiper" in the exact same way you honor Almighty God? If you give a creature the exact same honor, worship, and devotion that you give to the Creator, you are committing blatant idolatry according to your own doctrine. Yet Jesus commands it, because He and the Father are one in essence.

This particular statement here is what they usually use style to push aside whenever you raise it.

No creature can demand the SAME HONOUR given to God. As our service, Worship and praise are how will honor God.

Now, ask them have they been HONORING JESUS JUST AS THEY HONOR GOD?

You'll see the narration taking another dimension instantly.

MythicalGnosis:
Why would a spiritual idea be labeled heresy?

Think about it.

If people believe they need someone else to connect them to God, institutions gain power.

But if people discover that the divine is already within them…

Everything changes.

This is why certain ancient Gnostic teachings became some of the most controversial ideas in religious history.

They taught that the Kingdom wasn’t a place you travel to.

It was something you awaken to.

And that idea challenged everything.

The question is:

Would this message still be considered dangerous today?

If you’ve ever felt there’s more to spirituality than what you’ve been told, this video is for you.

👉 Watch now and decide for yourself: The Church Called This Heresy Because It Proves God Was Never Outside You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLbM6yvp4w0

The answer may be closer than you’ve been led to believe

Heresy comes from Greek word "Hairesis" meaning 'Making a choice' so from this you should understand why it's called HERESY and not a SPIRITUAL IDEA.

Anything spiritual (about Yahweh) must come from Him. So, any other ideas or a choice making outside what Yahweh reveals isn't SPIRITUAL IDEA but contrary ideas.

So, many doctrines that the early Christians rejected i.e Jesus is Angel Micheal or Jesus is not God are outrightly called HERESY because it's not from Jesus nor from the Father.

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Whether a church has 400,000 members, 4 million members, or 40 million members does not determine whether its teachings are true.

Of course, I know this but I'm just telling you the reason he is so upset with church name.

That if you tell him the name of the church you worship with and it's not under Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Olukoya e.t.c he'll still keep on asking you.

Like you rightly said, any claim is to be torchlight with the scripture and any claim that failed to meet scripture isn't to be accepted.

achorladey:
Loooooool! I tire oooo.

I was looking back at some of the discussions on various threads I joined only to find so many post that are hidden. I was like, what's going on?

I never knew it was the same attention seeker that blocked me.

Yesterday while going through the thread I saw his post then went back to my profile page and his profile page, I found out the block prompt was backed

Later he will deny that he didn't block me at all. I guess he must dished out imaginable lies and manipulations while he blocked me so I don't get to debunk them😂😂😂😂

When I caught him spying on my posts with one of his monikers (which I believe that's what he does to others too) despite being boastful of how our posts has no impact on him. Since then, I discovered he has stopped blocking me but I don't even have his time.

The truth is, he knows people who can have indepth discussion with him and he'll gain something are the ones he keeps blocking that's why he's going back to his vomit.

achorladey:
You are tired of blocking me abi? That your itching fingers can quote and mention me now.

When I told you the name of my church why were you so bittered about it that up till today you are yet to answer my questions in a concrete manner about Psalms 1:1?

MaxInDHouse are you happy based on Psalms 1:1?

So after lying that he will never block any ex-JWs, he still blocked you.

Well I know he's never a man of his own word sha

achorladey:
To the bold...

Ask Cornelboy abi na Cornelgirl

The attention seeker needs my attention so badly now.

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
The issue is not whether someone can name a church. The issue is whether your conclusion follows from the Scriptures.

Just know that he is not even interested in the NAME of your church but just wants you to be associated with a name like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Oyakelome, TB Joshua, Suleman, Eneche, Ibiyemo e.t.c

because under Pentecostal there are many church names you can never know to ever exist and the same with Anglican. So, when he asked you to be asking people's church name. Just know he wants you to mention that you're a follower of one big church name in Nigeria as it's a great disgrace to Watchtower achievement in Nigeria.

Jehovah Witness are over 100 years in Nigeria with about 400k members yet most churches that spring up years after them have more members than them, this is the beginning of the agony.

ola20ng:
Kidnapping has nothing to do with Islam. Kidnapping has been in Nigeria for ages and people from all tribes and religions are involved. Many of them have been arrested in the past.

The fulanis just discovered the lucrative business and took it to another level. They are doing it for money and nothing else. Fulanis are not that religious especially the nomads. They know nothing about Islam. They are just Muslims by birth. They don't normally go to school nor Islamic madrasa.

You people just need to stop attaching Islam to kidnapping. Muslims are being kidnapped also but you chose what fit your narrative

Who are you to make that statement?

Well the below pic is for people like you.

You can keep pretending to be a good Muslim but those who are using Islam to their advantage will just be laughing at you.

ola20ng:
You and VDK are not serious and you are at the same time fueling religious war.

Don't worry it will soon clear in your eyes.

Before, if you are told that terrorists will be kidnapping and beheading people in South West, you'll say it's a lie but today, it's happening right in front of your eyes.

I remember when people in the south are always advised we in the North to stay safe. Now, we in the North have used to it as we're now the one advising people down south to stay safe.

Look at these pictures below and read it slowly if you're in doubt

achorladey:
Loooooool to the bold. Una no go unalive person for here

And Mr Jano couldn't answer my question

achorladey:
That guy dey act like one Michael547. You bet they are masters of rolling out monikers of various kinds on nairaland and they point fingers at others over their cunning ways

It's the same guy with another moniker Truth something something

It's one of his loudmouthed brothers that burst that cover up