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Look at these inconsistencies in your post

Theawakensoul:
POINT 1: THE ENGLISH WORD "HELL" DOES NOT EXIST IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT

How can English word exist in Original text probably Hebrew or Greek?

The word "hell" is an English word. Yeshua never spoke English.

You forgot that the same word Yeshua is an English transliteration.

You people are too funny.

It simply means the realm of the dead. The grave. The place where people go when they die.

So, if ALL dead people actually have a PLACE they go, what is happening in that PLACE?

Not a place of punishment. Not a place of reward. Simply death itself.

Death itself isn't a place

The word appears in the New Testament and in Luke 16, the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Most people assume this story describes hell as eternal torment.

But the word used in that passage is Hades. Not Gehenna.

Two different words. Two different concepts. Combined into one English translation.

People didn't assume that's what the scripture says and you refuse to allow Scripture to speak for itself.

So, what is the concept of the story of the rich man and Lazarus?

POINT 5: GEHENNA

This is the word Yeshua himself used most often when people today assume he was describing hell.

Gehenna is not a theological concept. It is a real geographical location.

Ge-Hinnom in Hebrew. The Valley of Hinnom. A valley outside the walls of Jerusalem.

When Yeshua pointed to Gehenna, he was using a vivid, local, culturally specific image his audience immediately understood.

You should have cited all the places Jesus used the word Gehenna

One thing you failed to understand is that, if Jesus description of Gehenna is limited to Jerusalem, it means Jesus' message is limited to only the Israelites. Is that so?

AntiChristian:
Is it that you can't comprehend or what?

That question is for your own self.

Where did you see in that verse that Allah appeared to Musa?

The text you quoted says "...So when his Lord APPEARED to the mountain..."

You copy and paste this or not?

So, who appeared here?

I wasn't supposed to answer you knowing your IQ level but i just remembered the verse below:

Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he become wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:4-5

Just answer the question first.

Did Allah appear or not?

You can re-read the quoted Qur'an verse earlier. Allah didn't appear to Moses as it does not befit His majesty to appear to any human!

So, who did Allah appear to according to that text?

See it again: "...So when his Lord APPEARED to the mountain..."

atheistconverta:
It's ironic you didn't think your hypocritical calling of people who reason blindly as you "low iq" was "frustration", except when the tables were flipped...

By the way, I made it stark clear what disgusts me is you mentioning or quoting me because of your sheer hypocrisy, not sharing your views here which you're entitled to, so you can share your views without mentioning or quoting me, but of course your lack of understanding wouldn't make you to be able to comprehend that.

Also just Incase you don't realize it yet, there's now a banning feature available on what you called a public forum, which allows its members to keep haters and pests at bay, so I didn't need to be appealing to you like this or stop creating threads to prevent you from mentioning me.

I only wish it was permanent to keep all the unrepentant hypocrites and haters away once and for all.

I can't remember quoting this moniker

So, who is this or can you point to where I quoted your post?

AntiChristian:
This type of question is a logical absurdity or a loaded question based on a theological category mistake. It applies physical constraints (like geographic borders) to an entity defined as non-physical and omnipresent. Allah is All-seeing, All-knowing and All-Powerful. So He can do all things!

Being All-Seeing means He sees everything at the same time without any hindrance. Even your 36 states inclusive!

Being All-Knowing means He knows the beginning, past, present and future of everything! Even your 36 states inclusive!

So why does He need to appear there in again?

And when Mûsâ (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord (Allah) spoke to him; he said: "O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allâh said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain; if it stands still in its place then you shall see Me." So when his Lord appeared to the mountain1, He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsâ (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers." (Surah Al-A'raf 143)

You asked why does Allah need to appear again?

Yet went further to quote where Allah appeared to Musa

Can Allah appear in all 36 states of the federation at once?

Remember, you agreed "Allah can do ALL THINGS and the quoted Quran text supported my question.

So, go ahead to answer my question.

jesusjnr2020:
Exactly why I said there's no difference between you and those you accuse of having low iq, or probably worse.

Just simple question is what leads to this frustration.

Na wa oooo

However you have every right to share your hypocritical views here, but please endeavor to do so without mentioning me next time.

Then why do you create thread on Nairaland?

The thread made it to the front page and I responded which is not even directly to you yet you find that offensive.

Anyways, if you don't want my mention then stop creating thread on Nairaland as this forum isn't your property and it's called PUBLIC FORUM for a reason.

Thanks in advance for not lacking understanding.

You're welcome!

AntiChristian:
One needs to remove his/her intelligence to believe in such!

You who doesn't even have the intelligent in the first place.

