₦airaland Forum

chy101:
Comparing Orlu and Okigwe to Nnewi is an insult to the psyche of people and it rankle the mind on the mad and ignorance you have consistently exhibited on this forum. Nnewi is far developed and can even compete with your state capital Owerri that is if you have visited Nnewi in the recent time. Orlu and Okigwe cannot even compete with mere Ekwulobia and Uga not to talk of Nnewi. I have consistently asked you guys does Imo state starts and ends with Owerri?? Owerri and Imo state in general is among the most under-developed states in Nigeria despite the huge allocation that is received by imo state. In the whole of the east Imo state is the worst hit in terms of infrastructural development. Awka that was made capital recently has far developed more than your prostitution ridden owerri. Oweeri after years of creation has not developed beyond douglas and wetheral roads. Imo state is a shame to the SE and Nigeria at large. Where is your gov ohakim today, if he did not steal imo blind why is he running?? Your govt should start creating jobs rather than painting of roads. So stop making noise for your dead rural and primitive state of imo.

You can keep compiling your "Diary of a mad man" all you want. I hope for the sake of good people of Anambra that you do not come across the "Nolongtin" of other states.

I know about a third of Nigeria like the back of my hand so put up pictures or shut up. You live there so that can not be very difficult to do or maybe you are going to start posting pictures of exercise books again.

You go about engaging in fights even when it's obvious that defeat is guaranteed.

They mention Asaba and you come out swinging. They talk of Ibadan and you can't keep your silly opinion to yourself. No place is good bar Anambra.

What is your worth as an individual ? If they have to sort the wheat from dirt in Anambra, you will be among those that will end up in River Niger silly boy. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones. Goodluck to you and this is my last engagement with you.

chy101:
You must be a bloody fool. We are not here to compare states, but if you insist on comparing Anambra to your small owerri which is not even up to one single estate (Udoka Estates Awka or Omagba Phase 1 & 2). Anambra has three big major cities (Awka, Onitsha and Nnewi) either of them can pass for a state capital. What does Imo state have except painting of roads and street walls and trees without providing the real infrastructure. There is one question I kept asking about Imo state, does Imo state starts and ends with Owerri?? Why does the successive govts in imo failed to expand owerri to befit a growing state capital?? Why does the govt not developing Orlu and Okigwe to become useful to the state. Why has the rural areas in imo state been neglected to waste away with no assess roads. Today Anambra has the best road networks not only in Awka and Onitsha but to all the rural areas of the state. All the rural areas in Anambra are opened up with development due to good roads unlike in Imo state where the rural areas are no-go areas.

Put up pictures of Awka or shut up. Your Awka is a suburban area and the longest distance across town is less than 3 KM. Awka is the least developed state capital in the east and is on the same level as Orlu and Okigwe. Nnewi is more industrial than Orlu and Okigwe but is more rural than both Areas.

This is exactly how you made Nolongthing drag you all over the floor with your empty boasts and you still haven't learn your lesson. I suggest that someone from Anambra reigns you in before you meet your match from other areas of Igboland.

Onlytruth na ndi ozo na agu/anu asusu anyi, a ga m asi ka unu gbaa ra onye nzuzu ahu bi na isi obodo Anambara oso, ma obu du ya ndumodu maka na o ga na ebutara unu nkpari dika osi mee na edemede nke ozo ahu I bidoro maka oganihu obodo owuwa anyanwu.

Anyi ndi ozo bu ndi obodo anyi na ejide si onwe anyi aka ike, i hapu ikpari ndi anambara ka o si akpari ndi ozo mgbe nile. O ga adi nma ka unu na a bara ya mba mgbe nile ka okwusi I na ekwuto ndi ozo ma obu I na ama aka onye amu ya ka nke ibe ya na etiti anyi.

@ Onlytruth, the economy of Nigeria is running at less than 10% so I don't think that there will be a shift from anywhere, however, other areas will open up to tap into their potentials, creating jobs and infrastructure for those in the areas. There might be a little bit of shuffling, but that's it.

