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why would Nokia bother? even government cartographers cant accurately map naija, especially given the poor zone plans and post codes we have, not to mention duplicate street names, constantly moving businesses etc.

so you naijans are heavy buyers of Nokia's torchlight and FM phones, is that incentive enough to waste time and resources mapping a vast terrain especially given that we dont have interesting POIs, traffic information relay radios, etc etc.

when city and town planning improves to at least the level of the FCT Abuja, and the other infrastructure are there, and naijans actually start using the 'smart' functions of smartphones, perhaps some map vendor out there may build one. or you can get a GPS device and map out your area and upload to OpenstreetMaps.com as your own contribution.

@fluche

really? in these trying times you expect to Nokia sell as much phones as apple in one quarter? Nokia's profits have dropped over 90%, meaning sales are slowing down, meanwhile Apple sold 4.5 million phones in just one quarter in 2008. the iphone is still the darling of the industry. AT&T wants exclusivity extension, Verizon wants in on the act (despite having turn down the original iphone thus losing out to AT&T, and being CDMA), TMobile (the only other GSM carrier in the US) is crossing its fingers waiting for 2010 when the AT&T/Apple wedlock officially ends, Sprint is counting on the Palm Pre and Apple is definitely releasing a new iphone come summer.

meanwhile Nokia doesnt have anything new in its stable to tilt the balance. if its the N97, its going to look like old hat in the company of the Pre, new iphone (or current iphones running 3.0), BB Storm 2, G2, Omnia HD etc. while almost all these already have a sort of App Store (or are talking up one) Symbian App Store variant is still nowhere to be seen.

and in case you dont know, a sort of app Portal will be the "in thing" to drive up appeal and sales.

i think 5800 sales will taper off, its happening already. the phone is utterly underwhelming, and OVI isnt really winning converts in droves.

face it, dude, symbian is dying a natural death unless nokia changes tack. truth is, the bulk of Nokia profits stem from the low end feature phone market.

okay. fine, you need dotnet.

but in the OS X world YOU DONT.

logica:
Why do u guys think the problem has anything to do with the O/S?

would it surprise you? Vista's antics are well-know. recently an iphone theme designing app i downloaded refused to work. i found out you need dotnet 3.5. most of these apps are coded with Visual Studio afterall.

Ced8:
nobody said thanks to Ex for that most useful post.Thank u,hey, U really helped out a friend of mine(he finds foreign forums intimidating)   and of cos i took all the credit ;)

you're more than welcome to it.

rock101:
I just saw something like Installous is now controlled by apple and it should be uninstalled. How true is this?
http://www.installous.com/2009/04/important-remove-current-installous.html

plain rubbish. Installous is owned by the guys at Hackulo (Kyek et al). that website is probably Haklabs' up to his usual tricks of spreading FUD. if Apple is going to go after anyone, its Mega4i. Installous/Appulo points to links; Mega4i places the warez in an own server in direct violation of DMCA. this is what took down The Monkey's Ball afterall.

besides, Hackulo's URL is www.hackulo.us, NOT hackulous.org.


UPDATE:

IT IS HAKLAB!! that bastard just never knew when to stop.
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Posted by Mr. Haklab in Installous on Tuesday, April 14, 2009

"Fellow Hackulousians, I am making this post to alert you of the Hackulous repo. The Installous repo at Cydia.Hackulo.us is now controlled by Apple. They made a fake new version of Installous and a Hackulous security package. Whatever you do, DO NOT install any of these packages. They will track your UUID, IP, iTunes ID and submit it all to Apple. Do not visit any .US sites. Hackulous and Appulous are permanently located at .ORG sites, stay here and don't listen to any other news, they're false. Tell your buddies, friends, and others before it's too late. Stay safe and wait for the new repo here to be completed! Remove the current repo, the current Installous and check Hackulous.org for further news."

the above info from haklab at www.installous.com is fake.