Can Allah appear in 36 states of the federation at the same time?

jesusjnr2020:
If you don't know, forget it.

Waoooooo just simple question and you fold

I should know and tell you what you know, when I'm not inside you, that's seriously ridiculous.

jesusjnr2020:
Yeah... Just like all those hypocrites that see the obvious errors in teachings of apostle Paul, but wave it aside because of blind sentiments, yet would attack those who have the audacity to reveal the obvious truth.

Same, same.

Who is the person revealing the obvious truth?

paxonel:
He shared it as a testimony

And to you this is eating with God.

This is very pathetic!

paxonel:
All the anointed men of God in all churches have stopped performing live miracles.

I remember those days pastor Chris used to do wonderful things on television screen.
Bishop Oyedepo had slapped a witch on pulpit.
Pastor W.F Kumuyi had healed a lamed fellow in a crusade
Pastor Enoch Adeboye had once eaten with the Almighty God or something mysterious.

Great things used to happen in those days, but all of a sudden, ever since covid 19, they all quench.

Now, we hardly see even malaria get healed.
Can someone please explain what is happening?

Where did Adeboye tell you he had eaten with God Almighty?

Cashylyxagricul:
Jesus’ Claims About Himself. John 8:48-59

48 The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”

49 “I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”

54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

For Abraham to be looking for Jesus day and the Old Testament reveals that it was Yahweh Abraham actually saw, then reinforced that Jesus is Yahweh in flesh.

Key point:

'Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”'

Tboy222:
You are in an inverted matrix , a computer simulated reality

Imagine, you're the one telling me who I am now.

So, if I'm all these, then who are you?

wake up, all religions are false.

Including the one you belong to, right?

Your God , your sky daddy is actually the devil himself.

You must have met your sky daddy for you to know who he is.

I'm not surprised thou.

chimex38:
I was surprised as well..
I recall when you were blocked for no reason.

That's to tell you the kind of person they are!

Tboy222:
The bible is pure quantum physics, the quantum and essenic teachings of Christ banned by the Vatican.

Jesus was a sirian lyrian gridworker, king and priest of the seven kingdoms of Atlantis before it fell alongside Maria Magdalena the erotic high priestess.

She is the LovePeddler and the Virginia, the LovePeddler that rideth the beast, the LovePeddler that sitteth upon many waters whhich are tribes and languages.

In other words Mary Magdalena is the matrix, or womb as Alister Crowley put it in this famous book the book of the Law.

She is known in Thelma as the red goddess or Babalon the beautiful, the woman in the robe of sin.

Jesus never taught repentance, he said wake up, you are in a simulation, like Neo in the matrix , wake up the universe is code, it is gematria.

Sir Isaac Newton at the end of his life discovered that they were inconsistencies in the mathematical and physical patterns of the universe.

He later believed that the secrets of the universe is hidden in the Hebrew bible called the Torah.

And your point is?

Tboy222:
The trinity the number 3 representatives the 666 inverted masonic or tetraclys triangle which contains the tetramagaton.

It represents the father the source, the mother the spirit and the androgynous Adam the son who was split into two energies or bodies the divine masculine and divine feminine, yeshua Ben yosef and Magdalena rose eternal twin flame.

Alister Crowley summarised it well in his famous book the book of thoth or wisdom.

Jesus Christ as Adam and Mary Magdalene as Eve the mother of all living, two halves of the same soul.

Both of the designed the garden of Eden a 15 dimensional quantum computer simulated reality matrix or truman show system based on the Hebrew gematrix numbering system popularly called the Torah code using equidistant letter sequencing which can predict multiple events around the Cosmos with infinite probabilities.

The system present the God of the bible as the devil himself, who threatens you with hell after death but in reality keeps you in endless reincarnation cycle or loops.

Sophia of Jesus
Aprocryphon of John
Testimony of Truth
Book of Thoth Alister Crowley
Lois Roden (Shekinah)
Apocalypse of Adam
Gospel of Philip

Annunaki 2025 movie (YouTube)
Annunaki ancient history (YouTube)
Galactic federation of lights (YouTube)
Mind unfettered (YouTube)
4bidden knowledge (YouTube)
Samuel blee MD (YouTube)
Hidden codex (YouTube)
Quantum majesty (YouTube)
Emspiracy official (YouTube)
Library of Thoth ( YouTube)

What is your point exactly?

jesusjnr2020:
Can Anyone Raised By Atheists, Versed In Science, Become A Christian?


