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Billyonaire:
I am not surprise at your intolerance. Ignorance fertilizes the Ego, and the Ego is the false construct of Self designed by versions of truths. Your version of truths. That is how fragile truth based on the construct of false Ego reacts when faced with convincing truth which fractures the foundation of your relative truth.

You have on plural circumstances mentioned Islam in your write up, even though I weighed on all Religions ever invented by the Overlords of Primordial days, because you seek moral support from your congregant who are ruled by emotion. I will not be tempted to descend so low as to criticize Islam myopically because of an ignorant crusader who can not actually make a point without attacking my person instead of my ideology.

My point remains and always will remain, that Science and Facts will always defeat relative relative truths built on the false contructs of the ego, which is so fragile to the point that you get emotional on the mention of your religion. Do you know Allah ? Do you know Jehovah ? Do you know Abraham or Abram ? If you know these mentioned names and the personalities behind those names, then you will understand that you are too small for me to insult, because my purpose will be defeated if I attack your person and not the contructs that has made you less than human.

Do not insult my person, not today, not tomorrow and not forever. I advise you click on the Username Billyonaire and read my threads and posts before you disgrace yourself before your followers. I will make you look so silly with facts and knowledge of Absolute Truths, Truths can is capable of setting you free from your ignorance of the History of Allah, Jehovah and the other Lords you so worship and kill for.

Peace Be Unto You.

You fool! you think you are intellectual cause you make verbose affectations, You lack the intellect to make good on any of your threats.

And as regards all your questions, if you must know, i have an understanding of them.

As you said about muslims and the "Lords you so worship and kill for" first of all you half-baked fool, There
Is only 1 lord in Islam, and if you feel that way about muslims go to your ilk, they will tolerate your balderdash.

Again i must reiterate, for one to post on this topic, a prompt will appear asking one to affirm or reject adherence to Islam, i dont know why this heathen is lurking here and he even has the effrontery to discuss and cast aspersions on Islam and promote his idiocy.

We muslims are direct descendants of Adam (a.s) as for other people that claim to have been descended from apes and other primordial creatures, you can go to your fellow creatures.

sarahade:
My brother call it whatever you like but we know say woman sabi hold body how do i know this I'm a woman.
As for aja adugbo even a married woman can be ajaadugbo(loose) dear.
Its not better to be suffering and smiling dear .
Why can't men take being with one partner with good faith and be patient with her. Hypocrites!!!
Every woman deserve to be happy.

Bismillah,

Allah in his infinite wisdom created both men and women, and he legislated marriage 0f a man and up to four women if he can be just amongst them.

He knows fully well what each soul(male/female) is inclined to, if the woman is jealous let her be jealous it is not a sin, but for her to try to forbid what Islam has allowed, is very dangerous.

In my opinion these arguments are bordering on the feministic point of view and SOME of them are diametrically opposed to Islam and as such it is not for a believer to follow them.

Billyonaire:
Your words confused you, Yes, I mean no mistake. Your statements confuse you. I am not religious. I am a full human being with knowledge of all the religions in this world. I own the Koran, I own the Bible, I own the Sharia-Ki Sugmad, I own the Gospel of Barnabas and many other books belong to Buddhism, Sikkism, Taosm, Hinduism and I have plenty of Science journals on Quantum Dynamics, Digital Physics, Biogenesis, Astrophysics, Astrology, etc.

I had to tell you this, so you can have a brief overview of the Mind that you are interacting with. I am a sane Human Being without the extremism that comes with Masculinity.

I am Soul with a body and you are Soul with a body and we are Spirit at our core. The fact that Soul is birthed into Planet Earth to experience Life and return to source, and soul made choice to be female or male does not mean Female are less humans that must be controlled by men using the instrumentation of Religion.

What locus standi does a man have, to with the instrumentation of ETs institute a religion to control 4 women and impregnate them and send them out on the streets to suffer with kids begging for alms, while a man glorifies himself with his masculine hormones to have sexual intercourse at will and wish while the female entities remain like slaves.