Haklab was instrumental in bringing down TheMonkey'sBall, and has been after Hackulo for some time. he has nothing to do with hackulo, Appulo, or Installous.

doesnt download packages. Vista Ultimate.

aieromon:
If i have to buy a phone,its got to be made by Nokia.

cough*fanboy*cough

aieromon:
Say what you say but my 5800 rocks!!!

sadly, mine doesnt. more like a "piece of rock" for all its worth.

aieromon:
why buy an iphone when i got an itouch?

umm, so you can call? check mails, browse, IM, Facebook all day WITHOUT looking for free wifi?

i have an Ipod touch (second gen) and besides gaming and occasionally ipodding i cant figure why i need it.

im not entirely sure Nokia deliberately set out to ape the iphone, else they'd have done a better job. not that the 5800 is a terrible phone, it just suffers the endless comparison to the iphone and thus looks humbler.

must every touchscreen phone BE an iphone imitator? should the entire industry give up on touch UI since Apple supposedly has a monopoly on that corner? bear in mind that the 5800 STILL uses resistive touch technology and not capacitative. therefore its not really gunning after the iphone

frankly i hate the 5800, but its nothing to do with any iphone imitation.

It's on YouTube, showcased from MWC 2009. if you can't find it there try www.phonedog.com. I used KeepVid.com to grab the video (along with that insane Transformers 2 ) trailer.


Texas-spit, you know I have every reason to be angry with you, right?

i just saw a video displaying the AMOLED screen and the HD video playback (720p) and im totally blown away. has a cool 3D homescreen except the transition is a bit sluggish and the touchscreen isnt as responsive as the iphone. the guy doing the demo has to tap some icons twice to get them to respond.


it has to be seen to believed. no phone right now can touch this. and the sound is like 5.1 surround, crystal clear, nothing heard before on a mobile device. it completely puts the N97 to shame and makes you wonder how samsung can take symbian and accomplish this while Nokia keeps churning out rubbish.

the appeal though is nothing to do with symbian; its the AMOLED display, the widgets and the video. for that screen, GPS, HD video, sound, im sold. i can confidently tell you based on what ive seen, the Omnia HD beats the pants off the iphone in multimedia and screen resolution. i was already considering the original Omnia but now im waiting.

impatiently.

[quote author=*Hauwa* link=topic=257292.msg3713034#msg3713034 date=1239314305]after all said, so which do you think is the best to access the internet, Emails, internet Silk? GI, iPhone, Sidekick?[/quote]iphone. best browser and mail support for Yahoo, Gmail, Exchange, AOLmail, and any other POP3 mail. G1 pushes only Gmail. sidekick has a lousby browser.

but thats my opinion sha.

and you dont think this

thegame:
Guy, u are jobless.   .     .give urself brain o pls.

should merit a counterstrike?

in any case calling people names in a forum isnt ground for indignation, its the very essence of flame wars. in any forum anywhere, once you have split camps FOR/AGAINST something, you definitely will see insults hurled about. its meaningless, makes it much fun.

but nairalanders are different. you dont know me, i dont know you, chances are we'll never meet. so why bristle when i insult your online self? my name is not Ex Inferis, all i do is NOT phones, so the ME you see here hanging in the phone section is not the whole ME. if you insult Ex Inferis, you're just insulting an online formless entity. the real ME wont really prickle and huff and puff.

still, Symbian sucks!!

but truthfully, Smasung OMNIA HD blew me away. that is a phone that roundly beats the iphone EXCEPT for lack of multitouch and its laggy Touch UI. and its symbian based!

@Dual Core

where were you all this time? missed your wisecracks.

@dogbraidz and Mendax

none of you has cleared up which iphone you use: 3G or the original iphone (otherwise known as Iphone Classic).


in any case i shall attempt to give you steps with the two. choose the one that applies to you.

dogbraidz i assume you own the iphone classic siince you said you had 2.2 but now you're on 2.0.2. the 3G iphone doesnt downgrade.

for the original iphone you need the following

1. iphone 2.2.1 firmware from http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.information.apple.com/iPhone/061-5830.20090127.Mmni6/iPhone1,1_2.2.1_5H11_Restore.ipsw

(its around 245mb so best use a download manager like Orbit)

2. Quickpwn 225-2 from http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4689995/QuickPwn-225-2.zip

3. bootloader 3.9 from http://www.iphone-hacks.com/download.php?id=131

4. bootloader 4.6 from http://www.iphone-hacks.com/download.php?id=132

5. Itunes 8.1 from http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

(if running windows XP you need to install .Net 2.0 (2.0 being minimum). if however you've installed Encarta you dont need to bother. also, Vista comes with 2.0 by default

*note: you need Quickpwn to Activate, jailbreak, and unlock iphone classic; and to activate and jailbreak (ONLY) the iphone 3G. be ware that the jailbreaking process installs Cydia and Installer by default UNLESS you choose otherwise. its always a good idea to allow the app install both Apps because they assist in unlocking iphone 3G, and in installing community apps, themes, fixes and patches to both iphones.

