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Janosky:
God GIVEN Jesus the LIFE, John 5:26. John 17:7.

Oga,your sentence (3) ,Jesus said " God GIVEN Jesus the LIFE, John 5:26. John 17:7.

Jesus Christ is a creature of the God our ANCESTOR.
Ephesian 4:6 Ephesians 3:14-15.
If you have to go start from kindergarten to understand it pls do.

And Jesus is THE ETERNAL LIFE

True or false?

Janosky:
Emusan,you are arguing against the bible you claim you believe.
Let me nurst your bubbles.
Your poor argument is solved by the First Sentence of Romans 11:35 ,Paul copied from Isaiah 40:13.
"Who has first given to God Jehovah"?
Jesus answered that question of Romans 11:35 first sentence & Romans 11:36 first sentence in John 17:7 & John 5:26
Jesus SAID : "EVERYTHING (plus the LIFE ) I have is from God." John 17:7
Also Jesus SAID : "God GIVEN LIFE to the Son to have LIFE in himself."

Oga, use your brain .

So, you can't still provide the Greek screenshot for ALL THINGS

I understand sha...

When you're ready address all the questions

See how he hypocritically dodged all the main points in my post.

Janosky:
John 5:26

“For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself."

John 17:7
" EVERYTHING I have the Father has GIVEN to me."

God gave life to Jesus Christ, his Son.
God PUT life into Jesus Christ.
Bible truth revealed by Jesus Christ.

Key word
GIVEN ,PUT (Greek Edoken).

Awon unbeliever keep grasping at straws.

He brought many Bible verses that he himself now ran away from.

What about the Greek word for 'ALL THINGS' and how it was used in Rom 11:36 and Col 1:16-18?

Do ALL THINGS that was used in Rom 11:36 different from ALL THINGS used in Col 1:16-18?

You can't do that because you know you're lying.

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Do you respect your father THROUGH any animals?

Do Angels die?

How do you honor Jehovah?

Have you been HONORING JESUS JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Can you honor Jehovah THROUGH any Angel?

Can you pray to Jehovah THROUGH any Angel?

These are the questions you never addressed but jumping from pilar to post since.

About Jesus given life.

So, you agreed that Jesus lied when He said He is THE LIFE

You agreed that God lied through John when he wrote that Jesus is The Eternal Life who existed with the Father from beginning.

Just continue.

Zayttoven:
Is the government intentionally bringing all these policies to gauge the reaction of the masses?

First it was NYSC adire, now this. There are countless others I can't remember.

From my observation, expect all these policies to be fully implemented if the President wins again.

He is only testing waters now.

The same Government that has deployed their data boys to defend why the fee needs to be hiked.

Some of the defense is that people should start using their money to sponsor secondary students

He's running away small small

Janosky:
That tells everyone that Emusan wants to CHANGE Romans 11:35

Did ALL THINGS in Rom 11:36 different from ALL THINGS in Col 1:16-18

Simple question you couldn't answer.

E get why

The first sentence of Romans 11:35
For FROM him" (1st sentence)
FROM Jehovah God are ALL things
That is the key point AGAINST Emusan falsified claim.

ALL THINGS are from Jehovah and for Jehovah
ALL THINGS are from Jesus and for Jesus Col 1:16-18

Do ALL THINGS here different from one another?

Any VERSE in Emusan's Bible that said "From Jesus are all things?"
Not at all. E no dey Emusan Bible.

Col 1:16-18 said so.

It's in your perverted NWT.

Reason why NWT is the only Translation that ADDED the word 'OTHER' more than 4 times.

ALL THINGS are from Jesus and for Jesus.

Remove the word OTHER from NWT and see how both Rom 11:36 & Col 1:16-18 match.

"God the Father GRANTED LIFE TO JESUS," John 5:26 Jesus said so,not Janosky.
Emusan your false claims Or Jesus teaching @ John 5:26,pick one.

