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PulaPower:
He said, “In the meantime my dear brother, the minster of the FCT, the performing minster of the FCT, who made his predecessors to look like there came to drink tea in Abuja all these things they are doing I can tell you, people are baffled, you and the president are performing miracles here, ”he said.

No be lie. Abj people actually do praise wike for TikTok well well..

But Tinubu will still loose Abuja any day any time.

Janosky why did you run away from John 5:23?

How do you honor Jehovah?

Do you honor JESUS JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Can you respect dog or animal JUST AS you respect your father and mother?

Janosky:
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.
"BORN" according to your own Bible means created.

I'm glad you agreed that both came from the same ROOT WORD.

So when you born your children YOU CREATED THEM.

Waooo Janosky is now GOD who CREATED BABIES.

You have not removed Luke 2:7 in your Bible.
Jesus is Mary's firstborn by birth as Jesus is God's firstborn by creation,Hebrew 1:6.
After all,your Bible confirmed that God born the mountains,Ps 90:2
Firstborn of every creature is firstborn from the living.
The holy bible did not lie to you, theologians lied to you.
NET trinitarian Bible confirmed that the original meaning of firstborn is first birth, the evidence of a creature.
Firstborn of every creature is also confirmed in your Bible at Colossians 1:15.
Colossians 1:18, "firstborn from the dead is firstborn creature resurrected from the dead into immortal living.

Still dubiously changing FIRSTBORN to FIRST CREATURE is truly show how manipulative you are.

The whole CREATION ITSELF can't come through a creature.

Do you agree?

The manner you CHANGE PROTEUO to mean PROTOTOKUS proven you don't love Bible truth.

I didn't change anything.

My point is clear.

Col 1:16-18 shows Jesus is the CREATOR and when He entered the same Creations He created, HE HAS TO BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING which means The Term FIRSTBORN was about POSITION not BEING THE FIRST CREATURE.

This is very simple to comprehend.

You already agreed that THE UNIVERSE Come through Jesus. That enough is the end to this discussion of you're being sincere to yourself.

because WHOLE CREATIONS can't come THROUGH A created being.

It's like saying the entire production line come from the same PRODUCTION LINE.

As how now Janosky?

Na so Emusan go use the same ogboju for him mind think say Stone is the same meaning as cornerstone at Acts 4:11,because Jesus becomes the cornerstone.
He will confuse himself it's that stone & cornerstone is " same root word".

Olodo....

When he got confused, he'll be throwing himself into more confusion.

Gosh....you don't even know what it means for word to come from the same ROOT WORD o ma se ooooo.

At least you couldn't refute my point that both word come from the same ROOT WORD.

Janosky:
@ Colossians 1:18 ,the beginning ,the firstborn from the dead", Paul is teaching about Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life

But the teaching didn't start from verse 18.

But see the dubious twist from you by saying "The Beginning". Paul said "He(Jesus) IS the beginning" just the way Jehovah claimed HE IS THE BEGINNING.

Jehovah is THE BEGINNING of what?

that Jesus is the first creature to taste death & resurrect to life without dying again unlike Lazarus who resurrect & died again.
Oga ,did your Bible & did Jesus teach you that God his Father died?

Jesus died as Human, Do Angel die?

Oga, Matthew 27:46 & Psalm 93-1-3 will help you upgrade your comprehension skills.
Romans 7:25, giving thanks through Jesus doesn't mean you gave thanks to Jesus likewise God created the world through his son doesn't ,can not mean what you falsely claim.- Jesus is not a creator.

Good if it doesn't mean giving thanks to Jesus.

Can you give thanks to God THROUGH ANGEL?

Can you respect your father THROUGH his dog?

If God created THE WORLD THROUGH HIS SON, does the SON part of what was CREATED THROUGH HIM?

Janosky:
Jesus is God's firstborn in heaven by Creation before he came to earth. Hebrews 1:6

You said The Universe came THROUGH JESUS. Not me!

So, if CREATIONS(UNIVERSE) which Jesus is part of came through Jesus.

Do you agree that Jesus CREATED HIMSELF?

Jesus is Mary's firstborn on earth by birth before other children of Mary.

Definitely!

