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Janosky:
The same disease resulted in the loss of two women who opted for their choice of treatment.

I don't know what your problem is.

Which means bloodless treatment isn't meant for all treatment as you people always claim in other to talk down on blood transfusion.

You see the problem now.

Trojan8:
Are you slow? Is committing suicide same thing as bombing people to ensure that you don't die alone?

Imagine trivializing suicide bombing as just ''suicide''.

Always quick to throw insult.

Where did I talk about bombing people?

Janosky:
1 Cor 11:1 & Acts 15:14-18."Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ".

Acts 15:14-18
Followers of Christ (christian) chosen to bear his Father's name (@Isaiah 43:10,21 )
Jn 17:11. "Holy Father protect (my followers on account of your Name which you have given me @Mt 12:15-18/ Isaiah 43:10,21.

Oga,is your Christmas celebration the example of Christ copied by Paul?

I know he will find a way of deflecting from the main issue.

Did bloodless treatment fail her or not?

Janosky:
You are correct.
A family friend (not JW) lost their mother to the same issue Sister Esther had.
All the pints of transfusion no change anything

But did bloodless treatment also change anything?

But the truth is, if she accepted that blood transfusion she'll still be receiving treatment by now and not in the grave

Janosky:
She did not refuse professional medical care.
She did not want transfusion.
She is an adult who exercised her fundamental rights to demand the kind of treatment she prefers.
The Medical team respected her choice , as stipulated by Medical/Legal ethics.
She is a conscientious woman who stayed faithful to her beliefs.
It's sad we lost her to a terminal health issue.
Acts 24:15 & John 5:28, my sister the promise of Jesus Christ is faithful & reassuring.

Now, he has changed mouth.

At first, you people were shouting BLOODLESS TREATMENT is the best.

For refusing blood transfusion and go for bloodless treatment, will you agree that bloodless treatment failed her as you people always claim blood transfusion also failed?

See him even quoting Bible for the dead.

Can she hear you?

Eniolohunda:
Most of you are just noise makers and shallow minded! Peace out.

By asking simple questions bah...

Eniolohunda:
I don't argue with people who don't open their mind to learn, people who don't want to respect other people opinions. I have nursed many patient who wouldn't take blood and they survived without blood transfusions, likewise, many people have been transfused and still die.

Nobody asked you to argue with anyone.

You posted something and you got a reply, why can't you answer those questions?

Do you respect opinion of those who committed suicide?

Why can't you commit suicide since you know death is coming to everyone?

Janosky:
I am a Christian , I follow Jesus who did not worship 3 persons.

Now that this lady has died.

I thought you people will start the bloodless treatment for her immediately she refused blood transfusion or was the bloodless treatment also failed?

Eniolohunda:
Most comments in the first page are horrible, As if they can control death. Every soul shall taste death at different times, whether she was transfused or not, if its her time to die she cannot escape death. How many people have been transfused and still die? RIP to her.

Why do you treat malaria and not allow it to kill you?

Why do you tiding up your environment and not allow germs to get into your body so that you can die?

Why do you run away when a vehicle is approaching you?

Why can't you just decide to end your own life now?

Trojan8:
So someone died based off her belief, she didn't kill anyone or harm anyone. Her decision led to her death, HER DEATH.

What is difference between suicide and this one and do you have issue with someone committing suicide?

Trustedpronet:
At least is a better way to die than disobeying what the Bible clearly warn you against. Better than all those people that their religion tell to go and kill non faith members. Is far better you kill yourself than killing others in the name of God. And who told you she will not eventually die if she took the blood then....we have seen thousands of such cases.

Where did Bible warn against blood transfusion?

MightySparrow:
You are very right, I lived in Nasarawa State . The official language seems to be Hausa. I now discovered that there were some elderly ones that didn't understand Hausa language at all.

If you go to plateau State and call a Birom man an Hausa, he can kill you.

Anytime I read something like this, one thing is always stands out "No in-depth understanding of the scripture"

muslim100:
I am more inclined to the Jehovah witness model of Jesus because it is more in-line with the Bible - not 100%.