Then Jesus is lying that He is THE LIFE

Jehovah lied through the Holy Spirit to inspire John to write that Jesus is ETERNAL LIFE.

How can ETERNAL LIFE be created?

Romans 11:35 first sentence "FROM GOD Jehovah ARE ALL Things"
Emusan ,did God COME FROM Jesus?
Not at all.
But ,in Emusan Bible "From God are all things" including Jesus.
Pls Sir upgrade your comprehension skills.

This is how you'll know you lack Bible knowledge apart from what Watchtower infused in you.

It's Rom 1:36 and not 35.

Repeating this many times shows you don't even know the scripture you're referencing.

I know you'd have come up with lot of screenshots if what you are saying is so sure for you.

Paul's evidence in 1 Cor 8:6 in agreement with Rom 11:35
"Yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the Creator[/i] of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ,through whom we live"
1st sentence of Romans 11:35 & 1st sentence of 1 Cor 8:6.
"All things ARE NOT from Jesus?."
No ,not at all.
Did Paul teach that Jesus is the creator?
Not all all.
Rather, Paul SHOWS Big Distinction between God our Father & his son ,Jesus.

So, simple question.

What did not come from Jesus Christ in CREATION?

Emusan comprehend?
Was David a creature before appointed as Firstborn?
Yes.
ONLY creatures are firstborn likewise Jesus is a creature

But you said THE UNIVERSE comes THROUGH Jesus Christ, so how Jesus still a Creature?

You MUST be a creature before you can be firstborn.

Then The Universe should come before Jesus.

If Jesus is a Creature.

Which means Jesus can't be FIRSTBORN.

Is Jehovah firstborn in Emusan Bible?
No.

So, why did you conclud that The Universe (the whole of CREATION) come through Jesus?

Didn't that tell you Jesus can't be FIRSTBORN or you want to agree that something was CREATED before Jesus.

You can see how confused you are.

Universe CREATION ITSELF came through Jesus Christ.

The only being that is not part of the UNIVERSE is God.

Do you agree?

Some people need to start kindagarten to understand simple English

I agreed.

It's Kindergarten not Kingdagarten

Now, go and ask any kindergarten(from your hall), "who the only being that is not PART OF THE UNIVERSE?"

Let's see how a kindergarten will respond to that question.

At least you agreed that The Universe came THROUGH Jesus.

How can CREATION come THROUGH someone and the person is still a CREATURE?

This can only happen in Janosky brain.

Colossians 1:15 Greek manuscript
Jesus " is firstborn of every creature"

Very true.

That is God's word.
But read further to verse 16-18 and see that Jesus CREATED ALL THINGS.

Then you'll understand the meaning of FIRSTBORN and the reason why Paul didn't use FIRST CREATED a word not alien to any Greek speaker.

Emusan Bible "Jesus is firstborn OVER ALL creation"
Emusan Bible inserted OVER ALL into Colossians 1:15 to distort that verse.

Is Jesus not FIRSTBORN OVER ALL CREATION?

You want to argue against yourself again?

Whereas Emusan Bible inserted "OTHER" into Luke 13:2.

Name my Bible

Oga, REMOVE "OVER ALL" in Colossians1:15 and STOP WAILING .
WAILING & hypocrisy pari pasu.

I never inserted any word in Bible and you never see me Quoting Col 1:15 with OVER ALL (even though that's where your argument is driven towards) but YES! I AGREED OVER ALL should be removed from Col 1:15

Then do you agree that OTHER must be removed from Col 1:16-18?

I know he'll turn a blind eyes to this.

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Meanwhile,

1. why do you run away from HONOR John 5:23 Jano?

2. Why do you run away from Angel can't die?

3. Why do you run away from PRAYING through another being?

Bizibi:
whether the person is good or have questionable character you will always have good and pretentious people around you, forget all this your talk, I am saying it because I have experienced it.

