₦airaland Forum

udezue:
U are so RIGHT. I've been saying it. NIGERIAN LEADERS ARE PRODUCTS OF THEIR OWN SOCIETY AND ENVIRONMENT. IF WE WANT GOOD LEADERSHIP WE WILL HAVE IT WHEN WE CHANGE OUR WAYS.

Lol look who is talkin about changin ways,
Maybe if u stuffed ur pro biafrian rhetoric in a duffle bag,
We could discuss about how to improve the country? Ehn ehn ehn??

udezue:
I will personally shoot u if I could for that statement. Are u even Igbo? U are a big disgrace. Stupid gay. Why don't you decide 1st if u like man or woman or both or if u wanna be a girl b4 u start talking about politics. Idiot. U telling I should be happy they didn't kill thousands? I pray that you lose your family members during a religious or ethnic riot and let me see if you will find it funny. Well like for a demonic idiot like you might still find it funny they didn't murder everyone in your family just 5 of them.

@ least i know if i lost all my fam members, i would not go around havin hatred in my heart for all hausas,
I would do all in my power to find the perperators of such an act and take my hatred out on them,
Dude i've told u, violence is never teh way to go,

Xavie,
So it's ok for u to now be selfish??
@ Why Nigeria doesn't put u first, That's just ridiculous,

naijaking1:
There's nobody who can't remember how his or her country has let him down in one way or another, some people more than others; but at the end of the day, it becomes a question of: is the glass half full or half empty. Awolowo would have told you how the nation disappointed him, so would Zik, Ahmedu Bello--he was even killed, the list of people disappointed by the nation in one way or another is long. The list of people who feel blessed to have a nation(imperfect) they can call their own is longer. On which list do you belong?

Nicely said, @ least we have a country we can call our own,
@ Asha i stronly disagree that naija muslims would support their other muslim counterparts over us, Don't forget that there are yoruba muslims as well

udezue:
Eche is simply a dummy and a detriment to our cause. Efulefu Igbos like you should be eradicated. Even an Oron person says people like you should be eradicated. She is not even Igbo but she can see the danger people like you pose to our cause in the East. Tufia.
http://nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/david-west/101901.html
Igbos were attacked during the invasion of Afghanistan by USA. During their so called protest Hausa ppl killed over 200 Igbos in Kano over the war.

Lol only 200 igbos died
Thought u would even be happy self,
It didn't hit the thousand mark

ebogentle:
Sectionalism, tribalism, sex differences, religious differences, all these get us nowhere but patriotism could.
By the way , i have a question. Does anyone think products of inter-tribal marriages have more nationalist tendencies than products of intra-tribal marriages?

Amen @ patriotism could,

asha 80:
@enziga
Can you give me ONE good reason as to why christians(mainly igbos) were killed in the north because of the cartoon of Mohammed that was drawn in Denmark?A sfor the Afghanistan incident i leave udezue to answer that.

Yeah right, my point is fanatical peeps killed those people,
That does not mean every single hausa person is a potential killer,
Afterall there are tons of hausa christians

9jaganja:
My choice of the president from the south south will be Donald Duke. He's one of the only credible politician in the south south and also capable of getting things done. He has more pros than cons. I personally want the south south to get there in the next election.

That being said, I think we should invite a foreigner to rule. Some well established African American will do. That or I think the British should take over. I personally will vote for anyone I find capable not based on tribe. But I doubt people really think like I do so it's almost hopeless to elect a leader. 150 million people with ethnic, religious differences can never vote a real leader cause of sentiments.

Dude same thing i said and these peeps were attacking me in the other thread,

udezue:
Eche, u are not a smart fellow. The ignorance of ur history is appalling. When US invaded Afghanistan Igbo, Efiks, were attacked and killed. When someone in Denmark printed cartoon about Mohamed, Igbos, Efiks, southerners were killed in the North. So what does that tell you. The fulani will kill you in a second in support of Arabs even when u have nothing to do with it.

Dude GET SOME COMMON SENSE.

Dude u lying much men,
when did igbos get killed for the deaths of the US invadin afghanistan??
how many ppl get killed?? U kidding me,
Please dez stop throwing lies,

asha 80:
@enziga
Stop displaying your ignorance.It is becoming annoying.