You can choose to hide under the dogma of religion, but as a core Scientist who knows the Origin of Earth and the manipulations of the overlords, I stand against all forms of slavery, including slavery in the name of religions, be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc.

I am above all religions, and I am not bound by the lower earth entities because I know what I am, and I know what you are. Do not allow your Ego to make slavery out of women. I am not interested in your preaching about control of promiscuity, because it is hypocritical to marry 4 wives and expect women to manage your dilapidated dicks because you call yourself a Man. It is idiocy and it is why Islam breed terrorism more than every other religion. Do not defend a religion you did not invent, and do not attack me for Allah. Let Allah fight for himself.

Guy, what you said is just so stupid on all levels,

1st of all islam is guidance from Allah (the creator of everything) the most knowing so it is not up for debate by even the Muslim not to talk of the faithless like you.

You may feel intellectual by saying you own a set of books, SO WHAT?? What do you think you know, yoi think the other people here dont understand philosophy or your false claim of adherence to the scientific approach,

Islam is above any consideration, so you can take your faithless carcass and join other people that share in your delirium.

And for anybody to post on this page they must state that they are muslims​, as you said you are "above religion" why are you here

Johnpele:
My husband had an accident after 1 year 9 months
of our marriage and his organs were affected so
badly and landed him on a wheel chair .
It is so bad because nothing can be done, all the
hospitals we have gone to. They are not too rich to
travel out either.

After 4years of going to hospital to hospitals, his
parents called me telling me to try and get
pregnant for their son but it should not be from
any of his relation at all. That I should keep it as a
secret I will take to my grave.

This secret is amongst just me, him and his
parents, no one else knows he is impotent.

He has been a torn to me. I am finding this very
hard to do, but he is still making life miserable for me.

No support from him, anytime I return, he will tell me to first go into the bathroom and i should not seat on his bed, I will not even embrace him, even after bathing, he will not allow me bring his food, he
treats me like a piece of tissue. I have not even
decided to sleep with anybody yet, though it has
been 9 months they told me that, it is really a tough one for me.

I so love my husband, I do not believe in having
extra marital affairs, but the way he sees me like a dirty thing makes me to call him one day and ask for a divorce.

Last week I went for a wedding, I drove myself
because the driver does not come on weekends,
we have a nanny, before leaving I made him bitter
leaf soup and pounded yam, that was what he
asked for. When I left, I have not even gotten to the
wedding venue, he started asking, who am i with? ,
who is the man? I was shocked. I told him nobody.
Every hour he calls, it got to a length, I stopped
picking so as to have peace. When I came back
from the wedding, he threw packs of condom at
me, called me a Free s*x worker and all.
I am tired. He is their only male child amongst 5
girls.

What can you say about this?

Source: http://datebadoo..nl/2017/04/my-husband-wants-me-to-sleep-with-another-man.html

See, marriage is marriage, adultery is adultery, don't confuse them cause they cannot co-exist.

Teensway:
Please NLders,

I'm still a teenager but through with my high school. So i decided to look for money and i got this job to work as supporting staff at a microfinance bank. I worked there for 4 months and stopped working Yesterday after receiving this month salary. I travelled today to register for jamb from my salary and when i got back home, my mum said my boss came looking for me that i must submit my resignation letter. I wrote the letter and gave it to him, he collected it and returned it telling me that i must return the salary. He said i should have given the company one month notice before i would have been eligible for my salary or else the company will come to our house and seize some property. I told him to show me where those terms were written in agreement i signed, he got angry and started calling me names and threatened me. Please what should i do, abeg help me.


NB: I left because of my boss(branch manager) and the remaining loan officer started asking me to do jobs that were not part of

Guy 1st things first NO SHOW THE GUY ANY FEAR.

STOP CALLING HIM SIR or using any term of respect.