Like mind attract like minds

Bad company corrupts good manner

Positive attracts positive

These are laws of nature which no human can argue against.

Before you have corrupt people around you it means you self is corrupt.

You cannot have saints around you in politics, a leader will need wisdom to handle them.

That's because you too is not a saint.

The process that makes you to become a leader matters most, if the process is crude then no wisdom is required just usual dishonesty & corrupt way to handle it.

I know someone that is fighting the governor candidate because he listened to some of pretentious people,now he is a black sheep in his state.

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Bizibi:
can everyone around a leader be saints?

That's not the right question to ask, the right question should be does the so call leader have a shrouded past?

Even Jesus didn't had one betrayer.

Jesus had ONLY one for a divine PURPOSE not that Jesus Himself is a questionable character.

A leader need wisdom to handle people especially in this country.

What is the past of the said leader?

You can't be a leader through a crook way or be a questionable character and called yourself a leader without romancing with the people of the same mind.

You can cheat your way from primary school to university and become a lecturer and then begin to fight for a due process for examination.

This is what many of you keep missing then still thinking you can get a better country from those destroying it.

Bizibi:
the president should have replaced gbaja since last year. I know the president wants to protect his presidency but he should not tolerate those misbehaving around him, buhari made that mistake.

You people will be acting in pretence as if you don't know they are the same birds of the same feather flocking together.

You can't have a questionable character and people around you will be saint.

seunmsg:
No proper investigation can be conducted without Gbajabiamila stepping aside. This is definitely a ruse to make everybody forget about the case.

Yet you're deceiving yourself by solidly supporting the person who doesn't know what to do at the right time.

Janosky:
Oga,did your God die?

Jesus died as a human not as God.

Can Angel die?

Is the simple question I've been asking you.

Jehovah God can NEVER die.
NEVER !!!!!!

I agreed.

So, can Angel EVER DIE?

The beginning, the firstborn from the dead can NOT ,IS NOT, NEVER Jehovah.

Out of desperation and dishonesty, see how you are disgracing yourself.

So, Jehovah isn't THE BEGINNING

Oga ,@Matt 27:46 Jesus your deity said so and died.

Can Angel die?

You know the reason you're dodging his question

Firstborn from the dead is Jesus the being that died & was raised up from the dead to begin the way of resurrection to immortal life unlike Lazarus who was raised to life but died again.

No doubt about that.

His God, Jehovah my God can NOT die.

I totally agree with you that God can never die.

But can Angel die?

Janosky:
Romans 11:36 and 1Cor 8:6 Paul was inspired to teach so.
Examine Romans 11:36 each sentence .

"For from him" (1st sentence)
from Jehovah God are ALL things

and through him (2nd sentence)
through Jehovah God are ALL things.


and for him are all things. (3rd sentence)
For Jehovah's will are ALL things".

To him be the glory forever! Amen" (4th sentence).[/b]

Emusan does EVERYTHING you have come from Jehovah God?
Yes.

I love this!

Now, let's compare this to the same thing Paul said elsewhere.

"For in him ALL THINGS were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS have been created THROUGH HIM and FOR HIM. He is before ALL THINGS, and in him ALL THINGS hold together."

The phrase "ALL THINGS" appears more than 3 times.

This ALL THINGS are they different from the one Paul mentioned in Rom 11:36?

I'm Rom 11:36 Paul said "ALL THINGS" are through God and for Him(God) which you also understood by saying "through Jehovah God are ALL things" (These are your words not MINE), also Paul said the same "ALL THINGS" are through Jesus and for Jesus.

What did that tell you?

John 17:7 Jesus answered Emusan.
"EVERYTHING I have comes from you the Father (Jehovah God)."
John 5:26, Jesus answered Emusan.
"The Father (Jehovah God ) has life in Himself (Self Existent) and has granted Life to his son (Jesus christ)"

Jesus is THE VERY LIFE.

So, how can LIFE has LIFE?

