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Rich4god:
So do you want to call them middle ages Christians...

Any christian that came after the disciples are just christians, the apostles remain the early christians. They propagated the gospel.

Papist:
And guess what? These early Christians were Catholics. The Holy Apostles, St Ignatius of Antioch, St Polycarp, Pope St Clement, St Perpetua, St Justin Martyr etc.

These funny people self. So if those you mentioned are the early christians, I guess paul, peter, john were pagans then.

johnydon22:
Nope thats not it... you are way very so so very wrong

here is the question, just two nice simple words

[size=20]Prove it [/size]

The only way you can know him is by faith, then you'll know him. Read up on the beatitudes.

frank317:
I want to ask u... Is father and son relationship likened to slave and master relationship?

His point is... There were slaves in the bible times, yet ur Jesus failed to condenm it instead he used it in his examples.

Even relationship between the rich and the poor shouldn't be likened to slave and master shiiit. The word is plain wrong no matter how u try to justify it

What are you saying. Is that not why Jesus described us as sons of God not slaves as the muslims attribute themselves to be.

you guys are just trying to make meaning outta utter trash. He met slaves and Masters. It will always be like that. Fingers are not equal. It is not like the masters went to take the kids when they were born and labelled them slaves.

Ok let's be practical.....


If He condemned masters and told them not to have slaves. What would have happened. Send the slaves away and let them die of hunger? Your arguement basically is pointless it has no meaning.

Well Mr moralistic when you become employed if you aren't, don't run errands for your boss, and if you are a boss, pls run all errands yourself and see how successful you'll be. Or if you employ an house-help, eat in the same plate with her or him, let her or him sleep on the same bed with you and your wife. Like your kids would.

Mtcheww aimless fellows.

Papist:
So the Catholic soldiers who died at Lepanto, at Malta, at Vienna, at Constantinople, at Antioch, at Jerusalem etc trying to save Christianity from jihad are not Christians and you are? SMH. Do you think if Europe had fallen to Islam in the Middle Ages there would have been any Protestant to protest any Catholic Church? About the Mary worship thing and breaking the second commandment i will not bother responding to those absurd allegations.

Were the early christians not attacked? Did God not protect his own? Breaking of the commandment is an allegation?

Ifeann:
Apparently u have several issues with ur post.. U don't have ur "facts" right.
1. seun is not a Christian
2. The Islamic section is necessary to avoid fatwas and death threats
3. Catholics don't worship Mary
4. The crusades was neccesary..if u have studied it you will know that Muslims were murdering whole Christian communities in their jihadist quest to dominate the world, Spain, Byzantine, turkey, etc all fell to blood thrist Muslims, Spain was liberated thanks to the crusades and Spaniards went on later to discover America.
5. The "no marriage" practise is in the bible, its a sacrifice that u make if u are ready to make it.. Jesus, Paul and several disciplines died without marrying. Paul even said in one of his letter that u can go unmmarried to serve God if u can cope but if u can't then marry as soon as u can

But u are right about something, any Catholic or protestant christian who bows to status, or persons or fears his preists or pastors more than God is not worthy to be called a christian.

Seun is not a christian? What is he then.

The no marriage practise when I said is not in the bible, I meant it is not a command, it was not enforced. It was just a suggestion by Paul. The catholics now making it compulsory for people who want to devote themselves is what I labelled 'wrong'.

They don't worship mary? They pray to mary. What will you call that.

McSterling:
Since when did history become a theory?

I couldn't even find anything meaningful. All I saw was books on the topic on amazon.

Kay17:
I don't think one needs a religion to be morally constrained, the fear of one's neighbour is enough constraint. Humans are generally selfish, it's our nature, it forms part of our instincts and can be useful. You and your Christian brothers on the other hand, are human haters.

See how you killed yourself in your own words. Lemme quote you "Humans are generally selfish, it's our nature" now, christianity preaches morality.

Before I blast you, can you explain how christians are human haters.

This post is false it didn't rain fish o!!!

plaetton:
So,in your demented and moral Christian world, one is either a master or a slave, right ?

I don't envy you, slave.

Ha ha oga! Is everybody equally wealthy? Is everybody a boss at companies, can everybody be? Stop making a fool out of yourself.

plaetton:
@esdb3

You need an education, sunny.
You are just too dumb, just like the rest.

I need 'an' education lmfao did you just try to quantify 'education' rotfl!!!!! And it's **sonny** now who needs to be educated. You are somn else lol!!

plaetton:
Thanks again for showing your moral schizophrenia.
So in your moral universe, people, women and children should be slaughtered, genocide committed, if they sinned against your god!?

And you are shamelessly justifying the genocide by saying that it was olden times?
Olden times, but same god ,or not?

What a fxxking ret.ar.ded m.oro.n you are.

Eh mo ma rogo o. Pheww.... The Britons killed the Nazis in world war II was it justified or not.

God works with the world as it is, my new testament explanation should lighten that to you. Those were the israelis' enemies and God's so they had to be killed, if not they would have waged war on israel. That was the practice then. Nothing like that happened in the new testament because the world changed dummy.