Emusan ,you have to upgrade your comprehension skills urgently.
Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING after he died and resurrected to immortality.

The @color-red already exposed you.

It's evident that the FIRSTBORN is after Jesus resurrection and not because Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE the term never found in the Bible.

Unfortunately, you already rope yourself in the mud by saying "Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING"

To you EVERYTHING here means minus creation ko

Jesus became firstborn because he is God's firstborn creature in heaven, Hebrews 1:6.
Paul says "God brings his firstborn (in the heaven/spiritual realm) into the earth (realm)",Hebrew 1:6
This is the bible word for word.
Paul has already studied Proverbs 8:22-30 to know that Jesus is God's firstborn by creation.
Paul knew what the NET Bible translators found out about Proverbs 8:22-30.
NET Bible screenshots.

No be maggi or medemede of emperor Constantine added by theologians

What I want is already in your post above.

Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING after He died and resurrected.

Janosky:
Congregation = Church @ Colossians 1:18.
Screenshot.
NWT..
Colossians 1: 18  "And he is the head of the body, the congregation.t He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"
Emusan added "Resurrection" to make false claims.

Where did I add RESURRECTION?

Were you not the one who ADDED RESURRECTION?

At the color part, Jesus is THE BEGINNING which means ALL CREATIONS come from Him. Reason why Jehovah also called Himself THE BEGINNING.

Case closed.

Romans 11:34-36, who is the being that came through God his Father?

Answer:
Jesus Christ.

For “who has come to know Jehovah’s* mind, or who has become his adviser?”+ 35  Or, “who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?”+ 36  Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

This Romans 11:34-36 from your own dubious Translation.

Now show me where A BEING was said to come THROUGH GOD rather the scripture says ALL THINGS come THROUGH Jehovah.

This is the reason your translation has to add the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18 to change ALL OTHER THINGS.

But from honesty hearted, both Col 1:16-18 & Rom 11:36 proves that ALL THINGS come from God. That is why Jesus is God Almighty.

Because God created the Universe through his son Jesus, @Heb1:2, Col 1:15.

UNIVERSE IS THE CREATION ITSELF.

Jesus must be PART OF UNIVERSE

Or you still want me to explain to you like a daycare.

So, if the UNIVERSE comes through Jesus and Jesus is ALSO PART OF THE UNIVERSE then it means Jesus CREATED HIMSELF.

But Rom 11:36 already exposed you as ALL THINGS if from God and the same ALL THINGS is from Jesus Christ Col 1:16-18.

Hebrews 6:13 God is above Jesus plus everything in heaven.
Romans 11:34-36, Jesus came through God his Father.
Apostle Paul taught me so.

Point me to where Rom 11:36 says Jesus came through God.

Not theologians adding their own maggi & medemede.

So where in Rom 11:36 that says Jesus came through God?

I know you'll run away from this as usual.

helinues:
Is the loan not on the behalf of those who are complaining

Anyways, the government should also be sincere with how they are spending the obtain loans

This is how you'll know you people are very dishonest in this blind support of the party that has pushed Nigeria into her darkest era ever.

You want Gov to be sincere with all the loan obtained but is Gov just collecting loan now? The answer is capital NO!

Has Gov ever be sincere with previous one collected? The answer is still the same capital NO!

Have you ever called Gov out for not being sincere with ALL the loan obtained? The answer is still the same capital NO!

Do you as a person truthfully know that Gov will never be sincere with any loan collected? The answer is capital YES!

You judge for yourself!

AntiChristian:
You are the ones doing the comparison.

Despite the fact that I wrote ILLUSTRATION in capital letters.

Who is doing comparison here?

God is not man!

He created Man, so He can't be Man and I don't know where I said God is a Man.

And the woman was never with the man at the outset. When Adam was created, God called him Adam and not Adameve for Eve to be cut out later!

This is not the point, I've said that earlier.

And if the woman was man, then she should be called Adam too or rather the second Adam like Jesus. Your premises failed woefully!

The @color shows how limited your Bible understanding is, well I'm not surprised because you never understand a bit of it before.

For your Bible study, Adam actually means MAN, So you can see that Bible is correct to have called Eve MAN.

