₦airaland Forum

agaugust:
There is battle there and some civilian teenagers who made the cell phone video are walking leisurely on foot in the direction of the so called threat?
Prove they are running away, we see army Toyotas moving in a direction. Prove they were not escorts, medivac, mobile force, blocking force.
Prove they were running away, the video shows NOBODY pursuing them and no sound of gunfire or sign of any threat.
Illiterates in North East Nigeria are smarter than you South Africans who live in a city

How do you know the teenagers didn't runaway afterwards?

The teenagers said your troops were running away with civilians as well.

agaugust:
MONUSCO is NOT the fighting arm of UN in Congo, FIB is, and the records of history shows that for two whole years a Tanzanian army officer was ordering South African army around as your boss. The new MONUSCO general is brought in for elections coming up soon in Congo.
United Nations Policy :
1. War, call Tanzanian army to do military combat job
2. Political elections, call South African army to do Police job
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MONUSCO is the overarching organisation that stabilize and enforce peace in Congo. The head of MONUSCO has it all and is a South African. Then as you claim that he was brought in for the elections, what will happen to him after the elections? Tell us Mr know-it-all.

MONUSCO has to have a boss, elections or not. I see you still haven't made peace with the fact that a South African was made a boss. He will order the whole 20 000 troops including their Generals for over 3 years.

Henry240:
So that's a white dude, can we at least see his face?




Soldiers in their mess.... So?

I know that your country does not have whites but that should never make you blind when you see one. Can't you see the hair of that guy is that of an Afrikaner?

agaugust:
Except that the above propaganda video is a Boko Haram staged drama, those soldiers running up hill are not Nigerian troop,, they have NO helmets NO webbings NO body armour/bullet proof vests !!!! No Nigerian soldier enters into a fire fight or combat without those basic kit.

Then one of the actors who ran uphill is later seen in the same video in the ammo store with other Boko Haram fighters opening ammo boxes !!!

You got scammed by Boko Haram 419 video....Soweto fools cannot think independently
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Haven't you read how your troops have been complaining of inadequate equipment?

[size=15]If you can't differentiate between March 2013 and December 2013, then you are a real ret.ard.[/size]

agaugust:
[s]White boy with Zulu brain = Dullard

Reuters journalists have been inside Bangui reporting every battle live and direct since before the SANDF defeat by Seleka....

"Residents flee Bangui as rebels pause for talks..

Paul-Marin Ngoupana. Reuters | December 28, 2012

BANGUI (Reuters)

- Residents of Central African Republic's riverside capital Bangui fled in overloaded cars and boats on Friday or stockpiled food and water as rebel forces paused at the city gates for ceasefire talks. An insurgency has swept across much of the poverty-stricken but resource-rich former French colony since December 10, posing the biggest threat yet to President Francois Bozize's nearly 10 years in power and threatening a humanitarian crisis."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/bangui

PROVED FACT PROVED : Reuters journalists were there in Bangui, they saw SANDF elite paratroops and special forces running like springbok deer pursued by Seleka boys with AK-47 rifles riding motorcycles

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Off it goes to the bin

agaugust:
[s]Learn to admit the truth !!!

REUTERS Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:56pm EST
France vows immediate action in Central African Republic after battle

BANGUI | BY EMMANUEL BRAUN AND PAUL-MARIN NGOUPANA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

Reuters journalists were on ground inside Bangui reporting the battle, they were in Bangui even before the battle started and they report the battle from the very city of Bangui, from the battlefields, even taking photos !!!



Photographer STAFF
Thursday, December 05, 2013
Seleka soldiers raise their fists while riding in a pick-up truck during fighting in Bangui, Central African Republic, December 5, 2013. REUTERS/Emmanuel Braun

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131205&t=2&i=817805818&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=CBRE9B4130300

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrican-fighting-idUSBRE9B405F20131205

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Off it goes to my rubbish bin. The question is " were South Africa on the mission to fight?" BIG NOOOO. So why should it be judged along the lines of victory or defeat?

Is Nigeria on the mission to fight Boko Haram? Yes.

[size=15]South Africa did not go to fight anyone in CAR and were not on offensive mission. If we initially had intention to fight rebels we would have as well deployed heavy weapons, gunships and fighters. So it is clear that our intention was to train CAR troops and not to fight anyone. We were attacked and we defended ourselves and we were victorious in that. We forced the assailant to throw in the towel and raise the flag. Confirmed by many sources.[/size]

Henry240:
- the battles are not important, we delivered on the war. We delivered in 6 weeks, an area the size of Scotland. That's an amazing military feat unmatched in Africa. We have the best Infantry soldiers in Africa.


