I have problem with Oyinlola

MuttleyLaff:
We've only scratched the tip of the ice berg and you're already giving up after reading that Sheol has a section similar a bit to Hades, the Greek's version of afterlife
What's going to happen if shown the size of the ice berg? You'll pass out?
What's going to happen if shared with you, that there is a part of Sheol, which is a bottomless pit cum gulf separating the two parts of Sheol from each other?

I don't know if I should laugh.
I just gave up on you for making up things that are not there in the first place

You want find me anywhere, deliberately in a misleadingly way be equating Sheol as being a grave/tomb/sepulchre site where we may have buried a loved one
I have however emphasised that Sheol in an oversimplified or elementary manner can be grave or has been referred as grave

Grave/tomb/sepulchre sites are merely places of deposit for a corpse. Sheol is the realm of the dead or departed souls
- Souls do not linger in the air. Souls do not stay in limbo. Souls do not hang about. Souls do not make revisits

Until Jesus in the NT, Sheol in general, without necessarily distinguishing between righteous or unrighteous souls, has been the realm of the dead or abode of the dead

We have verses in OT (e.g. Psalm 9:17 etcetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it was Jesus in the NT that brought things into perspective when he shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol with the story of the Rich Man being elsewhere and Abraham with the Poor Man being on a different side
- remember just because you're telling a joke, it doesnt necessarily mean the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality

Sheol (i.e. the original Hebrew concept of afterlife) now has gray lines shared with Gehenna (i.e. the refuse dump in Jerusalem hyperbolically referred to by Jesus in Matthew 5:29 Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47) and Hell (i.e. a Greek mythology and Greek concept of afterlife) which arent really understood
The etymology of afterlife from a Jewish concept (i.e. Sheol, with 2 sections) has changed over time and Sheol, since, has being interchangeably replaced with Gehenna and Hell/Hades

The Bible doesn't not have any afterlife concept than returning to dust lying in wait for resurrection. Resurrection makes no sense if immediately after death, an imaginary soul goes straight to an imaginary location called sheol.
I know with Jews romance with paganism, it's not out place if they believe in a conscious after life, but please, that's not what the Bible teaches.
As I've said before, sheol/hades as used in the Bible is a figurative term, not as grave for individuals, but a collective term to depict the final destination of man after death, which the Bible tells us it's the dust.
For example, we have a place called "Orun Oba Ado (heaven of the Kings of Edo)" in Ile-Ife, but the place is just a goddamn grave. Those who translated sheol into grave are not dumb. You have to study the literature of language before attempting to translate and I believe those translators did just that.
Gehanna is used to mean only the lake of fire. It didn't replace sheol.
Sheol is an OT term, not used in the NT. Hades was used instead. Both sheol and hades are translated as grave or hell.
As for the parable, it remains what it is, a parable and can not be taken literally. A look at other parable of Jesus will prove that. This can't be an exception.
See, Luke 16:22-23 ...'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.'
Now this is where we start seeing the rich man and Lazarus parable for what it is. The mainstream teaching is that when we die, our bodies go back into the ground, and our "soul" floats off to either heaven or hell. But look carefully at what happens here in this parable. Lazarus is CARRIED to heaven, suggesting that he is taken BODILY to heaven. And the rich man is BURIED in the ground. And now notice what it says about the rich man. It says that he was "buried and being in HELL lifted up his eyes". Do you see the clear connection between buried and hell? Jesus is linking the two and saying that the rich man IN HIS GRAVE IS IN HELL. Because that is what the Greek word Hades is intended to mean, the grave!

Jesus finishes the parable by confirming that it is only through the Word of God laid out in scripture that will lead us to the truth of salvation. And confirms that if you don't accept the clear truths in the Bible, then even one being RAISED FROM THE DEAD (notice how Jesus links the "sending of Lazarus" in that parable to raising him from the DEAD?) would not convince the person who rejects the truths laid out in scripture. And did Jesus prove this with the Jewish nation? YES! A few weeks after He told this parable, He raised literal Lazarus from the dead, and STILL the Jews would not accept Christ for who He was! So Jesus here proved His point well.
This is the Bible truth about the rich man and Lazarus. This cannot be a literal event. Jesus is merely portraying an important lesson in this story.

