₦airaland Forum

asha 80:
Does not work for us in nigeria[b] because we do not have a herd mentalit[/b]y.It is kind of a drawback when you exist in a country where other nigerians are opposite most of the time.Exactly the reason why i laugh when people say that igbos should have a consesus candidate in an election.It is at parallel to our natural instincts.We were labelled democratic in our ways by the colonialists for a reason.Sometimes i feel the nigeria structure tries to force us into into something that is parallel to what we are.

Spot on! What the unenlightened refer to as 'politically naive' or 'individualistic'.

asha 80:
As for those buffer parts they have to be shown how the nation would be run like independence of developement and pailementary set up etc but if majority still insists on no then we simply leave those ones and go for those that majority say yes.I certainly do not want another nigeria like scenario where some peolple will feel they are being forced to do something they do not want to do.

Cosigned. However we must try to make sure they are properly informed thats all.

chyz:
of a nation

On the surface: as is done in Britain. The institutions decide on semantics like percentages to win etc. It will save us money   while streamlining size. The political parties are formed on ideology though not the rubbish that goes in Nigeria. Matured politics.l

Onlytruth:
Union of Biafra sounds good though it sounds eerily like Soviet Union.

United Biafra seems a better name.

or simply republic of Biafra.

Prefer this because it stresses the presence of component nations rather than a single entity.

chyz:
Exactly, however see this as a well mapped out plan incase the other groups do agree to join. Also can u tell me how prime ministers are selected?

PM of a nation or the union Biafra?

asha 80:
Nigeria recycled again.


Personally i am not inclined to having other ethnic groups in a nation we want to build unless they say that they want to part of it not us forcing and believing that they will want to belong.

I know Asha, this is our nature, but like I mentioned in the original post there would be problems especially skirmishes in 'buffer zones' like Okrika et al if we don't absorb them and leave them be within what is a very loose and flexible union Biafra. Within Biafra, Alaigbo is ours, everyone else develops on their own.

Onlytruth:
South Africa has 11 official languages but remains one of the most progressive and stable African countries. Go figure.

asha 80:
I use germay because we are almost in the same boat the germans were before otto bismark united all the german speaking groups at that time except for those that are in the present austria and switzerland.

As for the language it should be the written igbo as we know since no part of igboland speaks exactly the written igbo or 'central igbo'.

I was once in a plane with a gearman lady and she told me that actually no part of germany actually speaks exactly the written german you see.She said that the part of germany that speaks the closest to written germany are the people from the hannover part of germany.She said that the bavarian part of germany(where munich is the largest city) speaks a totally different german from the written german and that she cannot really understand[b] a bavarian well.[/b]

I like, I like.

BTW has everyone has a look at the document here http://www./BGIE/Biafra%20Charter.htm

Looks too thin to me and quite vague. Minorities need a better picture methinks.

Onlytruth:
The minorities that sabotaged it did so for survival. If they knew that Biafra could win, they would not have sabotaged it.

This time we have to carry everyone along. This should have never happened in the first place.

Onlytruth:
So, let the spirit define what the nation does. If it is an Igbo only country, we can use Igbo. If not we can still keep English.

chyz:
Definitely central Igbo with the emphasis on "central" as a point of unity. In our three years of our own country we were rated the most advanced Black country in the world. We need to continue where we left off. Re-awake our Igboness and supress europeanism.

Hmmm, there's some stuff brewing up over this, better to get this resolved asap. Many scholarly articles have pointed the need to keep all dialects (which I support with a view to gradual integration). As Igbo have no kings, so is no one dialect more superior than any other is the argument put forward on this issue.

I think Biafra has to be well defined especially to the minorities this time so they can understand no one will take advantage. Hence in the groupings I had Ndigbo as a nation and Ibibio, Efik etc as other nations with presidents/prime ministers. We then practice rotation amongst the head of these nations to ceremonially head Biafra for a period of say 6 months each.

asha 80:
I am not sure how currency comes into this but if you ask me entrance into army should be of equal chance for everyone.ie on the forms sub group or clan indication should not be there as it is not needed.

also forms into govt institutions should also not have those indications.

Maybe we can take a cue from germany.

yes what i have in mind.

Can you please enlighten me on this.

Chyz

What would you suggest as the official language of institutions, house of parliament etc?