As per Enugu, I think the city has the best road connections in the east and I love the peripherial road network and connections coming from 9th mile and branching off Near Emene towards PH express. Here is what I mean and there are lots more:

The whole Nigeria is a mess with regards to roads and criminal governors have not helped either. The population of Ibadan should be able to sustain a reasonable economic growth and ensure self reliability, but the governors have neglected Ibadan just like Abia state have neglected Aba.

It shouldn't be a problem that Ibadan is an old city, which means that it will be crowded with narrow roads especially in the central areas. A reasonable govt would be able to manage that, creating one way systems and integrating the old city with the new one. Central London is very much crowded with a lot of 2-3m wide roads, but the difference is that all the buildings are in line and orderly. It should be a source of pride to have very old buildings unless you are like the Chinese who destroy and replace old with new.

I prefer the British style where if a building is old, you can only restore it back to the original form and in some cases cannot make permanent internal alterations depending on the type of listing the building has.

While people are knocking down mud houses left right centre, I built a mud house (with a modern touch) within my private compound and people like it.

My point is that we need to appreciate the old while embracing the new.

Beaf:
Thats really interesting! In the Benin legend, he had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, is it the same in Owere and Mbaise? If it is the same, there must be a link between the two peoples, maybe travelers or migrations. Who knows? Its definitely interesting though.

I don't know much about him, only that he was loved as he was gentle. I must have just nodded my head as a kid as we were being taught about him. It is interesting to note that a people in Abia state (Umunneochi) claim that Alakuku was from there. I tried to google him and stumbled upon that info but I haven't got the link here, I'm afraid.

^^^
Yeah iknow what you mean, but I like those sudden bumps that seem to come from the ground and force routes to divert or go around them.

ekt_bear:
I must say, this Owerri looks beautiful.

Thank you, I wish there were some hills tho cos I am biased towards hilly areas. I have got my own hilltop land in Umuahia.

Nigeria is quite interesting minus the violence. I travelled the rail route from KD to PH several times as a kid and the natural views are spectacular especially between Kafanchan and a place known as Langalanga in Plateau state and you could travel for hours without seeing any sign of human life, but would see some animals in the wild. That stretch is extremely rocky with rolling hills and mountain range and is a sight to behold. A smart/peaceful country would develop tourist camps within that stretch.

Beaf:
Hmm! I always thought that was a Benin legend (as Olukuku though). Interesting, do the artworks simply narrate the legend or is that part of the local culture?

It's an Owere and Mbaise legend, but you never know. I started living in Owerri at the age of six and we were taught in primary school as well. I will ask my mum tho. The sculpture is about 10ft and lying on the side and if you go to Mbari cultural centre, there are guides to explain all the artworks there, so I guess they must have some documentation as well.

Concorde hotel

Eko Ile:
Finally the round about. I've been wondering when the round about go surface, lol

Chino's brother from Lagos, how u dey ? At least u are not bitter as he is. You are version 1 while he is Version-extreme 44 reloaded.

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I have to add that Assumpta is the biggest landmark in Owerri. It was bombed several times during the war but it stood its grounds.

In terms of culture, a trip to Mbari cultural centre and amphi-theatre would enlighten you. There are several carvings and artworks including the legendary Giant Alakuku.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: PROUD-IGBO
Nna it looks like Onitsha: Omagba, Nkpor or Awada area; not sure.
I won't be shocked if it is still Ala Owerre.

Na that's my home city Enugu (I got the map of Nigeria at the back of my hand). New Haven to be precise.

asha 80:
wait this aladinma shopping plaza is not that piece of land near housing estate primary school aladinma and is flanked by mbano and lake nwaebere street

when did this happen?

I wu ama ala gbuhula m aka. Ohakim's era. He was silly but he did some good stuff. For example, you can now out flank Control post going to concorde or PH from Douglas axis and Ogbaosisi has been moved to Naze.

@ Onlytruth from 2.5 Milla.

Rear of concorde and Yar Adua way New owerri

Rear of all season and Area D world Bank

Aladinma mall and all seasons

Abagworo:
I don't know why all these envious comments from a fellow Igbo.I have never compared Imo with Anambra but pictures and experience speak louder than words.

I don't know why you have chosen to respond to the bitter people. If they have any point to prove, they should back it up with pictures and statistics.

