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See your life outside.

Why you didn't have that boldness to answer my question.

Janosky:
Emusan have agreed he honor your mother as you honor your Father.

I never deny this in the first place.

So you Honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Jesus who told Emusan to honor God his Father as Emusan honor Jesus, did Jesus at John 13:16 & John 14:28 teach Emusan that God is greater than Jesus his Son?
Yes.

The simple question you're dodging is this,

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Emusan wants to be in conflict against Jesus teachings.

Jesus teaches "that ALL MEN (including Janosky) should honor Him JUST AS they Honor His Father" this is not my teaching.

Do you obey this by Honoring Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Very simple question.

Only you know the reason why you can't answer this simple question

Janosky:
Do you agree that insertion of "OTHER" in your own Bible at Luke 13:2 is dubious?

Firstly, OTHER is not in the original language.

So, inserting that is a fraudulent act.

This is KJV and I didn't see the word OTHER in Luke 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

Oga, do you agree that insertion of "THE" in first sentence of John 1:1a is dubious in your own Bible?

You have been hiding under this to dodge the main point.

Anyways, you started this by saying [b]"BY" wasn't in Rev 3:14 and I asked you where did translator of NWT see it before adding it?

You pretended as if you didn't see it now jumping around again

Pls ,make time to upgrade your comprehension skills ,for your own good.

I understand, after dodging my points which excuse do you have again?

Oga, you no know your Bible & you rush to type wetin you NO kwow.
Go to Mounce Colossians 1:18 and receive sense.

Provide the screenshot from Mounce Col 1:18 if you have the chest to bore the truth.

Oga,you misunderstand this statement of Colossians 1:18:
HE(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST...

You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

So, HE MIGHT BECOME now has another meaning

When lie got exposed

Oga, is the word BORN in that sentence you bolded?
No.

So that He(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME who is FIRST in EVERYTHING.

Key words:
1. MIGHT BECOME (which means Jesus wasn't in that state before
2. FIRST IN EVERYTHING (this includes CREATION) which means if Jesus was the first to be created then it doesn't make any sense for Him to BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING AGAIN.

" He might become first is NOT the same as FIRSTBORN.

Good! So, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRST IN EVERYTHING?

This alone, shows He was NOT THE FIRST CREATURE rather He is the Creator.

Oga,in the screenshots is PROTEUO the same as PROTOTOKUS?
How can you receive the blessing of firstborn if you are not a creature/child?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

It's not today, I've been lecturing you on Prototokus in fact that is the reason why your claim of FIRSTBORN being FIRST CREATURE fell flat.

There's word for FIRST CREATED which Paul didn't use but He used FIRSTBORN to shows Jesus is PREEMINENCE over creation.

Have you removed the word OTHER fraudulently inserted by NWT in Col 1:16-18?

Janosky:
Oga, Luke 10:16 & John 12:49-50,Jesus have proven you do not honor him nor his Father,Yahweh .

If you did obedience to his teaching in the gospels will be your priority.
You don't even believe in Luke 10:16 & John 12:49-50.

I asked you simple question you're running awa from it.

Jesus made that commandment not me.

Janosky, where do you put your brain.

"so that all may honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father..." - John 5:23 NWT

Or I wrote this!

Now, do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Simple question

Janosky:
Jehovah commanded you to honor your mom and Dad
Emusan,do you HONOR Jehovah by doing so to your Mom and Dad?

Yes! I agreed.

But did Jehovah command you to honor your Dad and Mum JUST AS you honor Him?

That is the question you haven't answered since.

because of you do, your pack of lies will fall flat.

John 14:28, Jesus said 'the Father is greater than I am".

Emusan , at John 14:28 & John 13:16, did Jesus agree with your claim?

Jesus said you must HONOR Him JUST AS you Honor His Father.

Janosky, you must RESPECT Emusan JUST AS you respect your father.

Oga,you wan write your own Bible .
Pls ,stop deceiving yourself.

No! Jesus commanded you to Honor Him JUST AS you Honor His Father.

I didn't write that.

The question now is, do you Honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Janosky:
Janosky post
"God created the spiritual realm first (Heaven) before".

God Created spiritual realm first, ALL the beings in heaven including Jesus the firstborn of God.

So, ALL THE BEINGS IN HEAVEN including Jesus were CREATED FIRST.

So, why are you lying that Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE?