So, "in the garden was the woman, and the woman was with Man, and the woman was Man"

It's the best illustration of John 1: 1 how The Word is God and was with God.

God needs blood for salvation? Where the people of Nineveh not saved without blood sacrifice when they repented?

Nineveh REPENTED of their EVIL deed so that God will not destroy THEM not after they died.

The woman was never with man!

You mean Adam and His wife were not together.

The woman was created from man! You are even changing your scripture to fit your theory!

The Woman was CALLED MAN.

How is that hard for you to understand?

So when the spirit of God goes to the world does the father and son also follow?

Answer my question first.

quote]John didn't mention one God there too. It is clear that the Gods are two![/quote]Where did John mention two Gods?

By part what do you mean? Body component or essence?

Whatever you know as part...
So, answer my question.

AntiChristian:
I don't do illustrations comparing God to man which happens to be the specialty of Christians.

Who is comparing God to man?

You still don't know the simple meaning of illustration.

In the garden was the woman, and the woman was with man, and the woman was man?

This is perfect for John 1:1 scenario.

So, according to your won thread. It's not GODS but God.

God always becoming man; a Super man!

Not ALWAYS! He did it once for your salvation.

John 1:1-2 = The word was with God and the word was God clearly states two Gods were with each other! John even continued that through him all things were made.

You the word was GOD and was with God.

Now, do you agree that the woman was man and was with man?

I'm glad you know The same God who is a spirit also has A SPIRIT.

So, was the Spirit of God with God in John 1:1?

God and His Spirit are in separable.

Do you object to that?

That's the point. Just regurgitating your thought process. The word was with God. The word was God. God then has a Spirit. Then the Spirit is God too. All are co-equal and Co-eternal. Yet, not three Gods but one!

Not three Gods because John would have said so if they are THREE GODS.

Like I said above.

"The woman was with man and the woman was man" from the same Bible.

Do you agree?

So Yahweh sent his Son which is actually a part of Himself right?

Yahweh is the Only true God who send Jesus who happens to be a part of himself to die for the sins of other people he created right?

So, if you think this way. Do you agree that ANY PART of God is God or can ANY PART of God function independently?

Let me see your answer before moving to the next level.

AntiChristian:
Since you know the title of the thread is about "God" why bring a likeness of man into it? Is that your own way of convulsion?

Your education failed you about the meaning of ILLUSTRATION.

You've used style to shift from your own POV.

In a nutshell, John 1:1 is One God and not GODS.

That's clear for now.

Unto the next.

God is Spirit according to the Bible. God that is Spirit then has another Spirit. Then the word is with God. But again Emusion said God = father and Holy Spirit. So, are we not confused?

I'm glad you know The same God who is a spirit also has A SPIRIT.

So, was the Spirit of God with God in John 1:1?

That's the point.

More Problem! The more a trinitarian talks about his "Gods" the more complicated the discussion gets!

Jesus talked about two people viz: the Only true God and himself.

And you said the only true God is Yahweh!

So Jesus was talking about Yahweh and himself.

This means Jesus is not Yahweh and also not the true God!

Make we leave the Holy Spirit in another place for now!

Yahweh is the ONLY TRUE GOD!

Not Allah.

Yahweh is a name for all the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

AntiChristian:
Your Premise is false again. An Individual is called man not two! Just as your Gods are three (as you are ashamed and called them three persons) but one! Adam was never together with Eve as a person! Eve was made from Adam.

I can also say your kids were with you as sperm cells/Ova. Then you can be interpreted in the same way. It doesn't make any sense!

You have started convulsing.

Don't forget the title of the thread is "How many Gods are there?"

I came with an illustration of MAN being in the garden, which is best fit yet you couldn't grab it.

It was MAN who are in the garden and not MEN!

Do you get it?

The Holy Spirit doesn't exist at all in that verse! And also that your theory is false.

Which means, you are saying God exists but His Spirit doesn't Exist.

Continue.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

Who is John calling the ONLY TRUE GOD in the above verse?

Yahweh!

AntiChristian:
According to the Bible, Adam was alone hence God created Eve from Adam.

So when God felt He was alone, He created the son to be part of Himself. Maybe later created the spirit likewise. But He should have continue to create more to relieve the loneliness!

