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truthman2012: .. Your argument is that the Torah and Injeel were not in writing...

F00028: now that revelation has not been preserved in its pristine form. Jesus Christ never wrote down anything neither did he ask anyone to write, and while he was around nothing was written down!

truthman2012: ...Do I have to keep repeating this a million times before you understand?

truthman2012: The Bible says Jesus is the Word of God and the word was God (John 1:1). Can you separate a speaker from his words? He y(Jesus) said He and the Father are one. What is your own interpretation of these? Half a word is enough for the wise.

truthman2012: I put it to you that quran exhorts you to seek refuge in Allah to deceive you so that you will not suspect he (Allah) is the devil. He even allows you to curse and throw stones at him capitalising on your spiritual ignorance.

truthman2012: The Bible says Satan transforms to angel of light to deceive (II Cor. 11:14) and he succeeds deceiving the unreasonable.

truthman2012: @F00028
All your questions had been answered in this thread. You have been accused of repeating already answered questions to muddle up things. This is very true of you.

F00028: kindly, please, I beg of you, give me one example of scripture written at the time of Jesus!

F00028: -what distinctly makes Jesus God? for
example did he say, unambiguously, he
was God? because the Almighty God is
not shy to proclaim it e.g Isaiah 42:10...

F00028: why would the
Qur'an exhort Muslims to seek refuge in God
from the devil even before reciting it ?

F00028: ...if Jesus said they are "one", then what does it mean exactly?
because from where I stand certain
verses e.g mat. 19:16, john 20:17, 8:28,
14:28 would seem to preclude certain
interpretations.

F00028: doesn't the God you believe in know any science? how can the Bible, if it is his book, be full of scientific
absurdites?

F00028: now how about you give me some answers for a change:

F00028: kindly, please, I beg of you, give me one example of scripture written at the time of Jesus!

F00028: -what distinctly makes Jesus God? for
example did he say, unambiguously, he
was God? because the Almighty God is
not shy to proclaim it e.g Isaiah 42:10...

F00028: why would the
Qur'an exhort Muslims to seek refuge in God
from the devil even before reciting it ?

F00028: ...if Jesus said they are "one", then what does it mean exactly?
because from where I stand certain
verses e.g mat. 19:16, john 20:17, 8:28,
14:28 would seem to preclude certain
interpretations.

F00028: doesn't the God you believe in know any science? how can the Bible, if it is his book, be full of scientific
absurdites?

truthman2012: You are trying to hide behind a finger.

truthman2012: Give your own version of interpretation of quran 5:101-102. Waiting.

tbaba1234: Basically, this verse talks about asking useless questions that do not benefit you or your practice of your religion. Questions that might bring about new rulings that might cause us difficulty. It was revealed when we had muslims who would ask the prophet useless questions like who is my father? or where is my camel? so even though the prophet answered these questions they have no ultimate value.

F00028: kindly, please, I beg of you, give me one example of scripture written at the time of Jesus!

F00028: -what distinctly makes Jesus God? for
example did he say, unambiguously, he
was God? because the Almighty God is
not shy to proclaim it e.g Isaiah 42:10...

F00028: why would the
Qur'an exhort Muslims to seek refuge in God
from the devil even before reciting it ?

F00028: ...if Jesus said they are "one", then what does it mean exactly?
because from where I stand certain
verses e.g mat. 19:16, john 20:17, 8:28,
14:28 would seem to preclude certain
interpretations.

F00028: doesn't the God you believe in know any science? how can the Bible, if it is his book, be full of scientific
absurdites?

take dat: "If" Buhari drops dead today, does it mean we've lost all hopes of tackling corruption? No! This move is for the greater good of the party, if after dotting the I's and crossing the t's they finally decide he is the right man for the job, so be it! For now individual ambitions should be relegated!

Bidam: lemme summarize it...Ahmed deedat downfall began when he attacked the crucifixion and ressurection of Christ in front of a large audience in australia.(may 1996)..

truthman2012: Liar. What kind of enquiry? Tell the world the kind of enquiry the people made and when the truth was known to them, they could not continue to follow islam anymore?

F00028: you are so blinded by prejudice you dont see whats right before your eyes.

truthman2012: You people hate the truth. There were.
many writings before and at Jesus time which are called the Scriptures.

truthman2012: @F00028
You are making a lot of new inventions.

truthman2012: What was the revelation (injeel) God gave to Jesus? What are the teachings of Jesus and where do you find them?...

truthman2012: How do you know the injeel (which I doubt you have seen before) was not preserved? Show with proof what is missing, removed or added.

You said Jesus didn't write anything and he never told anybody to write. How can the injeel be preserved if not in writing?

truthman2012: You said when he was around nothing was written down. Prove with evidence.

truthman2012: You people hate the truth. There were many writings before and at Jesus time which are called the Scriptures.

truthman2012: Your quran also refers to the Scriptures.

