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no. 5 reminds of about 52 mass murdering atheist dictators. |
1,2,3,7,8 remind me of dawkins ![]() |
Yooguyz: Fool28, it was unnecessary for you to include "Jesus" into the topic in oder to enable you post it in the christian section. This topic would have fared well in the islam sectionthat's very christian of you... ![]() |
[quote author=dansmog++]can you provide facts about that our scholars believe he spoke (if at all only) aramaic, you dont have links or articles of one of our scholars. Neither do i put much on them, the HOLYSPIRIT will guide when reading the bible.[/quote]-what language did Jesus speak?: http://www.godward.org/hebrew%20roots/did%20jesus%20speak%20hebrew.htm -because its only you that's guided by the holy spirit? they spirit cant guide them? ![]() |
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@dansmog++ -your scholars have always believed he spoke aramaic. however. there is this new theory that he may have spoken hebrew. Whatever it was it certainly wasn’t greek. [quote author=dansmog++]let me clear something here, Jesus spoke with some people in the bible that dont understand aramaic, tell what language will he use? Their language of course. There are the hebrew or so in the temple, there were so many romans in the place jesus went to too.[/quote]Jesus obviously never needed to preach to romans mt. 15:24 -“I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.” no romans there. [quote author=dansmog++]And my question is about those quran verses which i gave to you concerning islam or muslim as peace in english meaning[/quote]-the quranic verses you quoted showing islam means surrender/submission to God? Can you quote when/where I ever said Islam didn’t mean that? ![]() Can you quote when/where I ever said, “Islam means peace”? ![]() stop putting words in my mouth and refuting them so you can appear intelligent! ![]() |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]@f0028 .. I posted a good example of the affiliation, but you intentionally ignored it. I believe that‘s not a good way to debate. Since the writer is not inspired by God according to you, I don‘t see any reason why what he wrote should be a point of contention to you or am I missing something here? Goodnight.[/quote]-“affiliation”? what does that mean? -yes, you are missing a whole lot. you should really read luke 1:1-3 …and goodnight to you too. |
@ dansmog++ are you referring yo this? : [quote author=dansmog++]DOES ISLAM REALLY MEAN PEACE? F00028 gave some root of islam which end up meaning peace, but i tell you, that nowhere in the quran defines islam as peace...[/quote]I never said that. you can re-read the post again. I'll get back to you on this: am a lil' busy now. [quote author=dansmog++]is that the question i asked you? And how did you know that he spoke aramaic or arabic.. The bible was written in hebrew and greek...[/quote] |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]@dansmog .. Don‘t mind f0028, he is only be contentious. I have answered him as regards Greek being the language of the writer who received the inspiration to write the gospel and not aramaic.[/quote] my God! do you not read the bible yourself? your writer who ever he was was never inspired.read the first three verses |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]@f0028 .. ‘re u sure he did not do anything in affiliation with the name of Jesus?[/quote]I am positive the Prophet Muhammad did not come, say or do anything in the name of Jesus. like all of God's prophets before him, Jesus inclusive, everything was in the name of the One True God. [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Bible teaches that salvation is found in God but through Jesus.[/quote]my question was what does Jesus himself say about how you attain salvation? or do you not know? |
@dansmog++ Jesus didn't speak greek. |
proo212: @F00028, actually it was Apostle John that said to test every spirit in 1 John 4:1my mistake. thanks. F00028: maybe you can tell me clearly what exactly does "son of God" mean |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Well, moh‘d is not prophet of the God that I serve because Jesus said in matt.24:5 “for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ (which means messiah i.e the one sent by God to save the world )‘, and they will lead many astray“, and moh‘d fits perfectly into that description.[/quote]no, it does not: the Prophet Muhammad did not come, say or do anything in the name of Jesus and he never claimed to be the messiah. ...and that is not what messiah means! rather, I have seen that verse and others used in reference to many of your modern so called MOGs. [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]As per your last question, I don‘t get your point.[/quote]ok. what does Jesus Christ himself say about how one attains salvation? |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]@f0028 .. Mushlam as Jesus said? So for me to submit to God‘s will and be perfect I must believe anybody who claim to be God‘s messenger?[/quote]not every claimant. didn't Jesus Christ say test whether the prophet is of God first? [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Why don‘t you as a muslim believe every other self-professed messenger of God that has been on earth since after the death of Moh‘m?[/quote]because God had already declared he would be last, with a non racial, universal message to mankind that would abide till the end. and guess what by some miracle 1,400 plus years later that message is still here unadulterated. [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Act 4 :10-12 made me understand that God has set Jesus for the salvation of mankind and there‘s no other through which man can be saved, so why should I be looking for someone else to validate my faith?[/quote]look, Jesus Christ should be the ultimate authority in the bible on what will constitute salvation. what does he say about salvation? |
proo212: For that reason alone, we know He is unique if He was made to be in the womb of a Jewish woman 2000 years ago...Adam is more unique. in his case there wasn't even a womb to carry him to term. proo212: What qualifies him as a prophet? I'm still waiting for the prophecies you wanted to point me to...you can correct me if I am wrong but I dont think I ever talked to YOU about any prophesies. if you are dying to debate whether the coming of the prophet Muhammad was prophesied by Jesus Christ, start a thread. |