Honestly with this your above, it is evident not everyone knows there are distinctions between spirit and soul

Luckily for us, Hebrews 4:12, hints at a barest minimum that, there is a distinction between soul and spirit, vis-à-vis that they can be separated

For the word of God is living and all-efficient,
and much sharper than a double edged sword,
and it pierces to the separation of soul and spirit and of joints, marrow and of bones,
and judges the reasoning and conscience of the heart.
- Hebrews 4:12

Of course, there is a distinction and I think I made that clear in my previous post. First, the hebrew and greek words translated to soul and spirit originally means "living being" and "breath/air" respectively. As you know, a sword can take the breath of life from a living being. Simple logic

Now since you've veered off course and changed route to go on this choice journey of yours, shall we put things in their right or proper perspectives?

I'm still on course, seeing that your belief in souls going to a literal location called sheol, is hinged on the belief of a souls that never dies with man.

Remember the saying in Leviticus 17:11 and Deuteronomy 12:23 or Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4 and Job 27:3 that:
the LIFE of the FLESH is in the BLOOD
and the LIFE of the SOUL is in the breath/SPIRIT

The BLOOD makes the difference between the life and death of the BODY
(i.e. when blood stops, the SOUL departs/exits the body)
- a body without a soul becomes a corpse or dead body

The SPIRIT makes the difference between the life and death of the SOUL
(i.e. when spirit leaves, the SOUL is empty)
- a soul without spirit becomes a dead soul

This is funny!
Gen 2:7 'and the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL'

Soul in Hebrew is the word 'nephesh', which means"a living being"
Soul in Greek is the word 'psyche', which means"a living being"
Spirit in Hebrew is the word 'ruwach', which means"breath, wind, air"
Spirit in Greek is the word 'pneuma', which can either mean"Holy Spirit"or"breath, wind, air"

Gen 2:7 has put everything to rest. Body (dust) + Breath of Life (spirit) = Living Soul.
Adam became a LIVING SOUL, not given a soul. A living man is a living soul. That's what this verse is saying. We're living souls with the help of the breath of God in us. It's the breath in us that is keeping us, and once the breath is gone, a living soul becomes just a corpse and to dust, he returns. From this verse, it should be clear to you that nothing survives the body after death.
Job 27:3 confirms this 'all the while my breath is in me, and the SPIRIT of God is in my nostrils'
Did you see this verse use "Spirit of God" instead of "breath of God" in Genesis? Spirit=breath and these two verses have proved that.
Job was a living soul because the Breath/spirit of God is in his nose. That's why we're dead the moment we stopped breathing- last breath. Nothing's left but a lifeless body, just like it was before God breathed into man. That's why all it takes to bring back the dead- to become a living soul again- is just to get him to breathe again. No magic.

The Spirit, Soul and Body have distinct and different roles to play
1 Thessalonians 5:23 hints about keeping the three aboveboard

The spirit, typifies what has to do with our relation to God or our consciousness of God (i.e. relation with what is more than ourselves)
the soul, typifies what has to do with our relation to ourselves or our self consciousness
the body, typifies what has to do with our relation to the physical and material world (i.e. relation with what is less than ourselves)

Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way,
and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless
until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:23

Not to over-flog the point, the fussion of the body with the spirit (breath of God) makes up the soul (a living being). Your soul is just your being. This verse is just saying we should keep ourselves blameless before God- living an holy life.

SMH, the bible actually does support the teaching of a separate soul beyond human existence. Revelation 6:9 and Revelation 20:4 is suffice, without needing to produce other relevant verses about afterlife

Fast forwarding, depending at which stage or phase, souls will be purified by fire, and souls will be destroyed as in burnt for destruction (i.e. die) in the Lake of Fire

Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge.
And I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their forehead or their hands.
They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
- Revelation 20:4

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the SOULS of all who had been martyred for the word of God
and for being faithful in their testimony
- Revelation 6:9

Have you ever thought why souls are important to God?