You mean God created His own life?

Jesus also said "I come from God the Father.
Paul wrote " from God comes ALL THINGS"

Then why are you arguing against yourself when the same Paul said ALL THINGS COME from Jesus?

From Jehovah & through Jehovah comes EVERYTHING,ALL THINGS.

But the same ALL THINGS is THROUGH JESUS and fro Jesus.

You didn't that in your translation?

Jesus the firstborn of every creature comes from Jehovah God.
Simple.

Then you agree that the Bible is LYING when it says ALL THINGS come through Jesus.

To change and perverted God's word you have to believe that ALL THINGS in Rom 11:36 if different from ALL THINGS in Col 1:16-17

Reason why your perverted NWT has to insert the word "OTHER" multiple times to confuse your mind.

Emusan , upgrade your comprehension skills.

It's obvious who needs that upgrade.

Watchtower created their own translation of the Bible to suit their false teachings but Emusan never has one.

Always remember that.

Janosky:
Why is Emusan so fond of lying ?
This is his post...

Emusan:
See this wacky insertion.

You have injected your own just as your NWT.


Now, because of your dishonesty you inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION

Emusan ADDED "RESURRECTION" at Colossians 1:18.
Church means congregation.
Check any Greek lexicon and cure your ignorance.
Oga, you don't love the truth.

Just imagine this low level comprehension.

I said "Now, because of your dishonesty you(Janosky) inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION"

Waoooooo your comprehension keeps deteriorating everyday.

You're looking for a way to run but I won't give you that.

Can you praise and pray to Jehovah THROUGH any Angel?

Of Jesus is not God you can't pray to God THROUGH HIM.

Can you respect your father THROUGH your dog or chicken?

How do you honor Jehovah?

Have you been HONORING JESUS JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

SIRTee15:
The attention is on gbaja for now, not on BAT. If the spotlight turn on the BAT himself, then we can talk of impeachment proceeding against the President.
I dont jump into conclusion.
Maybe u should advise Gbaja to implicate BAT just like Adeniyi implicated him. That way all doubt will be removed the exact source of the oozing cankerworm of corruption in this administration.

Have you seen the latest report from IMF on how about 2% of Nigeria GDP was unaccounted for since Tinubu regime? Which amount to ₦8.83t.

You people think, a questionable character can give a transparent and good governance.

You can't be called honorable when the road your follow to power isn't.

SIRTee15:
Gbaja no smArt at all. And to think I use to like this guy!!!

In the first place why are u as the COS to presidency running things or dealing with a known fraudster. Someone exposed as a fraud as far back as 2017. Let's say u want to create a spurious govt agency that can be used for miscellaneous purposes, why use someone that has a questionable character for the job.

And what was gbaja thinking making a disclaimer on a fake govt agency that his own office approved it's budgetary allocation. Shows he not detailed or thorough enough as a person. That office is too big for him, he's running it as if he's the governor of one of those backward states in Nigeria, where the action of the governor must never be questioned.

Except this fraud comes from BAT himself, gbaja should be sacked, he's becoming as embarrassment to this govt

Is bat himself not a questionable character?

How many of the people working around him not a questionable character?

Till date, the secondary school bat claimed to attend was established years late.

As a Christian, you know a bad tree can't produce a good fruit.

That is the reason Jesus can never be An Angel.

because you can't even do anything THROUGH the Angels

But Jesus accepts Praise, prayer & the same Honor given to the Father.

PulaPower:
He said, “In the meantime my dear brother, the minster of the FCT, the performing minster of the FCT, who made his predecessors to look like there came to drink tea in Abuja all these things they are doing I can tell you, people are baffled, you and the president are performing miracles here, ”he said.

No be lie. Abj people actually do praise wike for TikTok well well..

But Tinubu will still loose Abuja any day any time.

Janosky why did you run away from John 5:23?

How do you honor Jehovah?