Bootloaders (3.9 and 4.6) are critical to the unlocking process of the iphone classic.


now that you have all the required tools, we can begin.



DOGBRAIDZ

in your case, your phone has crashed and therefore you must RESTORE. make sure you're online, then follow the steps below


1. install itunes (if you already have itunes, make sure its at least version 8.0). start itunes

2. connect your iphone to your pc via USB

3. press and hold the sleep/wake button together with the Home button on your iphone until the phone reboots. as soon as the Apple/Pineapple logo appears, release ONLY the sleep/wake button and continue holding the Home button. the phone will enter RECOVERY MODE. you will know this by the itunes logo and cable that subsequently appears on the phone screen. you can now release the HOME button. itunes will then check the Ipod update server to identify you phone. once itunes informs you that an iphone has been detected in RECOVERY MODE and must be RESTORED, do the following:

4. hold SHIFT on your computer's keyboad, click RESTORE on itunes.

5. select the iphone firmware file you downloaded earlier. itunes will upload the firmware into the phone. depending on your PC config and itunes version it shouldnt take more than 15mins at most.

6. once the restore is complete, itunes will inform you and the iphone will reboot. but at this point the phone will be deactivated, meaning you can only make emergency calls without access to the home screen. since your iphone was previously unlocked, restoring keeps the unlock so you dont need to bother with unlocking.

7. you can close itunes now. launch QUICKPWN and follow the screen prompts. make sure Cydia and Installer are selected by default (ie dont uncheck them), when the app prompts you to select a firmware, select the downloaded one you used to restore your phone. the app will place your phone in recovery. but to jailbreak and activate, it must be in a deep recovery mode known as DFU. the app will assist you in getting there. once ready follow the timer to enter DFU. to prepare you for the timer part here is the sequence in advance:

  a. hold the Home button for five seconds
  b. while holding home at the end of the five seconds, hold sleep/wake together with the Home button for 15 seconds.
  c. at the expiration of the 15 seconds, release sleep/wake and keep holding home for 9 seconds until the app starts uploading the RAMDISK to your phone. as soon as it starts, release home. (note that the final step can take from 9 seconds to 30 secs).

chances are you will fail the first time, but you can always restart. just follow the prompts.

when its all said and done, congrats! your phone is back to life!!


MENDAX

1.x? dude, you really are way behind. with that firmware you miss out on lots and lots of goodies, like apps and games, better calc, better mail, stability, App Store, etc etc.

but we'll sort you out. your own steps are similar to the above, though there are differences. for instance, you do NEED to unlock after upgrading, therefore you need the Bootloaders. usually upgrading to the latest firmware (2.2.1) is actually updating so long as one is one firmware 2.0.x above since the baseband (ie the portion that handles network /SIM services) is the same across 2.x.x. since you're on 1.x, a straight update might cause errors. but lets give it a shot; if you get something like ERROR 1611, then a straight update path is out, we need to do full recovery (that is, fresh install).

here goes.

make sure you're online (it case you have to RESTORE)

1. start itunes

2. connect your phone. wait until itunes registers your phone and it appears under "DEVICES". right click the icon and select BACKUP (so you can restore your contacts, mails, sms, call logs etc in case something goes wrong). on the Summary screen, hold SHIFT, and click UPDATE (Not RESTORE!). select the firmware and go on. if it updates successfully you do step 7 in the above instructions. if however you get errors, hold SHIFT and select RESTORE this time (usually, but not always, after an error the iphone enters recovery mode so you may have no choice but to do a restore anyway).

after restoring, do step 7. in the QUICKPWN screen where you are presented with choices of installing Cydia and Installer, check UNLOCK PHONE as well. then select the bootloaders as prompted, and carry on the remaining steps as outlined in step 7.

you now have a spanking new 2.2.1 iphone! you can go back to itunes, select to restore from your earlier backup.