Abagworo:
There are actually pedestrian crossings and markings on the major roads now.As for the side walks compare with this sister city that has underground drainage and pavements but yet is unliveable.

Abia governor should be tied to a stake and all Aba residents allowed to take turns in flogging him with doctors on standby to resuscitate him should they need to do so in order not to derail the flogging exercise. Aba was well planned and all it needs is some cosmetic dressing and I can't understand how anyone could derive pleasure from starving his cash cow.

As as per Owerri anyi, I just love it as nwa Owere. However, the govt should come up with a fast solution to check the traffic menace which is now a nightmare. The city has expanded rapidly in the last few years and and it looks like there are a lot more cars on the roads these days, therefore Rochas should hurry up and complete the ring road to ease the traffic especially around control post stretching all the way to Orji. Owerri happens to be a nodal city (multi-city junction) and a ring road or by passes are needed to deflect traffic from town.

So what body of water does the Marina face ? All the areas you mentioned are inland with lagoon shore line and have nothing to with the atlantic coastline or continental shelf, which is directly off Ogun state.

The lagoon starts from the mouth of Marina which faces the atlantic unless you are saying that the area opposit the marina is the lagoon. If you say it's the lagoon, by the same token Bar Beach through naval docks is also the lagoon because it's the same body of water off the coast of lagos island, stretching along by Apapa all the way to Badagry coast line. You do not understand what a lagoon means.

Yes, littoral states are relevant to this particular argument because Ogun state is a littoral state with atlantic shoreline. Even the FG included Ogun state in their case against littoral states, in which they sought supreme court's ruling as to the limits of their seaward boundary and you somehow know more than the FG ?

Show us a map that excludes Ogun from the atlantic coast line and I will concede this to you.

Do you know what ? Your mind is probably set and this is my last take on this unless you come up with facts which will make me acknowledge that you are correct.

aribisala0:
please read my post carefully i did not say ogun state does not have a coastline. even benue state ,kogi state and kaduna states have coastlines. what i said is ogun state does not have a coast on the atlantic.
e.g. if you have ever been behind unilag or on the third mainland what you will observe is an extensive Lagoon coastline. this is NOT the Atlantic.
it is important to distinguish lagoons,BIGHTS or BAYS from the atlantic(OCEAN) they are not the same.
the coastline in ogun is INLAND extension of the lagos Lagoon.  i believe ajumo is in lagos state and is a lagoon village i don't know about olokota but i i know olokola which i think it is in ondo state and again is NOT on the atlantic.
i am not sure there is a place called olokota.
google must be mistaken

Bights, bays and lagoons do not happen in isolation as they are usually a part of a larger body of water from where they emanate.

The atlantic lagoon in Lagos cuts through Lagos and extends to Ogun from all maps of Nigeria I have seen. However, Ogun's own version of Lagos Island also exists  (note that LI is an island because it was cut off from mainland by the lagoon i.e surrounded by the atlantic lagoon and the main body of the ocean) .

I don't know if anybody lives there or if it is just swamp land, but all maps show that to be part of Ogun state. The area by the atlantic might be a mangrove forest for all I know, but that doesn't mean it's not part of Ogun state, which encloses Lagos on all sides minus Benin and the Atlantic.

The Atlantic littoral states in Nigeria are Lagos, Ogun, Ondo,  Delta, Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibom and Cross River state.

To close this argument, bring forth a map that does not show Ogun to be on the Atlantic coast line. We cannot rely on your "I know Ogun very well", unless you are also saying that you undertook a mapping of Ogun state boundaries at some point.

By the way, coasts do not apply to rivers, but you could use shore for any body of water.

aribisala0:
I THINK THE MAP IS WRONG. I AM NOT AWARE OF OGUN STATE HAVING ANY TOWN ON THE ATLANTIC COAST.
the fact that you have to travel through ogun state to get to lagos state ( by road) proves nothing.
you also travel through aba to calabar from port harcourt.
of course i could be wrong and would like to learn the names of any towns or villages in ogun state that are on the atlantic coast

A portion of Ogun state is on the Atlantic coast.