You already shows where your misunderstanding sprouts from.

According to the Trinity - Jesus/Son == Jehovah/Father == Holy spirit, 100% God, coequal and coeternal.

The right way to put this is Jesus == Father == Holy Spirit because the name Yahweh belongs to the Three Persons. Matt 28:19

1. If Jesus was God, how is it that 4000 years of history before he was born, all the prophets sent by God (Abraham, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Noah, Moses, Daniel, Samuel, Jonah etc) never ever preached about something close to trinity. Does this mean that today we know God more than his most revered prophets?

You only know about the MAN Jesus when he became part of creation which was after those people you listed have long dead but scripture only revealed that He has being existing long before coming to earth and He was God.

2. Before the birth of Jesus, nobody among the ancient prophets or their followers ever even had any idea about the trinity, and surprisingly they had the complete Old testament - which we use to prove the trinity today!
Isn't it intriguing that (I know about trinity but Moses doesn't)?
Moses literally spoke to God face-to-face!

God's revelation has been in stages. What Adam knows isn't what Noah knew e.t.c

Abraham didn't even have the clue of God's creation processes until it was revealed to Moses

God Himself said He appeared to Abraham but not by His name YAHWEH.

3. All the verses that are used to claim that Jesus is a part of the Godhead can be debunked easily logically, why?
Is God so ambiguous in delivering speech?

If it's so, this should have happened years ago before you were even born.

But I'm glad you know there are verses that are actually say Jesus is God your only problem is that you want to debunk those verses not that there's no verse to support it.

4. 1 John 5:7 which is the ultimate verse that clearly portrays trinity as it is today has been removed from like 3 versions of the bible, verse 8 is now divided to fill the void. Doesn't this ring a bell?

They are called VERSION for a reason not MANUSCRIPTS. The reason why some translations omitted that verse from their version is purely on their own understanding. The same version can be reviewed and that verse will be found there.

5. If truly to be saved I have to believe in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, how sure am I that the ancient prophets are saved since they never believed in such. All verses in the old testament are clear "God is One". Jesus clearly says "There is one that is good, The father in Heaven".
Is Jesus really as God as the father? Or is he subordinate.

You're just mixing things up.

Jesus is God as Father and not subordinate the three MAKE up ONE GOD.

6. The bible says that "God is unchangeable, God is not a man, God is not the son of man". These are the exact descriptions used for Jesus throughout the gospels by his followers.

The same Jesus followers wrote that "Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever"

God unchangeable doesn't address God can't become man. Read that verse very well.

The full quote of that verse is "God is not a man THAT SHOULD LIE nor the Son of man that should REPENT:"

logically, this even proves that Jesus is God because Jesus never LIED NOR REPENT OF ANY SIN.

7. God is omniscient and omnipotent. There is this verse where Jesus says "No one knows the hour, not even the son, but the father". Jesus is not omniscient.

because Jesus was speaking as a Man not as God.

Let me make this clear also part of the misunderstanding about Jesus being God is to think Jesus was on earth as God. No! The scripture only revealed who was the MAN JESUS is before coming to earth.

The same Jesus followers you agreed with said their Lord and Savior" KNOWS ALL THINGS" and Jesus didn't rebuke them.

8. If Jesus is god then he has a greater God he seeks when in distress. Before the cross incident Jesus asked God for the cup to pass away from him, then while on the cross jesus said "Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani" - "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me!".
God - Jesus are two different entities that have different purposes.

These are what HUMAN DOES and Jesus was on earth AS A MAN. Don't forget!

9. The case of the Holy spirit is totally different as 8t is the weakest link in the trinity and hardest to prove to be coequal and coeternal with the father. Nothing in the Bible supports the claim.

If Holy Spirit isn't then He can't be placed in the same category with the Father & Son.