Do you honor JESUS JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Can you respect dog or animal JUST AS you respect your father and mother?

Janosky:
@ Colossians 1:18 ,the beginning ,the firstborn from the dead", Paul is teaching about Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life

But the teaching didn't start from verse 18.

But see the dubious twist from you by saying "The Beginning". Paul said "He(Jesus) IS the beginning" just the way Jehovah claimed HE IS THE BEGINNING.

Jehovah is THE BEGINNING of what?

that Jesus is the first creature to taste death & resurrect to life without dying again unlike Lazarus who resurrect & died again.
Oga ,did your Bible & did Jesus teach you that God his Father died?

Jesus died as Human, Do Angel die?

Oga, Matthew 27:46 & Psalm 93-1-3 will help you upgrade your comprehension skills.
Romans 7:25, giving thanks through Jesus doesn't mean you gave thanks to Jesus likewise God created the world through his son doesn't ,can not mean what you falsely claim.- Jesus is not a creator.

Good if it doesn't mean giving thanks to Jesus.

Can you give thanks to God THROUGH ANGEL?

Can you respect your father THROUGH his dog?

If God created THE WORLD THROUGH HIS SON, does the SON part of what was CREATED THROUGH HIM?

Janosky:
Jesus is God's firstborn in heaven by Creation before he came to earth. Hebrews 1:6

You said The Universe came THROUGH JESUS. Not me!

So, if CREATIONS(UNIVERSE) which Jesus is part of came through Jesus.

Do you agree that Jesus CREATED HIMSELF?

Jesus is Mary's firstborn on earth by birth before other children of Mary.

Definitely!

Emusan ,you have to upgrade your comprehension skills urgently.
Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING after he died and resurrected to immortality.

The @color-red already exposed you.

It's evident that the FIRSTBORN is after Jesus resurrection and not because Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE the term never found in the Bible.

Unfortunately, you already rope yourself in the mud by saying "Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING"

To you EVERYTHING here means minus creation ko

Jesus became firstborn because he is God's firstborn creature in heaven, Hebrews 1:6.
Paul says "God brings his firstborn (in the heaven/spiritual realm) into the earth (realm)",Hebrew 1:6
This is the bible word for word.
Paul has already studied Proverbs 8:22-30 to know that Jesus is God's firstborn by creation.
Paul knew what the NET Bible translators found out about Proverbs 8:22-30.
NET Bible screenshots.

No be maggi or medemede of emperor Constantine added by theologians

What I want is already in your post above.

Jesus became FIRST IN EVERYTHING after He died and resurrected.

Janosky:
Congregation = Church @ Colossians 1:18.
Screenshot.
NWT..
Colossians 1: 18  "And he is the head of the body, the congregation.t He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"
Emusan added "Resurrection" to make false claims.

Where did I add RESURRECTION?

Were you not the one who ADDED RESURRECTION?

At the color part, Jesus is THE BEGINNING which means ALL CREATIONS come from Him. Reason why Jehovah also called Himself THE BEGINNING.

Case closed.

Romans 11:34-36, who is the being that came through God his Father?

Answer:
Jesus Christ.

For “who has come to know Jehovah’s* mind, or who has become his adviser?”+ 35  Or, “who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?”+ 36  Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

This Romans 11:34-36 from your own dubious Translation.

Now show me where A BEING was said to come THROUGH GOD rather the scripture says ALL THINGS come THROUGH Jehovah.

This is the reason your translation has to add the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18 to change ALL OTHER THINGS.

But from honesty hearted, both Col 1:16-18 & Rom 11:36 proves that ALL THINGS come from God. That is why Jesus is God Almighty.

Because God created the Universe through his son Jesus, @Heb1:2, Col 1:15.

UNIVERSE IS THE CREATION ITSELF.

Jesus must be PART OF UNIVERSE

Or you still want me to explain to you like a daycare.