It's evident that you're confused

Can you still remember that your Bible Luke 2:7 calls "Jesus the firstborn of Mary?"
"Firstborn of Mary" is NOT Preeminence.
It means Firstborn of Mary as the Firstborn of every creature of God @ Colossians 1:15 is ALWAYS a creature. .[/quote]You claimed the hosts of heaven are created FIRST including Jesus.

Which means Heaven itself is created before the host were CREATED.

So, which one come first?

1. Heaven
2. The hosts
3. Jesus

Janosky:

Emusan screenshot brought the bible hub evidence that
ARKHE word origin from G756 lexicon, meaning "To BEGIN."

Oga,ARKHE is not Ruler ,not Originator and other gbogbotigbo lies you are claiming on this thread

But you lied that ARCHE doesn't mean RULER.

Why are you changing mouth now?

Janosky:
Oga, your screenshot says God is the Creator agreement with Hebrew 1:2.

But ,you are falsely claiming it's Jesus

Jesus is God.

Or your full brain didn't know that.

Emusan you brought Biblehib evidence that ARKHE means To BEGIN (from G756 lexicon.
Confirming that Jesus is the beginning of creation since ARKHE at Rev 3:14 is Beginning.

But you lied that it doesn't mean ORIGIN/RULER

So, you can see how your lying mouth was exposed.

Jesus is THE BEGINNING confirmed by Col 1:the same thing Jehovah called Himself

Romans 7:25 gives thanks to God THROUGH Jesus Christ can not mean Give thanks to Jesus.
Therefore ,Jesus is not the creator.

Oga, go and write your own Bible & feel happy.

If Jesus isn't God you can't give Thank to God THROUGH HIM

Can you give thanks to your Dad THROUGH a goat?

You can't even do that through Angel.

You already implicated yourself by saying Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN

Now, you left my post without addressing but only to be doing hide and seek

Who was Jesus before BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

You can't run away from that question.

Janosky:
In your kjv for example , Genesis 49:3, Luke 2:7 & Colossians 1:15, firstborn is NOT Preeminence rather Firstborn creature.

"Firstborn of every creature " this expression is very simple as it is.
Firstborn is a creature first and foremost

FIRSTBORN is PREEMINENCE as Paul himself said so.

Why will you continue to deny God's word?

If Col 1:15 iput Jesus as FIRST CREATURE then verses 16-17 is wrong for saying Jesus is the Creator.

Reason why your NWT dubiously inserted the word 'OTHER' multiple times.

Remove those dubious words OTHER from below 16-17 and see how your lies fall flat.

because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things, and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18  and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things - Col 1:16-18 NWT

Only a dubious person can do such a thing.

Vs 18 then concluded it by saying "...so that he might become the one who is first in all things

If Jesus was the first creature as you lied, then there's no need of this text saying HE(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST...

BioData45:
Nigeria leaders left the group. They would rather ask for another 4 years to see whether they can perform.

You're wrong they don't ask for another 4 years to KNOW WHETHER THEY CAN PERFORM.

They already knew they're failure, they just need more years for looting and hanging on to power.

Janosky:
Oga, upgrade your comprehension skills if you love yourself.
The beginning of God's creation"
is the the same meaning as
" the beginning of the creation by God."

The creation is attributed to the God Almighty.
@Rev 3:14,The creation is NOT attributed to Jesus.

Simple question

Where did you see BY if it was not there in the original?

Janosky:
1.Yes.
JW's honour Jehovah by copying the example Jesus gave us to sworship Jehovah the only true God.
Luke 10:16, JW's listen to Jesus ,the only means to honour Jehovah.
We wont do what Jesus friend but comply as Jesus did ,John 12:49-50.
For instance ,we have faith in Jesus & have faith in Jehovah, the only true God of Jesus Christ.
John 14:1, John 17:3.

You haven't answered my question.

DO YOU HONOR JESUS JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

That is what Jesus asked you to do not me.

2.
Oga, use your sense nau.
Do you honour your Father and dishonour your mother?
Give your Father the same honour you give your mother nau.

That is what I do. I gave my Dad and my mum the SAME HONOR because they were both HUMAN CREATED BY GOD but it will be another issue if I gave one among them THE SAME HONOR GIVEN TO GOD.

Do you agree?

But why can't you say I should give my father or my mother THE SAME HONOR I give Jehovah?