Matt 28:19; 2 Corin 13:14

10. I have read history and it clearly supports the claim that the doctrine of trinity was born and raised to perfection in the councils of Nicea and Constantinople and others in the 4th century (3 centuries after jesus was raised).
In the 1st to 3rd centuries more the absolute majority of Christians were either Arians, modalists, Unitarians or Adoptionists far from todays Trinitarian dogma. When the trinitarians made a move they made trinity mainstream. But initially it wasn't.
Popular church fathers quoted till date that are not trinitarians;
1. Ireanaeus of lyons
2. Theophilus of Antioch
3. Tertullian
4. Origen
5. Clement of Rome
6. Arius etc.

I like the way you brought the church fathers into this.

They aren't Trinitarians just as Jesus isn't A Christian. The idea of the Son and the Holy Spirit being God is well uphold by the church fathers. Do you mean they are worshipping THREE GODS or they were polytheists?

If trinity is essential for salvation, why did the early-church produce untrinitatian fathers and why does the church praise these father that were not trinitarians?

Who told you that Trinity is essential for salvation?

Many of you don't even know about Trinity you're fighting to dismiss.

Trinity is a doctrine to support the scripture that Father, Son & HOLY SPIRIT are just ONE GOD because the three are CALLED GOD and have ONLY that attributes that make God to be God.

Infact, there is no Pre-nicean (4th century after jesus) church father who preached trinity.

But they all agreed that The Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

So, tell me, are they polytheists?

11. If the Trinity is essential to knowing God correctly, then God withheld essential knowledge from Abraham, Moses, David, and Isaiah-men He called friends and spoke to directly.

You're just making this up because I've never seen where anyone says Trinity is essential to know God correctly.

Trinitarians say, the scripture reveals that The Father is God, The Son is God & The Holy Spirit is also God. So, if Yahweh is one God it means the Three must be the one that make up that ONE GOD.

If the church fathers agreed that The Son is God and The Holy Spirit is God. Do you mean they worshipped THREE GODS?

12. I have never had two 100% identical answers on "Explain the trinity" from any two trinitarians - WHY?

Pure lies whenever you people want cheap attention.

Please and please, things like "It is complex because God is complex, God is a mystery, No one can completely know God" are not answers but traps to further confirm that the trinity isn't firmly rooted in scripture.

Please all answers should be scripture based or scholarly writing not later than the 2nd century, not mere logic.

Bible called The Son God & The Holy Spirit is also called God.

Father being God isn't debatable.

To deny this simple fact is what leads many to different postulations even limited The Holy Spirit to just FORCE despite the plain person attributes given to the Holy Spirit.

And the question they will rather avoid is Was Holy Spirit created?

ceejay80s:
275watts solar with 30amp charge controller bought in 2016 when Nigeria was still giant of africa

Today with China polluted market with inferior products 450watts solar panel & 100A MPPT controller can't still be purchased by common man.

Another wicked thing in the market now is selling modified sine wave inverter and be claiming it can be used for Freezer, Fridge or TV

Antichristian2:
Who told you demon can't mention Jesus's name? Are you one?

Become a demon and find out.

You can't deny that Jesus introduced Himself to Paul.

Even "Jesus" does not recognise that name as his.

But it's the same name you have been calling Him.

Antichristian2:
Where did Jesus mentioned Paul?

In the Bible

Antichristian2:
Who confirmed Paul meeting Jesus in real time?

The same Jesus confirmed by telling His own disciples.

Antichristian2:
I just need to know how Paul recognised Jesus's voice in particular and also how he differentiated it from a demon's voice! It could be anyone's voice!

Jesus introduced Himself no demon dare utter Jesus' name in such manner and remain the same.

I love how this is going and don't run when the table turns

Joey4321:
Paul says Jesus appeared to him - source Paul

No! Others confirmed Paul's teachings and Paul's message is in line with Jesus very own teachings.

Sirmwill:
Paul and Mohammed

That comparison is of two parallel lines

I know.

I'm just after their personal claims

Antichristian2:
These doesn't show he was among the Pharisees Jesus met while alive. Paul was a Popular figure! Even Luke was Paul's guy, never wrote anything about his master Paul meeting Jesus for once!