But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; he will surely take me to himself
- Psalm 49:15 NIV

God will truly redeem me from the power of Sheol. He will surely receive me! Interlude
- Psalm 49:15 ISV

Much of Revelation is symbolic language and not literal. I hope you know? I hope you know that the horses that comes with the opening of the seals in the preceeding verses are symbolic too? So these are the people of God who have died for Christ and they are crying out to Him under the altar. first, where is the altar? The altar will be God's throne in Heaven, so could "under the altar" be on the earth or sheol? Take a look at this following Bible verse which reveals the truth about death and this issue of crying out to God under the altar:
Genesis 4:10 ...'And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.'
Do you see what is happening here? Abel has died at the hands of his brother Cain, and what is happening? His blood is "CRYING" out to God FROM THE GROUND, or THE EARTH. Now does blood cry? Of course not, this is just symbolic language for God knowing what Cain has done to Abel. So from this we can better understand the Bible verse about death in Revelation. They are not literal souls of people still living that are crying out to God, because they have turned back into dust. But their blood is a testimony to what they have had done to them, and it is their blood that "symbolically" cries out to God for justice, just as Abel's blood did.
And about Rev 20:4, has it not occurred to you that, that event will take place after resurrection?
At the second coming, the righteous dead will be resurrected with new bodies and together with living saints, they meet the Lord in the air. It's then, the 1000 year reign begins. This set of people no longer have their bones in the dust man, they are resurrected. They will reign bodily with Christ, not in ghost mode

SMH. You have become melodramatic about all this, misquoting me, making assumptions of what I've wrote and turned to doing conjectures

Food for thought, items somehow end up in my kitchen trash can.
Judgement hasnt started, not until the decision is made to have the trash can emptied off ALL its contents, and be enroute to the refuse dump-yard

Finding oneself in whichever part of Sheol it may be, is not in itself judgement. It is not the end.
- Sheol, is just like an airport's departure hall, before boarding flight to a final destination, as I earlier insinuated.
You seem to have forgotten, we'll stand before a Judge and have a free service of an Advocate, for pleading individual case(s)

We have one and only one destination when we die.
Eccles 12:7 'then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (breath) shall return unto God who gave it'
This is consistent with the fact that we're made living souls with the breath in us. God only gave us His breath to make our body a living soul.

In my hometown, we've forever stopped the herdsmen without raising voice.
Except there's more to this, the Oyemekuns know what to do.

People still fight?

MuttleyLaff:
You obviously missed the memo I sent Jessicha on Hades.
Nothing spoilt, as though not trying to come across like a broken record, I'll repeat it here, all over again, just for you.

what is Hades? - Here we go again

Hades is the abode of the dead and it is located in Sheol
- it's like saying Lagos is in Naija

Hell which has become synonymous with Hades, is neither Hebrew or Greek in origin

Sheol is, what you'll find in the original Hebrew text for any word for Hell
In other places, Hades or Hell was the Greek substitution for the part of Sheol where the Rich man is from the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus

As a matter of fact, Hell actually finds it roots in the classic Greek mythology, Hades

where Hades interestingly and actually, was the ancient Greek god of the underworld.
This god's name (i.e. Hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is exactly what Sheol is, what is signifies or represents.

Talking about Gehenna, well it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse site and so was used by Jesus to depict the Lake of fire
(i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things)

As earlier mentioned, Gehenna was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem
Hades however, historically and originally is the name of a Greek god until it got turned to meaning the place or abode of the dead
It later got interchanged with hell, which is from a German word root
It was bible translators who were substituing the original Hebrew word Sheol (i.e. the part where the dead of the Rich man sort are), with Greek counterparts Hades/Hell that made hell stick with us today

I can draw you further in with unadulterated info on Sheol,
but these small and sliced up bits, so far should suffice
else you'll throw up or choke on the chunkier others

Just because you have a Greek word for a Jewish word doesnt imply the Greek word is authentic in meaning or concept
- transliteration is not foolproof.