IPHONE 3G

all steps above apply to the iphone 3G except the following:

1. iphone classic unlock method differs for the 3G

2. you dont need bootloaders

3. only firmware 2.2 can currently be software-unlocked on 3G. (get it here http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-5778.20081120.Aqw4R/iPhone1,2_2.2_5G77_Restore.ipsw

after restoring/updating to 2.2 and using Quickpwn to activate/jailbreak, make sure you have wifi (either infrastucture, or ad hoc via internet sharing on from your PC).

connect the iphone 3G to the wifi network, open Cydia, go to MANAGE>SOURCES>EDIT>ADD

type: apt9.yellowsn0w.com (note that its sn0w, not snow).

allow the sources to be updated. now go to SECTIONS>UTILITIES, install YellowSn0w, insert SIM, reboot.

thats it, unlocked 3G!!!


phew!!! achy fingers all this typing. well hope this sorts you guys out. cheers.

@TheGame

im not taking anything personal, nor am i hating because you diss apple. if you want, i can be the first to tell you where all Apple weaknesses and misses lie. im just galled people like you forget other people come looking for information, and give them crap, bias or misinformed information at best thereby spreading FUD simply because you just dont know or cant budge from your status quo.

put things into perspective, ok? im not saying Nokia makes utter rubbish; im simply saying next to iphone symbian looks and feels dated. it doesnt even have to be iphone: symbian next to Android, WinMo 6, Maemo etc looks old and clunky.

on user experience, can you honestly compare the 5800 to the iphone (both of which i own)?

sure i should be doing other things besides typing all this, but i consider it service to humanity putting trolls in their place.

thegame:
Why my dislike for apple's monopoly dey pain u like this

Apple's monopoly?!  EPIC FAIL.

Apple is not a monopoly in anyway, shape or form.



@pcguru

please school the ogre above. he is lost and helpless.

mendax:
@all

pls how can i use my iFone bluetooth wit other devices eg my lapotp. it doesnt seem 2 b workin! or is it a compatibility problem?

bluetooth on iphone was designed only for bluetooth earpiece.

but by june this year you may be able to tether it to your lappy once the update comes out.

texazzpete:
As far as i know, WLAN in the G1 is restricted to draft b & g, no n unlike most laptops and desktops.

Draft? B and G are fully implemented standards going out the window to make room for 802.11n!

lalaboi:
I dont use the wifi since av got unlimited internet plan for my sim (so am saying 3g). . . ,  . . its made for the internet. . . gbabe



http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030105,49299060,00.htm

just about any smartphone these days is made for the internet. thats why we call them "smart' (mails, sync, mobile browsing, attachments etc). and there is no way a phone is going to be faster than its link, especially on a 3G network. what did you use for comparison? maybe your browser renders pages fast, that doesnt mean the phone hardware is faster on 3G than another phone on the same network under the same conditions.




[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=257292.msg3703873#msg3703873 date=1239160428]nah, if I had it, I wouldn't be asking abt it

Nah, saw it on the net

This will be my phone. . . . still waiting for EX F to give me the down low on it.[/quote]like i said, ive never owned it, and i dont feel comfortable reviewing something ive never owned. i held the G1 only once on the train for the 40minutes ride and that was my total experience.


frankly, i dont "get" what its all about. im not a google user so all that google integration means crap to me. i do read online that a new Android version (cupcake) is set to significantly bolster the phone's usability and appeal, but until then.   .     .


might be a good idea to ask WHY you need it; what reason/feature is compelling enough to make you decide on this and forgo other (perhaps better) phones. that is, what is the opportunity cost?

if you come up with a satisfying answer then by all means hand them your money.

thegame:
If you dont know,you ask.thats one for ur a s s. I dont know and im not ashamed to ask tho u think i dnt know.
But dude, still,  Did u skip the part where i wrote dont mention mac os on iphoneor u dey use glasses Cos i m not condidering an iphone yet. Exinferis,an iphone fan already has some unimpressive screenshots of some apps and themes.

if you feel the need to rattle on like a goddamn 3-nippled smeghead kindly do so without dragging my name into your convoluted opinions which are more riddled with holes than stale Gruyere cheese.

if you dont know how software works, what its underpinnings are, and the principles behind it all you can never be in a credible position to compare different Operating Systems because not only will you NOT know the strengths and weakness of each, you definitely wont know what it all means. if i say Symbian has poor memory management or a lousy garbage destructor, would you know what that means? or if i say Darwin beats EPOC's core kernel, or Cocoa beats carbide hands down, will that put you more in the picture, or serve to further compound your befuddlement?

sure Symbian has thousands of apps, but since when is QUANTITY interchangeable with QUALITY? software on symbian is crippled baby software, no thanks to the SDK among other debilitating factors.

no one says you should love an iphone, buy an iphone, or use an iphone. if Symbian bakes your bread then by all means stick with it, but dont start off pouting crap about stuff you know next to nothing about. poeple like PC Guru, DJCN, OYB, NaijaFan, Flyuche etc are in better position to argue on all levels because they know stuff, and that is why we take our time to engage them.

you keep forgetting texazzpete and I own countless devices including a clutch of Symbian phones and we still use them so that puts us more in the picture.