STAY CALM EVEN IF HE THREATENS YOU (DONT THREATHEN HIM BACK),

DON'T ALLOW HIM TO SUMMON YOU TO HIS OFFICE AND TELL YOU NONSENSE. (YOU ARE NOT ANSWERABLE TO HIM)

GO TO THE VILLAGE HEAD, OR ANYBODY OF INFLUENCE IN YOUR AREA THAT WILL NOT TRY TO EXTORT YOU, AND PRESENT YOUR PROBLEM TO HIM.

AND DONT ALLOW HIM TO WALK INTO YOUR HOUSE AS IF HE OWNS THE PLACE.

sambright:
When we export, they pay us in dollars; when will import, we pay them in dollars...is it that our Naira is not acceptable in making business transactions outside our climes and why do we keep basing our business transaction on the dollar.

@sambright i dont know for them ooh, its just politics and more precisely political exploitation ooh, they stole 4rm africans through colonialism, now they do it through forcing them to accept "world bodies" like IMF and the implementation of policies that will mainly further their own interests/agenda to our great expense.


And the worst part is that the people at CBN will say we are trying to boost the NAIRA/Economy while boosting other currencies and they will call the same people that this current situation is working in their favour (as experts) and expect them to just come and and reverse it to our favour.

They will tell the people "Buy Made In Nigeria" or whatever but the government doesn't "Buy Made in Nigeria".


You know even PMB recently said when he refused to devalue the Naira as the IMF recommended that was when he was overthrown. Gaddafi and Saddam too, they were just talking about their actions on TV but when they sought to move away from the dollar, that was when they had to go.

Mugabe when he sought to reduce the white mans influence on Zimbabwe (the white people that are not native to Zimbabwe, own majority of the farming land.) The same white people that were fighting and killing them when he and them Mandela were fighting apartheid. Because he just took back the land that they claimed as their own and gave it back to the black people they placed​ sanctions on him that make his government incapable of delivering on the basics that it should be able to. Then they say he can't even provide for his people that are dying of hunger, forgetting that their sanctions are what caused​ the situation in the 1st place.

Yahya Jammeh had a nice statement that he made when accused by western backed journalists of failing " abject poverty drove the Europeans to Africa (colonialization) they should pay back interest on what they have stolen"

They sabotage africans and blame them for the predicament that they place them in. They label them "3rd World" & "under-developed".

Beacuse we are Nigerians and we get a full dose of reality on a daily basis we know that "The hope on a politicians tongue never ever trickles down to the city".
And in the words of pete edochie "a set of white teeth (even a white face) is not an assurance of a good heart".

Enough said.

Very simple to use, its so straight forward that if i tried explaining it, it will make it sound complicated.

If we can get the dried fish, how much in terms of quantity/amount (weight or ₦) can you buy?

How often would you buy, like monthly or is just a 1 time deal??

Is it only the dried sawa that you want??

castro316:
I really need a large ssupply of plantain to lagos. Tell me what the logistics are and how much it is being sold where it is coming from and we have a deal. Reply me ASAP

Do you still need the plantains? If yes, we also have bananas nd d plantains r calabar.

We will begin selling fish in large quantities, but not dried fish. R u still interested? Or is it only dried fish that you want?

We r based in nassarawa state

We may be able to provide you, what is your location?

Use ADM

Subscribe to Ntels 1 day unlimited data plan for 1k.

You should read up on the concept of currency, the dollar only has the current value it has because the majority if not all of opec members sell their oil in exchange for the dollar hence creating the demand for it and boosting the curency thereby.

There is nothing special about the dollar, the American dollar is a separate curency, if Nigeria were to adopt the dollar, it would not make Nigerias currency equal to the american dollar, they would still be 2 different currencies.

Ntels 2day unlimited plan is 1k

It will be far cheaper than u going out to buy.

jimmyjenseng:
Yahweh = The Canaanite pagan god.
Allah = The head of the 360 Arab pagan gods.
Conclusion = Both religions are worshipping gods created by pagans ergo, none is true.

Good afternoon, Mr Jimmyjenseng I would advise you to look into Islam from its authentic sources.