In the garden, the man first was around without the woman, then later the woman came about!

The point isn't if Adam was first lonely or not.

The point is according to the Bible both Adam and His wife were called MAN.

Reason for that illustration.

So, God be with God should be cleared here.

This is the basis of your thread.

So we can also say, there was a time when Jesus and the spirit do not exist just like Eve!
No! Just one but you'll understand this better if you understand the above illustration.

That's not the point from Genesis.

See above

So whenever John used God he meant the father and the Spirit. So "the word was with God" meant "the word was with the father and Spirit" right?

John didn't say the Father but God.

At least that's clear.

So, that answered your question of where is the Holy Spirit?

AntiChristian:
The writer of John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...John 1:1-2.

It can be derived from the above that:

The Word was with God.

The Word was also God.

The best illustration is the story of Adam & Eve.

Note: the name EVE didn't come onboard until the fall.

So, let's take it this way

In the garden was the woman, and the woman was with Man and the woman was Man

What comes to your mind here?

So there were two Gods namely, The God and the Word!

No! Just one but you'll understand this better if you understand the above illustration.

But where was the Holy Spirit (as the third God) when the Word was with God?

Holy Spirit is God. Reason why John used God and not the Father.

Janosky:
The right question is what is verse 18 talking about?

You can't just Jump to verse 18 without looking at the proceeding verses which is 16 & 17 first.

Verse 16&17 already said Jesus created EVERYTHING (UNIVERSE) both unseen and the ones seen.

So, how can the person who CREATED THE UNIVERSE be also CREATED?

What is the Context of Colossians 1:18?
Answer:

Paul makes reference to Jesus headship of the congregation.
Paul makes reference to Jesus death/resurrection.

In Colossians 1:18 of the New World Translation (NWT), .The verse reads:"And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

The question is;

Would Jesus be firstborn from the dead if he did not die?
No .
Likewise,would Jesus would not be firstborn of every creature if he's uncreated.

Also,has God ever die?
No.

Now, talking about CONTEXT.

Do you consider the same CONTEXT from verse 16&17? No! because that will expose your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, check that @color Jesus is THE BEGINNING just as Jehovah CALLED HIMSELF THE BEGINNING.

You can see that Paul was actually reinforcing his previous point (verse 16&17) of Jesus being the Creator.

You're talking about CONTEXT yet failed to look at the same TEXT.

God (our Father & Jesus Father ) can not die, Psalm 90:1-3. Matt 27:46. John 3:16,36). God can NOT be firstborn.

God is not FIRSTBORN but Jesus became FIRSTBORN when He came into His own creation.

Reason why Paul said "HE MIGHT BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING" if Jesus was the first creature which is against God's word then it's a common sense that He doesn't need to BE THE ONE WHO COMES FIRST IN EVERYTHING.

You agreed that Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN (which is the master stroke that breaks your camel back) reason why you've been running away from the question, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

I know if you're asked, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING HUMAN, you won't hesitate to shout Angel Micheal.

Therefore ONLY his creatures taste death.

No! Jesus took upon Himself Human Nature. The human nature died NOT God's Nature.

Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life means Jesus is the only creature to be raised from the dead & not die again.

He rose from death or was RECREATED FROM DEATH according to your own logic.

To rise from death means the same BODY. Do you agree?

Verse18,did Paul talk about creation?
No.

So, what did Paul talk about in verse 16&17?

Jesus might become first in all things pertaining to the Congregation and resurrection.

See this wacky insertion.

You have injected your own just as your NWT.

Paul said, so that HE MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO BECOMES FIRST IN ALL THINGS.

Now, because of your dishonesty you inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION.

Meanwhile, Paul ensure that the whole creation (Universe) was captured from verse 16 -17.

Because Jesus is ALWAYS subject under his Father Jehovah God, 1 Corinth 15:27-28. John 5:19

We're talking about CREATION here. Stop jumping around.

You agreed that the UNIVERSE (CREATION ITSELF) came through Jesus. Which is what Scripture says in Col 1:16-17, so how can Jesus still be part of Creation if CREATION (TIME, SPACE & MASS) came through Him?

By the way, you have use style to run away from other post ls
But I'll remind you.