No one says iphone is the BEST PHONE out there; its just a great device that satisfies 90% of its users who 'get it', and puzzles the endless anoraks who cant shuffle off their caveman genes.

if anything, the quality of the games and apps in the pix you mentioned are enough to convince anyone that iphone apps are in a class higher than Symbian apps. just try Skype on iphone and see.

we dont pretend iphone isnt flawed on several levels, it is. but the missing features are not really a handicap in the OS; omitting them was a conscious decision by Apple, and since people griped enough, Apple is now implementing almost everything missing in the iphone via software 3.0.

but those things that the iphone does, it does them wonderfully. be it games, music, videos, photos, email, contacts management, SMS, WiFi, internet etc. for getting these right and making them a pleasure to use, im okay with the omissions.

and FYI, the closest competitor to iphone is no Symbian product; its the Palm Pre, the brainchild of a former Apple employee!

so say Symbian is a great system. Hell, you can even say Nokia makes good, featured, reliable phones. but never say symbian trumps iphone and Apple makes crap.

because if you do say so, you only expose your ignorance and we have no choice but to mock you.

WARNING: LONG POST AHEAD!!!

lets see if we can put things into perspective. the common iphone gripes are:

1. syncing with itunes
2. non removable battery
3. lack of MMS
4. Bluetooth FTP
5. copy and paste
6. video cam


lets start off with item 1

SYNCING WITH ITUNES

the best known apple gadget is undoutedly the ipod. Apple has sold over 100 million ipod variants over the years, and the iphone is touted as the best ipod ever by Apple. not 'the best PHONE ever", but best "IPOD EVER".  since the iphone is mostly a multimedia device that also doubles as a phone, it stands to good reason the main initial target market was those millions of ipod owners. thats a solid, ready market. now those ipod owners equal millions of people who already know how to sync with itunes and are okay doing it, not to mention the giga bytes of itunes purchases they already own from down the years. surely Apple wouldnt want millions of poeple to lose their itunes purchases by doing away with itunes (which incidentally is tied in deep to itunes store).

if i already have a solid customer base (potentially at least) running into the millions who already are used to one way of managing their devices, does it make sense to alter that model? these days every PMP device already syncs with some software or other and the reason isnt too farfetched: our data has grown into the multi-gigabyte range, meaning MANUALLY managing that tremendous collection is a hassle. in the days of 8mb, 16mb, 32mb and 64mb storage media, manually organizing and uploading content was easy. now, in the time of 250gb SSD and 120gb ipods, its sensible to engage software assistance to manage data.


my own personal music collection is a mere 18gigs but i have over 700gb of videos and TV Shows, and frankly im okay selecting what i want on my device, clicking sync and walking away to granb a snack.

NON REMOVABLE BATTERY

we all love those china phones with their dual batteries, thats because we are in a country bordering on perpetual blackout. being able to swap out a near dead battery helps. but here is the deal on the iphone:

designing a removable battery on the iphone means one of two things, according to Apple:

1. smaller battery and therefore less power
2. a bulkier iphone because of allowing for a battery compartment and insulation.

clearly to keep the iphone slim and well designed, none was an option. also, the ipod doesnt have removable batteries and the owners arent complaining (though to be fair, ipod batteries last longer).

LACK OF MMS

MMS stands alogside WAP/WML as technology bred simply because it was possible, not becuase it was required. MMS has not taken off anywhere, and mobile email has placed the future of MMS in jeopardy. no carrier has figured out how to make MMS attain mass appeal and profitability. for all intents and purposes, its a little-used gimmick.

however MMS support is coming via the 3.0 iphone update.


