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Ibime:
You lack wit bro. Gerrarahia!

Like you would know.

raumdeuter:
What is my business with the discussion? He has his own opinion I have mine which might differ or be similar

I think it exposes how they reason here. Based on who is posting- whether right or wrong - they expect certain other posters to chime in. Herd mentality basically.

obainojazz:
I like the fact you feel important in a faceless forum. Norse god of nairaland... What's your power, Elruditing us to death

You are trying too hard. They have already accepted you.

Unlimited22:
Notice the ringing, deafening silence of Raumdeuter and A40 on this matter.
How the hell can physical attributes be a talent? So if two guitarists are equally good, we'll separate them based on how fat or slim their fingers are?

You can separate them based on their dribbling. Since it is a talent. It applies.

Good thing you did not claim to have followed this argument from your mother's womb. That is my consolation in this...I guess.

obainojazz:
The name is worth... Hemsworth

Lruditor: The name is Bond... Vaga-Bond

I gave you the like under this post. Cherish it. You worked for it.

Don't be offended if CFC fans did not like it. They did not get it.

diggz:
You and wailing over likes sha

That was between 2 CFC fans na. My point there was to show CFC fans still tend to gravitate towards the dumb ones.

Afolabi6046:
talented mad men everywhere Wetin dey vex me about this guy, after coming here to lick Apari's ass and accusing all Blues for being naturally stupid, he still con say potbelly na talent. Low IQ spraying grammar. Henry dem say your height na talent, Let's laugh

Your case is unique, But you telling me my IQ is low makes me laugh even harder. The people you are stanning for (some of the smart ones) can differentiate between a back-handed joke and when serious arguments are being made. You don't even give people the opportunity to question if you are actually daft. You are ebbing towards failing the GRE with this type of reasoning. That is for sure.

Ibime:
We don't care how you look bro. Which kain fruity behavior be this. Gerrarahia men!

Like, that was a joke. I thought they said some of you were MENSA members.

obainojazz:
So you Albino?

So if someone is lighter in complexion than a fair-skinned Nigerian, he must be an albino, not even mixed-race?

Lol

Ibime:
Who be Liam Hemsworth abeg? I never hear that name before. Google dey show one fruity white boy picture. How black man go dey talk say him want resemble one moist white boy?

You sure say this guy dey alright upstairs?

What if I tell you I am lighter in complexion than you?

nateevs:
Eruditor,

I think what you are meaning to put across is how a secondary attribute can aid supreme application of a primary attribute. It doesn't mean the secondary attribute is the talent itself.

The others are saying the word talent cannot be used to describe an attribute that cannot be trained.

I think where the mistake is, is the putting all attributes under the same classification. It is incorrect to reach that conclusion.

If we are using a fixated dictionary meaning of the word, yes. My argument even that time, was that the dictionary meaning did not capture all the essence of the word. It is the same argument I am belaboring now.

airmark:
You are a joke. That's what wholly defines the word 'talent' bro. You can't throw away the word 'ability' embedded in 'talent'. Hazard is not talented because of his low centre of gravity or ikebe.

So says you.

I quoted someone did I not? We are not even saying anything new. I have said all these before.

airmark:
Please define talent for me?

The definition of faith in the dictionary is close to what is in the bible. What is absurd is calling tallness a natural aptitude or skill. So cossy with big booobs is talented, cos of her boobs.

Talent: Traits that may predispose someone to success in a chosen field.

Natural aptitude or skill is one definition of talent and merely describes technical talent. There are varying defintions that capture the other aspects of talent.

CR7 for the most part is a psychological behemoth. That is physically advantaged and technically endowed. That is why people say he is very talented. He covers most of the spectrums of talent in soccer.

airmark:
Better stop embarrassing yourself, you don't need to set up any committee before killing roaches in your room. A swift check on your dictionary would have saved you this macabre dance.

Do you think Dictionaries have an exclusive preserve to define words?

Does the Bible's definition of faith for example, mirror what you see in a dictionary?

I have never seen a group of people call someone wrong, who has opinions from experts backing him when they in return are just brandishing their own non-expert opinions as facts. It is facetious.

thorrvik55:
Yes o...


So if u are asked to list some of usain bolt's talents, u are right if u say he is tall and he does not have pot belly...

Chelsea fans and having sense. Talk about oxymoron.

Okay, is dribbling a talent? How come Maradona is not as good a coach as Mourinho even though one of them was a renowned dribbler?

Because dribbling as a talent is not applied to football managers but it is applied to players.

Use your tongue to count your teeth.

simonjassy:
you are right,happy now?

I am edified.

thorrvik55:
Dats exactly wot im saying, short players like messi and hazard have low centre of gravity and going by ur analysis dat shortness can be referred to as a talent...

Boxers say having longer arms (reach) is an advantage that predisposes said boxer who possesses such to be successful in the sport.

The link I provided above defined Talent as exactly that.

Someone else will now ask me how a boxer can train his arm to be longer and people will say he is not stupid.

airmark:
If you like go and quote Nelson Mandela. You can call tallness an advantage. It is of no use if the player has no skill.

The article you directed me to, also added that many wouldn't agree with the author. Is the author even an English? He failed by not defining the word.

Good to say, that united guy that deactivated because of his big nose, has a nassal talent.

If I like I should quote an expert it does not matter to you?

Lol. And you think you are mocking me?

He never said many will not agree with him. He said it is not the norm to describe talent that way.

But when something is not the norm it could be above the norm or below it. Dullards usually reason below the norm. Average minded people reason at the level of the norm. There is however an ilk of those who reason above the norm. The 1percenters as some would call them because they are few.