@proo212 he was simply made to be. in the womb of a young Jewish Girl, only 2000 years ago, without any male intervention, by the All Wise, All Powerful Creator. |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]@F0028 .. The quran tells you mohammed is a prophet of God,which is not my problem...[/quote]but if you are truly mushlam, as Jesus Christ would say, you shouldn't ignore a prophet of that God. especially one who brings a universal message and not just for a select group. [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]As for the greek text; you are only sounding ridiculous, that you don‘t speak swahili doesn‘t mean someone can‘t write your biography in swahili.[/quote]I suppose some anonymous writer could write my biography years after am gone, quoting me in another language, but I dont think people can reasonably take it as the definitive authority on my life. |
omobaba101: Jesus also said the following among other things:so? during the time Moses, before Jesus, was there no way to God? omobaba101: Johnare these all the words of Jesus the Christ? |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Like I said earlier, mushlam means submission to God and being perfect and muslims are not the only ones that submit to God(provided we are talking about the same God), jewish and xtians also do...[/quote]then why in the name God, were you making such a fuss? in our submission we accept all of God's prophets. the Jews stop at Moosa and reject Jesus. you stop at Jesus and reject Muhammad. [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]The arabic translation is not what matters but the original language of the writer(Greek) which is ‘katarizo‘ which means to be complete.[/quote]Jesus didn't speak greek, didn't write greek, didn't ask any greek to write anything in greek. and nothing was written in greek while he was around. plus your scholars don't know for sure who the writer was. [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Futhermore, Islam started only after Mohammed professed to receive messages from God, thus I don‘t see any reason why Jesus would be referring to it when it was non-existence then.[/quote]have you never heard of 'prophesies'? [quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Next time, you want to get information about controversial religious matter, try as much as possible to get it from neutral sites/persons as info from religious sites are usually sentimental.[/quote]I advise you to listen to all sides. |
these two are masterminds? |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]@f0028.. Enlighten you kè? You started the thread and I believe you have alot you want to share with us. Just to clear things, both(Hebrew and Aramaic) are from western branch of semitic languages, but Hebrew is more ancient than the Aramaic. Besides, Hebrew is a canaanite language whereas Aramaic is not. Hebrew has periodic dialects [size=20pt] which can [/size] bring about differences in the actual meaning of few word(s). But in the case of Aramaic,it even varies more as there are regional and periodical dialects leading to [size=20pt] possible [/size] differences in meaning of FEW words from region to region and period to period. I believe you can now reason with me that the actual meaning of the word ‘mushlam‘ in Hebrew(which you quoted above) [size=20pt] may be [/size] different from that of Aramaic(which was the language spoken by Jesus), hence there‘s need for you(since you are the OP) to come up with Aramaic meaning.[/quote]-I already did share -you are the contentious one. you come up with that aramaic meaning. and stop wasting time with all this, it can, it may, it's possible... |
wiegraf: Op, I'll say uncle moh may have been more influential than jesus in the same way hitler, stalin, or genghis khan may have been more influential gandhi...wise man once said, nothing leads us to blunder quicker than illogical comparisons |
smemud: people will die of hatred ![]() |
@alaafia l‘oro ok. enlighten me, please. |
proo212: @F00028 the last time i checked. Jacob, Israel, David and even myself are sons of God...then what's so special about Jesus? if its because he had no earthly father? Adam had no father or mother! Jesus at least had a mother so creating him was only half the trouble. Adam is a greater miracle. besides, the man calls himself "son of man" about seventy times. proo212: But Psalm 2:7 you referred to is actually referring to Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ is the only Begotten Son of God 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.This is also confirmed in John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, [b]the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,[/b]) full of grace and truth."this day have I begotten thee"- if it refers to Jesus not David as you claim, that about 500 years after Moses. was it then that Jesus was begotten? "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.." - are these the words of Jesus? maybe you can tell me clearly what exactly does "son of God" mean |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Let‘s forget about the synonyms stuff. Let‘s go back to my previous question : what‘s the meaning of mushlam?[/quote]let's not. " The Hebrew word "mushlam" comes from the root "Sh L M". "Shalom" which comes from the same root means "peace". The Arabic word "muslim" comes from the root "S L M". "Salam" means "peace". "Salem" means "safe"." |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]...but the versees proo02 quoted above was spoken by Jesus, so do you now believe that he‘s the son of God?[/quote]he, Jacob/Israel, Ephraim, David etc all sons of God. -ex 4:22, jer 31:9, ps 2:7 and when proo212's bible class gets to joh 14:20 he will see as Jesus is in the Father, the disciples are in him and he in them. that makes them deities too? ![]() |
ain't that kung fu panda? ain't he suppose to be tough? ![]()
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proo212: @F00028, according to your quoteit doesn't how many times you've mentioned it. this is what I said: ..if they are the words of Jesus, they are scripture. |
[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]Evidence? You are looking for evidence when you are obviously feeding on half information gotten from an islamic website. Com‘on, there is no language which doesn‘t have synonyms for almost every word, you can‘t jump into conclusion that he made use of the exact word ‘mushlam‘. Having said that, what is the meaning of ‘mushlam‘ ? I ‘ve my own meaning for it (from the internet) but let me know yours so as to know the direction the discussion should go. Thanks.[/quote]of course am looking for evidence. and since you have the "full" information it shouldn't be difficult for you to provide it. your are the one alluding he used a synonym |
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these two are masterminds?