[s]Asha, I think these provinces (clans) should have their institutions no biggie with that.[/s] ignore

Thanks guys keep 'em coming.

Eze looks like Aro would keep the peace internally can't have them in diplomatic talks  

EzeUche22:
I would say clanhood.

At the end of the day, I still see myself as an Aro Igbo. Hence I said Aro first. I am loyal to the Igbo people, but my clan comes first.

nationhood at the clanhood tier? (army, currency etc)

or a govt. system  taking clans into consideration first, ain't that a mini-Nigeria, cos quota system etc would have to come on in order to make sure all clans are 'represented' and no clan is marginalized?

asha 80:
Some do while some do not.However those that do from my experience increases as the years go by but quite a substantial amt still bieleve in clanhood.

However it depends on the type of government we are to adopt.

This is an Ndigbo trait (reason why we survive too) with many advantages often misconstrued as individualism. But with a worst case scenario that say 80% believe in clanhood, what system of govt. should we adopt?

ezeagu:
Other thing that may be added is:
- Protection of a language, the national language can be used everywhere without considering other language, because there are no other national languages apart from dialects.
- Protection of culture and history, again you won't have to worry about others
- Strong sense of national identity (you've provided points for why there would be this)
- Clear basic history of the country, there would be one story of origin of the country, even if the story is a myth.
- Easy identification of an original culture for a diaspora (e.g the African diaspora can claim a whole nation and be properly claiming their homeland).

I agreed with most things you said, but I would put the identities as:

 Nigeria
    |
  South
    |                                      
 Southeast   Niger delta   Niger delta      Midwest
    |                     |                  |                 |
 Anambra     Midwest       South South       Edo
    |                     |                  |                 |  
   Igbo            Delta            Rivers            Igbo
    |                     |                  |                 |
 Nri-Awka          Igbo             Igbo           Igbanke
                          |                  |
                     Aniocha           Ogba

And for Europeans:

       Europe                    Europe
           |                            |
Western Europe           Western Europe
           |                            |
       Britain                     France
           |                            |
      English                      Parisian
           |                            
Northern English

Agree with the first additions as parts of the conditions for nationhood. I was alluding to the ramifications however.

As for the classifications; lets take the French. When contesting elections, as long as the candidate is French, his origin (Paris, Lyon, etc) does not put him at a disadvantage; he is accepted as French. Same with the English.

When the Frenchman from Paris is applying for a job in anywhere in France, he is considered equal with those even from the surrounding location of the job. A Parisian can get a job as VC in Lyon university and the sky won't fall.

The borders of Paris would be sorted overnight if discrepancies arise; let Italy try their luck with claiming some corn fields in France,

Obviously as the Frenchman differs from the Englishman in culture, language etc  hence different constitutions, all agreement have to satisfy both parties; no shotgun weddings etc

Etc

Do we have this ideals as Ndigbo first or do we need more 'breakdown' to achieve this nationhood/clan-hood?

Configuration for the new nations

It is not a matter of 'if' but of 'when' the country eventually breaks up. The signs are clear and there is no need to begin to trot out all we already know that would cause the break up. Thus the preparation for the new nation(s). The clamour for a new 'arrangement' is even more inherent in all Africa today. I will use Ndigbo (my race) as a case study that could be adopted by other emerging nations all over Africa. We won't be caught out in the coming scenario (as always Ndigbo are always prepared) but there are some the pressing issues of governance (perharps highlighted elsewhere)  that I would like to bring up. In this discourse I would introduce a framework that seeks to address at 99% of the present condition in Nigeria today.

As we know this continent is a very unique continent with unique problems; the Europeans carved up this continent for exploitation and planted psychological bombs (by omission or comission) before leaving. The 'nationhood' they bequitted was a false one, however even that 'false one' was perharps the little good they thought they could do before leaving. They locked nations into geographical confinements and left. The creation of nations (by definition) was too much work and if they decided to work by the arrangement (nation definition) that they had back in Europe, they would have had to create nothing less than 500 nations in all S.S Africa. There were more sinister motives (which we already know) no doubt, but let it be assumed that they meant well. 500 nations is a bit much we would agree; I'd be the first to quit, given that task. Of course the word banded about as a justification was 'diversity'.