Physics, you are in for a hard time today but I can see your source of annoyance but no be today.

Take Opobo and Bonny for instance; all documented trading houses (defacto ruling houses) in Bonny were headed by Igbo traders who took over from some other Igbo traders.

Jaja had problems with another trading house led by another Igbo and went off to establish Opobo (originally owned by the Ibibio) and was later joined by other traders and their trading language was Igbo.

Igbo is still the major local language of communication in Opobo and Bonny, but Ijaw people would want us to believe that the Igbo in those areas were their slaves, who somehow managed to impose their language on their masters. The minority Ijaw in those areas have schemed to overhaul Igbo language in those areas but it doesn't work that way. Some Ijaw revisionists have even claimed that Jaja was an ijaw known as Juwo Juwo, but we all know the true position.

Most people in all ethnic groups in Nigeria are fair minded, but the few bad minded ones always seem to be the most vocal and destructive who make others appear to be bad because they hide under a common identity. I can't understand this dragging of coastal land from lagos to Oron. I don't know if it is a strategic or tactical ploy, but I am sure no one will allow a few rough riders dictate to them.

I said b4 to leave matter for Matthias, when jungle set wetin go be, go be.

People who invest anywhere know the risks involved so there is no need to cry for them. It's a game of choice; if they win , they win and so be it if they lose as well.

Ndu_Chucks, there is some truth in some parts of your post, but I am still skeptical about your intentions going by your antics.

Ndu_Chucks, maybe you should be advising your people to stop killing people who are adding value to your economy/environment.

Did it occur to you that those people you want to depart from the north are merely exploiting business gaps in the country you forced them to belong to ?

How are you going to make them to return to the east and still want one Nigeria ?

You know Igbo land very well, so do you think your land is more developed than ours ?

You have been to or passed through Igbo villages, how many mud houses did you see ?

Igbo land is in dire need of further development, true dat, but are we not ahead of others in terms of poverty and literacy ? Why do you not remove the tree in your eyes before looking at the dust in another's ?

Did you not live in Igbo land ? Did anybody ask you to go back to the north to develop the north, because you could add more value to the north than the east ?

A lot of your people also live in Igbo land and elsewhere in Nigeria (you are the next biggest migrant population in any place in Nigeria behind Ndi Igbo), has any one asked you to go home or killed you at the drop of a hat ?

The difference between your people and Ndi Igbo is that Ndi Igbo believe in being comfortable where ever they live and wont hesitate to own properties where they live because it makes more sense to own a home than to rent. Those that live in the north know the risk they are taking, but you do not go into battle with the fear of death at the back of your mind. He who dares wins.

It's either you want one Nigeria and the perks that come with it or not.

Maybe you have written this in good faith, but I am skeptical about your intentions.

PhysicsQED:
^^^^

You're correct. So I guess 1952-1966 is what is relevant to their discussion.

That their discussion sef ! Minds have been cast and set in granite, but when the chips are down we will find out who can back up great talks with great walks.

PhysicsQED:
@ Abagworo, while I agree with the statement that the terrain was a hindrance to development of Bayelsa, I should point out that the Eastern region of Nigeria existed from 1939 to 1966.

But self rule was granted in 1952 and full independence achieved in 1960.

Ibime:
The whitewashing of history by the likes of Dede is simply laughable.

I was reading on the internet when I stumbled across an interview with a slave woman from Umahia who was owned by my great-grandfather Chief John George (pure Ijaw man).

It is simply laughable to claim that slave owners were Igbo. It is well known that significant portion of Nembe and Akassa are descendant from slaves. Pray tell, who owned them?

The only difference between Ijaw-owners and Igbo slave-owners is that slaves to Ijaw become part of the family whilst slaves to Igbo become Osu.