You see where the problem lies, for Jesus to demand THE SAME HONOR given to the Father means Jesus was placing Himself in the same level of the Father.

Do you agree?

Janosky:
Yes. Nothing to spin.

God created the spiritual realm first (Heaven) before creation of the Earth (physical realm).
Genesis is the first book of your Bible.
At the last book of the bible (Revelation), the God gave Jesus the Revelation (of things not mentioned in Genesis ) that in Chapter 3 verse 14, Jesus "is the Chief (first ) creation of God"

I just love this your reply today, because they so much worthy of evidences against yourself.

Look at the underlined word in color sentence.

So, you know HEAVEN is what God CREATED FIRST yet still find a way of putting Jesus INTO THAT FIRST.

Or your FIRST now has different meaning

Are you making any sense like that?

ARKHE word origin fromG 756 lexicon, meaning "To begin"
Not ruler,not source & all the lies from Emusan.
Case concluded with Emusan screenshot evidence.

Now, the screenshot I pulled off from Biblehub has suddenly become my lie.

Why didn't you call Biblehub lie? because you know you'll still sneak there to find whatever suits you later

Janosky:
Greek DIA ( Mounce Greek Interlinear screenshot of John 1:3.) meaning "By means of ", THROUGH ".
John 1:3, THROUGH Jesus , " by means of Jesus".
John 1:3, Hebrew 1:2, God created Universe through Jesus.

And to your fable mind, the person THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED THROUGH IS ALSO part of that same UNIVERSE.

So, you Agreed that Jesus was NEVER PART OF THE CREATED UNIVERSE.

That ends everything.

Greek DIA = Agency , instrumentality,Medium NOT Creator.
Romans 7:25 is the perfect example to debunk your lies.

" Thanks to God THROUGH Jesus our Lord.",Romans 7:25.


Oga, are you thanking Jesus at Romans 7:25?

Pls stop deceiving yourself, Jesus is not the creator.

You must REMOVE Romans 7:25 to believe your spurious claim

It means Jesus was THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

Abi can something come THROUGH YOU and YOUR NOT THE FOUNDER?

Again, you just confirmed that Jesus was never part of the UNIVERSE.

UNIVERSE IS THE WHOLE CREATION.

I know you'll shift the goal post again.

But see the screenshot below.

Janosky:
This guy self.
Pls don't post anything you don't understand.
Pls upgrade your comprehension , abeg you .

Can you imagine this.

Did you claim on this thread that JESUS NEVER DIED?

Janosky:
Nah you write am there "multiple times to distort God's word?"
Just asking you,pls reply .

Is the same word OTHER inserted in your own Bible at Luke 13:2 ?

Have you Removed OTHER from your own Bible at Luke 13:2?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
go and rest jare. [/b]

I can't remove any word from any translation because I never claim any translation as mine.

In other word, ALL TRANSLATIONS inserted what they like and NWT isn't exempted.

That's right.

Janosky:
God the Father is your ancestor means the same Nature you have ?

This guy self.

You are on your own

Sorry, you mean you and Jehovah have the same NATURE?

I can see you didn't answer my question.

Janosky:
Oga, are you willing to learn,relearn & unlearn?

From who?

Is Yahweh a first born at any time ?
No.

This is because you treat FIRSTBORN as you wish not as how scripture used it.

Remember, Watchtower claimed Jehovah is the CHIEF PRINCE

Also, Yahweh is THE BEGINNING, do you know what that means?

Oga,what happened before Jesus BECAME the firstborn from the dead" @Colossians 1:18?
Jesus died & was the first resurrected never to die again.

"NEVER TO DIE AGAIN..." is different from Jesus NEVER DIED.

I guess you miss English class earlier.

What happened BEFORE Jesus BECAME the first born of every creature of God @ Collosians 1:15?
Jesus himself is first creature of God.
Yahweh our heavenly Ancestor (Father) created Jesus his firstborn Son.

I have to CAPITALIZE that "BEFORE" because that's where your problem lies.

If Jesus BECAME FIRSTBORN who was He before BECOMING FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATURE?

If you can answer this without putting yourself into more confusion, then you'll begin to see from the len Paul was talking about.

David was appointed first born.
Was David a creature ?
Yes

What you did here is just one thing.

Strictly agreed that word FIRSTBORN wasn't about FIRST CREATED (which is not) but you won't still agree with yourself.