Many irreligious people believe and usually claim that anyone who is a Christian, was brought up by Christian parents and have little or no knowledge of science otherwise they won't believe, however Dr Sarah Salviander, a Christian apologist, proved all their assertions wrong with the following post on X:

Anyone who came up with such statement is the one who has low IQ.

because people have been moving from one religion to another for donkey years.

But two things are sure:
1. It's either through personal conviction or
2. Through personal encounter with the True God.

Olofofo247ng:
Let's revisit the issues Nigerians debated in newspapers and magazines this month around 50 years ago.

Today, let us travel back to 1978 for Alexander Igbineweka’s proposed solution to Lagos traffic jams.

What's your view about this? Could this be the solution to the Lagos state frequent traffick jam?

Source:

The builder of Lagos forgot to solve this 1978 issue.

AntiChristian:
God does not hide himself. He is open! So your hidden God theory is false! Where did Jesus say he exist before the world began? Where was he? Jesus said before Abraham eigo eimi - i am he.

I never proposed a HIDDEN GOD theory, that's your pure figment of imagination.

Jesus was God and became a MAN but not God on Earth meaning He didn't come to ACT as God.

This is simple thing to comprehend.

Gospel of John 9:8-9 "The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar began to ask, "Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?" Some were saying, "It is he." Others were saying, "No, but it is someone like him." He kept saying, "I am he." ("ego eimi"" The Trinitarian Bible translators has toyed with your head far o!

You'll just come and be jumping around like a kangaroo.

I never used 'ego eimi' you brought it out but the fact I pointed out is that Jesus EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM according to Jesus own statement.

Cool down to read post before jumping into your own imagination.

Anyways! Jesus is a hidden 0% God and Open 100% man according to Emusan's Theory!

Your pure figment of imagination.

The deceit is the hidden God! How can God hide himself? And from whom is he hidding? What question? I see no reason for God Almighty to hide o! And only present himself as human when he's actually God too!

That is why I said your Quran has so be clouded your reason and you need to be spoon-feed like a baby but I don't have that time now.

Just a quick one: Heaven of heavens can't contain God not to talk of Earth. So, for God to fulfil His own plan of salvation, He has to step in. GOD IS NOT HIDING FOR ANYON. If God should come to earth in His full glory, the Earth will crumble at His feet alone.

But can't lower himself to lie? Can God fornicate or commit other crimes by lowering himself? By lowering himself to become man what else can he not do?

Nonsense question.

You already agreed that God is ALMIGHTY so, asking me this is so childish.

By being conceived and given birth to he had the DNA of a man! He was born just like any other man! He suck breast milk and shit on his body just like any other man.

Yes! because that is what make man to be man. FLESH AND BLOOD


Do you now understand the reason of those verses you quoted?

In fact, his mother may have rebuked him many times while growing up and in adulthood!

Nothing is bad there.

That is the attribute of Man.

If President Tinubu disguises himself and find himself in any Nigeria prison today. You should expect the Waders to treat him just 'ike any other prisoners.

But just imagine the moment a wader get information that the prisoner who has been with them for a while is actually President Tinubu.

So you think he will be treated like any other prisoners again?

So God is not a man! But your God is a 100% man with hidden Godhood!

"That He SHOULD LIE nor a son of Man that He should repent, what He said He will do..."

That is the how the scripture puts it.

Not that God cannot become a man.

The Qur'an that came to correct your heresies! Look at how you are everywhere!

Now you agree that the Jubril in you is not wise.

Truthseeker10:
Hmmm. Nawa.

You have to unblock me for you to do this.

Waoooooo

What an hypocrite!

AntiChristian:
O! He was God but didn't act it. Can God be God not not act it? Can Satan tempt God? And what evidence from Jesus proves that Jesus was God on earth but not acting?

You keep confusing yourself the more.
Yes! He was God but didn't act as God. At least that is cleared for you.

Yes! God can be God and not act it just as a President/King can decide to act as slave to achieve something.

Jesus was TEMPTED AS HUMAN, I've this is the last time of repeating that.

Jesus said He exists before the world began.

Jesus said He exists before Abraham was born.

Jesus said He shared glory with the Father.

Is this not deceit? Can God lie? I thought you said God can't do this?

And what do you think about Hosea 11:9 - ...For I am God (El - Singular), and not a man...

Where is the deceit?

God cannot LIE because LIE spring up from the fear of punishment from superior.

Why would God lie?

Don't dodge my question

God is Almighty and He does what He wills. However, He does what befits His majesty! He can't lower himself to be a man and won't lie! If God can be a man then he can also be other animals!

God can LOWER HIMSELF TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING that is what Bible says.

Logically, it's also true.

Great leaders can subject themselves to subordinates to achieve something.

Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through?

Yes! God is not a MAN meaning He is not CREATED, doesn't have FLESH AND BLOOD and never have the Nature of Adam.

This scripture didn't say God CANNOT BECOME A MAN.

Is that hard for you to comprehend?

Did i tell you Jubril brought me any message? That's a false claim from you!

He brought nonsense Quran that corrupts your understanding.

AntiChristian:
So he was 100% human and 0% God while on earth?

He was 100% human and 100% God on Earth but He didn't act as God on Earth.

Doesn't this mean the Sonhood of God was lost at that instant of Jesus's life on earth?

This is very simple comprehension.

He was a MAN on Earth not as God.

If a King disguise as slave, He didn't stop being King but must perform every act of service a slave is performing.

You are saying things from both sides of your mouth! If God can become a man! Then he also should be able to lie. He should be able to become shit or grass don't you agree?

This is because you lack understanding of world view.

To lie is because you afraid of a higher power punishing you for your wrong.

If God should lie, who is He afraid of for punishment?

That is why it is impossible for GOD to lie.

For becoming HUMAN to SAVE HUMAN is what My God can do.

Is your God Almighty?

I never had a Jubril in me. Jubril is a messenger sent to whoever Allah wills.

Jubril brought the revelation you're using to interpret God's view. Definitely, the Jubril who brought that knowledge for you to say "God should be able to lie, if He can become anything" shows the Jubril in you isn't wise.

Holy Spirit must have been with you sometimes at least. Just like Samson, whenever the spirit comes in He kills. When the spirit leaves, he carrys harlot, gambles, etc.

Ok

AntiChristian:
Wasn't he God on earth?

He's not God on Earth.

Wasn't Jesus God while he was man or did his nature as a man outclass his Godhood?

Jesus is NOT GOD on Earth but MAN that is His mission. God's nature was ACTUALLY outclass it's never part of the mission which means completely man's nature throughout His mission.

You said "God can become whatever He wants to become. He is 'I AM THAT I AM"

Yes!

Then you are saying God cannot make himself lie. Are you not telling lies now?

Just as is a foolish to ask if God could create another God bigger than Him

Is the Holy Spirit in you exhausted?

The Jubril in you is not wise.

AntiChristian:
But he died on the cross, didn't he?

When He took the nature of Man not as God in heaven.

Can God make himself to lie?

God cannot lie

Though your Allah is the best liar

Is there any non-ambiguous verse to prove this?

Better ask AI

AntiChristian:
But when it is time to die the father and Spirit cannot die right?

Even the Son can't die.

Only the son can become man and die!

God can become whatever He wants to become. He is 'I AM THAT I AM'

So which acts did they perform together at once?

Creation!

Johnhif5:
What Does the Bible Teach About the Trinity?

1) Direct answer
The Bible does not teach a Trinity of three co-equal persons. It teaches one God—one divine Person—who revealed Himself as Father, in the Son, and now as the Holy Spirit. It’s not three Gods, and it’s not three persons; it’s one God making Himself known.
2) Scriptural explanation
- One God:
- “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29).
- “Beside Me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6,.

Continue here:
https://truebibleteachingsai.org/answers/what-does-the-bible-teach-about-the-trinity-e0cc65b

@underlined - You get it wrong.

They are PERSONS because both Father, Son, and Holy Spirit performed an act together at once.

Image123:
i wonder, you keep crying out to me in frustration.

because you've 'ost your conscience. So, you need to be reminded constantly.

Definition of good governance and evil is relative here. You have no conscience, i guess you accept my opinion.

because you have no conscience and there's no truth in you.

The table is not turning anytime soon, know this for your peace. Go and dig my posts in support of fPMB. That is the same Bible i have followed for decades even with military rulers. i wasn't really politically discussing here on NL before fPMB. i have always prayed for all Nigerian leaders in my life time as commanded by the Bible. i was subject to and didn't resist GEJ or Yaradua or OBJ as presidents. At least, i dey this forum during those times small, but like i said, i wasn't really into politics discussions. We dey among those wey pamper and support GEJ till he became president and for his first few years. When his cluelessness reached peak mode, we voiced out in favour of others during campaign. We have never wished Nigeria to fail or government to fail.

And PO did not fall within what your Bible says Hypocrite!