What therefore are the Scriptures? Oral speeches?

truthman2012: You are displaying a lot of ignorance.

truthman2012: It is not your fault. Your quran has warned against knowing the truth so that muslims will remain muslims to lure them to hellfire. Spiritual manipulations:

Quran 5:101:
O ye who believe! Ask not of things...

truthman2012: @F00028
You lack the knowledge of the Bible and cannot see the truth because your mind is made up.

If Luke and Mark were not among the first twelve disciples, Matthew and John were. Do you believe their witnesses?

truthman2012: Fistly, who wrote the Gospel (with proof) which your quran accepts as authentic and where can it be found.

truthman2012: The Gospel according to Mark, Luke and John, (you forgot to mention Matthew), which you said are not recorgnised had been on ground before Muhammad. Who said they were not recorgnised because your quran y not say so. Your claim is not quranic, it is your own invention.

truthman2012: ...Yet your quran says something that happened in the public was not true. The witnesses of many people. Satan does not want people to believe in the only source of salvation.

truthman2012: Those who wrote the Gospel, which your quran talks about severally are the disciples of Jesus. They were eye-witnesses to Jesus (Matthew 10:1-5).

truthman2012: This Gospel your quran recorgnises as authentic (Quran 5:47). Where do you get your own theory?

truthman2012: That was the scholar's opinion. Not the Bible. Jesus cried 'Eli' not Alah or Alaha.

pointblank 321: @F00028

All your questions require the same answers which I have given severally. I can't keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

The Bible says Jesus cried to Eli (Matthew 27:46), not Alah.

Bidam: pls stop belittling the person of Jesus..ur knowledge and perception concerning the Bread of Life is little..i hope u guys ave not forgetten in a hurry what happened to ur broda the "blasphemer" ahmed deedat?

MacDaddy01: You know, Betathings always asks to show eveidence that muslims insult others form other religions/beliefs. Thanks for adding to my arsenal along with vedaxcool.

Can you please continue

striktlymi: Good evening Sir,

Yes you are right that it is a figure of speech. Sacred scriptures is not only written in plain language. There are parts that make use of symbolisms, other parts were written in plain language while some others still have some denotative meaning etc.

The secret to unearthing the message inherrent in sacred scriptures is understanding the message the author is trying to pass across at each point in time. If we fail to get the underlying message then we would fail to understand sacred scriptures in its entirety.


Thank you!

tobechi74: Just wondering what logic boy last word would be

striktlymi: When we say "one has not been in the four walls of a University" do we mean that the University has four walls?

pointblank 321: Allah (Satan) that demon Gabriel introduced does not have a son. But the true God has a Son and other children including me...

pointblank 321: @F000028
Again, you dodged refuting paragraphs 5 and 6 above. So they stay valid. Keep dodging, the readers are watching.

pointblank 321: Do I still need to prove that the messages of demon Gabriel to Muhammad were inconsistent with the Bible? Are they not direct opposite?

F00028: 1. give me an example, and
2. what kind of confirmation are you
talking about?

pointblank 321: God's Gabriel that appeared to Mary said she was going to have a son who shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35)

pointblank 321: Allah's Gabriel that appeared to Muhammad said Allah does not have a son...

pointblank 321: You ran away from answering some of the paragraphs. Why?

pointblank 321: It has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that Allah or Gabriel was an evil spirit:

Firstly,there were many people including a young lady, Mary who had contact with God's true angel Gabriel and there was no report of torture. God's angels don't torture people to bring good tidings.

pointblank 321: Secondly, the messages brought by Gabriel were inconsitent with the ones before them and there was no confirmation by his sender. He alone spoke throughout the quran.

pointblank 321: I want to inform you that satan as an arch-spirit knows science more than any scientist.

pointblank 321: Yes. God has changed the form and nature of many things He created and will possibly continue to do.

pointblank 321: I also want to confirm to you that Gabriel commanded Muhammad to read and not to recite.

pointblank 321: Recitation is 'repeat after me'...?

pointblank 321: Why should he allow himself to be tortured as many as three times if it was only to recite, which he could do easily?

pointblank 321: Gabriel (satan in disguise)...

pointblank 321: Are you saying Satan does not know science?

pointblank 321: Can you quote where the Bible talks about the world being flat, has four corners and standing on pillars?

pointblank 321: If the scientist discovered something different from what God said, it means He had changed the form He created it...

pointblank 321: Quran 96:1-5 talks about 'read' and 'pen'. So it is talking about reading and not reciting. You write with pen for reading and not for reciting....

cleanvessel: What is said in the Quran about this world that only the Creator could know?...

cleanvessel: ...Besides, what was the illiterate man commanded to read? Gabriel was meeting him for the first time and did not come with any written document.

Logicboy03: What a foolish statement.

cleanvessel: Belief is a matter of faith. Spiritual things often times cannot be proved as no physical evidence might be available.

cleanvessel: Muhammad claimed he received revelations from Allah's angel, Gabriel and you believe it. How do you prove this was so?

cleanvessel: No. Jesus said He and His Father are one. How? He (Jesus) alone knows. This is the mystery (I Timothy 3:16).

We know Jesus does not tell lies. His name is the Truth and He is faultless (John 14:6, Quran 19:19).