Why exactly would an hausa man heed to the command of arabs to kill their own country men?? I know they are big on their religion but for what i've read the black muslims and arab muslims don't exactly love themselves that much

Nigeria's problem is that the people aren't suffering enough,
We never suffer yet, if the masses were througly suffering a revolution would have occured already,
If we were experiencing the type of suffering experienced in somalia/sudan and if the suffering was widespread then Nigeria would rreach it's tipping point and then we can start the growth process,
When some ppl are prospering and some ppl are suffering,
No one strives to make that effort.

stillwater:
For people to be nationalistic, the people have to be selfless first. People always expect to be rewarded when they do something charitable, but when the reward isn't forthcoming it becomes a tug of war. Change the psyche of the individual and a lot things would change.

You can still be part of a tribe and be nationalistic. I don't think I'll go on a fruitless war against Nigeria all because some dude from my tribe is war crazy. As an individual, there's a reason why I have brains to be rational and think things straight.

True True,
we need more thinkers like you

ayo84:
well lets imagine our oil reserves dry up and we are no longer an oil exporting nation.how we'll Nigeria be like.

Simply go back to the farms and get our agriculture on,

[quote author=IGWE_USA link=topic=228735.msg3427714#msg3427714 date=1233799302]Ok. I was thinking, what would happen if all nigerians started thinking as Nigeria as being their own personal country, not the nonsense about having your own tribe, your own village etc. For example, in the United States before it became a perfect union, people thought of themselves of being citizens of their respective states not as being citizens of the USA. It was till the constitution was passed that people finally identified with the country as being theirs and theirs alone. What would happen if an Igbo man instead of building a hospital in his own village/state/tribe went to Gombe/Hausaland and built a hospital/school/laid pipe bourne water. It doesn't even have to be an Igbo man, it could be a yoruba man/Hausa man doing the same thing in different parts of the country,
@ poster
guud idea but i no work. Igbo men have been building infrastructures in all parts of naija like no mans business, yet some group of idiots are only good in burning and destroying them.

Which infrastructures have igbo people been building all over nigeria
Bridges?? Schools? Hospitals? Where is proof?

udezue:
Hausa fulani will choose Arab anytime any day over ur dumb black Igbo ass. I dare u to try any nonsense with a Lebanese in Nigeria. They will try you and execute you on the spot.

[/quote]I seriously doubt an hausa man would choose arabs over their fellow nigerians, Dez

Kobojunkie:
Well, since I am a human being who has Christian values first, I will go ahead and give it a go. If Nigeria where in war with a “Christian” country, I would not fight. I would get on my knees and ask GOD for information on how I can better the lives of people in rest of the world, as the two duke it out. Roflmao!!!

For one, the Christian belief does not in any way demand one pledge allegiance to any “Christian” nation, so I would seriously have to question the Christianity of the so called Christian Nation. Roflmao!!
I still disagree with that idea! It still does not make much sense as we have persons in the country today, and even on Nairaland who claim to be Patriots, yet that country continues to sink.

Kobo u got jokes lol,

naijaking1:
Imagine this scenerio:

For those that put religion 1st--- You wake up one day and Nigeria is fighting a war with say Islamic republic of XYZ. Since you're a muslim first before being a Nigeria, would you join other "infidel" Nigerian Christians/pagans to fight your bretheran in the Islamic republic XYZ, or would you join your religious brothers in a foreign Islamic republic to fight your fellow Nigerians? Same scenerio applies to Christian fanatics, but I see it more likely among the muslims.

Nigeria will truely become independent when everybody will become a Nigerian first, and whatever second.

Thank you my brother for your post, My point exactly, Would you choose arab muslims to sluaghter your Nigerian Brothers/sisters?

udezue:
LOL I can see this confused batty boy Eche Emole don carry his fruity ass wahala come Nairalanfd. Useless stupid Igbo boy who hates the fact that he is Igbo. No even take am serious. U gotta love who u are 1st b4 u start loving another name given to in 1914 by a white man from UK.

I AM IGBO 1st. I also got Efik/Ibibio blood. I AM PROUD OF MY KWA IGBO HERITAGE.

My family have also married people from different ethnic nations, Yoruba, Ijaw, Itsekiri,etc. I have Edo best friend, African American best friend, Igbo best friend, Yoruba, Efik friends. I AM still IGBO TILL I DIE.

Biafran, Igbo, Efik are what I identify with. My Eastern neighbors Ijo, Ogoni, Idoma, Efik, etc are the people that I tend to gravitate to. WAS BORN IGBO WILL DIE AS IGBO. When there is trouble, where will I run to for safety? Eastern / Southern region.

BIAFRA kwenu!!! IGBO KWENU!!!. IGBO MMA MMA NU.