Can you honor Jehovah THROUGH any Angel?

Can you honor your father or mother through goat or pig?

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Janosky:
Mounce Colossians 1:18 screenshot.
Firstborn = PROTOTOKUS (first birth)

PROTEUO = Preeminent.

Different Greek words with different meaning

Both come from the same root word.

Which supported my point that Paul was talking about POSITION not FIRST CREATED.

You can't still proof to me how FIRSTBORN became FIRST CREATURE.

It's evident that you're the one fussing different words together.

Also, Mounce shows that there's no word like 'OTHER' in Col 1:16-18.

So, where did you see OTHER?

but Emusan wan CHANGE Greek Bible words & meaning to his own personal pleasure.

I don't do that because I'm not part of the NWT translators who deliberately inserted the word OTHER where it was not found in Mounce

Mounce Greek English screenshot conflicting against Emusan opinion.

Did Mounce conflict your own translation of Col 1:16-18?

I know he will turn a blind eye to this like he did to rest of my post.

Janosky:
" OTHER" is in the New KJV bible of Luke 13:2 & several different Bible translations in the screenshot?

Yes.
The Biblehub screenshot evidence.
This guy sef, you no like truth.

See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.

Emusan is "OTHER" fraudulent in your New KJV @ Luke 14:2
Emusan you just dey deceive yourself.

See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.

See your life outside.

Why you didn't have that boldness to answer my question.

Janosky:
Emusan have agreed he honor your mother as you honor your Father.

I never deny this in the first place.

So you Honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Jesus who told Emusan to honor God his Father as Emusan honor Jesus, did Jesus at John 13:16 & John 14:28 teach Emusan that God is greater than Jesus his Son?
Yes.

The simple question you're dodging is this,

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Emusan wants to be in conflict against Jesus teachings.

Jesus teaches "that ALL MEN (including Janosky) should honor Him JUST AS they Honor His Father" this is not my teaching.

Do you obey this by Honoring Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Very simple question.

Only you know the reason why you can't answer this simple question

Janosky:
Do you agree that insertion of "OTHER" in your own Bible at Luke 13:2 is dubious?

Firstly, OTHER is not in the original language.

So, inserting that is a fraudulent act.

This is KJV and I didn't see the word OTHER in Luke 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

Oga, do you agree that insertion of "THE" in first sentence of John 1:1a is dubious in your own Bible?

You have been hiding under this to dodge the main point.

Anyways, you started this by saying [b]"BY" wasn't in Rev 3:14 and I asked you where did translator of NWT see it before adding it?

You pretended as if you didn't see it now jumping around again

Pls ,make time to upgrade your comprehension skills ,for your own good.

I understand, after dodging my points which excuse do you have again?

Oga, you no know your Bible & you rush to type wetin you NO kwow.
Go to Mounce Colossians 1:18 and receive sense.

Provide the screenshot from Mounce Col 1:18 if you have the chest to bore the truth.

Oga,you misunderstand this statement of Colossians 1:18:
HE(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST...

You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

So, HE MIGHT BECOME now has another meaning

When lie got exposed

Oga, is the word BORN in that sentence you bolded?
No.

So that He(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME who is FIRST in EVERYTHING.

Key words:
1. MIGHT BECOME (which means Jesus wasn't in that state before
2. FIRST IN EVERYTHING (this includes CREATION) which means if Jesus was the first to be created then it doesn't make any sense for Him to BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING AGAIN.

" He might become first is NOT the same as FIRSTBORN.

Good! So, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRST IN EVERYTHING?

This alone, shows He was NOT THE FIRST CREATURE rather He is the Creator.

Oga,in the screenshots is PROTEUO the same as PROTOTOKUS?
How can you receive the blessing of firstborn if you are not a creature/child?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

It's not today, I've been lecturing you on Prototokus in fact that is the reason why your claim of FIRSTBORN being FIRST CREATURE fell flat.

There's word for FIRST CREATED which Paul didn't use but He used FIRSTBORN to shows Jesus is PREEMINENCE over creation.

Have you removed the word OTHER fraudulently inserted by NWT in Col 1:16-18?