1 --- You say Abraham was not sent to his people, but he was sent out from his people.

Q - How could he be sent out in the first place if he was not there??

The Quran states that:

“And (remember) Ibraaheem (Abraham) when he said to his people: ‘Worship Allaah (Alone), and fear Him: that is better for you if you did but know.

You worship besides Allaah only idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship besides Allaah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allaah (Alone), and worship Him (Alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (Alone) you will be brought back’”[al-‘Ankaboot 29:16-17]

After this they sought to kill him but Allah saved him:

After saving Ibraaheem from the fire, Allaah commanded him to leave Mesopotamia and migrate to the Holy Land in Palestine. He married his cousin (the daughter of his paternal uncle) – Saarah – and set out with her and his brother’s son Loot for Syria, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We rescued him and Loot (Lot) to the land which We have blessed for the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:71]

Then great hardship befell the land of Syria, so Ibraaheem moved to Egypt with his wife, then he came back to Palestine, bringing his wife and a slave woman of hers called Haajar. Ibraaheem longed to have children, but his wife was barren and had grown old. When she saw how much her husband longed to have a child, she gave her slave woman, Haajar, to him. So he married her and was blessed with his son Ismaa’eel from her:

After Haajar gave birth to Ismaa’eel, Saarah began to feel jealous, so she asked Ibraaheem to send them away from her. Allaah revealed to Ibraaheem that he should take Haajar and the infant Ismaa’eel and take them to Makkah. So he took them and left Haajar and her child Ismaa’eel in an bleak, isolated place in which there was no water, then he left them and went back to Palestine. Haajar said to him, “For whom are you leaving us in this forsaken valley?” But Ibraaheem went and left her, and she said, “Has Allaah commanded you to do this?” He said, “Yes.” She said, “Then Allaah will not cause us to be lost.”

Ibraaheem submitted to the command of his Lord and patiently bore the separation from his wife and child. Then he turned towards where they were at the Sacred House and prayed for them in the following words (interpretation of the meaning):

“O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah) in order, O our Lord, that they may perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah). So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allaah) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks”[Ibraaheem 14:37]

Haajar stayed in Makkah, eating the food and drinking the water that Ibraaheem had left for her and her son. When that ran out, she and her son became thirsty. She looked for water, and climbed the hill of al-Safaa but she did not see anything. Then she climbed the hill of al-Marwah but she did not see anything. She did that seven times, then she turned towards Ismaa’eel and saw water gushing from beneath his feet. She rejoiced and drank some, and gave some to her son to drink. Then a tribe – Jurham – came to Haajar and asked her permission to settle by the water. She gave them permission and they settled beside her. When Ismaa’eel grew up, he married one of their women and learned Arabic from them.

During this period, Ibraaheem used to visit his son from time to time. On one of these visits, Ibraaheem saw in a dream that Allaah was commanding him to sacrifice his son Ismaa’eel. The dreams of the Prophets are true, so Ibraaheem resolved to obey the command of Allaah, even though he was old and Ismaa’eel was his only son. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: ‘O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!’ He said: ‘O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In sha’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).’

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: ‘O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!’ Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram)”

[al-Saffaat 37:101-107]

Then Allaah gave him the glad tidings of another son, who was Ishaaq, and then Ibraaheem returned to Palestine:

“And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous[al-Saaffaat 37:112 – interpretation of the meaning]

Ishaaq was born to him from his wife Saarah:

“And his wife was standing (there), and she laughed [either, because the messengers did not eat their food or for being glad for the destruction of the people of Loot (Lot)]. But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac), and after Ishaaq, of Ya‘qoob (Jacob)”

[Hood 11:71 – interpretation of the meaning]

Then Ibraaheem stayed in Palestine for a while, then he returned to Makkah for an important reason. Allaah had commanded him to build in Makkah the first House to be built for the worship of Allaah. So Ibraaheem undertook this task of construction, and his son Ismaa’eel was lifting up the stones to him. When the walls grew higher, Ibraaheem stood on a rock, and this is the Station of Ibraaheem (Maqaam Ibraaheem) which is to be found in the vicinity of the Ka’bah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) and (his son) Ismaaee‘eel (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah), (saying), ‘Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower’”

