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Only incorrigible and worthless dust-for-brain heads keep arguing about things they know nothing about. Abia is my home state and I know where Amaokwe estate is located and I am not going to do any manliness measurements with you or to prove anything to you.

My primary concern is how my home state and adopted states progress, so I have got nothing to prove to anyone, but can share with those who are genuinely interested and you do not fit that bill. This is where I end this chat with you; just rest assured that I have wasted valuable time on you.

Eko Ile:
Your picture looks bogus too,

Anyways, many of these estates are for the elites and government officials and never for civil servants, these are just business schemes designed to line pockets.




http://dailytimes.com.ng/article/abia-workers-lament-lack-affordable-housing

I take it that you are impressed by the picture but do not believe of its existence. It doesn't matter what you think, as I am not here to PR for Orji like you do for Fashola. As a matter of fact, I think that Orji should be flogged in turns by all Abians, but will not deny some of his meagre/unimpressive achievements. The question is ; are you able to accept any level criticism on Lagos and Fashola ?  That's the difference between us and I hope we keep to our different levels.

No worries tho, I accept that some Eko Iles and Chinos happen along from time to time with bitterness.

spyder880:
^^^ sorry friend, let me explain further,

By chalking blocks, I mean the cement qty that will be needed to lay the blocks on top of each other when building, like raising walls. It is the qty of cement needed to mix with sand and water to get motar and then use same mixture to chalk the blocks, that is on one side and if we are talking about that one, I still think it will take only 20-25 bags to chalk 3000 blocks as he mentioned.

The other side of the coin is making fresh blocks, in this one, you buy cement, sand and water with the intention of producing blocks, and if this is the intent of the question, it will take many more bags of cement to make 3000 blocks, I answered to the former when the question was asked.

Hmm Spyder, some of us are going to bag PHD ( I was happy with only diploma ) by the time we graduate from your school ooo. I hope say you no go introduce tuition fees before our set graduate.

Excellent, keep it up.

thejurist:
WHY WOULD PEOPLE POST FAKE PICTURES HERE TO DAMAGE THE IMAGE OF THE STATE, THE ORIGINAL WRITE UP STATED THAT " ABIA TO BUILD" NOT BUILT. THESE PICTURES I RECKON WERE GENERATED IN BAD SPIRIT. THE GOVERNOR AND THE HIS GOVERNMENT HAS MADE SOME WONDERFUL PLEDGE TO BUILD LOW COST HOUSES AND I FEEL IT NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THIS POLICY WHILE WE BECKON ON THEM TO DELIVER.

I agree with the above, although I am still skeptical about Orji, especially with his disgraceful performance in Aba, the engine room of Abia. He hasn't done badly in Umuahia and some of his programmes for Abia are laudable if he could deliver.

Who are Hermes Juno Consortium ? The answer is a key to his seriousness.

Eventhough, 8500 housing unit is a good idea, I am not very keen on the planning and execution. We need to look into the future in any project we embark on. I mean that we need to start conserving our lands now, in order to save space in the future.

Individuals could build on large expance of land, but our govt should maximise the use of lands they grab from people by building multi occupancy buildings with communal facilities (parks and play grounds) for housing estates. The same applies to other eastern states, because the truth is that we would soon run out of land if we insist on "one man one land and air space" planning.

The picture below is one of the housing estate constructions going on in Umuahia.

thejurist, do you know anything about Hermes Juno Consortium ? I think it is a money conduit but I would be glad to be told otherwise. Nothing to do with the topic but Abia state in general.

spyder880:
^^ 20 - 25 bags

Spyder, I thought you said that a bag of cement would give about 35 9-inch hollow blocks, so I am guessing that you would need just under 90 bags for 3000 blocks not so ?

Excellent stuff Spyder. Make you know say a lot of us are silent watchers and have saved some cash from tips from you, Brabus and co. Good job, keep it up.

Dawgpound:
In the 1960s over 80,000 Easterners and Mid-westerners (Igbos, Efiks, Ijo) were slaughtered across Northern and parts of Western Nigeria. Pregnant women had their womb cut open. Old men and women were forced into tanks and blown up. Many fled back to the East.

Biafran war ensued after that and 3 million more were either massacred or starved to death by the soldiers representing the Federal Government of Nigeria. The injustice continued with the Federal government's sponsored mass robbery of Easterners leaving them with only 20 pounds. In all essence the Federal Government wanted to further kill them off and yes many died of hunger or committed suicide.

During that war over 2000 Igbos were murdered in Asaba.