From this point onwards I would use Nigeria as the microcosm representing Africa. Nigeria has no less than 30 nations* (*based on the European definition). The foremost of these nations* is Ndigbo (this is not open to opinions). Thankfully these days a good number of African nations* are at about 4.00am of their sleep; this century will be very interesting. Of these geographical enclaves the foremost is Nigeria (again not open to opinion). We know what the 1960's brought us as a result of 'being awake' or 'tearing eye'.

Now for this 'diversity'(adversity) to 'be felt we had to come up with this strait-jacket formula called quota-system and federal character so that a (pseudo-)national development in all spheres seemed possible without anyone 'feeling cheated'. This meant all nations* within the geographical enclave had to be relatively at the same level and any attempt for a nation* (esp. the foremost nation*) to move forward was met with dexterous resistance. This resistance has its own limit and tends to eat itself out while assuming its job of resisting. The signs are clear and there can be only one outcome in this who-will-thrive-when-geographical-enclave-gives-in-contest: Ndigbo. All areas of human endeavour succumb to this fact which is not open to discussion. However this is not about survival; were it not Chineke we would have been all consumed, hence our survival is guaranteed. However, it is about excellence. We do not want to be overburdened with taking care of unsettled nations*, border skirmishes, foreign (African) aiding, peace keeping, immigration, citizen safety outside Alaigbo etc. It is on these premises that the new structure is proposed.

Firstly, let us consider the ramification of nationhood*:
- Being able to participate in any organization without origin bearing any relevance
  i.e. a Frenchman can work in all of France without the need for affirmative action'.
- Being able to be from the specific area of birth and not necessarily paternal migration.
  Manchester born parent give birth to children in Liverpool; the children are from Liverpool.
- Being able to run for any governmental position without exclamation emanating from place of origin.
  very obvious,
- Ability to have a defence (army) with a COMMON cause
- Total allegiance to a constitution and to no other interests
- Have DEFINITE geographical boundaries
- Ability to grant citizenship and assimilate people of other races 100% or there about. etc

As we know, these thing are amiss in virtually all S.S Africa.

There are tiers of society that are necessary to form and meet the ramifications of this nationhood* and not simply a geographical point on a map. I would use myself as an example of the tiers that would be relevant to me and some Ndigbo in the present day Nigeria .

  Nigeria
     |
   South
     |                                       
  Southeast   Niger delta   Niger delta   Midwest
     |                     |                  |                    |
  Anambra     Midwest       South South     Edo
     |                     |                  |                    | 
    Igbo            Delta            Rivers             Igbo
                           |                  |
                       Igbo             Igbo

Compare this to a man from Birmingham or a man from Paris.

  Europe   Europe
    |             |
  Britian    France
    |
  English

The tier of Europe is present due to the fact that Nigeria is best suited to being an economic union (e.g. ECOWAS or a EU-lite). Historically speaking the European configuration has proved adequate for peace and development (see Israel and the 12 tribes (sub-nations) and the configuration). From economic cooperation to ally-building, a 2/3 tier configuration has been adequate. Taking the lowermost 2 tiers of the Nigerian situation, and equating with the European version, Anambra ought to be a nation (assuming Igbo is the only present nationality*). NO!. Alaigbo - YES!, with commas. To remove these commas, the lowermost 4 tiers need to be broken, since we are also in the west of the Niger and some little portions in Benue. We would have:

  Nigeria
     |
  Alaigbo

Equating this to the British condition, we would have:

  Africa
     |
  Nigeria
     |
  Alaigbo

This configuration would mean well over 500 nations* when used for nations* like Ogoni, Efik, Ibibio etc. Honestly U.N's database and workforce, budget etc  will need tripling (at least!); it is not easy doing this. An attempt to address this huge number is then presented (not applicable to nations* like Yoruba):

       Africa
          |
       W.Africa Zone 1 (Former Nigeria, Chad, Benin Republic and Togo)
          |
       Biafra 2.0
     |     |     |
  Alaigbo Ogoni Efik etc.

Outside of Biafra under this arrangement, we can be more assured that our interests will be well respected and secured. Biafra has more a structural similitude with the Britain configuration. The most authoritative and clear document within reach of this configuration is available at http://www./BGIE/Biafra%20Charter.htm .