[al-Baqarah 2:127]

Allaah commanded Ibraaheem and Ismaa’eel to cleanse the House of idols and other impurities so that it would be pure for those who would circumambulate it and stand and bow and prostrate (in prayer). When Ibraaheem built the House, Allaah commanded him to call mankind to perform the Hajj, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And proclaim to mankind the Hajj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj)”

[al-Hajj 22:27]

Then Ibraaheem offered this great supplication for Makkah and for those who live in it:

“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) said, ‘My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allaah and the Last Day.’ He (Allaah) answered: ‘As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!’”

[al-Baqarah 2:126 – interpretation of the meaning]

Then he prayed for himself and his descendents, saying:

“Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manaasik (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage — Hajj and ‘Umrah), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful”[al-Baqarah 2:127-128 – interpretation of the meaning]

Then he prayed for the people of the sanctuary, that Allaah would send to them a Messenger from amongst them, who would call them to worship Allaah Alone. He said:

“Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur’aan) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily, You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 1:129 – interpretation of the meaning]

Allaah responded to the prayer of His Prophet Ibraaheem. He made Makkah a place of security, He blessed its people with fruits and sent to them a Messenger from amongst themselves, who was the Seal of the Prophets and Messengers, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). All praise and thanks be to Allaah.

After Ibraaheem, Prophethood remained with the Children of Israel for a long time, until Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) from among the descendents of Ismaa’eel as a Messenger to all of mankind, and commanded him as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah…’”[al-A’raaf 7:158]

Allaah commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to follow the religion of Ibraaheem, as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, We have sent the Revelation to you (O Muhammad saying): ‘Follow the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham) Haneef (Islamic Monotheism — to worship none but Allaah) and he was not of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers)”[al-Nahl 16:123]

Ibraaheem’s advice to his children was to adhere to the religion of Islam and follow its commands until they died. Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“And this (submission to Allaah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibraaheem (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya‘qoob (Jacob) (saying), ‘O my sons! Allaah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims — Islamic Monotheism)’” [al-Baqarah 2:132]

O Allaah, send blessings upon Ibraaheem and upon the family of Ibraaheem, for You are Praiseworthy, Most Glorious.

Other Prophets who were alive at the time of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) were Loot, Ismaa’eel, Ishaaq, and Ya’qoob. Then came Yoosuf, then Shu’ayb, then Ayyoob, then Dhu’l-Kifl. Then Allaah sent Moosa and Haaroon (peace be upon them and may the best of blessings and peace be upon all the Prophets).

You asked who was the prophet of the Arabs during the time of Moses. This was a question i asked you earlier that you ignored/forgot and are presenting it to me. The reason I asked you this was because you stated that when Moses and the Israelites were leaving Egypt how did the Arabs pray, you even stated that their mode of worship was different from Moses so you call the idol worshippers/pagans more or less. So please answer my question that I asked as regards this point:

Who was the messenger of the Arabs at that that time, and how did they pray for you to determine that it was different from the way Moses did. Please cite your sources.

You then started hurling insults and slurs about the prophet, with no citation from any authentic source and just made claims. please present your sources. If this kind of language is going to continue from you Mr. Truthman i wold leave you to your post because it would no longer be an intellectual argument aimed at finding truths but just verbal match.

In fact, the Quran confirms that islamic worship is the custom of pagans:

[Quran 2:158] Pickthal Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware (Quran 2:158)

The Qur'an doesn't say as custom of Abraham and Ishmael is.

First of all an authentic Hadith states that 70 prophets performed Hajj including Musa(moses).