Hundreds more were slaughtered in other parts of the Mid-west.
In the 90s the Ogoni in particular were massacred in their thousands by the army and many fled as refugees to the US and other countries. Ken-Saro Wiwa the leader of the peaceful movement against oil exploration and environmental destruction of Ogoni land and 3 others were killed.

During OBJ's regime 200 Ijaw civilians were massacred in Odi.

Why haven't we made a concrete effort as a people to hunt down these criminals and have them charged and prosecuted? Why haven't we even tried to take matters in our own hands and seek justice for our people?

I believe that its our responsibility as a people to say to those who have caused us so much harm and pain and to the world that enough is enough. If these criminals grow old, die and get away without facing justice for their crimes we risk creating a society where more people will be emboldened to commit similar crimes.

Its our moral responsibility to seek justice for our dead.

You cannot hunt down anybody as long as people play the ostrich. People from a particular section derive pleasure in gloating about the defeat of Biafra and the starvation and massacre of innocent Biafran children. Those people do not share your views about any wrong doing.

More civilians died in the war than the fighting units due to deliberate targeting of civilian areas. My mum escaped death more than twice when our market square was bombed several times. My kindred would have be wiped out if not for God's grace as He did not allow the bomb that was dropped in our compound to explode. My dad was in Aba general hospital when it was bombed and many were killed. More sordid tales abound.

People think that they can gloat and laugh at our misfortune, but "although young men throw stones at frogs in sports, the frogs do not die in sports, but in earnest". The gloating will only serve to keep the war wounds fresh and bleeding.

I watched the remembrance day service (UK) and I felt huge pride and big emotions for the fallen. The fact that some people ask us to wish away the war as if it never happened shows that we have different values for the life and dignity of man.

The wounds begin to heal when Nigeria look at fallen Biafra in the face and say:

" we thought it was best to bring us together as a country and we had to fight to do so. However, we were wrong to target innocent civilians to unite the country. We are sorry for the war crimes against you and shouldn't have robbed you of your possessions after the war"

Those that died will forever remain our "Glorious Dead". It is our duty to remember them and to continue to pass down the war stories from generation to generation until they are recognised and honoured.

Maybe some people should go and find out what a missile is. A minor knowledge of ballistics and explosive projectiles would give them an idea.

A missile could be guided or ballistic and nobody ever said that ogbunigwe was a "guided" missile.

At that time in Markudi, the town was essentially made up of Igbos because the Tivs were predominately farmers. Lt. Col. Adeniran gave us  non-natives a platoon of soldiers that escorted us from Markudi to Lafia, then Suleija and to Jebba.

At Jebba, it was a terrible and horrible experience at the River Niger Bridge. People were asked to identify themselves. When I told them I was a Benin man, an army sergeant from Zuru who had lived in Benin came and spoke to me in Benin language

"It was a horrible experience at the Niger bridge, People were asked to identify themselves".

His life was saved at the hands of Nigerian Army because he was able to speak Bini and prove tha he was not Igbo.

The unspoken bit was that "horrible things" (cold blooded murder by the Nigerian army as confirmed by Igbo returnees) were done to those who could not prove their non-Igboness.

The Lt Col knew he was sending them to their graves, otherwise, he would have sent them southwards towards Enugu. Jesus was also kissed by Judas !

On the boundary adjustment, how were they able to determine that a portion of the oil lands in Imo was in Rivers when there was no physical/natural boundary to establish a demarcation ? How did he decide that the same community (Egbema) should be split between two states because of the need to let Rivers state have some of the oil revenue from the oil wells in the community?  

The same thing happened to Abia state where the adjusted boundary went deep into Abia state (past Imo river boundary)  to cede oil to Rivers state. Abia has since recovered more than 60 oil wells from Rivers, but the bulk of the revenue still goes to Rivers.

Relax101:
How is Giwa an hausa word?

Giwa is Hausa word for elephant

Kedu ihe kpatara na ufodu agaghi a hapu ikwutosi ndi ozo , ebe ha na ama aka mgbe obula ? Kedu ihe unu n'azo mgbe nile ? Omenala di iche iche, n'ese kwa okwu. O ya mere omenala ndi nile jiri diri be ha. Onye obula kwado omenala ha , ma kwanyekwara omenala ndi ozo ugwu. Gee egwu Pericoma gbasara omenala:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJPTBcJneMY

Nde ofe anyi na ashi na ugwu bu nkwayi nkwayi. Onye shi na nke we ka mma, o gaghariala ofe obula ga hu ife nde odo na eme na nga we ? I gaghi ino na uhu mata ife n'eme na ama. Ndughu oke nde okeyi shi na akpa agwa mana umirima ?