So, if the UNIVERSE comes through Jesus and Jesus is ALSO PART OF THE UNIVERSE then it means Jesus CREATED HIMSELF.

But Rom 11:36 already exposed you as ALL THINGS if from God and the same ALL THINGS is from Jesus Christ Col 1:16-18.

Hebrews 6:13 God is above Jesus plus everything in heaven.
Romans 11:34-36, Jesus came through God his Father.
Apostle Paul taught me so.

Point me to where Rom 11:36 says Jesus came through God.

Not theologians adding their own maggi & medemede.

So where in Rom 11:36 that says Jesus came through God?

I know you'll run away from this as usual.

helinues:
Is the loan not on the behalf of those who are complaining

Anyways, the government should also be sincere with how they are spending the obtain loans

This is how you'll know you people are very dishonest in this blind support of the party that has pushed Nigeria into her darkest era ever.

You want Gov to be sincere with all the loan obtained but is Gov just collecting loan now? The answer is capital NO!

Has Gov ever be sincere with previous one collected? The answer is still the same capital NO!

Have you ever called Gov out for not being sincere with ALL the loan obtained? The answer is still the same capital NO!

Do you as a person truthfully know that Gov will never be sincere with any loan collected? The answer is capital YES!

You judge for yourself!

AntiChristian:
You are the ones doing the comparison.

Despite the fact that I wrote ILLUSTRATION in capital letters.

Who is doing comparison here?

God is not man!

He created Man, so He can't be Man and I don't know where I said God is a Man.

And the woman was never with the man at the outset. When Adam was created, God called him Adam and not Adameve for Eve to be cut out later!

This is not the point, I've said that earlier.

And if the woman was man, then she should be called Adam too or rather the second Adam like Jesus. Your premises failed woefully!

The @color shows how limited your Bible understanding is, well I'm not surprised because you never understand a bit of it before.

For your Bible study, Adam actually means MAN, So you can see that Bible is correct to have called Eve MAN.

So, "in the garden was the woman, and the woman was with Man, and the woman was Man"

It's the best illustration of John 1: 1 how The Word is God and was with God.

God needs blood for salvation? Where the people of Nineveh not saved without blood sacrifice when they repented?

Nineveh REPENTED of their EVIL deed so that God will not destroy THEM not after they died.

The woman was never with man!

You mean Adam and His wife were not together.

The woman was created from man! You are even changing your scripture to fit your theory!

The Woman was CALLED MAN.

How is that hard for you to understand?

So when the spirit of God goes to the world does the father and son also follow?

Answer my question first.

quote]John didn't mention one God there too. It is clear that the Gods are two![/quote]Where did John mention two Gods?

By part what do you mean? Body component or essence?

Whatever you know as part...
So, answer my question.

AntiChristian:
I don't do illustrations comparing God to man which happens to be the specialty of Christians.

Who is comparing God to man?

You still don't know the simple meaning of illustration.

In the garden was the woman, and the woman was with man, and the woman was man?

This is perfect for John 1:1 scenario.

So, according to your won thread. It's not GODS but God.

God always becoming man; a Super man!

Not ALWAYS! He did it once for your salvation.

John 1:1-2 = The word was with God and the word was God clearly states two Gods were with each other! John even continued that through him all things were made.

You the word was GOD and was with God.

Now, do you agree that the woman was man and was with man?

I'm glad you know The same God who is a spirit also has A SPIRIT.

So, was the Spirit of God with God in John 1:1?

God and His Spirit are in separable.

Do you object to that?

That's the point. Just regurgitating your thought process. The word was with God. The word was God. God then has a Spirit. Then the Spirit is God too. All are co-equal and Co-eternal. Yet, not three Gods but one!

Not three Gods because John would have said so if they are THREE GODS.

Like I said above.

"The woman was with man and the woman was man" from the same Bible.

Do you agree?

So Yahweh sent his Son which is actually a part of Himself right?