Regarding this your Rev 20:13 quotation, I doubt, you at all have any understanding of the relationship between sea, death and Sheol in that verse?

I hope you and EnigmAries who incidentally is equating graves/tombs/sepulchres with Sheol, will compare your verse with Matthew 27:52

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
- Matthew 27:52

Did you just say hades is a part of sheol? I give up.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 states: “There is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave [Sheol], where you are going.” This doesn't mean that Sheol refers to a specific, or individual, grave site where we may have buried a loved one.

When the Bible refers to a specific burial place, or grave, it uses other Hebrew and Greek words, not sheohl and haides.( Genesis 23:7-9; Matthew 28:1) Also, the Bible does not use the word “Sheol” for a grave where several individuals are buried together, such as a family grave or a mass grave.— Genesis 49:30, 31.
Sheol has already swallowed, so to speak, countless dead people, it always seems to hunger for more. ( Proverbs 30:15, 16) Unlike any literal burial site, which can hold only a limited number of the dead, ‘the Grave is never satisfied.’ ( Proverbs 27:20) That is, Sheol never becomes full. It has no limits. Sheol, or Hades, is thus not a literal place in a specific location. Rather, it is the common grave of dead mankind, the figurative location where most of mankind sleep in death.

The Bible teaching of the resurrection helps us to gain further insight into the meaning of “Sheol” and “Hades.” The Bible associates Sheol and Hades with the sort of death from which there will be a resurrection. *( Job 14:13; Acts 2:31; Revelation 20:13) It also shows that those in Sheol, or Hades, include not only those who have served God but also many who have not served him. ( Genesis 37:35; Psalm 55:15) Therefore, the Bible teaches that there will be “a resurrection of both the righteous and
the unrighteous.”— Acts 24:15.

It will make much sense to you realise that Man does not have any soul/spirit that lives after him after death.
Soul in Hebrew is the word 'nephesh', which means "a living being
Soul in Greek is the word 'psyche', which means "a living being.
Spirit in Hebrew is the word 'ruwach', which means"breath, wind, air".
Spirit in Greek is the word 'pneuma', which can either mean "Holy Spirit" or "breath, wind, air"

So we can see from this that the words soul and spirit do not mean that we have our OWN spirit or soul, but rather we basically have the spirit of God in us keeping us alive, and with that spirit in us, we ARE LIVING SOULS. And we can see this clearly from the creation account
...Genesis 2:7 ...'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.'...

Notice one very important point about the creation of Adam. When God breathed into him the breath of life, "Spirit", Adam BECAME a living "Soul". So if we reverse this process, God's Spirit (breath) is removed and Adam dies, he becomes dust again.
This is an important truth concerning death and what happens when we die. Remember that Adam wasn't given a soul, he BECAME a living soul with the breath of God inside him. We are but dust without the Spirit (breath) of God in us, as this following Bible verse confirms
...Genesis 3:19 ...'In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
So if the Bible doesn't support the teaching of a separate soul beyond human existence, I wonder those who are residents in that literal hades, which according to you, is a temporal abode of torment immediately after death. We all know judgement have not taken place, thus directly accusing God of jungle justice.

MuttleyLaff:
You still havent understood
- type out here what 1 Cor 15:55 says

Were you expecting Paradise aka Abraham's bosom aka Abraham's side to be casted into the Lake of Fire along with Hades?

Tell me something I dont already know or something unsimilar to this I havent posted

a loaded gun in the hands of a trained professional and not pointed to the head is not dangerous

Type out here what 1 Cor 15:55 says
after which you be the judge if grave is mentioned in it

1 Cor 15:55(KJV) O death, where is thy sting? O GRAVE where is thy victory?
(Amplified): O death, where is your victory? O DEATH, where is your sting?

Which part of it don't you understand?


...Daniel 12:2 ...'And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.'
Matthew 27:52 ...'And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.'... At Jesus' resurrection He gave gifts to some and resurrected them also from the dead. But what were they doing before they were resurrected by Jesus? They were sleeping. In other words they were in their graves not knowing anything.