I doubt this story, unless you can provide a link. There was nothing like Umuahia at the time of slave trade. Umuahia became Umuahia circa 1908. Furthermore, don't try and become an expert on Igbo culture overnight just because you read a few articles. We had our own ohu (slaves; also called oru in some parts of Igbo land) in my kindred and they could gain their freedom if they worked at it. We gave them land in our ama as well and they  now participate in all our activities except for Umunna (direct descendants) events, especially (some) marriage and burial rights. FYI, osu was not a general practice in Igbo land and we have nothing like that in my clan (Ibeku)

Generally speaking, I am not interested in land arguments but people should know that when the chips are down; both the he-goat and the man wey carry am go market get bia-bia, but when market set, we go know who carry who come market.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: asha 80
Yes I am sure. Onitsha's problem is mainly infrastructure management, eg electricity and transportation planning issues.
I am an Onitsha boy because I spent most of my young life in Onitsha. Even the four story buildings are not planned to accomodate more than 2 flats per floor. In normal circumstances, it should be at least 4 flats per floor. Fortunately, Onitsha has one of the best planned layout system in Eastern Nigeria. If you don't believe me, take a look with Google satellite view. So, even with current space (without spreading out), Onitsha can still accommodate double its current population if properly densified.

But my hope is really on the undeveloped Iyi Owa Odekpe side.
I didn't even know that Anambra state borders Rivers state directly till now and there is a forest reserve there too. Just take a look.

Now is the time to come up with a blue print for metropolitan/Greater Onitsha and see it through. If the port kicks off, areas adjacent Onitsha will soon become part of the metropolis and you don't want people building in a harphazard manner and causing aesthetic eyesore and environmental problems. Lands would be lost as a result but, layouts must be well defined for the good of all.

Having a blue print now and following it through would save govt and people from unnecessary demolition of properties in the future. Onitsha is a city that is about to expand rapidly and there is no excuse to be caught unawares.

There is a blue print for old Imo state and developments have been largely in line with the blue print. The original blue print had a provision to link the drainage system in the 5 zones at the time and De Sam had actually lined up the pipeworks, which were later stolen/sold by military administrators in Imo.

IMO, we need to try as much as possible to save our forest reserves and trees as they have their own beauty and also help protect the environment. This is very important as SE is prone to soil erosion and trees help to prevent that.

Yes, Rivers state borders Anambra and you can see the loop of connection created by FG just to deprive Imo state of some oil fields. That loop resulted into splitting Egbema community between Rivers and Imo state

Innoson should really act on the bases that govt polices might be against them sometimes and rethink their sales strategy. How many people see their adverts on TV during football matches ? They need be aggressive in sales. To be a complete company, they need to be very visible in the market and not be afraid to throw in offers here and there like KIA.

Their products are targeted at a very small  section of the market (transporters and SUV lovers), which represent less than 10% of the market. They need to start producing smaller vehicles in order to cover all angles of the market.

Another key set back is the non-availability of credit facilities in Nigeria, otherwise going into finance deals with some banks would enable people buy and pay instalmentally to the banks,whilst they have received their money and moved on to other things.

I don't see how getting people living in those areas to post pictures of those areas will help them monitor the progress being made. Pictures are good for the curiousity of outsiders and nothing else. Only people who live of visit quite often are able to make that call.

Where exactly are you proposing that people should photograph ? If you are suggesting that all the bad roads should be photographed, you might have to negociate with Seun on bandwidth.

If you are referring to his 100 days claims, how do you know those were not there before he became governor ? If you are referring to projects at infancy, would you require stage by stage progress report or what ?

OK, here are a few youtube links to Owerri to start with and I hope you are able to make your assessment based on those shots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq74xFUbsMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5On2bz6Rxc&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyO7Tf8_lLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rm7WUwGKw&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSAtNhQVm1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXeYYJO7Wsk&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOdOakPa3RM&feature=related

Kobojunkie:
Please post pictures of Owerri so we can track Before and After. Pictures tell a 1000 stories ooo. If we can at least monitor by images, it is a start and will help keep up from being swindled in the future.

You probably need a help desk to help you out on this one. Oops, the last time you were in Owerri, there was no help desk to ask if there was an airport in Owerri so I guess pictures will do then.

@ Topic, some of those projects are still at infancy, but I can confirm that the Old commisioners quarters is being upgraded to be used as residence for civil servants.

In my opinion, the roads he did in Owerri did not need much attention and as such was a window dressing exercise for public consumption. The roads in World Bank need more attention than those roads, but I guess it is easier to pick soft targets.