Yahweh is the Only true God who send Jesus who happens to be a part of himself to die for the sins of other people he created right?

So, if you think this way. Do you agree that ANY PART of God is God or can ANY PART of God function independently?

Let me see your answer before moving to the next level.

AntiChristian:
Since you know the title of the thread is about "God" why bring a likeness of man into it? Is that your own way of convulsion?

Your education failed you about the meaning of ILLUSTRATION.

You've used style to shift from your own POV.

In a nutshell, John 1:1 is One God and not GODS.

That's clear for now.

Unto the next.

God is Spirit according to the Bible. God that is Spirit then has another Spirit. Then the word is with God. But again Emusion said God = father and Holy Spirit. So, are we not confused?

I'm glad you know The same God who is a spirit also has A SPIRIT.

So, was the Spirit of God with God in John 1:1?

That's the point.

More Problem! The more a trinitarian talks about his "Gods" the more complicated the discussion gets!

Jesus talked about two people viz: the Only true God and himself.

And you said the only true God is Yahweh!

So Jesus was talking about Yahweh and himself.

This means Jesus is not Yahweh and also not the true God!

Make we leave the Holy Spirit in another place for now!

Yahweh is the ONLY TRUE GOD!

Not Allah.

Yahweh is a name for all the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

AntiChristian:
Your Premise is false again. An Individual is called man not two! Just as your Gods are three (as you are ashamed and called them three persons) but one! Adam was never together with Eve as a person! Eve was made from Adam.

I can also say your kids were with you as sperm cells/Ova. Then you can be interpreted in the same way. It doesn't make any sense!

You have started convulsing.

Don't forget the title of the thread is "How many Gods are there?"

I came with an illustration of MAN being in the garden, which is best fit yet you couldn't grab it.

It was MAN who are in the garden and not MEN!

Do you get it?

The Holy Spirit doesn't exist at all in that verse! And also that your theory is false.

Which means, you are saying God exists but His Spirit doesn't Exist.

Continue.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

Who is John calling the ONLY TRUE GOD in the above verse?

Yahweh!

AntiChristian:
According to the Bible, Adam was alone hence God created Eve from Adam.

So when God felt He was alone, He created the son to be part of Himself. Maybe later created the spirit likewise. But He should have continue to create more to relieve the loneliness!

In the garden, the man first was around without the woman, then later the woman came about!

The point isn't if Adam was first lonely or not.

The point is according to the Bible both Adam and His wife were called MAN.

Reason for that illustration.

So, God be with God should be cleared here.

This is the basis of your thread.

So we can also say, there was a time when Jesus and the spirit do not exist just like Eve!
No! Just one but you'll understand this better if you understand the above illustration.

That's not the point from Genesis.

See above

So whenever John used God he meant the father and the Spirit. So "the word was with God" meant "the word was with the father and Spirit" right?

John didn't say the Father but God.

At least that's clear.

So, that answered your question of where is the Holy Spirit?

AntiChristian:
The writer of John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...John 1:1-2.

It can be derived from the above that:

The Word was with God.

The Word was also God.

The best illustration is the story of Adam & Eve.

Note: the name EVE didn't come onboard until the fall.

So, let's take it this way

In the garden was the woman, and the woman was with Man and the woman was Man

What comes to your mind here?

So there were two Gods namely, The God and the Word!

No! Just one but you'll understand this better if you understand the above illustration.

But where was the Holy Spirit (as the third God) when the Word was with God?

Holy Spirit is God. Reason why John used God and not the Father.

Janosky:
The right question is what is verse 18 talking about?

You can't just Jump to verse 18 without looking at the proceeding verses which is 16 & 17 first.

Verse 16&17 already said Jesus created EVERYTHING (UNIVERSE) both unseen and the ones seen.

So, how can the person who CREATED THE UNIVERSE be also CREATED?

What is the Context of Colossians 1:18?
Answer:

Paul makes reference to Jesus headship of the congregation.
Paul makes reference to Jesus death/resurrection.