This verse that you mention:
1 --- The bracket is an addition by the translator not a verse of the Quran.
2 --- The verse was revealed to inform them that they should go round the two mountains as part of their pilgrimage. Because after
they forgot the message of their prophets some of them fell into idol worship and there was an idol placed on each mountain
so after the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came and renewed the message of the previous prophets they hesitated
to go round the mountains even though the idols were all destroyed as they didnt want to fall back into paganism. This verse
commands them to go round the mountains as there are no longer any pagan idols on them.

You said "Was Sarah and her children in Israel to spread islam? There is no islam without Kaaba. Did Sarah and her children visit Kaaba to worship? The fact that they did not recognize Kaaba shows Abraham was not the builder."

Sarah was not a prophet. Pilgrimage round the ka'bah was not made compulsory on the people (as i had already mentioned 70 prophets have been reported to have visited the Ka'bah) until the 22nd year of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him message).


Moses was Israelite not Jewish, Judaism is a belief that rejects any prophet after Moses (Peace be upon him) and claims that Jesus (peace be upon him) was illegitimate, Isrealites are a tribe/nation. So you should look deeply into this.

Every language addresses god in their own language. I dont know why you insist that they should all speak the same language??
If the isrealites said Yahweh and the Arabs said Allah how is that a contradiction. I already explained to you Abraham spoke Aramaic if he didnt address god as Yahweh does that mean he is not a messenger??

I already explained the point about Ismail earlier.

Can you point to any Islamic teaching that shows that the crescent/moon is a part of islam Please present your sources.

Explain to me why sculptures of human beings (supposedly mary/jesus/or other people) are common occurences in churces?

You said "Muslims recognize Torah and Injil as the words of God. Even though some islamists do not believe Torah is the Old Testament and Injil the New Testament in the Bible. Unfortunately, they could not produce the original Torah and Injil."

No muslim believes that the original revelations of the Torah and Injil are what is being presented today, The original scriptures are lost hence Allah revealed the Quran. You said the muslims cant produce the original Torah or Injil we already know they are lost the onus is on the people who claim to have it to produce it.


If Abraham was not a Jew, why about his descendants?

By their own accounts (The jewish people) "Our history begins with Israa’eel (Israel) – namely Ya‘qoob ibn Is-haaq ibn Ibraaheem al-Khaleel (Jacob son of Isaac son of Abraham the Close Friend of Allah – peace be upon them all) – who grew up and lived in the land of the Canaanites (Palestine), who had twelve sons from four wives, as follows:

Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulun – their mother was Leah

Joseph (Yoosuf – peace be upon him) and Benjamin (Binyameen) – their mother was Rachel (Raaheel)

Dan and Naphtali – their mother was Bilhah, the handmaid of Rachel

Gad and Asher – their mother was Zilpah, the handmaid of Leah

The twelve sons were the origin of the Israelite tribes.

Then comes the famous story of Joseph (Yoosuf – peace be upon him) with his brothers and their father Jacob (Ya‘qoob – peace be upon him), and how Israel (Jacob) and his sons moved to live in the land of Egypt, where they were honoured and respected under the auspices of Joseph (peace be upon him).

After the deaths of Jacob and Joseph (peace be upon them), with the passage of time and the succession of kings, the situation of the Children of Israel in Egypt changed from one of honour and respect to one of humiliation and ignominy, because the Pharaoh of Egypt persecuted and enslaved the Israelites

Moses was sent to Israel, Abraham was sent to his People Who were Aramaic and lived in Mesopotamia, Ismail was sent to the arab people he grew up with in the Arab Peninsula.

While they were all messengers of god they were sent to specific people if i remember clearly from the Bible as you have it it says "Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel" Moses was "sent to deliver israel". All these show you that they were sent to a specific tribe or people. The nation of Israel had their separate prophets/messengers and the Arabs had theirs, only the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to the whole world.

Now if Allah commanded Abraham to take his wife Hajar to Makkah (and later build the Ka'bah) and Sarah and her son to Palestine that is Allahs choosing. The whole point of Allah sending messengers is that the religion of Islam be spread to all nations. I dont understand why you insist that the Isrealites and their messengers should have moved to Makkah and be worshipping at the Ka'bah. Abraham himself who was commanded to build the Ka'bah was not living in Makkah, rather he would visit.

