₦airaland Forum

spyder880:
Thank you sir for those points.

No wahala, still learning from you. Thanx for dealing with criticism and advice in a mature manner.

Am Alone:
Bros Spyder, my take is that you have at least two different building you are building together.
To make them one, I think you need to chain them up. Otherwise  in a space of 6 months or so.
you will notice that the building will start to seperate at that joint(because of the rotation of the earth) & because just chalking it will not hold it back.
Note

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Again, I don't know how you plan to do the decking, but please dont make same mistake as you did with the german floor.
since you are building this house as a building, let the decking make them one!!!!!

That is the best solution I can offer.

OLUWA CHAMPION!!!!

The above in bold is false and shows a poor understanding of what you are trying to use as a postulate. Everybody on earth is moving at the same speed and direction (east) as the earth and you do not feel the speed.

Even if the earth were to change speed, unless that speed is not uniform or change was brought about by an external object (2nd law), which causes a sudden change or the earth suddenly departs from its axis of spin everybody will continue to travel at the same speed and direction as the earth with no effect on their stability as a result of the earth's spin. If you have a cup of water in your car and your acceleration is not sudden/erratic and your direction remains uniform,the water will remain in the cup; that's a simple illustration.

You could base your postulates on things like gravity, compression, landslide etc but not on the earth's spin. The day the earth's spin becomes a problem, we will have more worries than the stability a structure.

Spyder has already explained to you about other points you raised.

Most of those in support of the protests are highly intolerant of the views of other people. A lot of us are 100% in support of subsidy removal and there is no reason for prosubsidy people to expect anti-subsidy people like myself to support their protests.

How would the pro-subsidy people feel if anti-subsidy people barricaded the roads and stopped them from going about their business in peace ?

N97 is just for starters, full deregulation will happen before the end of the year.

Sam_Ikenna:
I'm Igbo, do I really have a right?
My ethnic group is Igbo, do my people have a right to choose their country?
I'm a christian, can I worship as I deem fit?

If you say yes to the above then why are you hounding me over subsidy protest? Why are you angry at me for leaving in 1967? Why are you killing me in the north even when I was fleeing for  my "landlocked" homeland?

You won the war, you have all the states and local government areas, you have the army, you have the navy, you have FCT, you have taken most of oil producing Igbo communities out of Igboland, you killed 50,000 of my people in 2 months (1966 pogrom), you killed over 2 million of my people when you declared war on us for daring to leave you, you rigged the census and have continued unabated, you gave my people 20 pounds, you have no federal presence in my land, you systematically purged my people from civil service after the civil war, you created hate between my people and their neighbours, you designated my people's property as abandon, and you have all the presidency to yourself before and after the civil war. You have it ALLLL! You don't need me! Leave me alone, please I beg you leave me alone! What more do you want from me?  

The pain I bear you don't know, the humiliation you brought to me you don't realize, the anger in me is better left unleashed, please let me be.

In my heart of hearts I wished you would leave me and at least enjoy your war booty but I have come to understand that the reason you refused to leave me alone is not because you are inherently bad, its not because you are perpetually evil, no its not. The reason you have refused to leave me alone is because you are incapable of doing so.

You may gloat on my pains, anger, loss, etc but I will forgive you. However, the humiliation and shame you brought to me is personal and will carry consequences. I counted my losses very very long time ago and during that time I stopped crying, I stopped seeking for your justice, I stopped believing in you, I knew I was on my own and embraced my fate, I knew you owed me in material terms, I knew you owed me in blood and tears, and then, and then, I knew that someday I would find you and I would reciprocate your "kindness" knowing you wouldn't consider it personal.

Dalu.

muami:
El Rufai to NERC "increase tariff so that foreign investors can come in and fix the power sector.
Govt to Nigerians "We need to deregulate/remove subsidy so that investors can come in and build refineries and fix the oil sector
El Rufai to Govt: "NO. Fix the refineries first before increasing price of fuel/removing subsidy

Which part of the hypocricy do people don't understand?

Goalpost shifting.

His stance is very hypocritical and the argument of trust is null and void. People generally do not trust government anywhere in the world, but they still allow their governments to run their countries.

We agree that the system is currupt but we cannot kick against a good policy based on a presumption of future mismanagement.

Government have promised to use the money judiciously and we can only hold them to account if they don't. I have never seen the police arrest a man because they think that he would steal a car that his neighbour is yet to buy. We need to do things in a logical order. The cart does not drive the horse, neither does the tail wag the dog.