Take a look at this Bible verse ...John 5:28-29 ...'Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.'...

Where are we when we hear His voice? IN THE GRAVE. This is where we will be when we die, in the grave.

Acts 2:29,34 ...'Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.For David is not ascended into the heavens.'


Matthew 9:24 ...'He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.'

John 11:11-14 ...'These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly,Lazarus is dead.'

So Jesus spoke of death as sleeping. Not about going to heaven or hell (in your own case, Abraham bossom) when we die, but sleeping. And until when do we sleep in the grave?

...John 11:23-24 ...'Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'...

Martha knew that Lazarus would rise again at the resurrection, which would be Jesus' second coming, but as we know, Jesus decided to resurrect Lazarus there and then.
These are clear Bible verses. It is now up to you to continue to cling to parable of Jesus which He used as an illustration and not an actual place- at best, a future location.

If you know so much, I wonder why you don't know that the Bible teaches that we only return to dust at death and know nothing (Eccles 9:5, 10)

MuttleyLaff:
Why dont you do yourself a favour and spare us this comedy of errors by reproducing 1 Cor 15:55 here

I didn't reproduce anything. The text where that verse was translated to English reads "hades", same for Rev 20:14. Do yourself a favor by finding that out.

Sheol and Hades as used in the Bible means grave.

Thinking there is a world of the dead somewhere is satan deception and is dangerous.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, simply grave
but not grave in the sense of a hole dug in the ground to receive a coffin or corpse
There is more to Sheol than ordinarily just a 6-feet hole in the ground
but at an elementary or entry level, simply referring Sheol as grave could do

Not sure how 1 Cor 15:55 fits into all this

Grave as used in 1 Cor 15:55 is hades in the original greek text, same thing for sheol in hebrew text of the OT. See also, Rev 20:14 for comfirmation that hades (hell as used here) can't be a burning fire. This further validate 1 Cor 15:55 which states that death and grave will be swallowed up in victory. The hell in Rev 20:14 and the grave in 1 Cor 15:55 refer to "hades" in the original text.
So when we die, we're asleep and there's nothing like a soul floating around in an unknown world. The dead remain dead.

As for this thread, the Bible has a simple answer to it. In Rev 20:5 we learn of a certain "first resurrection" most certainly at the Second coming of Christ. So it is only logical that if there is a first resurrection, there would certainly be a second one (after 1000 years).
The Bible makes us understand that the second coming will be like the days of the flood when some were saved while the rest were destroyed (Matt 24:37).
From this, one can conclude that at the second coming of Christ, the righteous dead will be resurrected and take up new immortal bodies (1st resurrection) together with the righteous living to meet the Lord in the air. While the lost who are dead will remain dead and those still living will be destroyed to live no more until after 1000 years (Rev 20:5).
I strongly believe that these are the set of people that will take part in the second resurrection after the 1000 years and will once again be deceived by satan (Rev 20:7-.
In essence, everyone dead will be raised up at one time or the other, to face judgement after which anyone whose name is not found in the Book will be destroyed in the lake of fire (Rev 20:15).
So the issue of which body is to burn in hell when it has already turned to dust shouldn't arise at all.

MuttleyLaff:


... and that third heaven, he Paul, saw isnt Abraham's bosom or Paradise. He saw the real McCoy not paradise

Erm, it isnt a lie actually. Bosom in the Bible has more meanings than literal chest

No, as because in that particular context, she wasnt in Paradise
she was in that particular instance given to be personally and intimately on Abraham's side

As shared above, no, she in this instance, isnt or wasnt in paradise because she, Hagar was placed to be on Abraham's side by Sarah or ordered by Sarah to go on Abraham's side

Jesus told his disciples about a side in Sheol, which is the side Abraham is in (i.e. Abraham's bossom)

In the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, the poor man was taken by the Angels to Abraham's side or part of Sheol (i.e. aka Paradise)
He wasnt taken to the Rich man's side or part of Sheol (i.e. aka Hades)
- Sheol has two parts: Hades where the Rich man was & Paradise or Abraham's side or Abraham's bosom, where Abraham and the Poor man was

Coolu temper ooo
Now sheathe the sword and stop scaring the fair ladies with shut the mouth forever ultimatum else learning opportunities will be lost

Hades and Sheol simply means, grave.
Read: Gen 42:38b, Psalm 89:48, and 1 Cor 15:55.