The Whole earth is suitable for worshipping Allah. The Isrealites had their separate messengers and their separate commands just like the Arabs had theirs. Again I repeat only the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to humanity in general. For example when Joseph was in Israel and his father was elsewhere does that nullify Josephs message.

You also seem confused Moses did not preach Judaism (not from the Islamic or Christian point of view) Moses was sent to the people of Israel not Jews (they are not the same thing). You mention Jews and Bible as if they are synonymous. The belief of Judaism excludes belief in the Bible or Jesus (peace be upon him)

The Isrealites under moses had nothing to do with Ka'bah because Allah sent him to deliver Israel to the promised land of Palestine.

Allah was always Allah, bear in mind that Ismael when his father took him to Makkah met the Arab people there so that means that Arabs where already established and living in that area and the Islamic traditions mention that 4 prophets were Arab excluding Ismail.

You say that Allah (Glorified be he above all imperfection) was something else and there was an idol of him in the Ka'bah at the time of Moses. First of all I am very sure you don't understand modern day Arabic not to talk of the the classical arabic of those days in question so let me assure you that Allah is derived from two arabic words "AL" meaning "THE" and "ILAH" roughly translated as "GOD".

Allah (Glorified and exalted be he) was never an idol worshipped by any muslim. It is well known that as the Arabs drifted away from the message of Abraham and Ismael and their other messengers. They fell into idol worship thereby leaving the guidance of their messengers​. So what people do is not islam but what the messengers preached is Islam.

It would interest you to know that even statues and animate drawings are prohibited in Islam. Infact the very reason Ibrahim (peace be upon him) left his homeland was because he destroyed the peoples idols and they sought to kill him. So if pagan arabs worshipped idols that is there action it has nothing to do with the muslims. And it seems that you are intent on painting all Arabs as muslims who all happen to be idol worshippers. Kinship does not make them the same Lots wife did not follow her husband, Abraham's father was an idol-maker, and Noahs son disbelieved in his father. So just because people share the same blood doesn't make them the same.

Have you ever seen a sculpture or image of any living object in any mosque? So how can you accuse muslims of being idol worshippers. But if you will be honest how many churches​ have no graven images or sculptures of people?

You say the jews didn't recognise ka'bah and the Bible prophets didnt visit it. I Already mentioned that Ismail and Abraham built it so i fail to understand your insistance on the messengers of isreal leaving their own nations to come to the Ka'bah are their prayers not acceped in their own lands?. It is Allah that chooses where they propagate their message just as Moses was commanded to take his people to the promised land, Abraham was commanded to take his second wife to Makkah.

You say the bible prophets never talk about kabah and Abraham never built the Kabah. Why do you use the Bible to speak about Abraham, if the Quran (preserved in its pristine original form & language) revealed to his descendant can not speak about him why should the Bible that is a collection of scrolls and accounts by unverifiable people that have never seen Jesus (peace be upon him) be presented as the Gospel that Allah revealed to Jesus speak about him?

Most of the scrolls are in "Konos greek" (i hope i got the name right) not the original Hebrew that Jesus and his people spoke. Furthermore Abraham was not an Isrealite nor could he be Christian or Jewish. As all these religions came into being after him, or is there any account of him speaking thr Hebrew that the Isrealites spoke? If he didn't speak their language would they have called god by the same name??

You say God couldn't be guiding the Isrealites out of Egypt under a different rule from the one the Arabs were under. Is there no account in the Bible of prophets living in different locations at the same time. If there is no such, well in the Quran Ibrahim, his brothers son Lot and his children Ismail and Ishaq lived in the same time. Jesus and Yahya (John) also lived in the same time .