Everyone with their own opinion; as for me I am 100% behind the government on this issue and the government must not shift from their position. If per adventure, they give in, they must under-purchace petrol and create scarcity which shoots the price up to about 170/l, let it linger for a while and then authorise the importers to deal directly with the marketers and that would effectively end the subsidy and return petrol to the correct market price. There are many ways to skin a rabbit !

GEJ should stand his grounds on this issue, we need to see growth in the sector.

If push should come to shove, he should accept partial subsidy like N20/liter and everyone goes home happy. He should then approve the importation of 20% of the estimated amount needed and make sure that they are actually delivered before making payments.

If 20% of proposed consumption (which would have been inflated as usual) is less than actual demand, we should start to see queues in a few months time due to scarcity and the price goes up due to scarcity and price should hit N170/l. He should let this scarcity linger for a few more months and then authorise the dealers to deal directly with the marketers and that would effectively remove the subsidy and the price returns to its true value of between N130 - N140/l.

The subsidy is not sustainable and must go. Ghana, Cameroon, Benin, Togo and co buy petrol at more than N140 and they are yet to die. Development of the sector is more important to me than the subsidy.

Ndu_Chucks, I know that you support subsidy removal and like me, you think that it could have been timed differently. Now that it has come to be, do you not think that we should back the government on this issue ? As for me, it is no retreat no surrender for the subsidy removal. This (subsidy) is the one egg that must be broken to make an omelet.

Kalu does not take rubbish. I remember 1999 when he allowed Aba to carry out reprisal attacks. The reprisals happened all the way to Obigbo in Rivers state. Yes, I agree that southerners in the north should dig in and defend themselves. Those who can't, should go back home until things cool off. The civil servants can go on sick leave until things cool off.

The worker is worthy of his wages. Anybody who embarks on a strike should be ready to forfeit their wages because they havent worked for it. Their reward should rest on their achievement of the aim of their strike.

Some of us support subsidy removal and those who do not support it should not be paid out of our pockets for depriving us of public services. Some of us are suffering as a result of the strike as well, so should we be compensated by the government because people refused to work ?

I do recognise their rights to go on strike but it is their choice and they should not expect to be paid for works not done.

Yes, no work no pay  

Nchara:
So they want to protest and want the police to allow them do so, but they cannot tolerate those not protesting and going about their legit businesses?

Some people think that everyone should do the same thing at the same time. There are people like me who support subsidy removal and we should be allowed to go about our businesses without fear of violence. Non protesters have already allowed protesters their rights to protest and protesters should also allow us our rights to sit at home or do whatever we like.

Our reporter from Ibadan reports that there is now a martial law in Oyo. Negociation still ongoing for a peaceful surrender. General Beaf has given the government in Oyo 24 hours to surrender.

The surrender would have happened already but Gen Beaf of the Presidential Guards insists on giving 400 slaps to the governor who is still trying to negociate the slaps to 20 to which Gen Beaf responded " no be groundnut we dey price here".

Freelance journalist Mr G.B Awe has offered to receive 40 slaps on behalf of the governor. More volunteers needed. International observers are pleading with Gen Beaf to take it easy with the slaps. Negociations continue.

"Under bridge" Ojuelegba has now fallen to Gen SLS led troops who are now mopping up from Lawanson and Ogunlana areas. Corporal E. "House" was seen running for dear life.

Orile and Iganmu have now exchanged hands a few times, but still under the control of Pro subsidy republic who are now calling for ceasefire. President GEJ wants unconditional surrender.

Meanwhile, Rivers govt have offered 0.02% subsidy to Rivers people. A foreign observer, Mr E. Bear thinks that this is a good thing for neighboring towns and bad news for Rivers pockets. I quite agree with that. "Something does not add up here" was all Mr T. KX could say.

otokx:
FACE is having a field day here

Na so bros, just letting the hair down.

PointB:
I am enjoying your reports of hostilities FACE carry on. Lol

Thanx bro. No be small tin

According to sources, the resultant high tension caused the capitulation of several places. Fed forces retook those places without firing a bullet. Implosion or confusion ? Time will tell.

Kano surrenders as Edo and Kaduna pro subsidy fighters blame foreign forces for meddling in the fight and leading to their unconditional surrender.

Meanwhile General SLS of the 1st marine regiment of the No subsidy govt promises to link up with 2nd paratroopers regiment led by Col Aganga at Ojota.