I can't believe I got caught in a web arguing with a grown up with a child's mentality, who thinks that empty boasts make a man.  You really think that you are more concerned about Igbo unity and probably more Igbo than others. O dikwa ihe m na agaghi inu na naira land ?

I would have advised you to back up your talks with some good walks, but you don't even talk a good game, so how can you walk it ?

I am fair minded and I never judge groups and that is why you don't see me engaging in ethnocentric mud slinging. I only defend my own from your type, when I feel like it, but I don't let your type drag me down to their level. You can talk all the talk, but when jungle mature, we go know who be who.

Only people with mob animal instincts would blame the actions of a few on a whole group. I asked you to juxtapose the notion of many Nigerians from other ethnic groups regarding 1966 coup with your position on Orji/Abians and you failed to tell the difference.

Obviously, you thrive on stereotypes so this is my last chat with you. Goodluck.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: FACE
If you truly believe that this action will not affect all Abians, then your naivety knows no bounds. You keep referring to my point on this as "childish", and I keep laughing because even some kids have historically led oldest men and gave them great insights into the realities of life. Some of the leaders of the most powerful countries in the world today are not the oldest. So I can understand if you are unable to read the tealeaves and "know whats up". If you are hurt by my haranguing of Abia state, you know the way to Umuahia. Don't blame the wrong guy. If Abia state is not in SE, I would not give a damn. That is why you've never seen me trying to convince people who deny being Igbo otherwise. If there is only Anambra, or even my family alone as Igbo, I would happily take it. I want to  be able to take pride in my tribe as a smart group. You say you are against it, and then you come here to make a couple of posts, go home and open a bottle of beer, and chuckle.  
I repeat,  no single Igbo group gains more from Igbo unity. We all gain.
And anybody or group of Igbo (Abia state in this instance) that undermine it in any way are foools.  
T.A. Orji alone is NOT Abia state. He has people around him. Where are they all?

The last time I checked the history (or distortion of it) affects ALL Igbos.

Just like you would like your own history of distortion to affect all Abians. An honest man knows that individuals are to be blamed for their actions not groups.

Some rants like:

I have always warned that no Igbo group benefits more from Igbo unity. EVERY Igbo gains from it. I may feel strongly about it because I know it is avoidable this time. It doesn't mean it hurt me more. It probably would at the end hurt Abians more.

are very childish and without substance, so take your threat elsewhere.

Abia has failed Ndigbo terribly. And when the "ufu na ebu okuko" comes to ra-pe Ndigbo, we will remember that Abia contributed handsomely to our weakness as a group.

Another childish and empty threat. Learn to lay your blames at the right door steps. When the chips are down, we will know what's up.

For all reasonable people here, What Orji did was wrong and without human face and I think that the victims should take Abia govt to court for violating their rights to work in any part of the federation. However, only a dumb person would shift the blame to FACE, his family and other Abians.

Chinenye said that he does not support Orji and some people are busy arguing with him as if they have mind reading abilities.

Someone made bold to call Abians fools and I objected, he came back and called all Abians FOOLS and feels cool about it. He thinks that all Abians are scheming to treat non Abians unfairly, even when one person (Orji) is responsible for the unfair treatment.

All well and good, what is good for the goose is also good for the gander, so I make bold to say that if all non Abian Ndi Igbo do not condemn the blanket bad mouthing of innocent Abians for the actions of Orji, let no one complain when other Nigerians assert that 1966 coup was an Igbo coup aimed at Igbo domination.

Onlytruth, going forward, you no longer have any moral grounds to dispute that 1966 coup was not carried out by Igbo with the aim of Igbo domination or to argue that the slaughter that followed was not caused by the victims. Lie on the bed you have made.


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Onlytruth, some us have already shown our disgust at Orji and I think it is unfair that you keep referring to Abians rather than Orji. I will say it again that Orji is acting like a gangstar, minimising our potentials in Abia and exposing innocent Abians to unnecessary hostility.

Keep throwing wild punches and hoping to connect. You talk of earliest recorded grouping. Grouping and recording by whom and when ? 3000 years ago ? 300 years ago ? Abagworo years ago ?

Even the facebook page you copied as proof of your knowledge of oldest groups tells you about the origin of many Ohuhu clans other than the present location and you want to tell who that Ohuhu is one of the old clans of the location known as Umuahia ?