You've consistently parroted this ignorance, so let me take a little time to educate and remind you though your beegotri may deny you commonsense. Goodluck Jonathan could not fully remove Nigeria’s fuel subsidy in 2012 mainly because of a massive public backlash, deep distrust of government, and the economic hardship Nigerians feared it would cause. In other words, he lacked the courage and decisiveness that Tinubu has. Nigerians did not trust his government. It had very little to do with Tinubu.
Many Nigerians believed subsidy removal would only make politicians and oil marketers richer, corruption in the oil sector would continue, and the savings would be stolen instead of used for development. His government was riddled with corruption scandals, poor electricity, unemployment,and weak public services. So many people were asking why should ordinary citizens suffer first?
“Occupy Nigeria” protests exploded nationwide. Civil society groups, students, labor unions, musicians, churches, and ordinary citizens joined.
Major cities like: Lagos, Abuja, Kano, Port Harcourt saw strikes and demonstrations from labour unions like the Nigeria Labour Congress.
The Nigeria Labour Congress and the Trade Union Congress of Nigeria organized nationwide strikes.
Nigeria in 2012 was facing: insecurity from Boko Haram attacks, economic inequality, and political tension.
Removing subsidy during such instability increased anger against the administration. Many Nigerians viewed cheap fuel as the only direct benefit they received from Nigeria’s oil wealth.
Later Nigerian administrations continued gradually reducing subsidies (which opposition later suggested after Jagaban removed it), and Tinubu eventually announced full subsidy removal in 2023. Tinubu was only part of opposition doing what opposition do, capitalise on the FAILURE of the incumbent.

See excuse for a sack conscience.

Why did Fayemi then say they (ACN) played politics with it?

This is someone who was closed to your thiē.f semi god than you.

You can keep deceiving yourself because you have no truth in you.

Mr B is you bra. Tinubu has been holding annual colloquium since 2009 talking and providing solutions, most of which he is implementing today. Cure your ignorance.

And OBI has not been holding any colloquium. Can you see the evidence of your dishonest?

Nobody said Tinubu was a child of God. i will however nickname him as apostle by May 29 next year, God sparing our lives. This is because he is indeed God-sent to Nigeria. Like they say, kiss the truth and do a proper search for your lost conscience.

He is not a child of God but and Apostle just the same way you believe Tinubu is not SMART but He is BRILLIANT

Have you seen an Apostle in a shrine or Mosque before?

Na wá oooo

Image123:
Keep kwayet and stop further embarrassing yourself if you have nothing to say.

Just deny your word first.

Did you call PO s 'isr or not?

There's even one of your posts where you used a proverb of a FÛÛL

'ike I said, your past are there for you to dig up by yourself.

Image123:
Not just NOW, i have never claimed to be God but you kept mistaking me.

Mistaking you for god, who dash you?

Child of God, yes, but God, no.

No be by mouth.

Definition of good governance and evil is relative here.

because you've lost your conscience, that's what a Child of God won't do.

Mr A supports the government, is understanding of situations, and of the rot the country has been in for decades. He knows the need to relay the foundations, and how dusty, messy and inconvenient that would be. He sees a man he has labeled with all politicians, now in power. He prays for him, fears him, is subject to him and not resisting him as seen in the Bible.

This will be true if you can provide just one simple place you replicate this for any Nigeria leader not for ONLY TINUBU.

Or better let's wait till the table turn.

To top it up, this man is taking all the hard decisions others refused to take.

Who fought against the said Fuel subsidy in 2012?

Even one of your god's boy Kayode Fayemi admitted and I Quote "WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH, in 2012 that GEJ removing fuel subsidy was the best thing but we FOUGHT AGAINST IT because it's ALL POLITICS"

A good and visionary leader won't fight against what he/she knows is the best for his country only an EVIL PERSON fought against that and come later to claim he's doing the right thing.

Since you're already dinning and winning with the evil one, I don't expect you to agree with this.

That single act of total shutdown of the country in 2012 has set this country back a decade.

Mr B on the other hand, is a fault finder, Lamidi sympathizer who believes that the Lamidi is unfairly treated. He knows and heard of a man that failed at governance and everyone was regretting he was governor during and after his tenure. For political purposes however, Mr B now overlooks this man's failed past, and says he's now the best thing and hope of the country. He wishes evil on his country and its leader. He delights to hear and hopes there's a failure somewhere for whatever reason.

Go back to 2011-2015 of Baba Tinubu post AGAINST the government of GEJ and compare it to what PO is doing now. You'll see the difference, back then why Tinubu only condemned and called for GEJ stepping down. He never provides a single solution whereas nor sympathize with people unless that Bans Faronti daughter whereas PO criticize and dish out solution.

So, you can keep lying to your own soul.

Think deeply, which of these has a problem with his conscience and perhaps his eternity?

Tinubu never claimed to be a Child of God.

You're the one who claimed to be and a follower of Christ but has lost his conscience due to politics.