See,

Why not play on the safe side. In your mind I
know there is still a 10 percent doubt that your
ideology is right. If you follow christianity and it
ends up being a charade, you have nothing to
lose, but if you are wrong and you die an
atheist,Ooohh lala we all know where it ends.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are confusing things here ... am not an atheist ... are you?

Sorry jare.

plaetton:
So the new testament came to correct, refurbish, do a makeover of a genocidal schizophrenic god into a loving moral god?
Is that what you are saying?

Nope.

See The new testament like an upgrade. like it was brought up to ease burden, show leniency and help the. Modern world. Imagine christians having to buy animals for sacrifice when they sin. Now you just have to call on God. The new testament is grace. Formerly, when you sin you can die if you don't repent, now God keeps hoping you'll repent. If not for the new testament, atheism wouldn't even exist.

plaetton:
Sunny boy.
I have read every book in the Bible.
I am pretty sure you haven't read even one from beginning to end.

Mtcheww because you've read every book, you are now the walking boy uh? Mtcheww I've seen people who have read the bible over almost 30 times yet they say they keep meeting new things in it everytime they do mtch. You are so ignorant so so. You read it like a piece of literature.

You who are so logical I can't even dare to tell you, reading the bible is more than just READING. I'll dare anyway to tell you sometimes meditation helps you understand. Now blast me on that again.

plaetton:
You silly mo.ron.
A person of lofty morality shouldn't ever enslave another human being.

Look who is talking about morals.
You don't even know what it is,let alone have one.
Walking zombie.

OMG! You are so unrealistic and unreasonable.

Seems like you need everything explained. I'll waste time and explain to you.

when it is said that a slave should obey his master(though I haven't even come across this shii), it simply means that a slave or anybody working under anybody should obey his master or anyone he is working for.

Nobody enslaves anybody. It is where life puts us. Everybody in the world is not a christian so that advice is just asking the christian slave to obey his master. Do you want it to ask the slave to rebel. I know if it did you will be the one criticising it.

There are places where it asked the christian master to be kind to his slave. Because the truth of the matter is that everybody can't be a MASTER if you weren't dumb you'll know this. Since God in His wisdom is billions of light years ahead of you, he thought it out that everybody can't be rich, and slaves will always be there.

Lastly no TRUE CHRISTIAN will enslave anybody because the bible didn't encourage it except for the war times in the. Old testament. Men you need to be examined. You are so dull I wish you could see it but you can't and its sad.

plaetton:
So these are the morals that Christianity gave the world? Is this your position sir!
And BTW, which Christian gave these moral codes ?
Pls answer.

Why am I even discussing with you self. Have you read the bible? Pls educate yourself on things before spilling jibber-jabber about things you don't know jack about..... The bible, Jesus gave these moral codes, God gave these moral codes.

plaetton:
From a god that punished King Saul for not killing women and children, I wonder the kind of "moralistic" your god and your religion could possibly inspire.
Lol

Wtf is wrong with you. You are just grasping at straws. One! Those people sinned against God, two. It was a time before even christ, primitive times, a time when people still killed ram to ask for forgiveness. Ha ha! U are just so unreasonable. That was how they lived then, go and read other ancient stories that are not biblical.


And that is why the new testament came to be NEW dummy NEW!!!! If you can't be reasonable....... If you can't talk to me on the new testament then get the fuckkkkkk off my mentions.

plaetton:
Ha ha ha.
Christianity preaches moral, but you can't give one shining example of those morals, nor can you point out any one society that was built upon and radiated Christianity's lofty morals over the last 2000 years.
Lol.
The laugh is on you, buddy.

Eh! Am dumbfounded by the point that doesn't make sense that you are trying to make.

Christianity says to turn the other cheek when you are slapped.

Christianity says to not revenge.

Christianity says to not kill.

Christianity says to give the goverment what is its.

Christianity says to not think of a woman shrewdly cause it is equivalent to commiting adultery.

It says to not covet your neighbours property.

It says to not let the sun set on your anger.


And more... You happy?!!!! So you don't know this and you are branding yourself and atheist?? Men!!!!!!!!! Wth!!!!!!

plaetton:
Christianity preaches morals?
What morals, for example ?

And I asked you to show me an example of Christianity's shining morals.
"Slaves should obey their masters" is shining example of Christianity preaching morals. Right?

Slaves should obey their masters is not good advice right? Okay slaves should disobey their masters then and thank you for what ever befalls them mtccheeww. Lmfao!!! These people ehn!!!! Mtchew

FOLYKAZE:
Typical hateist.


Lol. . . .

Indeed, atheism is noises of folks who cannot justify religious belief.

Bragging around that you disbelief in existence of GOD but take to their heel when god is defined.

When divinities and supernatural cant help, they run hiding. Crazy folks.

Cheers

Abi fa imagine one plaetton asking me in a way to discredit christianity, to point out the morals that christianity preach in other words he meant to insinuate that christianity is not moralistic.

plaetton:
Christianity preaches morals?
What morals, for example ?