You talk about various Igbo clans and how you have interviewed everyone ; Okeke gara army kedu boot ya ?

There is hardly any Igbo dialect that I will not understand, because I have been around and interacted with people. I can comfortably claim Enugu, Abia and Imo as my states and I do claim them as a matter of fact.

I am more interested in languages than you can imagine. I understand Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba and French. Although I stayed in Lagos for a while, I started speaking Yoruba all the way from Kaduna by association with speakers, so don't try to act like you know more than you do when all you do is speculate.

I am done with this topic and you can continue to talk about things you CLEARLY do not know. More google and facebook to your elbow !

Abagworo:
You are a funny guy.So Abagworo wrote Ohuhu history on Ohuhu facebook page.I did not assert any authority to history as you claim.You only seem to know little about your little Ibeku.For a guy who does not know his next door neighbour "Ohuhu" I will not regard you as being cultural.

We are talking about the earliest recorded grouping of Igbos.Ngwa/Ohuhu were grouped together even with Asa,Ndoki and Ezilihite admist them.Oratta/Ikwerre were grouped together even with Ohaji,Egbema and Etche admist them.Isuama was grouped together even with the Oru and Orsu admist them.

I have gone as far as Igbanke,Ezza and Afikpo just to learn how divergent the Igbo spoken those places are.I have interviewed Ogba,Ngwa,Ikwerre,Aboh,Ezza,Ehugbo,Igbanke,Oratta(Owerri),Oguta,Mgbidi and Okija elders on history.Try and do that.

Abagworo,

My root is Ibeku and trust me, I know a lot about Ibeku and our neighbours and I don't need to rely on facebook or google other people's speculations. Ibeku is the biggest and probably the oldest clan in Umuahia and we do not have any history of coming from anywhere, other than interclan movements and ife obi (relocation of settlements)

My kindred, for example, have been in our current location for at least 400 years. It is an educated guess based on who begat who. We still go to the old settlement (1 Mile away) for Ekpe and iriji and in addition to our name, our own settlement is still referred to as "Obu ofuo" (new settlement) even though it is at least 400 years old.

Now, my kindred is only a hamlet of many that make up Ibeku. My clan is one of seven clans that make up Ibeku. Breaking down my Ibeku pedigree, you need to count between 5 and 7 steps (depending on how you count) before you get to the top of the tree (Ibeku).

I believe that we have been there for at least 5000 years if not forever. Even the ohuhu facebook page you posted did not make such a bold claim as you did with regards to Ibeku and Ikwuano. You guys should stop making bold claims and trying to come up with crap.

Abagworo:
Umuahia.Not all Umuahia though.Some parts of Umuahia like Ubakala fall into the Ezilihite group.You know Ikwuano,Ibeku and Ohuhu proper were grouped as Ohuhu.

You guys are funny and it beats me where you all get these stuff from.

He also said " enop is enop" to PENGASIN. Naira was not really N22 to $1 as their was a two tier FEM. Official rate being N22 while parallel rate was 44. The bespectacled one and his cohorts engaged in round tripping of naira, a nice racket for themselves.

He jailed many for corruption and set up Failed bank tribunal, but stashed away more that $6 billion in Swiz account alone.

He was a tyrant, alcoholic, se x maniac and met his waterloo in the bos som of foreign pros.titutes.

Is he still your hero ?

ChinenyeN:
Ezeagu asked me a specific question, of what I mean by Ohnuhnu. So I answered, saying "Ohnuhnu Mbaise" to make a distinction from Ohuhu Umuahia. That's what that "Ohnuhnu Mbaise" meant. Are you interpreting it to mean something else?
One word, or town or community I hear regarding that area is Ekwerazu or so, I believe.

As long as you know that there is no area or group known as Ohnuhnu in Mbaise, that's ok. Therefore, I wonder what you were aiming at when you asked someone what they knew about Ohnuhnu to which Ezeagu asked you where Ohnuhnu was.

Ekwereazu is not "Isoma", so where is this Isoma ? I hope you are not referring to the Isoma term that Owere Nchi-Ise clan use for referring to non- Owere clans (Arugo's decendants), especially those sorrounding clans they call Owerri Isoma ?

ChinenyeN:
I never said nor implied anything stretching from "Ezilihite to Ahiara". Please don't write responses to things I never said.
The northern part of Mbaise, in particular, from what I'm told, and some western border communities.

There is no such thing as Ohunhun Mbaise, period. You were also told wrong about Isoma or maybe you heard wrong ?