Janosky:
Oga, Luke 10:16 & John 12:49-50,Jesus have proven you do not honor him nor his Father,Yahweh .

If you did obedience to his teaching in the gospels will be your priority.
You don't even believe in Luke 10:16 & John 12:49-50.

I asked you simple question you're running awa from it.

Jesus made that commandment not me.

Janosky, where do you put your brain.

"so that all may honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father..." - John 5:23 NWT

Or I wrote this!

Now, do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Simple question

Janosky:
Jehovah commanded you to honor your mom and Dad
Emusan,do you HONOR Jehovah by doing so to your Mom and Dad?

Yes! I agreed.

But did Jehovah command you to honor your Dad and Mum JUST AS you honor Him?

That is the question you haven't answered since.

because of you do, your pack of lies will fall flat.

John 14:28, Jesus said 'the Father is greater than I am".

Emusan , at John 14:28 & John 13:16, did Jesus agree with your claim?

Jesus said you must HONOR Him JUST AS you Honor His Father.

Janosky, you must RESPECT Emusan JUST AS you respect your father.

Oga,you wan write your own Bible .
Pls ,stop deceiving yourself.

No! Jesus commanded you to Honor Him JUST AS you Honor His Father.

I didn't write that.

The question now is, do you Honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Janosky:
Janosky post
"God created the spiritual realm first (Heaven) before".

God Created spiritual realm first, ALL the beings in heaven including Jesus the firstborn of God.

So, ALL THE BEINGS IN HEAVEN including Jesus were CREATED FIRST.

So, why are you lying that Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE?

It's evident that you're confused

Can you still remember that your Bible Luke 2:7 calls "Jesus the firstborn of Mary?"
"Firstborn of Mary" is NOT Preeminence.
It means Firstborn of Mary as the Firstborn of every creature of God @ Colossians 1:15 is ALWAYS a creature. .[/quote]You claimed the hosts of heaven are created FIRST including Jesus.

Which means Heaven itself is created before the host were CREATED.

So, which one come first?

1. Heaven
2. The hosts
3. Jesus

Janosky:

Emusan screenshot brought the bible hub evidence that
ARKHE word origin from G756 lexicon, meaning "To BEGIN."

Oga,ARKHE is not Ruler ,not Originator and other gbogbotigbo lies you are claiming on this thread

But you lied that ARCHE doesn't mean RULER.

Why are you changing mouth now?

Janosky:
Oga, your screenshot says God is the Creator agreement with Hebrew 1:2.

But ,you are falsely claiming it's Jesus

Jesus is God.

Or your full brain didn't know that.

Emusan you brought Biblehib evidence that ARKHE means To BEGIN (from G756 lexicon.
Confirming that Jesus is the beginning of creation since ARKHE at Rev 3:14 is Beginning.

But you lied that it doesn't mean ORIGIN/RULER

So, you can see how your lying mouth was exposed.

Jesus is THE BEGINNING confirmed by Col 1:the same thing Jehovah called Himself

Romans 7:25 gives thanks to God THROUGH Jesus Christ can not mean Give thanks to Jesus.
Therefore ,Jesus is not the creator.

Oga, go and write your own Bible & feel happy.

If Jesus isn't God you can't give Thank to God THROUGH HIM

Can you give thanks to your Dad THROUGH a goat?

You can't even do that through Angel.

You already implicated yourself by saying Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN

Now, you left my post without addressing but only to be doing hide and seek

Who was Jesus before BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

You can't run away from that question.

Janosky:
In your kjv for example , Genesis 49:3, Luke 2:7 & Colossians 1:15, firstborn is NOT Preeminence rather Firstborn creature.

"Firstborn of every creature " this expression is very simple as it is.
Firstborn is a creature first and foremost

FIRSTBORN is PREEMINENCE as Paul himself said so.

Why will you continue to deny God's word?

If Col 1:15 iput Jesus as FIRST CREATURE then verses 16-17 is wrong for saying Jesus is the Creator.

Reason why your NWT dubiously inserted the word 'OTHER' multiple times.

Remove those dubious words OTHER from below 16-17 and see how your lies fall flat.

because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things, and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18  and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things - Col 1:16-18 NWT

Only a dubious person can do such a thing.