Badagry, Ojo, Festac taken by Gen SLS while intense fighting is going on at Jakande est, Mile 2, Coker, Orile, Berger and Tin can. A lot of refugees now "under bridge" at Ijora. Coconut and Apapa plead neutrality.

President GEJ demands unconditional surrender. More to come.

Edo , Kaduna fall to federal forces. Pockets of resisitance in Warri, but other areas of Delta now under federal control.

Middle belt captured. Sokoto, Kano occupied by federal troops. Bornu, Yobe, Bauchi, Adamawa surrounded by federal troops.

Last push by "44 subsidy brigade" to crush the 21st awoof battalion of the breakaway prosubsidy republic in Lagos, Ibadan and Ogbomoso.

Meanwhile, the 82 anti subsidy infantry Division covering of Anambra,Imo,Rivers, Bayelsa,CrossRiver,Akwaibom,Ebonyi,Benue and Abia have pledged their loyalty to the No subsidy govt of GEJ.

More to come.

Federal civil servants in Abia can go on strike if they want, as long as they know that they  forfeit their pay for any period they embark on a strike.

Abia state government did not remove the fuel subsidy and not everyone in Abia is keen to see the subsidy regime reinstated. There are people like me that support the removal and they should not embark on strikes that add no value to Abia state people and government.

Abians have good reasons to be happy about the removal of this subsidy as the private partnership refinery at Owaza can now proceed and create job for Abians.

Therefore all Abia state civil service workers should return to their duty posts and continue to serve Abia residents. Everyone knows that Orji does not hesitate to dump civil servants, so they should not provide him with the ammunition to "fire" them with and if he does fire them as a result of their sabotage, then they would have been well fired.

Abagworo:
The truth is that it is either the price is reduced below 100 Naira or the Karl Max theory will come to play in Nigeria. The rise of the masses against the elites and it will be deadly.

The killing of protesters is raising the spirit of Nigerians. Their death shall never be in vain.

On the Southeast, they are not a politically sophisticated people and are bound to sheepishly follow any easy,myopically profitable route. I am Igbo myself and know this well. Even during the eve of election when we had South-southerners engaged in constructive arguments on reasons to vote or not to vote GEJ, the Ohaneze hurriedly endorsed him unanimously.

Abagworo, you are not politically sophisticated and you are bound to sheepishly follow any easy, myopically profitable route. In addition , you are tyrant wannabe who would not allow others to be free thinkers.

You think other people should have the same goal as you and if not they are silly. You are the silly one who would sell his soul for 10k and sell his people in order to look good outside.

It is everybodies rights to either join the protests or not, and not be bullied/insulted by your likes for minding their own business. All your arguments here are so senseless and patronising and I wonder what sort of man you are. What you think you know very well as a result of being Igbo may be limited to your kindred or your inferiority complex. Arrow !

Nchara:
Yes, now we are arriving at some thing
Many of the Igbos born in the North in those days (Zik, Ojukwu, Cyprian Ekwensi, etc) were all born in Zungeru, Niger State. Their parents must have moved with home-made canoes along the River Niger which goes through Niger State. Good insights, Face and Tpia.

It follows then too that before the colonialists came, Igbos and the North must have been trading via River Niger. So that leaves the Igbo-Yoruba angle. It is a big shame that our immediate parents who were stiil alive when the white men came with pen and paper ( ) did not document some of these histories.

Don't be surprised at the number of rivers that flow into the Niger. River Kaduna is one of such rivers and the Benue flows all the way to Adamawa and beyond.

A late relative of mine, lived in Ijebu ode in the twenties. Legend has it that when one of his older relatives died in Ijebu, he brought back the corpse on his bicycle. He used to say so himself as well. He was in his 90s when he died about twenty years ago.

Their attackers do not bear gun legally so why should they be expected to conform to the law to protect themselves ?

I know someone who owns two licensed 12 guage shotguns (automatic) and he uses both slugs and cartridges for the shotguns. He also has another emergency one which he conceals in a dugout in his house. In June last year, he had a gun fight with armed robbers which lasted for more than two hours (you need to see the photo of bullet holes to the walls and gate), the police eventually arrived after the robbers had escaped. However, on their way out, they also had a shootout with the vigillante and one of them was gunned down, another was hit and was captured. The 3rd person was also caught the next day in a bush. These were people who were robbing the whole neighbourhood unchallenged. They also shot one of their victims before they met fire for fire. They won't rob no more !