You keep bringing up the name issue, do you think jesus who spoke Hebrew called God "God" he spoke Hebrew so he would say "Elohim", do you expect an Arab to call Allah "God", do you expect Abraham who spoke Aramaic to call God "Elohim". To make it simple Allah revealed to every messenger his scripture in his language and they all had a way of calling God in their languages. Or do you expect them all to speak the same language?

If they had different laws that was what Allah deemed fit and revealed unto his messengers and none of them broke the commands of their Lord, if the people after them distorted their teachings that is something else.


If you claim they had different ways of worship do you know of any messenger that was sent to the Arabs the same time that Moses was sent to the Israelites because in all honesty I don't know. And how did you deduce that their mode of worship was different?? Please elaborate.

You keep mentioning the Bible i have highlighted to you that the Bible is not revelation, the Gospel is revelation of which no pristine original copy can be found​ in the language it was revealed.

1) --- Who was God to the Arabs and how were they worshiping him at the time Yahweh was leading the Israelites out of Egypt?


During the time of moses, Ismail and his father had already built the Ka'bah in Makkah. Also bear in mind that even the pagan Arabs called God "Allah", some of them bore names like Abdullah (The servant of Allah).

As for how they prayed some of them were following the religion of Ibrahim (which was affirmed by his son Ismail and all messengers right down from Adam to Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). The exact manner of their prayer is not known to me, but it is clear that they would supplicate to Allah and the Ka'bah was of great significance​ to them and was revered even by the pagan arabs.

Also bear in mind that Islam, Judaism and Christianity all originated in the Middle East and it is known that some of the Arabs deviated from the guidance of messengers and followed some false religions.


2) --- If Abraham truly established islam, one expects the Israelites to practice it at the time of Moses till the time of Jesus but it was not the case, why?

Islam started from Adam and ended with the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them). Nobody that has an inkling of knowledge about Islam would deny this. As to why they did not follow the guidance of the messengers is something that I cannot answer. It is like saying if "Abraham was a messenger of god why did Pharoah disbelieve in Moses who was also a messenger of god" there are always people that will not submit to the laws of Allah. And they will be brought to account for their actions. I cannot speak for them.

Even the Quran mentions how many nations disbelieved in their lord and how some of the Israelites in particular, disobeyed their messengers, changed the word of God and even killed some messengers.

3) ---. Why would God abandon his names in the Bible and adopt names totally different from what he was known before and no reference is made to his Biblical names in islam?

The Bible is not the book revealed to Jesus (peace be upon him) the gospel was what was revealed to Jesus and I know of no preseved complete copy of the original gospel revealed unto jesus (peace be upon him). The Bible is a compilation of accounts and ancient scrolls which are subject to textual criticism, but still no one in all honesty can say they have a copy of the original Gospel as revealed to Jesus (peace be upon him).

If you say the names of God in the Bible are not reflected in the Quran, the answer is simple the bible is not revelation. What was revealed is the Gospel and no pristine copy of that is known to me.

Even if we presume for argument sake that the Bible is in the pristine condition that it was revealed unto Jesus (peace be upon him). I want you to understand that the names of Allah are discriptions of his attributes, a clear example is "the lord of Israel" the lord would not have a name like John, Jacob or anything similar to human names cause he was not named by anybody, he names himself as he wishes.

If the point you are trying to make is that he was called "Yahweh and Jehovah" and these names are not reflected in the Quran tell me the meaning of these names and I will check whether it is mentioned in Islam.

On that same point dont you think that a prophet like Abraham who spoke Aramaic would have called Allah by a name in his native tongue, but would that mean that if another prophets scripture did not address Allah in the same name would that make the message false??

By the way even Christian​ Arabs call god Allah, in hebrew the original language of the Gospel of Jesus and the Torah of Moses Allah is translated as Elohim. The pronounciation as similar as the languages have many similarities. Note that Christianity and Judaism have their origins in Arab lands.

I just understood the point you were making on the name of Allah better.

Allahs names are whatever he chooses to call himself. Since he has no beginning and has no ending and was not born, nobody was there to name him. He is addressed by whatever name he in his infinite wisdom chooses to address himself.