Being a Pharisee does not make Paul know Jesus.

I can be going on the road somewhere in Lagos today and claim a voice called me and i saw a bright light....Will that be Jesus too?

Since you can do this, this means the best way to know if Paul was actually called by Jesus is to look at the instructions given to Paul and the message Paul preached in parallel to Jesus own message and the Apostles.

Then we can extend the same to Muhammad because muhammad only made a claim like that of Paul.

dollytino4real:
i 4 got but i go search now

Waiting for it!

Janosky:

Your opinion remains your opinion.

It is not true.

Are you a Christian?

Janosky:
For your mind, you assume you made comment.
But your comment is not true.
No dey deceive yourself.

So are you a Christian?

Janosky:
Your claim does not co-relate.
Did any JW's preferred form of treatment infringe on your own fundamental rights?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

It does.

The point is, everyone has a choice!

Many Ex-JWs have narrated how the death of their love ones due to refusal of blood transfusion has caused set back to their families.

So, you can't dictate how choices affected individuals, it's only the one who wears the shoe knows where it pitching him/her.

Janosky:
Direct your question to blueAgent,your fellow Trinity believer.
He has a lot to teach you about Phil 2:6.
He said your claims not true.

So you don't have the courage to take up the challenge

dollytino4real:
God is against anything dat has to do with blood in Leviticus i go find am small small n reply u

Smile... I'm waiting for your reply!

But remember the key point here is that "God is against ANYTHING that has to do with BLOOD"

bitbybit123:
You obviously did not understand the issue you commented about. Jehovah's witnesses do not reject medical treatment, in fact they are people who believes that medical treatments, and style of living as required by God can prevent lots of health problems BUT they do not take blood based on God's commandment and research have also shown that Blood transfusion is not the best form of treatment as it comes with side effects, there are alternatives that can be taken that are more effective but because many doctors are lazy and inexperienced they do not want to explore the alternatives so they prefer quick solution which will not allow them to use their brains.
Read more about Blood transfusion, its side effects and alternatives.

Are you a doctor yourself?

Where did God give the command to not take blood transfusion?

The alternatives you're talking about is it 100% with no side effects?

tommy589:
When Hiv was still undiscovered,have you giving it a thought that people got infected through blood transfusion and died of Aids unknowingly .

I am not religious but what I know is the every situation comes with good and bad outcome,or no outcome

Before this your conclusion on good and bad.

You have to look at the ratio

What is the ratio of good and bad?

Blood Transfusion side effects far low to the main benefits.

Does human have 100% solution for all things?

Even the so called bloodless treatment still has its own side effects.

dollytino4real:
Make u no see challenge wen go make ur Faith dey tested o

Refusing blood transfusion isn't faith but man made doctrine that has no scriptural support.

Just like a suicide bomber who was deceived believing he's doing the right thing.

Kyn4life:
NOT AT ALL, YOU ARE WRONG, EVEN IF SHE DIES WHICH IS PRICE OF EVERY HUMAN HERE ON EARTH INCLUDING YOU AND 1 MUST PAY, JEHOVAH WILL REMEMBER HER - THE GOOD DECISION SHE MADE NOT TO DISOBEY HIS CLEAR COMMAND AND BRING HER BACK TO LIFE WITH A PERFECT BODY - JOHN 5:28-29

Where did God gave a command to reject blood transfusion?

There's a story of one Aunty Esther being the talk of the day on Twitter since morning.

This Aunty Esther was diagnosed with breast cancer and a lady closed to her thought public donation is needed to support her and she brought her case to X(Twitter) and compassionate Nigerians begin to donate and the money raised amount to the tune of ₦30,000,000.

When the treatment about to start is where the story changed.

It was said according to her doctor that she needs BLOOD TRANSFUSION and being a JWs she turned it down

You can read the full story here

https://x.com/Wizarab10/status/1996643698486964722

https://x.com/Wizarab10/status/1996854273955487988

https://x.com/lollypeezle/status/1996874883641287128