I will advise anyone who wants to remain in the north to get a nice gun ASAP. Someone (haka nai) mentioned that AKs are being sold for 120k in Jos, so it shouldn't be too difficult getting their own peace makers. They are in a war zone and they must act to protect themselves or go down fighting at the very least.

Don't under estimate the importance of River Niger back in the days. Royal Niger company were already sailing up and down the Niger via pontoons. The Niger connects many rivers one way or the other.

Sailing on the Niger would be the easiest route for Zik's parents. Fulani herdsmen still walk from far north to the south so I am sure other people also walked great distances to ply their trades, with some of them eventually settling in far away lands.

Beaf:
I am really angry at those Igbo's who have been spitting on their own and having a silly argument from page 1, maybe its not my business, but I have to say it.

Just leave them to continue fooling themselves, when jungle mature dem go loss for bush. Who no know, no go know !

I wonder why anyone would attack frosbel for posting news on this forum. He posted the links as well so it beats me why people are attacking the news bearer.

The fact is that innocent Ndi Igbo were attacked and killed in the north as they were having their towns meeting in peace.

These attacks have been premeditated and targeted towards Ndi Igbo and anybody who does not agree needs to befriend an ostrich for "burial of heads in sand partnership".

I hate to enter into tribal arguments but enough is enough. A pattern is developing here and that pattern has become a trend. Kaduna, Suleja and now this. Ndi Igbo are less than 30% of the population in Nigeria, so why should they bear the brunt of these attacks ?

This is reminiscent of 1966 and I blame those who have refused to learn from history. Ndi Igbo  in the north should form bands to defend themselves and return fire for stone. If they are unable to form militias in the north, they should return home and stop making us handicapped.

Following the counter coup in 1966, northerners; cheered on by danjuma, Katsina and murttala smassacred Igbo civilians and a lot of Nigerians have continued to justify the genocide on the bases that Nzeogwu slaughtered other people in his coup.

Just like the northerners are leaving the east today with no threat to their lives, Ojukwu guaranteed the safe passage of northerners from the east after the first wave of massacre of easterners. As soon as these people got home, they launched the most ferocious manhunt and slaughter of the easterners that were still in the north.  Ndi Igbo will not heed to history and return or fortify now that northerners are returning to the north without any threats to their lives in the east.

Ukpara okpoko gburu, nti chiri ya !

Nigeria is now in a state of war and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fools paradise. Jonathan should bring the full might of the armed forces on any region trying to cause anarchy. If it is good for Odi, it is also good for Gombe, Kaduna, Bauchi and Bornu. Northerners are tired of sharing the country with the rest of us and this country MUST BE SPLIT BY ALL MEANS POSSIBLE.

As of today, Nigeria has ceased to be as a nation as far as I am concerned. It is a shame that it has come to this. Okwua di omimi, onye obula kwadoba.

For those who may want to join issues with me; rest assured that I will not respond to any rubbish you write, so you may as well forget it.

FACE

Please contact me when you can at ezendigbo_nl@hushmail.com
Your performance here is simply brilliant. I need smart folks in my "cabinet".

If you can, please register at hushmail, and use the email to contact me.
Anyi ga enwe ihu na ihu otu ubochi.

Onlytruth, I meela. A ga m edere gi n'oge n'adighi anya. Jisie ike.

I did not say that crude oil produces 100% PMS. My first degree was in Industrial chemistry, so I should know better. This is what I said :

The price cost of distilling crude oil is inclusive of the wages of all those working at NNPC and subsidiaries + all recurrent expenditure and that price cost is borne by the distillates including PMS.

That cost is known as the bill of materials (BOM) and is reflected in the final cost or pump price of PMS

paragonpro:
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Your projected price of petrol is wrong, please do google products produced by a barrel of oil. You will see that a barrel of oil will at best give you only 20% petrol and not 100% as given by you. So at $100 per barrel, the price of petrol should be between N140 - N160 assuming all other products and bye products see also sold. If the price of crude jumps to $110, then the price of petrol should be between N160- N180. And even at that the refinery would only be making marginal profit.

Thank you for strengthening my position. You agree that it would cost way more than N65 to deliver PMS at the pumps, which means that subsidy is the only way to achieve that, which also means shutting the door in front of investors who would refuse to invest in a loss making venture.

paragonpro:
Face, please explain how the increase in the domestic price of petrol will develop the oil industry.