BLUETOOTH FTP

why was bluetooth named "Bluetooth", after a little-known Danish king? because its chief proponents are Nokia and Ericsson, both Scandinavians!

seriously, though, Apple expects everyone to fill up their iphone/ipod touches with content from Itunes Store. until recently any media from that store is FairPlay'd (DRM) to one account and is non-transferable, clearly, Apple wouldnt want users to buy one tune and beam it to people who otherwise would spend their 99 cents on Itunes Store. This model is not entirely different from almost any music store locking their content with anti-piracy measures.

on a related note, even the much-maligned DRM lock is at the instigation of the Music labels who steadfastly refuse to sell DRM-free tunes without charging more.

since supposedly the iphone engine is tied to Apple's FairPlay measure it makes sense blocking means of illegally spreading copyrighted content. like i said, Apple expects iphone users to buy content from  Itunes, with those content locked to individual accounts. for balance, consider that music beamed via wifi on Zune expire after a certain time period. Even microsoft doesnt wat people sharing music!

however i still think at leats sharing photos should have been enabled via bluetooth on iphone. in any case, bluetooth P2P is coming via the 3.0 update.

COPY and PASTE

an unforgivable oversight. to be remedied by the 3.0 software.

VIDEO RECORDER

that 2mp camera will only blur videos, though third party apps exist that allow the functionality to those who absolutely must record their inane moments.


i hope people understand that first and foremost iphone is a MEDIA device, with corporate functionality thrown in.

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[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=257292.msg3698116#msg3698116 date=1239060598]That's what I need. Wifi!!

What does the WLAN do?
(I'm a lttle bit slow on all these technology stuff. ~cough~  )[/quote]WIFI (wireless fidelity, geekily known as 802.11) is the wireless technology that allows for the existence of WLAN (Wireless Lacal Area Network)

they are mostly used interchangably, and thats okay.

thegame:
just stay off the ihpone no matter what inferis thinks,

dude, it aint what i SAY that gets anyone buying anything, most of what i say on the iphone is directed towards people who already own one.

you can keep your cherished E71 or whatever till hell freezes over, it only implies you love status quo, rehashes and are resistant to change. like i keep saying, when Nokia does something-anything-remotely interesting about its interface, apps, gaming etc i may reconsider. for now, im content sitting back and watching dumb nitwits make poor choices based on hype and overfamiliarity.

Nokia can change themes and update a few icons but deep down symbian is dated, outdated and out featured.

babaogun:
The iphone has got MMS.

please verify and straighten your facts before posting. iphone currently DOES NOT suppor MMS. granted there are ways to RECEIVE MMS via mail workarounds and third party apps, but that is a far cry from OFFICIAL SUPPORT.

MMS support is coming via the 3.0 software update slated for summer (ie from June) and ONLY for the 3G version.


[quote author=*Toyinrayo link=topic=257292.msg3695816#msg3695816 date=1239029689]@Ex Inferis,

Since you're so good with phones, give me the "gist" on these two phones


Samsung Behold - Rose


T-Mobile G1™ with Google™ - Black[/quote]ive fondled the G1 only once in my life and i wasnt really impressed because Google raised my expectations before Android came out. remember it was the period the iphone was in full swing so their decision to kill multitouch even though the OS is capable still got me stumped. and their App Store variant is just so-so. however with the recent "Cupcake" i expect the phone to improve. i cant really say much more because i didnt use the phone enough to form a decisisve impression and i dont want to echo other blogs and reviews.

as for the Behold i think its funny Samsung has found ONE design concept and is churning out phones all looking the same (Omnia, F480 etc). okay like the G1 ive not used this phone, but it looks a lot like my old F480 which however the looks and cool widgets still sucked.

though the Omnia runs WinMO, this one seems to run the same proprietary horseshit as the F480. sure its got 5mp cam, GPS, and the usual assortment of 3G, bluetooth, PIM functions etc.

iill take an Omnia anyday.

platinumnk:
^^^If the OP was looking at the Iphone then its obvious that they're looking at a PDA phone,

The G1  was formulated to do things like a PC.
Google it and see.

as for the 8925 , it is not even called a phone, its called a mobile PC, and that what it is literally, I can tether it to my laptop and give it fast running inet connection, it opens adobe file, word, excel, and many others with letting me edit documents and sending them to my email.  My friends call it my "mini me" laptop,  its mainly for power users who looks for a muiltuse funtions in their phone, to me the Iphone is just a fancy touch phone with a even fancier MP3 player