And I asked you to show me an example of Christianity's shining morals.
"Slaves should obey their masters" is shining example of Christianity preaching morals. Right?

Okay goodbye. Because if you don't know christianity preaches moral then you aint worth my time at all. Ha ha people and un-intelligent questions!

KingEbukasBlog:
They don't simply get it . Anyway the religion section is where the atheist gain all the attention he wants ...

Why not play on the safe side. In your mind I know there is still a 10 percent doubt that your ideology is right. If you follow christianity and it ends up being a charade, you have nothing to lose, but if you are wrong and you die an atheist,Ooohh lala we all know where it ends.

johnydon22:
Go and read about 1000 years of christian dominance over Europe (the dark ages) then come back and tell me more about christian morality..

I should read a theory formulated bÝ bias atheists. No thanks.

plaetton:
Lol.

Are you cleverly trying to cop out of your own statements that try to link morality and christianity?

C'mon, I am challenging you to kindly show us any era, any empire, any nation that has ever lived and radiated this so - called christian morality.

If you cannot, then shame on you for your ignorance and or dishonesty.,
and then please SHUT UP.

Era? Empire? You lost me. My point is christianity preaches morals. Because some christians are sinful, does that make christianity immoral?!!! You SHUT UP.

johnydon22:
Go and read about 1000 years of christian dominance over Europe (the dark ages) then come back and tell me more about christian morality..

TF are you saying?! I'm talking christianity and its PLAIN PREACHING of morality. Of ccourse it has fake followers that the bible itself prophesied of. Try to understand my statements before making smirky remarks.

onetrack:
Ha! I wish! My life is plenty boring. Work--home--work--home. Get on the internet and debate theists is about the most exciting thing I do these days.

If I really wanted to engage in all kinds of immorality, I would start calling myself a pastor and start collecting money from fools church members and live a fast life, immune from criticism because I am a man of god.

Fake pastors is your ish?? But even christ talked about all these people and askked us to beware and take heed. Damn... You know what ok.

One prayer I'll include in my requests(that is if I remember to) is that God should do what only God can do in your life but first He should do just one thing that'll bring you back to yourr senses.

plaetton:
This is Bullshyte, friend,.. And its either you are being economical with truth, or that you speaking from stark ignorance.

First, Christianity is a religion. By trying to distance Christianity away from religion, you are acknowledging the sillines of religion.

Secondly, in the 2000yrs of christianity, kindly tell us which and any era where christianity radiated the highest forms of morality.
Pls name any era, any nation where christian morality has been examplary.

You know me discussing with you is abortive, but just lemme reply you anyways. Salvation is a personal thing is my answer, if you don't understand that then you are not worth it. Let's keep plyinh our routes we'll see where it leads to.

And I keep linking atheism with christianity because I've never heard of a muslim atheists, because they dare not believe all your shii. Sometimes I wish christianity used force like islam.

johnydon22:
You see when i see threads like this i get terrified because you are only showing me that without religion You would be killing, raping, destroying and committing crimes, that sounds to me like you have a morality disorder and needs a religion that will put you on a leash..

Morality is not distinctively christian neither is it islamic, morality is human it belongs to no ism. And it does not depend on any book, creed or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.

You do not need religion to know what is moral, if you cannot distinguish between right and wrong. Then you lack empathy not religion.

I think their is need to re-evaluate your moral foundation

Call it three birds then because am subtly trying to state that christianity is not just a religion, it is morality, morality is its WATCHWORD. It doesn't preach politics or whatever. Every doctrine, every of its command is to guide towards morality.

Please is there any difference between

"Tell me the origin of sth"

And

"Tell me how sth came to be in existence"??

johnydon22:
Again existence is not origin ... Can you and i argue over a dog's existence? How is it very simple to discern that than your supposedly sky daddy ?

Its simple..
I say : I have a dog

question is : Prove it?

My reply should be here : Here see the dog.. (provides the dog)

but in this case

You say : I have a god

Question : Prove it?

Its as simple as that

That is your mistake. He created this process, this earth but made us so smart. We don't need him for basic. Development which is now turning out to be his fault, since you are using that to question his existence. Nothinh in this realm can be except created, you can't prove your ancenstral existence and you are questioning God.


I think it is the way you view life. View it as a man(yourself) who for fun created an atmosphere and living things like himself and let them live, gave them a brain to think and develop and grow in development. Imagine now, they, ur creations, start questioning your existence since they can make basic things for themselves. How wouldd you feel? I don't expect a reply. I ended with that illustration to giive you a picture and prick whatever is left of your conscience. Bye-bye.... And Jesus existed so what's your point in saying christianity is false.

johnydon22:
How man came to be (origin) and the existence of man are two distinct questions.. You should learn how and when to apply them next time

Wtf are you saying!!?? I asked you "prove the existence of man, how man came to be"

And you are replying me with jibber jabber. Just accept you didn't understand. The question.