I hope you keep in mind the argument for SAP and liberalization, that allowing the exchange rate and thus prices of imported goods to market forces will develop local industries.

Today the CBN still control exchange rate and local industries going under.

We are talking of expansion of investments and reinvestments. Do you know why Chinese goods are cheaper that Nigerian made goods? It’s because they are more efficient in the utilisation of resources because of better technology and efficient energy system. It will surprise you to know that labour costs more in China than in Nigeria.

The arguments for SAP and liberalisation do not apply on this occasion. It is to the detriment of developing countries or any country at all to allow their currency to take a lonely stroll in the international market. Ask Greece and they will let you know what Euro did to them. The U.S.A have been asking China to let go of the leash on their currency and China have refused for a good reason. Even the greenback is not roaming wild without a leash, so I will not use SAP arguments in any way.

The govt have an energy blueprint and have embarked on it with the current licenses granted to investors. Soon you will see a fully deregulated energy sector and we will head towards energy efficiency, which benefit the system, creating more jobs and reducing wastage. This means that in the future, it would be cheaper to have made in Nigeria goods than China made goods. The fallout would be more investors coming to Nigeria because of guaranteed energy supply.

Back to your question; even if all the refineries were firing on all cylinders, it would still cost a lot more than N65 to produce PMS as long as NNPC are buying at internal rates as they do at the moment. You cannot have a two tier rate for crude oil pricing as that would send us back to square one.

The price of distilling crude oil is inclusive of the wages of all those working at NNPC and subsidiaries + all recurrent expenditure and that price is borne by the distillates including PMS.

In my estimate it would cost NNPC between N90 and N120 to produce PMS, while it would cost an investor with less overhead cost between N75 and N110 to produce the same PMS. If the government steps in and guarantees the price of PMS at N65, it means that any private investor would operate at a loss and nobody can make such investment.

The production of petrol also leaves some heavy oils which are used in other sectors. This means that private investors would be able to extend their operations to petrochemical productions and plastic and petrochemical, fertilizer plants are able to obtain their feed stock in Nigeria, which means that more allied industries will spring up and existing ones will be able to expand their operations and reach outside our shores for more market. JOBS WOULD BE CREATED IN THE PROCESS !

The gains of deregulation far outweigh any initial set backs.

Everyone has a right to peaceful demonstration. Property owners also have a right to enjoy their properties without fear of losing them to violent protests. Everyone also has a right to stay at home jeje and not join a protest.

Internet warlords should get off their keyboards and hit the streets if they desire a protest.

I feel sorry for the young man that died in Ilorin, he also had a right to express his feelings in a peaceful way.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with the government and the economic team for the removal of this subsidy. I do not like the fact that they did not stick to a date, rather than go from Jan to April and back to Jan, but that is a mistake that I can overlook in the scheme of things.

I understand why the man on the street is not happy about this; he thinks that government is taxing him some more and does not realize that the government has been giving him fish and not showing him the way to a river.

FG has been paying for people not to have jobs and GEJ has taken a bold step to stop the payments so that people could have jobs.

Fuel subsidy led to stunted growth in the oil sector and the removal of the subsidy creates an opportunity for investors to come in and create the jobs that people need.

I salute the govt for this bullish move and I hope that there is more guts where that came from.

BE PREPARED TO BREAK EGGS IF YOU MUST EAT FRIED EGGS.

FACE.

Gbawe:
keep watching buddy. We will see who has overestimated their touted strenght within a Nigeria where the stomach, and not enduring principles, is king today. Boko Haram has been butchering Nigerians from all walks of life so far. What has been the reaction of those who vacuously make noise about their 'powermen' strenght on the net? Where was the immediate burning of Mosques after the Christmas attack to indicate a readiness for t.i.t-for-tat and we-wont-take-it-lying-down people like you tout?

The killing of innocent people is now regarded as a show of strength and encouraged as a legitimate bait for Bosom for tat.

He goes on to taunt and mock those who shuddered and expressed their anger at the outrages of boko haram, as people who "vacuously" make noise on the net.
When did boko harams horrors become a thing to savour? When did broken lives and families, dead babies and their splintered mothers become objects for political glee?

Beaf, the response you gave to that is apt and if I were you, that would be the end of discussion with a person with such mindset.