Lol you have coem to start with m dez, I know you will be the only one saying something different, I've been on NL since 2k6 just never participated,

vicade:
I know my roots lie in the Oduduwa Lineage or whatever yoruba was called then. My roots don't lie in a Design/Project made by Lord Luggard and his cohorts in 1914. I am not saying Nigeria is not a good idea and my girl friend is a pretty ibo girl and my best mate is Hausa so i dont see myself better nor tribalistic. However i see[i] mysel[/i]f first as a Yoruba boy and put the Yoruba Pride before the Nigerian Pride at a Personal Level

And just like u said, the individual comes first so i believe that is a Bottom Up Approach which i believe is the best approach and will subsequently put Tribe before country

So how exactly do u think the country will prosper if everyone has the same mindset as you do?? This is the main problem I think is at the root cause of Naija's problems apart from our general cowardice, On a personal/private level your yoruba heritage should mean much to you, but your country shouldn't take second place. You should be able to treat everyone the same. Treat a yoruba man as you would treat an igbo/hausa/tiv man,

asha 80:
           Abeg ROFLMAO

So because he had chubby cheeks that means he was corrupt.What an evidence.SHOW ME HIS MANSION HE BUILT AND YOU ARE SHOWING ME HIS CHEEKS.This automatically means that any person thta has chubby cheeks is corrupt. ROFLMAO !!!

lmao yes i would say his cheeks ultimately make him guilty of corruption, @ a time when men were walkin with lean cheeks, he was walkin with chubby cheeks, But in all truth, michael okpara was a stand up dude so what akanu ibiam, That generation is dead, am talkin about the current crop of Naija Leaders,
But come o, why not vote these pastors into office?? Them chris Okotie them and all?? What's wrong with voting the pastors in??

asha 80:
And what made nzeogwu start his madness?

What makes an igbo man go mad is beyond my paygrade, Even if the current regime was being corrupt, @ least things were working @ that time,  Compared to today so better to live with a lil corruption than the mindless corruption going on now,

asha 80:
If i may ask you why are hausa/fulani view themselves as born to rule.Two wrongs do not make a right indeed.

If Neogwu hadn't started his madness, Nigeria would have been just fine,

jumobi1:
Two wrongs don't make a right but would 3 wrongs make a right? Based on your statement, no Nigerian should be allowed to lead Nigeria then. If u say no Igbo has proven that they can rule their states well, we can also agree that no Hausa or Yoruba has. How are we obsessed with being president? Look at Nigeria's history and you will see who is obsessed with being in control on Nigeria.

And that is why i said we should go and get an akata to come and rule us,

Kobojunkie:
He is speaking of himself, isn't that "personal" ?

To say he is muslim/christian first is funny. I mean your religion is a private issue is it not?? But i guess he/she has their reasons,
Still don't see why her/his religion affects them from putting their country first and their tribe second

asha 80:
@enziga



What a funny statement.Show me the mansion Micheal okpara built for himself?You must show evidence

Even better i will show you a pic of the guy, please ppl take notice of his chubby cheeks, Is that not proof that the dude was enjoying life/?

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&rlz=1T5GGLL_enUS271US271&q=Michael+Okpara+

jumobi1:
Tell your father he is WRONG! An Igbo man would be president. Is it the Hausa's and Yoruba's that are cut out for politics? If so, they have failed to prove so.

Jumobi @ the same time, why are igbo's obsessed with being president?? Afterall we have governors who are igbo's who rule their respective states, They haven't proven to me that they can rule their states well, why should we now entrust them to rule the country??
One can make the case that neither have the yorubas/hausas shown the same but yeet they are being allowed to rule, But two wrongs don't make a right, last time i checked,

@ I'm a Muslim first, then a Nigerian, then a Yoruba, then an Offan, then a Kwaran, then a 'Great Ife', then a northerner.

Shouldn't your religion be a personal issue??
and btw please can u ppl show me how one replies directly to another's post on NL? The thing dey confuse person.
[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=228735.msg3426574#msg3426574 date=1233774009]Omo Kwara, this has nothing to do with tribes now.[/quote]You got jokes bro or abi na gurl, Please when people stop you on the street and ask you what country are u from? Oduduwaland?

This whole thread is saddening. So does this mean that there is no hope for Nigeria? Even if Dapo was a notorious womanizer, or a booze drinker etc. So what? does that now mean he hasn't changed?? Can't a man change from his former ways?? Why not give the dude a chance? And if he fails us, what else is new? @ least we would be used to it already, No be so?

