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you shall surely die if you don't tithe.

you will be cursed. you will die. you will die.
threats threats threats.

if you want to know that tithing is wrong you need to read this post.

https://www.nairaland.com/4215508/tithing-not-eternal-principle

I had to bring this up again.

cooljude:
Lol I am not a Muslim. I just realised that I would be wasting my time arguing things about religion with indoctrinated persons.

I did catechism and I know what I am saying. The church view of trinity is that nobody can comprehend it and that's why it's a mystery (St Thomas Aquinas, St Augustine etc). That is the same reason most Jews would tell you Christianity is very far from Judaism because it recognises a fellow Jew as God.

so you believe what you don't understand LOL

guy hahahaha. and you swallowed it Hook line and sinker.

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Oga Autosbay what of national ID card print out, the one accepted by bank

mrpresident1 I think you should edit your post to 2018
that's why you are being corrected and made fun of.

OP you are right, I'll also love you to see what I wrote about tithing in this link too.

https://www.nairaland.com/4215508/tithing-not-eternal-principle

easymancfc:
The Virgin Birth was necessary because Jesus was the Son of God begotten of the Father (cf John 1:14) and he is God himself.. So by that Jesus cannot directly be a Son of a man, since he already has a Father, God...
In essence Jesus cannot both be the Son of God and the direct descendant of a man.. A MAN CANNOT HAVE TWO FATHERS..
Secondly since Jesus is God (john 1:1-2, 20:28).. God cannot have a human Father because then God will be subject to man, because the Father is the head of the household and Sons are subject to their father.. So having a father according to the flesh would bring God under the dominion of man.. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE..

God can do all things, he can protect someone from sin even if they have a father, and that is exactly what He did... Its called a Miracle and God can do Miracles... God can create someone without sin.. He made the rule.. He can create exceptions..
DON'T PUT HUMAN CONSTRAINTS UPON GOD..

Jesus is not God.

Does the identity of God have to be “a very profound mystery? It did not seem so to Jesus. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus made a clear distinction between him and his Father when he said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3 )

smoy:
exactly, Islam is the only religion for all the prophets.

quran and bible cant be compared at all because the pure words of God is different from that of combination of man mad historian record of events, and for the bible, it suppose to be a book from God but unfortunately is not because the book that God gave Moses and the God gave Jesus are no where to be fund today only what we have is gospel according to Matthew, according to Mark, according to Paul, the question is where is the gospel according to Jesus.

Uthman burned many Qur'ans (I wonder why this doesn't create many riots). Each of the Qur'ans burned were slightly different than his official version. Uthman, not wanting different opinions, then burn all versions he consider "false".

The thing is, how does he know that the version he burned is the false one and the one he keep is the correct one?

This means that drastic changes occurred. After all, "Why were the other copies and fragments ordered to be burnt? " The answer is found in the original statement: "Hudhaifa was afraid of the different recitations of the Qur'an "
Hudhaifa did not want different versions of the Qur'an.

Since all other copies of the Qur’an were ordered to be burned, what was wrong with them? Is the Qur’an pure as believed by modern day Muslims? Since the decision to burn all other Qur’ans was politically motivated, the Qur’an of today reflects the political whims of early Muslim political leaders, not the prophet Muhammad. Questions like this will never be answered. But it is certain that the Qur’an of today is not the original Qur’an recorded only 2 years after Muhammad died.

cooljude:
Who is Jesus and What is the Holy Spirit in christain doctrines

Jesus Christ is the promised Messiah, God's own begotten son.

The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35 )

God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.— Psalm 104:30; 139:7 .

The Bible does not say that the holy Spirit is a person, nor does history.
The Encyclopædia Britannica
states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.

there is nothing like Trinity in the Bible, I know your Muslim self is trying to ask me about Trinity

so you see Our God does his will by his holy spirit unlike your God who tells people (human beings) to do his dirty job for him.

PaChukwudi44:
I await your explanations on the bronze serpent made by moses as well as the carved cherubs in the ark of the covenant

I have no explanation but at least no one worshipped the bronze serpent and the carved cherubs.

no one said prayers to it..... everyday.

smulti:
Never knew statue of Jesus Christ is now regarded as idol
.

Exodus 20:4

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.


Deuteronomy 5:8

'You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

guy unless you do not read your Bible you won't know this things, I'm not a Pentecostal mind you.

the statue of Jesus or Mary is an Idol.
prove to me it's not, I'm waiting.

easymancfc:
There's a fundamental flaw with this argument..
1. You equate being ritually unclean with sin.. being ritually unclean is not sin..
What is Sin, It is breaking God's law, the ten commandments, Evil against God and or neighbour..
Needing to be "purified" after giving birth is not sin..
that is ritual purification.. am sure you won't say that a woman who gave birth is guilty of sin..

according to Jewish custom bearing a children not only a male child makes s woman ritually unclean because of the blood just like menstruation but am sure you won't also say menstruation or giving birth is a sin..
Everything from touching a dead body to menstruating led to ritual impurity, but those things aren’t sins. Christ Himself sat to eat without ritually washing (Luke 11:37-38), and He was pretty explicit in denouncing obsessing over ritual impurity, and conflating it with sin (see, e.g.,
Matthew 15:1-3, 10-20; Luke 11:37-41).

2. The fact that someone obeys a law doesn't make them guilty.. Jesus obeyed many Jewish laws.. he got baptized, he was circumcised to make him part of the covenant God made with Abraham (gen 17:10) that doesn't mean He is not the son of God or that he needed it.. it was just to obey the law..