Graccccccccy:
I rep Kwara and Abia

Choose one.

CharlesPhc:


Because they have nothing to lose

And may be a reason not to vote for him too.
PDP's votes will be divided and as such, Gbajabiamila is the new Speaker.
I don't see Dogara contesting on Tuesday. APC has an effective conflict management tool.

Ezenwammadu:
Femi=154 VOTES not enough to make him automatic speaker
Dogara=64 APC VOTES + possible 142 PDP Votes gives us 206 votes

Femi=154 votes
Dogara=206 votes.

What makes you think all PDP Lawmakers will vote for Dogara?

olutunde12:


He doesnt need to get it to have been nominated. Simple english ah! The point is that buhari never lost an election even with only the almjiris voting for him in app, anpp and cpc!

Who is talking about Buhari?
Concession or not, GEJ got the boot and nothing could have have happened if he didn't make that call.
And who's having problems understanding the difference between recommendation and nomination here?
No one will nominate him for any goddamn award.

I wasn't expecting him to concede defeat.
Who would've died if he didn't make the call or if he incited violence? Trouble makers!
Trouble makers would die and he would still hand over just as he did. Even if he resisted, he couldn't have withstood the heat and the hand over would still hold on May 29.


You think people are being nominated for the Award on pages of newpapers? Wake me up when he gets it.

I'm damn tired of Ibo obsession with anything Yoruba.

Of course, Tinubu should be the Role Model of any serious politician in this country. I've always admired him and I think the new opposition party, PDP, should make him a case study if they ever want to get to Abuja again.

Of course, Tinubu should be the Role Model of any serious politician in this country. I've always admired him and I think the new opposition party, PDP, should make him a case study if they ever want to get to Abuja again.

basilo101:
Was it not El Rufai dat said igbos own 70% of landed property in abuja wit anambra toping and ebonyi d least? Y are people talking rubish abt dat? Most finest estated in abuja are buit by Nwora, a badass estate developer frm Anambra

Gwarinpa Estate( the largest in Africa, I think) was developed by a Yorubaman from Osun State. The Estate with all its extensions covers not less than 10% of the total landmass of the Abuja Municipal and that's just one of the many Estates he developed. For God's sake, nobody even know this man, because he's not a noisemaker.

Nokia could soon be the largest maker of mobile phone network equipment in the world ahead of Ericsson and Huawei. It justacquired French telecom equipment maker Alcatel-Lucent for 15.6 billion euros ($16.6 billion), or more than double the $7 billionMicrosoft paid for its Windows Phone handset arm. The Finnish company also acquired Alcatel-Lucent's famous Bell Laboratories (established by Alexander Graham Bell in 1880) along with its numerous patents. With three major labs altogether, Nokia said "the combined company will be in a position to accelerate development of future technologies including 5G... as well as sensors and imaging." The merged businesses will run under the Nokia banner, but Bell Labs will keep the Alcatel-Lucent name.
Nokia won't necessarily be jumping into the Android business, as the company that makes Alcatel smartphones is a separate joint venture between Alcatel-Lucent and China's TCL. Nokia took pains to point out that while the merged business would be headquartered in Finland, France will remain "a vibrant center of the combined company." It added that it'll stick with Alcatel-Lucent's employment commitments in France -- no doubt because the Gallic nation is a shareholder and has been touchy about acquisitions of French companies likeDailymotion. The deal is scheduled to close in 2016.
Nokiasaid it may also sell off itsHere mapping division to focus on the network business, but would only do it if the price was right. It was reportedly considering a sale to a German automaker consortium and even Uber, according to Bloomberg.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0N60CL20150415?irpc=932

The message of hell fire is a false teaching and I'm not ashamed to say it's a doctrine of the devils.