If people can be APPOINTED AS FIRSTBORN then it means the word isn't about FIRST CREATURE but Position.

Anything Jesus received corresponds with the experience he underwent.

Good. This is a word on THE MARBLE but only if you know the implications.

Which means the word FIRSTBORN wasn't about FIRST CREATURE but something ACQUIRED along the way.

Do you see how you implicated yourself now?

But that Watchtower shackles won't still fell from your eyes after this.

Janosky:
Let's itemize the lies in your post & highlight them.

With your disjointed sentences.

With the number of years you've spent on Nairaland, you still don't know how to properly items your points in a clear and readable way.

Oga, you don't.
One evidence is that your expression "THROUGH God" (Greek DIA) is not in Rev 3:14.
Oga,your claim is false.

So, where did you see BY that you always inserted into Rev 3:14 to make it read '...the beginning of the Creation BY God'?

This is another evidence that you always injecting into God's word as it suits you.

By the way, see the screenshot below for the meaning of the word ARCHE as used in Rev 3:14. I know the reason you ran away from Biblehub this time around is because ti doesn't suit your narrative.

Screenshot evidence Greek DIA definition is "THROUGH, by means of" , for example John 1:3.

So, why do you switch in-between BY & THROUGH as you like?

Is that not dishonesty?

Screenshot evidence: ARKHE meaning Beginning at Rev 3:14.
Not Origin/Source.

See the attached screenshot for the meaning of ARCHE.

You dubiously ran away from Biblehub this time because ti exposed your lies

"Through God" is not in any Greek manuscript of Rev 3:14.
Emusan invented that

This is how you have been quoting Rev 3:14
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God"

Which is the same way NWT also put it.

Now, where did you and the translator of NWT see the word BY in Revelation?

You don't know you just exposed your organization the more.

But,
"The beginning of the creation of (or by) God". Very correct.

So, where did (OR BY) come from?

Oga, with evidences of (1) to (4), Emusan your claim is not true.
"1980 is the beginning of Nigeria winning AFCON titles".
Oga, does it mean that 1980 is not among Nigeria winning AFCON?
No.

I don't even know the sense you're trying to make here.

Therefore,Jesus is a creation of Jehovah God.
Jesus is the beginning of creation of God",because we don't REMOVE 1980 from the beginning of Nigeria winning AFCON
Oga, just continue deceiving yourself.

Without Him(Jesus) NOTHING was CREATED.

ALL THINGS were CREATED by Jesus

The screenshot attached proves that the word ARCHE means RULER, CHIEF, ORIGIN

So, come with another lie, I'm here to debunk them all

Janosky:
Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you rejects Me; and whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”
does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 15:23
Whoever hates Me hates My Father as well.

John 13:20
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever receives the one I send receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives the One who sent Me.”

As whoever receives the one Jesus sent also receives Jesus .
Likewise ,whoever honours the Father Yahweh also honours Jesus sent by Yahweh.


Jesus teaching of John 13:16 & Luke 10:16 is the proper view about John 5:23.
Honour your Father as you honour your mother,honour God as you honour Jesus.
Oga,no add your opinion to the holy scriptures.

He has run away from the post he was asked to address.

My simple questions are:

1. How do you honor Jehovah?

2. Are you Honoring Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

All the verses you quoted never mentioned HONORING anyone JUST AS you honor Jehovah.

Janosky:
Let me ask you 2 questions.
Did Genesis in your bible call Satan a serpent?

IN THE BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the Earth.

You can't spin this.

Your own Bible , Colossians 1:18, says" Jesus is the firstborn from the dead " meaning that Jesus was never dead?

Repeating this lie won't make it truth and against God's word and history.

Jesus died on the CROSS, how can you say Jesus NEVER DIED?

or You mean Jesus will never DIE AGAIN?

Colossians 1:15, therefore Jesus is the firstborn of every creature",infact the beginning of the creation of God.

What is BEGINS GOD'S CREATION IS HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

And Jesus Created ALL THINGS according to the Scripture.

Christendom deceiving all of una . [/b]

While Watchtower brainwashed you.
Reason why the people behind NWT have to fraudulently inserted the word OTHER in Col 1 multiple times to distort God's word.

Janosky:
Silly position.
Firstborn @ Colossians 1:18 meaning that Jesus was never dead?

Someone who died on the cross!