The G1 and HTC 8925 can carry media card up to 16GB maybe even more but i havent see higher,
I have so mp3's on mine and I can upload programs that let me customize my phones MP3 player.
The G1, 8925 and Ipone are all touch screen phone.
But the G1 and 8925 comes witha stylus and a keyboard

here we go, exactly what i griped on earlier. if tethering and opening office docs qualifies a phone as a "mobile pc" then almost every symbian device, winmo, blackberry etc IS a mobile PC!


ever heard of QuickOffice? its available for almost every smartphone known to man.

and as for full html browsing, Opera Mini makes that happen even on dumb phones.


my definition of a mobile pc is any phone that supports wifi, has a good html browser, integrates seamlessly with the corporate environment, does office docs, etc.

and that definition means almost ANY Smartphone IS a mobile PC.

its been a great experience. besides Mac OS X theres nothing to beat it (PcLOS comes close for ease of use)

my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop

i left blackberry ages ago, now i use iphone which is imap pushed mails.

i dont see anything in mobileme remotely compelling enough to justify $100. if its contacts sync im okay with Ovi and Funambol in the cloud. for local syncing i use Evolution (linux), Windows Mail (Windows PC- eeew), and AddressBook and Entourage (mac) all of which i use.

on one hand you get to talk to people. on the other, people get to talk to you.

@Donjon

"nothing i have is mine"


what are you, a thief?

i keep wondering on what basis people keep saying Blackberry is better than the other smartphones out there. at least when we Apple fanboys mention the iphone, we give countless reasons along side screenshots.

most people here keep thinking that paying through the nose for an internet mobile browsing you get hassle free elsewhere is a killer app on the blackberry, or that having push email is the deal sealer. truth is, Blackberry is a SERVICE, and through the Blackberry Connect software almost every smart phone from WinMO to Symbian can do the push mail trick. Hell, even the new N75 (pic below) already does corporate and webmail without BES and does Exchange/Domino nicely via Sync-ML/ActiveSync, and the best mobile browser isnt on blackberry or iphone; its Skyfire, available only on WinMo and Symbian. sure its prone to crashing, but its a Beta afterall.

guys, lets keep things in perspective; if you think a sidekick, say, is a great phone, kindly tell us WHY beyond " its cute, cuddly, fluffy and pink".

one more thing: gabbing on about megapixel cameras, DVB-H, bluetooth, HSDPA, exabyte storage etc doesnt really cut it. why? because every smartphone worth its salt comes loaded with those featutes. they are fairly standard across carriers, manufacturers and users.

we need a phone to have a little something extra beyond the standard fare. whether its in nice widget implementation (Omnia/F480), sleek interface, app store, internet mobile experience etc, it just has to be a little different, imaginative, creative. this way, we can endure the shortcomings.

sure, iphone doesnt have bluetooth, MMS, copy/paste(yet) but has a touchscreen. ok, Blackberry storm has all these and more, but by market sales, popularity, user reviews etc the iphone offers the betrter experience.

so when i say users shouldnt base their buying decisions on MMS, bluetooth etc it makes sense since these features are generic across almost all smart devices. i mean, there really is a thin line betweeen a Nokia E71 and an E66; or a Nokia N95 8gb and N96, or N76 and 3250.


A samsung BlackJack is just slightly away from a motorola Q, etc.

and the various HTC devices almost only have design differences, whether a TouchPro, HD, etc.

samething with balckberrys before the Bold and Storm!

now the one phone that is almost generic but which suddenly im saving for (despite being a WinMO) is the Omnia if only for the turn by turn navigation which ive tried and works wonderfully in naija, as well as the version of OPera Mobile which is almost as good as Skyfire.



Nokia N75 now shipping:


"It's out, Nokia's E75 S60 QWERTY is now shipping according to a feverish Nokia press release. For Espoo, that leading "E" stands for businEss so this slider is all about corporate eMail -- a first handset to ship with Nokia's new eMail user interface -- as well as getting you connected to your personal accounts from Yahoo, Gmail, and Hotmail. Unfortunately, the decent quad-band GSM / EDGE and dual-band HSPDA data, WiFi, microSD expansion, 3.2 megapixel camera, and a-GPS specs are offset by that puny 2.4-inch QVGA (320 x 240 pixel) display. For our money, we'll be holding out for the 3.5-inch, 640 x 360 pixel N97 QWERTY slider "

www.engadget.com

it bakes bread, and every saturday at 9pm it becomes a batmobile.

oh, and it has multitouch.