Edited;

Get this straight. Our God of LOVE isn't going to torture the lost with fire for the ceaseless ages to come, all for a SHORT life of sin, in a body that is PRONE to sin because of the fall of Adam and Eve. Maybe the Bible teaches about the lost burning forever? ... No it doesn't!
John 3:16 ...'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.'
The most well known Bible verse in the whole world. And yet so few people actually KNOWS what it is saying! There are only TWO options for us. One is to follow Christ Jesus and GAIN eternal life. The other is to not follow Christ Jesus and PERISH. We all know what perish means right? To be COMPLETELY destroyed ... nothing left! And when you learn the truth that we don't have an immortal soul, then this really makes complete sense.
Now don't get me wrong. The lost WILL be judged and punished with "hell fire", which Revelation chapters 19 and 20 describes as the "lake of fire". But that fire will "burn them up" (Malachi 4:1) and they will die the "second DEATH" (Revelation 21:. And this agrees with what God foretold long ago, when He said ... "the soul that sinneth, it SHALL DIE."(Ezekiel 18:20)

Friends, this teaching of eternal hell fire is from satan to make God look like a mad tyrant who enjoys making people suffer, and in no way is it Bible truth!

Who wan drown in the Lagoon?

Observing...

I'm formally congratulating the People's General, his running mate, and all the people of Nigeria.

alaoeri:

Don't just base it on your own thought, check their square kilometers from a map & from the last census the population will clear your doubts, ogbomoso is way bigger & more populated than Ilorin.

You probably do not know much about Ilorin or never been there. Go and check the official population of Nigerian cities in 2006 and tell me the position of the two cities. The city is growing like grass.

alaoeri:

Try to understand they ain't referring to the whole of Kwara state but its capital alone which is Ilorin, am much more sure the population of Ilorin isn't as much as that of ogbomoso.

Ogbomoso is no where near the population of Ilorin.
Apart from Lagos and Ibadan, no city is bigger than Ilorin in the whole of South West.

Obanikolo will not be passed. Adeleye, you can now hang yourself.

lovat:
I served in Bode Saadu but it was hell, I can't imagine the suffering people are going through there, its hell so don't paint a picture of gloom and the popular biz there is *Chemist Shop*

You certainly don't know the location of hell. For all I know, most parts of the country are like that, but you make it sound as if it's exclusive to the state. I painted the picture of where I grew up- just few miles from Hell-Saadu- for you to know that there's Moro LGA beyond Bode Saadu. Consider yourself lucky. I visited a friend Rivers during our service year, in addition to what you're complaining about, there was no network and no light.
I know of a settlement just 10minutes drive from the Aso Villa that's worse than Bode Saadu in every aspect- high cost of living, dirty environment etc. I wonder what you'd say about where I served if you go there. Saadu isn't the best place to be, no doubt, but larger part of the State including the Igbaja the OP is talking about are more decent than most places in this country- I've been to not-less-than 700 LGAs.
This is Nigeria.

lovat:
Kwara state is the worst place to serve, no water, no toilets, private skul pay 2k, the people see the corpers as their gods and the corpers earn more than most of them in their local govt. It was hell that I had to do *Ghost Corper* tins. The state govt is even worst than BH. Criminals everywhere

I spent the 1st-19th year of my life at Jebba, Moro LGA of the State. I lived at Colony to be precise and I swear, I know nothing about no light, no toilet, no water that you're talking about. This a State where a little amount gives you so much and if you're earning N19800 monthly and you can not get yourself a decent life anywhere in Moro- at least an accommodation with a good Toilet- you need help.
You are lucky your allowee was increasf a bit higher than the minimum wage, otherwise you would be earning about half the amount earned by a cleaner in the LG Office. I served in Gombe State at a time when the allowee was N9,750. No light, no water and I had to live in a "Channel 0"-round mud house. A direct contrast to what's obtainable where I was coming from, but instead of doing "ghost corps member" like you. I and my colleagues contributed to the development of that place by sinking a bole-hole. That's the spirit of NYSC.