Let me just stop there.

thorrvik55:
Since having a pot belly could be considered a talent in some sports, being short can also be considered as a talent in some sports and not having a pot belly could be considered a talent in some sports too...

Having very strong arithmetic abilities is it a talent? Most will say yes.

But is it a talent in playing soccer?

That is why I said talent as is being used is nuanced.

nihilistjnr:
Meanwhile average 100m sprinter is around 6ft tall.

If physical attributes are talent, then elruditor's potbelly is also a talent.

Depending on the sport having a pot belly could be a talent.

Yokozunas will agree.

If anybody cares to know, I am fit. Some will even say I look like Liam Hemsworth.

simonjassy:
don't mind the dude,by the way short,sturdy people have a lower centre of gravity.hence they are naturally better at running and dribbling.I guess that's why people say messi is talented.such a joke.

@nihilistjnr

People in your camp.

nihilistjnr:
So because you found people on the internet who are just as stupid as you, you think that proves that you are right?


Bros you're even more talented than I thought


Maybe you thought you were the only e-diot with access to internet.

newsflash: you are not alone

Okay. There are even more irresponsibly stupid people on here cheering you on.

You are in good company.

odizeey:
bros I no dey follow popular opinion. Even if Isaac newton tells me that height is a talent I go vex for am. Only vex

Okay. Duly noted.

I am not quoting myself though. So you can find that link I quoted and insult the poster.

odizeey:
Even oyinbo that told us we have 9 planets have said its now 8.
Don't be too proud to correct errors

I should be saying that to you people. I mean, what you think is right because dummies re-echo it, does not mean it is right. Abi?

nihilistjnr:
The guy is just stupid

How can some compare quickness to height?

Can you train to be taller?

I guess you could say he is talentedly foolish

Actually, the irresponsibly stupid person is the one who is disregarding opinions of people who independently came to the conclusion I came to when he has no plausible rebuttal save his own over-inflated impression about his own opinion.

Some might even say you have been scarred with stupidity. But jury might still be out on that. IamJ will know better.

odizeey:
I don't need to show you link that the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening. Do you need link to proof that you have a private part?
Bros physical attribute and advantage no be talent.
Will you say someone is a talented tall man?
Even mc oluomo and his boys go laugh you.

Like I said, you are not saying anything new. Mostly regurgitating the same feeble arguments I had to suffer through when this argument was a thing.

During that time, I provided links of people differentiating between categories of talent. You had physical talents, technical talents, and psychological talents etc. On this thread, many people refer to Hazard as someone who balks during the big moments. They are indirectly saying he is psychologically talentless. Drogba seemed to perform best in the finals compared to a Henry for instance. Some argued too that Psychologically Drogba had more talent than Henry yet Technically, he did not.

I actually quoted a link here with someone miles away saying the same thing. And if you do your research, you will find more than 5 people saying same. On the other hand, you will not find one person arguing against them except here.

Should I then disregard more learned people and pander to the whims and caprices of people who know fuckall about the subject matter? I beg not.

simonjassy:
tv broadcast rights,fan club membership,gate fees.

Sorry, they don't make enough revenue from this besides, I am not even sure you understand what netspend is in relation to the way your comrades are using it against Pep.

What they mean is, if you subtract how much City made from selling players to how much they spent on buying players you can have the netspend of the club.

My counterargument is, if you sell Yaya and buy say Fred, your netspend will be 50M. But if you sell Matic and buy Bakayoko your NetSpend will be 5M or so or even 0M.

Now anyone who turns around to say Pep is a cheque book manager because his NetSpend is 50M does not have any sense because Yaya had zero value at the time of his sale compared to a Matic who still did and so on.

odizeey:
I don't think talent and physical attributes are the same bro.

No need to rehash this argument; talent usage is nuanced. There are many links advocating my position. The balanced way to argue your point will be to bring links of others arguing against my position.

And no, posts from Nlders who largely give democratic opinions will not count.

thorrvik55:
Going by dat same logic i guess one can argue dat shortness is also a talent cos u hardly see a tall target man or defender dat is quicker than a shorter compatriot...

Lol. I am not going to say anything new. I made my points with links while back when this argument erupted.

Low center of gravity is implicitly related to speed and pace. Messi, Hazard, Kante are few examples. That is one talent to their repertoire that other talented players like Kanu and Sergio Busquets lack.

So because for e.g Peter Crouch has a HEIGHT (not tallness or shortness) talent advantage does not mean he is more talented than Messi. If we were to list out all Messi's talents, I surmise he would have more talent than every other player in world football.

For instance, Messi's technique in shooting, balance, decision-making, foresight, body movement, dribbling, freekick taking, scoring, tenacity, acceleration etc etc are talents he has that Crouch doesn't.

simonjassy:
southampton sold vvd for 75m, what stops them from buying another player for nearly that same amount?.

Apart from selling players, what other means of heavy revenue do they get as compared to a United, Bayern or RM?

simonjassy:
FM is the closest thing we as ordinary individuals have access to that is similar to actual football management.I am sorry if an erudite such as yourself is not enlightened about it.
Or do you have access to man united club management book records down to the nitty gritty details?.
Finally,learn to pass your message without insults it casts doubts on your supposed status of an 'erudite'.

Ok no vex.

Do you know clubs have something earmarked as "transfer budget"?

Segedinho:
..

Peter crouch is more talented than Messi. .....quite obvious

Chelsea fan right? Quite obvious as well.