Where is northern Mbaise ?

ChinenyeN:
FACE, I'm already familiar with the tradition. It's the first thing every Ngwa learns when learning about their identity.

Then you should know that there is no such thing as Ohunhun Mbaise stretching from "Ezilihite to Ahiara" .

ChinenyeN:
Ezilihite, and some surrounding communities extending into Ahiara, toward the Isoma area.

Where is this Isoma area ?

ChinenyeN:
Ezilihite, and some surrounding communities extending into Ahiara, toward the Isoma area.

My maternal home is Ezinihite and I will tell you the legend you keep referring to. You call them Ohuhu and they refer to you as Nde Ngwa Nzem.

Their legend, which bears a resemblance to Ngwa legend was that they were on a sojourn and when they got to Imo river western bank, they decided to take a break. While they were there, they decided to roast some yams. As they were roasting their yams, a storm was also building and some people decided to cross the Imo before the storm.

Following the storm, Imo burst it's banks and the crossing path was lost. Thus the travellers found themselves on opposite sides of Imo. "Nde Ngwa Nzem (quick/sharp people) a gafee la" was what those that did  not cross said of those that crossed. "Unu noro huwa ji, ndi Ohuhu ji" was what those that crossed said of those that did not cross.

That is why you refer to those on the western bank of Imo as Ohuhu. My mum's village is one of the last villages before the Imo and their immediate neighbours today are Umunwanwa in Umuahia and I have walked the distance before. Ngwa continued their sojourn to their present location.

ChinenyeN:
Ohnuhnu Mbaise, not Umuahia.

Where is this Ohnuhnu Mbaise ?

Sacking disabled residents from schools because their states of origin are elsewhere and in a desperate bid to save money is the height of discrimination/wickedness caused by penury. Any state that needs to sack 30 disabled students from school in a bid to save money deserves to be made a local government of another state. The students do not have their own individual teachers and facilities, they share with other students and it is very malicious to discriminate them as if nature has not done that already.

The fed allocations that states receive are meant for the welfare of every resident in the states regardless of their states of origin. Part of that allocation is meant for education and no state has the rights to deny any resident the opportunity to have some education sponsored from the fed account.

Nigeria constitution recognises the rights of all Nigerians to live, school and work in any part of Nigeria that they choose. If any state does not like the constitution as it is, they should take it up with NASS through their representatives and not act like poor gangstars.

Denial of equal opportunity is not limited to Ekiti state; it is a national problem and is encouraged by the constitution to a large degree, which makes it very necessary to revisit the constitution and agree to live together or go our separate ways.

How much money will Ekiti state save by ejecting 30 disabled people from schools in Ekiti ? If they think that they need to save their resources by ejecting 30 helpless people who share facilities with others, then the state is in trouble and should be merged with another state.

If the story is true, then there is no difference between the governor and Abia state governor and both should be tied to a stake and flogged real hard.

I see that many states are doing things that discriminate other people in their states and I can only see one result. The sooner everyone heads to a table to discuss the future of Nigeria, the better for everyone.

Soso_Eziokwu, A huru m na onye nzuzu ahu emee la ka I kanye onwe gi mma na ahu. Hapu ya ka o na ezuzu, I ma na ihere anaghi eme onye ara. Anaghi m aghota ka onye si na obu onye be anyi ga esi na ebuso ndi be anyi agha mgbe obula.

If you were an investor and you calculate that buying crude oil at international rate and refining would cost you about N70 per litre of petrol, would you still invest your money when there is someone out there subsidizing the cost of importing the same product and making sure that selling price remained at N65 or less ?

It is not by accident that we do not have private refineries in Nigeria. If we must have fuel subsidy, we must also have guaranteed crude oil subsidy for private investors to ensure growth in oil sector.

The refineries are not working at full capacity because of the round tripping and racketeering that goes on with the "subsidy". Remove the subsidy now !

Just write a formal letter addressed to Nigeria High Commission or Embassy informing them that you have invited your friend to Nigeria and would be providing accommodation and catering for him during his stay in Nigeria.

If the invite is for an occasion like wedding,baptism etc, you may wish to state that in the letter. You should also provide evidence that you are qualified to invite anyone to Nigeria. Certified photocopy of your Nigerian Passport or other passport with your Nigerian residence permit should suffice.

Keep the letter very short, simple and straight to the point. The main body of the letter should reflect your relationship with the person invited.

Your friend should include those documents alongside other documents required by the embassy in his application for visa and there shouldn't be a problem.

I hope this helps.