In Colossians 1:18 of the New World Translation (NWT), .The verse reads:"And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

The question is;

Would Jesus be firstborn from the dead if he did not die?
No .
Likewise,would Jesus would not be firstborn of every creature if he's uncreated.

Also,has God ever die?
No.

Now, talking about CONTEXT.

Do you consider the same CONTEXT from verse 16&17? No! because that will expose your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, check that @color Jesus is THE BEGINNING just as Jehovah CALLED HIMSELF THE BEGINNING.

You can see that Paul was actually reinforcing his previous point (verse 16&17) of Jesus being the Creator.

You're talking about CONTEXT yet failed to look at the same TEXT.

God (our Father & Jesus Father ) can not die, Psalm 90:1-3. Matt 27:46. John 3:16,36). God can NOT be firstborn.

God is not FIRSTBORN but Jesus became FIRSTBORN when He came into His own creation.

Reason why Paul said "HE MIGHT BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING" if Jesus was the first creature which is against God's word then it's a common sense that He doesn't need to BE THE ONE WHO COMES FIRST IN EVERYTHING.

You agreed that Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN (which is the master stroke that breaks your camel back) reason why you've been running away from the question, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

I know if you're asked, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING HUMAN, you won't hesitate to shout Angel Micheal.

Therefore ONLY his creatures taste death.

No! Jesus took upon Himself Human Nature. The human nature died NOT God's Nature.

Jesus death & resurrection to immortal life means Jesus is the only creature to be raised from the dead & not die again.

He rose from death or was RECREATED FROM DEATH according to your own logic.

To rise from death means the same BODY. Do you agree?

Verse18,did Paul talk about creation?
No.

So, what did Paul talk about in verse 16&17?

Jesus might become first in all things pertaining to the Congregation and resurrection.

See this wacky insertion.

You have injected your own just as your NWT.

Paul said, so that HE MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO BECOMES FIRST IN ALL THINGS.

Now, because of your dishonesty you inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION.

Meanwhile, Paul ensure that the whole creation (Universe) was captured from verse 16 -17.

Because Jesus is ALWAYS subject under his Father Jehovah God, 1 Corinth 15:27-28. John 5:19

We're talking about CREATION here. Stop jumping around.

You agreed that the UNIVERSE (CREATION ITSELF) came through Jesus. Which is what Scripture says in Col 1:16-17, so how can Jesus still be part of Creation if CREATION (TIME, SPACE & MASS) came through Him?

By the way, you have use style to run away from other post ls
But I'll remind you.

Can you honor Jehovah THROUGH any Angel?

Can you honor your father or mother through goat or pig?

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Janosky:
Mounce Colossians 1:18 screenshot.
Firstborn = PROTOTOKUS (first birth)

PROTEUO = Preeminent.

Different Greek words with different meaning

Both come from the same root word.

Which supported my point that Paul was talking about POSITION not FIRST CREATED.

You can't still proof to me how FIRSTBORN became FIRST CREATURE.

It's evident that you're the one fussing different words together.

Also, Mounce shows that there's no word like 'OTHER' in Col 1:16-18.

So, where did you see OTHER?

but Emusan wan CHANGE Greek Bible words & meaning to his own personal pleasure.

I don't do that because I'm not part of the NWT translators who deliberately inserted the word OTHER where it was not found in Mounce

Mounce Greek English screenshot conflicting against Emusan opinion.

Did Mounce conflict your own translation of Col 1:16-18?

I know he will turn a blind eye to this like he did to rest of my post.

Janosky:
" OTHER" is in the New KJV bible of Luke 13:2 & several different Bible translations in the screenshot?

Yes.
The Biblehub screenshot evidence.
This guy sef, you no like truth.

See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.

Emusan is "OTHER" fraudulent in your New KJV @ Luke 14:2
Emusan you just dey deceive yourself.

See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.