I like the province structure presented within that document. It is not distinctive enough however with respect to the component nations*. We should have a discourse on this with credible resources such as those provided by Richy et al. Also a list of the various constituencies (on the map) would shed further light on these issues. Maazi Eziachi please enlighten us with your experience.

Thanks

Igbo Kwenu!!!!!!!

My brothers, I am proud of this thread. Please carry on, there are a lot of readers who are not posting (at least not yet). This is one of the most (if not the most) educative threads on NL that I have ever read.

Papa Eziachi,

Komando, chyz, ezeagu, ezeuche, asha, obiagu, uweh, udueze et al (sorry I go complete the roll call later)

Make una carry go, nothing do una.

Ibime, ijaw_girl, ow11 et al

Thanks for the maturity, please keep posting.

DETRACTORS, I dey clean my shotgun, no run yet o!!

As someone rightly pointed out, where are the "umunne" - chosen04, ohsisi et al, please kontiribut. Dalu

By God's grace I will post a doc at about 11pm GMT tomorrow. I don't know if to start a new thread for it. For the fear that it will be derailed, I shall post it on here and leave it for the umunna to decide if it should be moved.

It is about the configuration of the "new nation"- Biafra 2.0 (or Beta Biafra).

Watch this space,


In the mean time carry go,

Eziachi:
They believe so much in pen pushing, filing/government monthly pay cheque jobs and never risen to the level of making enough or in position to steal from the public coffers. So the opportunity is just not there for so many of them.

Eziachi, please how can I contact you? I don't know how the PM stuff work here but my email address is in my profile. Can you please contact me? I have some urgent inquiries and some information that I would need verified by you.

Thanks

Eziachi:
He clocked a few air miles and then bought himself 3 aircrafts.

Banned and unbanned super eagles within a week.

Got himself many facebook friends and spent most night talking to them.

Managed an audience with Turai Yar Adua for once.

Managed not to be undone by his Mrs on Zebrudaya spoken English competition.

Managed to keep zoning on the front burner through his ready made apostles without saying much himself.

Switched on the 50 years anniversary count down clock that will signal the 50 billion celebration bonaza naira sharing.

Got himself registered online as a PDP member before the party's technology phobia members gave the idea an elbow.

What else do you want from a president? That is a heck of an achievement if I may say so. Many more hundred days and that is cming from a non Nigerian!!!!
Sorry to intrude!

Maazi Eziachi, could you please send me a pm (can't seem to figure it out on here), I have some info you definitely would be interested in plus some questions. Dalu

If we were in old testament times, the world would have been rained with thunder, brimstone, lightening, and floods

ThiefOfHearts:
Your point? Why don't you go and marry them too or can you not make them come as well?

mugun.

God abeg, laff go kill person one day!

London London London, how bout Manchester, Liverpool, soton, newcastle, teeside, Over-good eligible 9-ja babes full these sides. Stretch ur boundaries man, there are too many good ones, I think Londoners are. . . . . .too survival minded _{Londoners pls 4give abi i lie?}

naijacutee:
He's "Apeman" and I'm "Mummy". or sometimes he's "agbero" and I'm "mama-agbero"

3 shots ina d air 4 u, una too much!!

she called me "savage beast" and i called her "warrior princess"

yes i can if she can maximise her features to make a brother scream, no qualms

**nb: dwarves always have sth up their sleeves**

ok the truth is that i have never had sex. I only recieve and give head regularly, shey i try?

the headline . . . .

"anonymous man hooks up with alien woman by simply typing"

I luv technology

i will simply say 2 d chic " ur on ur own"

to all the emotionally down ladies in the house,come c me we will make "a lot of mistakes". U let ur homornes reason 4 u then and leave ur brains out. Just imagine urself as an AIDS victim in a press conference on CNN, and the whole world is watching and u say "I had sex by mistake" "young teenagers it could happen 2 u too, u never know,any day now" , hmmm. . . . . its really a hoe's excuse

stopped having sex 10 yrs ago,guess i have a right to be here

@ kaecy5

-word

na nigerianity sis! notin more

kaecy5:
why una dey make these wowo girls feel funky

please if u know from deep down that your an ugly wowocious chick please and please again let your profile remain as it is
don't paiste your pix here

my computer is allergic to wowo pix

at least we now know most without pix are ugly

ma bro leave them,in the back of their minds they want to put it,they are waiting for 1st person