Is your brain paining you

Jesus is firstborn at Colossians 1:18 reverts back to the genuine meaning of firstborn at Colossians 1:15, Jesus is a firstborn creature of God his ancestor.
Period..

Meaning of first born is POSITION/HIGH RANK not FIRST CREATED.

Jesus has an Ancestor

Emusan does God Yahweh has Ancestor?
Open your heart to the truth
No let trinity deceive you .

So, who is that ANCESTOR?

Ancestor means the same NATURE.

Are you an Ancestor to a Goat or Pig?

It's not SENIOR again

achorladey:
Loooooool, it is that long winding post marketing his religious organisation as usual that can cover it up or deflect the discussion to something else.

He does that to shift focus from the main point.

It's deliberate

See the below....

Where am I heading to........

They stated....

In 1954 they are no longer called bible students, they are properly known as Jehovah's witnesses. Their members will read it and think Jehovah's witnesses never believed Jesus is God and did not teach it.

To even know that their charter retained it for that long since 1954 shows how the lies and manipulations works.

I'm waiting for Jano to respond to my questions

You can even see that those Bible students actually obeyed Jesus command by Honoring Him JUST AS they Honor Jehovah.

But for Watchtower to deceive them after noticing the level of Honor given to Jesus, they have to blackmail them.

Drsmartphilips:
Let us wait for wetin okonkwo we achieve

Did Okonkwo sue PO or I didn't understand the news?

bewla:
he doesn't have the resources to do that can you help out

I don't have money as Tinubu has rendered me jobless.

Drsmartphilips:
obi wey dey steal ndc money, okonkwo was right

You can sue him to court for that.

Abi you don't want him to be jailed for stealing?

Emu4life:
The alternatives are not any better.
Atiku?? Obi

No Hope!!

You're wrong!

Obi will do far better than Tinubu.

You people should stop this no alternative.

Baba Tinubu was a failure since Lagos day.

achorladey:
The purpose of why you cannot respond to the question is the below from your post....

In another form you are telling us Jesus should be honoured like the father

You can see how he stylishly dodged the point by writing epistle that was never asked him

He claimed JWs are the one honoring Jesus the most.

But the question was, do you honor Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

achorladey:
One cannot forget the below from their publications.

See where the manipulation spring up from.

Jesus requested for the same HONOR given to Jehovah

But they want to change mouth that worship isn't HONOR

Just imagine that

Janosky:
Honour is not worship,pls stop deceiving yourself.
Don't even equate it together,no nau.

Okay, I'll not equate it only if you can honestly answer these questions.

How do you honor Jehovah?

Are you Honoring Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

"Honour your mother as you honour your Father." does not dilute or remove the hierarchy arrangement in heaven.
1 Corinthians 11:3 hierarchy principle debunks your interpretation of John 5:23.
"Worship ONLY Yahweh," (Matt 4:10) this is the instruction Jesus gave you.
Emphasis on "ONLY" at Matt 4:10 means DON'T ADD another person to worship.

Provide answer to above questions before we move to this first.

Janosky:
Is that what Jesus taught Emusan ?

Oga,bring the Bible verse make we see am.

Now, you're asking

You claimed Father means SENIOR, didn't you?

If Father means SENIOR, then Senior must be of the same NATURE.

If you disagree, then are you a senior to Goat or Pig?

Simple question.

Janosky:
Colossians 1:15 , Jesus is the firstborn of every creature",says your Bible not Janosky

Yes!

Do you have problem with that?

The key question is this:
Oga, is the first born of every child ALWAYS a child?

FIRSTBORN here means PREEMINENCE/HIGHEST POSITION

This is about POSITION

Paul himself clarified this in the same chapter verse 18 'To that in ALL THINGS he might be the PREEMINENCE'

If Jesus is the first created which no scripture supported then Paul is wrong here.

This is the vital question that settles the correct meaning of Colossians 1:15 without any bias.

Your question already dealt with

It's your turn to respond to my own question.

The pertinent questions for you Sir is;

Did your own Bible ever say " ALL things are from the Son?

ALL THINGS ARE BY THE SON

I know you'll quickly change BY here to THROUGH but you already exposed yourself.

Romans 11:35-36, Oga who came through the Father /Ancestor?

Is Ancestor not means the same NATURE?

At least you agreed The Father is Jesus Ancestor/Senior

Meanwhile, Romans 11:35-36 says ALL THINGS ARE FROM GOD. Jesus is God don't forget.