GEJ and his administration may very well have done themselves in and if care is not taken, the country will be destroyed in the next few days, at which time, the Nigerian masses or the said owners of Nigeria will get rid of GEJ and his administration.

What an incompetent government!! How can they time the removal of fuel subsidy in this manner? The whole action defies logic. 

It is obvious that fuel subsidy benefits the rich and not the poor.

Ndu_Chucks, I thought you also wanted the removal of subsidy; what has changed your mind or did you only want it as a catalyst to other things ? FYI, nothing will happen and I endorse the removal although I don't like the fact that they were not straight forward with the removal date.

This is a big shame and I have tried to avoid looking at this topic to no avail. Very disgusting and wicked set of people. The big stick must come down heavily thus:

1. The head of the nearest police post in the area must be detained and prosecuted.

2. The traditional ruler of the area should be stripped of his title and detained for interrogation. If he is found to be involved one way or the other, he must be prosecuted, sent to jail and his assets taken away.

3. Every man and woman of knife wielding age in that community must be detained and interrogated.

4. All lands in that area must be seized by the government and people must obtain permission from the government to even cough near any fallow land.

5. The state government should as a matter of urgency ; start relocating the whole community from that area and scatter them all around the state and forever banish them from returning and the govt should use their ancestral homes for farm land. They do not deserve to have any ancestral homes and I am sure their ancestors would not want to be anywhere near them.(thank God for land use acts, the govt has such powers)

6. As an interim measure before the above, a state of emergency should be declared in that area.

I stand very solidly behind the govt and the economic team on subsidy removal. My only disappointment is that they should have stuck to a date rather than go from 1st Jan- 1st April - 1st Jan. That was not a straightforward act regardless of the reasons they give.

Apart from the fact that a cabal have grossly abused the subsidy regime by round tripping, if they were to become upright today, we might save some money from no round tripping but will continue to lack growth where it counts.

The oil sector should be 1000 times more developed by now, but no investor would put his money down in a sector where the government ensures that market price of a product remains below production cost. The alternative is to have a 2-tier price for crude oil for local use and export, but that would be suicidal and would only create another SFEM a la Abacha .

I agree that all the TAMs at the refineries have been shoddy because of sabotage caused by beneficiaries of fictitious figures. I also agree that those involved in any shady deals should be prosecuted. However, the problem needs to be addressed from the root while treating the offshoots at the same time. FUEL SUBSIDY IS THE ROOT !

The refineries are not working at 100% capacity and I will give the government the benefits of doubt when they say that they are working towards achieving optimum functionality of the refineries. Even if they were fully operational, a fundamental issue remains; they still buy crude at international rates, so what gives? In my opinion, the cheapest we can buy petrol after buying crude oil at internal rates would be circa N90 – N120.

Now NNPC needs to be self-financing as they have all the resources to achieve that. The calculation of the BOM of the cost of petrol should reflect every item ranging from the cost of pencil in NNPC office in Abuja to fractionating columns at the refineries.

My point is that fully functional refineries will not eliminate subsidy at selling price of N65, which means that we will continue to have stunted growth in a sector with expendable resources and creating zero added value to the sector.

I do understand the scepticism of the average Nigerian with regards to judicious use of any money accruing from subsidy removal, but you cannot refuse to build a house just because you think that your builder might use your blocks for his own house. A smart person will continue with the building while keeping the builder in check or use another builder altogether, but the house must be built.

All our neighbours like Cameroon, Ghana and Benin pay more for petrol than us and they haven’t died.

The government is making an effort to tackle an issue head-on and the least we could do is to support the government. I also like to get cheap petrol but I must think in terms of long-term outcome.

I salute Jonathan, Iweala,Sanusi,Madueke and the economic team for this brave act and I hope that they don’t let us down.

ndu_chucks:
Yoruba people talk say, "abo oro ni amba omo oluwabi soro, toba de inu e, a di odindi" (na half and half we dey take talk to smart person, when di talk enter him head e go become whole).

You know the obvious answers to your questions, why are you trying to set a trap for me? I do believe that Jamaicans from the UK should have led the protests.
BTW, Happy New Year to you in advance. You are one of the most level headed posters in this section, I appreciate the fact that you have significantly toned down your misinformation campaign of old.

Dan iska . I now understand why Jamos now need visa to enter Uk.

I am not saying that you are friends with boko haram, but just incase you know them, could you ask them to stop killing innocent Jamaicans ?

Happy new year to you too.