@ Yorubas are just some useless punks. I am not Igbo but I cant be a NIGERIAN and see one tribe hating another so much. These Yoruba people are so parochial. screaming out loud that an Igbo can never be Naija president. WHy the hell do they hate Igbos so much ? Is it envy of just hate ? Yoruba people have been southern Naija problem all these while. As we grow older we realize this. If the east had not voted OBJ the muerderer he would not have won. infact, Ekweme was the actual winner of that election. Yorubas have only proved to the world that they are nothing but bunch of hating gays,

My dad has said it from the beginning, btw am igbo. That igbo people are not cut out for politics, even before the British came we culdn't accept any official Eze over us. We are allergic to leadership of any form, thererfore we can't even unite under one leader. That is why igbos should concentrate on growing the economy, that is what we are good @. Moreover, show me an igbo leader that is not corrupt and i will show you the mansion he built in his village. Seriously I am of the firm belief that only an akata can rule naija faithfully, @ least we'll know that the person no get any reason 2 support any tribe, Una no gree??

Posted on: Today at 07:16:02 PMPosted by: morpheus24
Insert Quote
I don't see a problem in having an affinity for one's ethnic group and nationality at the same time as long as one recognizes the equal rights of other ethnic groups that make up the country

Are we the first nation on this planet to have such a complex make up?

it is definitely doable


Thank you o bro.
Afterall wasn't the US made up off irish, german, jews, swedes, french, etc who put aside all their differences and became one?? It is definitely doable in naija

I'm first an Igbo woman before any other.
I can do a sex change (tufia), and acquire male apparatus, still Igbo
I can adopt American citizenship (which I have) but still Igbo
I consciously chose to be Christian, still Igbo
If I were to backslide(Jehovah forbid),still Igbo
Capital changed from Lagos to Abuja, still Igbo
State can change from Imo to Ebonyi or adada, still Igbo
I can braid my hair,perm it or lighten my complexion (tufia), I'll still be Igbo
Biafra or Nigerian,still Igbo
They can zone me to the SS or SW,still Igbo
If the country changed name from Nigeria to Rianega,I'll alays be an Igbo woman
let them merge us sef with Niger republic,always Igbo
That is my identity and I'm proud to be Igbo
If humans lived a thousand lifetimes,I'll always want to come as Igbo.
Igbo for life


Did anyone say you couldn't still remain igbo Didn't u read about what i said about ther people belonging to the 13 states that made up the Union of the United States If Cameroun invaded an Igbo State tomorrow, would igbo's alone rise up to fight them?? NO. The whole country as a whole would resist them. Why can't u be igbo and still be Nigerian??Embrace the whole country and it's peoples as your own and I believe that the country can be chaged through this method.
Think about it, if tomorrow you built something in Gombe State, you think the people there wouldn't recognise you for your achievements?? They would have a more favorable view of igbo's as a whole and be eternally grateful to you

You ara dreaming.


Lol what's wrong with dreaming? I never said it is guaranteed to work, i said i believe it would work, I didn't say i know it would work.

have mercy on a new guy, lol, am really interested in this topic

@ Tell that to awolowo,ozumba mbadiwe,ken saro wiwa and ahmadu bello.Do not kid yourself most nigerian 'intellectuals' are tribalists in their closets

So true

Ok. I was thinking, what would happen if all nigerians started thinking as Nigeria as being their own personal country, not the nonsense about having your own tribe, your own village etc. For example, in the United States before it became a perfect union, people thought of themselves of being citizens of their respective states not as being citizens of the USA. It was till the constitution was passed that people finally identified with the country as being theirs and theirs alone. What would happen if an Igbo man instead of building a hospital in his own village/state/tribe went to Gombe/Hausaland and built a hospital/school/laid pipe-bourne water. It doesn't even have to be an Igbo man, it could be a Yoruba man/Hausa man doing the same thing in different parts of the country,

This was what the youth corps was designed initially to achieve, but everyone knows the youth corps in Nigeria is now in shambles, 

So what do you guys think about this?? Instead of claiming your tribe or being tribalistic, we should move to a more nationalistic spirit in Nigeria. Am not sayin we should do away with tribes/villages but don't put them before your country. Afterall Americans here always go back to the country side where they came from, they never forget where they come from,  But they hold sacred, the sanctity of their Union, 

I strongly believe that Nigerians should start embracing the same nationalism.

Wow @ the dude who said Nigerians are cowards, U hit the nail on the head big time.