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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christians Say God Is Not A Magician? by Expressions(m): 1:25pm On Oct 16, 2014

timmy2409:
Magic: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source. You don’t think God's biblical exploits fit this description?
Seriously what greater feat of magic can there be than the creation of a universe itself from seemingly nothing? Or calling yourself to existence, again from nothing?

If you have a different definition of magic, I'd like to hear it.

I'll go with curious. Is it not a legitimate question?

It’ll be very helpful if you can go through those examples I listed in the OP and let me know which ones qualify as magic/miracles, and how they meet this criteria.

Is something a miracle because it is performed by God, or is God capable of performing only miracles?

(Matt 15:32; Mark 8:1) Jesus multiplies 7 loaves and few fish. (Joshua 10:12-14) God keeps the sun and moon motionless while Joshua and his men fought. Maybe you should read more of your bible!

What is a short period? 4 days? Because that’s how long Lazarus was dead for before his alleged resurrection by Jesus.

If that does not shake up your short period hypothesis enough, Ezekiel 37 details dry bones “rising from the dead”! Whatever the heck that means. For reference, it takes over a year for a buried human body to decay until it‘s all bones and teeth.

Once again, read the damn book!

What’s so big about the topic that we can’t discuss? You can just say you don’t have the answers and bow out if you want.

Anyhow having said all the above, I need to ask again. Why do Christians use the phrase “God is not a magician”? I assume you’re a Christian yourself. Have you ever used this phrase? What was the context?

Does it not seem that Christians doubt the actual influence that God’s infinite power of miracle/magic possesses in reality? Basically, anything that seems out of the realm of possibility in human minds and according to natural laws is also impossible for God. What do you think of this?

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All this because you have a brain, a dictionary and a Bible..

Curiosity? More like animosity.

Let me tell you something k:

Firstly I'm not into religion, neither a religionist nor a 'biblician'

but I can say I'm a Christian in the sense that I have come to recognise the Christ for who He Is and I wish to adhere to His Teachings! Just like I'm a Muslim in the sense that I agree with the Prophet who declared Islam as submission to the Will of God.

Mind you I didn't attain this recognition by reading the Bible ALONE! The Bible was a stepping stone.

How can you sit there squabbling about a compilation called Bible? Yes, you should know by now that the Bible is but a compendium! It's not a Book, not one written by one man say for instance Jesus Christ...

You think I haven't read the Bible, you think I didn't know what I meant when I asserted that material substance cannot arbitrarily be multiplied.
Let me hint you-
Even though the Gospels go under the names of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they were, in fact, written anonymously.

Not even the Bible claims that Mark was an eye witness to Jesus’ ministry. Modern, non-Christian biblical scholars believe that the gospel of Mark was written in Syria by an unknown Christian no earlier than AD 70, using various sources including a passion narrative (probably written) collections of miracles stories (oral or written), apocalyptic traditions (probably written), and disputations and didactic sayings (some possibly written). These stories were in circulation year after year, told in different languages and in different countries from that of Jesus.
That’s it. The source for the gospel of Mark is other peoples’ stories and writings. In other words, all of Mark’s sources were at best, second hand, more likely fifth or sixth hand. What happens to stories that circulate orally for years? Obviously, they come to be changed in the retelling.

Comparing Matthew 15:4 with Mark 7:10, Mark represents a more Gentile attitude in quoting the Old Testament as "Moses said" rather than "God said." Matthew, a Jew, would never have attributed the 10 commandments to Moses. It was God who said them, as all Jews will tell you. Naturally, there are many places in the first five books of the Bible which have 'And God said', but which are referred to by Jews as the Books of Moses...

This is just the New Testament (synoptic* gospels) not to mention mixing it with the Old Testament; plus confusing parables or anecdotes with real happenings....
What am I saying Op, don't feel great because you think you can question the existence of God with mere brain, dictionary and Bible.
Go beyond the limits in your seeking and appreciate Life.

All the best as you curiously fill the burning desire to recognise your Maker[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christians Say God Is Not A Magician? by Expressions(m): 11:42am On Oct 15, 2014

malvisguy212:
Our God is not a magician.he is a miracle working God,magic dos not need faith,and when you dont need faith,you dont need God to believe in.

But you need faith to work miracle,faith in who? Faith in God.

@expressions. God bless you.

And you too @malvisguy212

Romance › Re: Love Counsellor. by Expressions(m): 11:18am On Oct 15, 2014

iamjane:
[size=21pt]FRAUD ALERT!! THIS NA ONE PERSON O.... DS GUY MUST HAVE MULTIPLE HANDLES/MONIKERS, I KNOW WAT IAM SAYING.THIS latest one was created just three days ago [/size]

Wow! ! My sister you too? Imagine what this concerned kaya09 guy did to me o huh

ever since I ve been observing him. What re they turning nairaland to?

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Romance › Re: Love Counsellor. by Expressions(m): 11:06am On Oct 15, 2014

kaya09:
Hello mrcork,good evening to you. We have alot of sad people in the world,people who just need some1 to tell them its gonna be alryt. Never underestimate the power of reassurance,it is inspiring.

What's going on here?

Could this be the same kaya09 who trolls about insulting and derailing Adonbilivit!

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Family › Re: Opinion: Is It Ok For A Married Woman To UnCloth In The Presence Of Her Siblings by Expressions(m): 9:55am On Oct 15, 2014

thorpido:
Pained?You're the one using emotional expressions like 'irritating','insane' etc.
Anyway,i never said you had to do it.I was just showing you it's not abnormal in some families and that doesn't lead to incest as you stated.

It's abnormal though

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christians Say God Is Not A Magician? by Expressions(m): 9:51am On Oct 15, 2014

timmy2409:
Also consider this set of expressions:

Faith + Works = Results
Works - Faith = Results
Faith - Works = FAIL

Why do you think this is so?

You called wink

But why use the word magic? Why associate His Name with magic in the first place??

Are you a Christian? A seeker? Are you just being curious? Is this sacarcsm? Or rhetorical?

Do you believe in miracles? Do you know the difference between miracles and magic?

Do you know that miracles cone from above and magic from below?

Do you know miracles must be in complete accord with God's Laws?

Do you know that fish and bread cannot be multiplied? And the moon and sun cannot be stilled for the sake of Man?

Do you know that truly a man can be raised from death only within a short period of his passing on? Nb*this miracle can't be performed by a fellow man though.

This topic is way bigger than mere discussions.

Health › Re: Be Happy by Expressions(op): 1:10pm On Oct 12, 2014

adonbilivit:
for me?

Yeah. Let me paint you a picture:

I used to think depression was deep sadness.

I don't know how but I feel a need to reach out to those who think they are because in the process they sink in (without making a sound like in a swamp/mire).

Some is due to no known fault of theirs: some are just so SELFLESS, they can't help it but the world has gone beyond changing- it has changed. Lost for words for now