(im not going to mention that it has 1000s of apps and has a central repository for those apps, pushes mails, is the best ipod ever, best photo management app ever on a mobile device, has a solid OS, best virtual keyboard ever, best wifi implementation on any mobile device, powerful graphics chipset, visual voicemail, core location etc).

every Joe Blow phone already does MMS, Bluetooth, video etc so im not sure people place those features on their priority needs when shopping for a highend device.

blackberry just got video capabilities with the 4.5 software update, which was fairly recently. and all those features the iphone currently lacksare just 2 months away via the 3.0 software update. there's already QuickOffice for the iphone (same as in Nokia devices, only much more powerful and cooler) and Microsoft has announced development of MS Office for Iphone will commence soon.

just hold on for the next iphone coming soon.

@Texazz

here are a few things you might find interesting courtesy of RipDev (the team behind installer).

1. JuiceDrop: drag and drop files to iphone via USB direct, no need for wifi. windows and mac.

2. InstallerApp: desktop client version of Installer allowing you to install apps via USB connected to PC. Mac only (yay! Get a Mac)

3. Icy: lightweight efficient alternative to Cydia and Installer. extremely fast refreshes of repo sources.

and you consider a sidekick an upgrade? what are you coming from, a Nokia 3310?

except if you're coming from a very low end device i wouldnt recommend a sidekick. problem is, its features are mostly locked on to TMobile's network so chances are some things may not work in naija, like the IM client.

as for the iphone if you've ever synchronized an ipod and are okay with it then you may go for it. note that iphone doesnt officially support MMS, Copy/Paste, bluetooth file transfer, video recording, and direct media transfer from PC (unless you opt to "manually manage music and videos" ala the ipod)

if you dont like syncing and prefer to just send files via bluetooth, love MMS, etc then avoid the iphone.

but its also a cool gaming device.

true, even wikipedia doesnt contain EVERYTHING. but still, when a new word is bandied about carelessly in a forum it makes good sense to look it up. it gives you good grounds to argue and make your opinions solid.

something Flyuche just cant do. he cant afford to burn the few calories he has.


anyway, PUSH technology constantly monitors your mail box and immediately "pushes" your mails to your device the instant the mails arrive in realtime (like in Exchange, BlackBerry Enterprise Server etc).

FETCH, which most people use for Gmail and other POP mail services (also used in Yahoo Go) is scheduled mail delivery where the client on your device checks for new mails based on time schedule (ie "check inbox every 15 minutes" etc) and either notifies you of the new mails so you download at your convenience, or downloads the mails and then notify you, depending on how you chose your poison.

so there you have it; PUSH "pushes" mails automatically the second they arrive, FETCH fetches based on time schedule.


obviously PUSH falls under ease of use, and is what Blackberrys are known for. just about every other phone can do Fetch.

thegame:
Emails is what made the blackberry its name today just as ease of use made nokia its rep. On this case, i wouldnt get a blackberry with an e71 sitting next to it. C'mon, we jst want the basic tasks.wat the hell is my biz with push and unpush.my email is just retrievable whenever i log on to yahoo or gmail.i think that is cool with me so far.
I think i will have to try some other phone os also like the touchscreen microsofts but i jst get scared of touchscreens and find comfort in traditional buttons. Is it just me or what?in the meantym, my e71 rocks

funny you mention ease of use and still think push technology is not your cup of tea. push email makes email easy, no need to log on.

@tezz

darn right, iphone push isnt proper push. its real time but not instantaneous as in the blackberry. more like a server side "Fetch".

but really my mails arent really mission-critical so even a manual fetch is okay for me (ever used yahoo Go?) than having to fork out 5k every 30 days for the dubious pleasure of MTN's BlackBerry.

you right Appulo is back on, but after trying out Mega4. . . <sigh>

E71 was made by the devil, avoid! somehow i find E66 a better phone even though its QWERTY-less.

TyTN? still slugging the old WinMO to within an inch of its unblessed life? was going through old stuff last week and dug up an N95 8gb and an old ipaq i never knew i had. sadly the ipaq doesnt turn on, the N95's acting crazy on account of some buttons short circuting. i registered on Nokia OVI; every Nokia owner ought to sign up at OVI. it kind of lends life to an old horse.

at least it gives you something else to do with your Nokia besides maliciously spreading Caribe.