3. Lastly Leviticus 12 doesn't apply to Mary because Jesus birth was not natural... She just obeyed the law and accepted it . if she did not.. she might be stoned for having a child outside of her husband ..
here's why
Leviticus 12:2 is being translated very loosely here, as it is in many other l English-language Bibles, in saying that the sin offering applies whenever “ a woman conceives , and bears a male child. ” It doesn’t say that. The Hebrew literally says that it applies if “ a woman receives seed, and bears a male child. ”
The Hebrew is clear here:
1. In prophesies about the Virgin Birth, like
Isaiah 7:14, the word used is hareh,
which means “pregnant.”
2. In Leviticus 12:2, that’s not the verb
used. Rather, it’s zara’ , which means “to
sow,” or “to receive seed.” For example,
this is the verb used for sowing
in Genesis 47:23 and Exodus 23:10. In
both Hebrew and English,
In other words, Leviticus 12 only applies to a woman if she’s inseminated. The KJV gets this right, but most translations use the more polite “ conceives. ” Normally, that’s no big deal.
Here, it’s huge, because Mary conceives Jesus, but she was never inseminated .

guy Mary was not perfect, kiss the truth, there is none righteous no not one. infact Mary had so many children after conceiving Jesus.

so she's not that perfect as you Catholics are trying to make her look, I'm a Christian but not a Catholic.

bawsse and anyone else who needs more clarification should check myost on tithing.

great post too

https://www.nairaland.com/4215508/tithing-not-eternal-principle

Statsocial:
The highlight of this Shiloh for me was hearing Bishop Oyedepo's Son preach on the Cost of Diligence and Sacrifice. That message got straight down into my spirit. The guy seems even more worded than his father. The only thing the father has more than he is a wealth of experience. I'm certain that when/if they pass the leadership of the Church to him he would do exceedingly well.

It was also chillling to see so many Africans gathered at one place. The last I saw so much diversity like this was at the TEF programme which held this year. One must commend the living faith missions especially in Ghana and Kenya!
The Attribute of a Living Church is Growth. The Early Church grew by thousands in days. Hence the Church must continue to grow in leaps and bounds. God bless RCCG, LFC, Deeperlife, MFM et al for the great work. These Churches have turned principalities over Africa and even world over. But as Christ tarries I would live to see the day they disciple White, Arab, Hispanic Men and Women.

Looking forward to Redemption camp 2018!

so Oyedepo will hand over the church to his son. is that what you mean? like his son will inherit the father's church.

Jesse01:
I have so many points, Mary is a sinner just like every other human dat walk d earth, jesus was perfect not dat Mary was sinless, but he(Jesus) came in to dis World without d Normal procedure, dat is sex which involved a man and a woman according to Ancient times, u can take dat to d bank.

guy then we are saying the same thing.

I even quoted the Bible to support it.
it's above before your post.

Jesse01:
but d only spirit descend up Jesus human mother lol, so Jesus birth was different frm normal humans, no sex was involved. according to Christians,u get d drill?

even the Muslim believe no sex was involved. so you have no backup here.

why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8 ) after giving birth to Jesus ? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Luke 2 vs 21-24 says


a And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “ a EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”),

24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, “ a A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS.”
this pair of turtle doves was called Sin offering

MARY WAS A SINNER

cooljude:
Islam is a spin-off of Christianity and Judaism as Christianity is a spin-off of Judaism. Zoroastrian preceded Judaism as a monotheist Religion.

Their isn't a need arguing with your view because most religious bigots are narrowed minded who don't have the ability to criticise and analyse their faith.

Religion is man-made and to correct your fallacy, Allah was one of the many pagan GOD in Arabia same as the new Yahweh was once one of the many Pagan GOD.

I have to admit the islam is a better copy of Judaism because of the monotheistic nature of the religion while christaiity is something else because of the concept of Trinity.

where did you find Trinity in the Bible, there's only one God.

maclatunji:
The PDP is a dying party, the only thing happening now is that Yoruba political jobbers in the PDP will feel the need to leave in droves while a few will remain. Either way, the party is set to fall into greater decline. How people can celebrate "controlling" it beats my imagination.

dont underrate anybody, everything is a factor in Elections.

kalvoken:
Ambo, please take it easy. Last time your OGA promised us 3million jobs, but we lost 3 million jobs instead.

we lost six million check your records

And non of this people have been prosecuted by your APC with their shout of fighting corruption.


OP you have been decieved, stop reading fake news.

smoy:
you just repeating yourself.

for the Jesus who all know that has no father but bible gave him 2 contradictory genealogy only two names are in common of this long list (matt 1 and Luke3)
but Matthew gave him Joseph as father the same Matthew say he is child by the holy ghost and at the same time son of God, 3 farther what do you call such child in your local language ? every thing in Christianity is a guess work and confusion no certainty.

your Koran say Jesus was given birth to by a virgin.

Joseph was not his father but people thought he was his father.

thirdly how did God put the baby in Mary's belly did he give her something to swallow?
No, the Christian believe that God spirit went to her and she conceived. That's the explanation.

smoy:
quote the Qur'an verse

Quran 66 vs 2

Quran 40 vs 28



Sahih Bukhari (50:369)

Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.

Quran (3:28)
This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim may appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel friendly.

Emmy1379:
Having gone through comments here, one can deduce that many igbos are too emotional, putting emotions ahead of rational reasoning. I wish them goodluck in their political aspirations

you without emotions let's hear your views