Vs 18 then concluded it by saying "...so that he might become the one who is first in all things

If Jesus was the first creature as you lied, then there's no need of this text saying HE(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST...

BioData45:
Nigeria leaders left the group. They would rather ask for another 4 years to see whether they can perform.

You're wrong they don't ask for another 4 years to KNOW WHETHER THEY CAN PERFORM.

They already knew they're failure, they just need more years for looting and hanging on to power.

Janosky:
Oga, upgrade your comprehension skills if you love yourself.
The beginning of God's creation"
is the the same meaning as
" the beginning of the creation by God."

The creation is attributed to the God Almighty.
@Rev 3:14,The creation is NOT attributed to Jesus.

Simple question

Where did you see BY if it was not there in the original?

Janosky:
1.Yes.
JW's honour Jehovah by copying the example Jesus gave us to sworship Jehovah the only true God.
Luke 10:16, JW's listen to Jesus ,the only means to honour Jehovah.
We wont do what Jesus friend but comply as Jesus did ,John 12:49-50.
For instance ,we have faith in Jesus & have faith in Jehovah, the only true God of Jesus Christ.
John 14:1, John 17:3.

You haven't answered my question.

DO YOU HONOR JESUS JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

That is what Jesus asked you to do not me.

2.
Oga, use your sense nau.
Do you honour your Father and dishonour your mother?
Give your Father the same honour you give your mother nau.

That is what I do. I gave my Dad and my mum the SAME HONOR because they were both HUMAN CREATED BY GOD but it will be another issue if I gave one among them THE SAME HONOR GIVEN TO GOD.

Do you agree?

But why can't you say I should give my father or my mother THE SAME HONOR I give Jehovah?

You see where the problem lies, for Jesus to demand THE SAME HONOR given to the Father means Jesus was placing Himself in the same level of the Father.

Do you agree?

Janosky:
Yes. Nothing to spin.

God created the spiritual realm first (Heaven) before creation of the Earth (physical realm).
Genesis is the first book of your Bible.
At the last book of the bible (Revelation), the God gave Jesus the Revelation (of things not mentioned in Genesis ) that in Chapter 3 verse 14, Jesus "is the Chief (first ) creation of God"

I just love this your reply today, because they so much worthy of evidences against yourself.

Look at the underlined word in color sentence.

So, you know HEAVEN is what God CREATED FIRST yet still find a way of putting Jesus INTO THAT FIRST.

Or your FIRST now has different meaning

Are you making any sense like that?

ARKHE word origin fromG 756 lexicon, meaning "To begin"
Not ruler,not source & all the lies from Emusan.
Case concluded with Emusan screenshot evidence.

Now, the screenshot I pulled off from Biblehub has suddenly become my lie.

Why didn't you call Biblehub lie? because you know you'll still sneak there to find whatever suits you later

Janosky:
Greek DIA ( Mounce Greek Interlinear screenshot of John 1:3.) meaning "By means of ", THROUGH ".
John 1:3, THROUGH Jesus , " by means of Jesus".
John 1:3, Hebrew 1:2, God created Universe through Jesus.

And to your fable mind, the person THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED THROUGH IS ALSO part of that same UNIVERSE.

So, you Agreed that Jesus was NEVER PART OF THE CREATED UNIVERSE.

That ends everything.

Greek DIA = Agency , instrumentality,Medium NOT Creator.
Romans 7:25 is the perfect example to debunk your lies.

" Thanks to God THROUGH Jesus our Lord.",Romans 7:25.


Oga, are you thanking Jesus at Romans 7:25?

Pls stop deceiving yourself, Jesus is not the creator.

You must REMOVE Romans 7:25 to believe your spurious claim

It means Jesus was THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

Abi can something come THROUGH YOU and YOUR NOT THE FOUNDER?

Again, you just confirmed that Jesus was never part of the UNIVERSE.

UNIVERSE IS THE WHOLE CREATION.

I know you'll shift the goal post again.

But see the screenshot below.

Janosky:
This guy self.
Pls don't post anything you don't understand.
Pls upgrade your comprehension , abeg you .

Can you imagine this.

Did you claim on this thread that JESUS NEVER DIED?