- Chad secured their side of the border, operating in border towns of Dikwa and Gambaru-Ngala. Operations amounting to only 7% of the AO. We funded the chadian operations, we also provided air-support to them. You should go back to school to learn what facts are.


- the SANDF is an incompetent force, the CAR proves this. While the Nigeria Army was conducting operations in the North-East, our troops were carrying out operations in Liberia, Sudan, Guinea.


- Bozize fled, mission failed.

There is nothing like the mission failed. Do you mean if US troops can be contracted to train Somalian soldiers by Somalian government and suddenly the coup erupts that would mean a failure. Nope, firstly the US troops would have gone to Somalia to train its troops and not for anything else. If the coup takes its course during the training and the rebels takes over, that responsibility would not be put upon the shoulders of US troops for failing to stop the coup and would not even amount to decide whether it was a victory or defeat.

Henry240:
Credible sources prove me right every time.


We won the war, the battles are completely irrelevant.


Nope...... There's only one battle of bangui, that's the one featuring disorganized, poorly trained and reasourced SANDF S.F who got a beating and fled.


Your SANDF did not complete a single objective:

- CAR federal forces fled

- Bozize fled

So SANDF was not in any war with Seleka rebels, so there was no any measure of win or lose. That was just self defence but the assailant raised the white flag. That's all.

Most of CAR federal forces joined rebels, dummy.

patches689:
Augustus

1. The report is written about how it was intergrated.

2. SAAF General told us about how they were using it

3. SAN Admiral told us about how they were going to use it

4. SANDF publication outlined its use during 2010


You can keep repeating yourself, and I can keep repeating myself.

So, how about for once you admit you were wrong and lets move on shall we??

Please have mercy, AGAUGUST still lives in 2011. He does not want to let go of 2011 while is the year 2016. Many platforms were integrated to link ZA ever since. We are now officially joined the TDL club since 2012. Only few countries on that club.

Seleka rebels raise the white flag.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21923624

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/central-african-republic-president-flees-to-cameroon/2013/03/25/94cb9870-957c-11e2-b6f0-a5150a247b6a_story.html

http://allafrica.com/stories/201303251307.html

Henry240:
By all reliable accounts SANDF special forces were brushed aside, comments Seleka spokesman confirmed to Reuters.


His government fell, and he was in Yaounde. So who were you protecting?


They fled, just like their SANDF trainers...... Training a success!

- SANDF forces defeated

- SANDF forces fled

- CAR government forces provided no resistance

- Bozize absconded to Cameroun

- Government fell

...... That's all the relevant information that's required. An apartheid glory hunter's book won't change the facts.

SANDF mandate was not to protect CAR government from falling. You have failed before you even started with your argument. Our assignment was for training not to stop the coup or else we could have deployed 10 000 troops with heavy weapons if we were tasked to defend CAR from falling in the hands of rebels. You failed


We are yet to receive sources you promised that asserted that South African forces fled. Instead, you are waining on and on like a mad dog.

BH defy Buhari and General Buratai's claim.


https://www.naij.com/693061-tragedy-read-boko-haram-adamawa-yesterday.html

EVarn:
Even with an RCS the size of a dove,the gripen cannot evade a strong radio sweep and tracking system of the JF-17.At a distance of 140km,the JF-17 can effectively lock on the gripen or maneover out of electromagnetic non-visual range before the gripen even realizes its predicament.

Drop this subject because I can see that you are lost. Firstly, tell me what is radar cross section and how important is it for radar detection?

The lower the RCS the harder it is to detect the object at far distances.

Go and learn the basics and come back later for discussion when you are wiser and informed and stop arguing like AGAUGUST who openly said that Gripen is not human and it can't have low RCS it is said to have. Just take the basics. OK my boy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_cross-section

NetBean platforms users for interoperability and SANDF yet again appears to be the only military in Africa to use NetBean platforms. The kind of technology which is far from Nigeria's reach. SANDF always brashes shoulders with superpowers in the field of military technology. We really do not want to be left behind.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NetBeans-based_software

jln115:
Well if you read the report like you read my previous post, then you didn't read the whole report, so i suggest you go read my previous post again and after that read the whole report again!!

And all you did was provide a single page, but thanks to @FighterPilot your own so-called report proved everything we've been saying and disproved everything you've been saying!!

"VI. CONCLUSION

It is the findings of the authors that although the history of TDL’ in South Africa is only approximately eleven years old, the SANDF has managed to establish a very strong base for an indigenous capability in this area.


Although the development of this capability underwent growing pains , it is at a mature enough stage where the initial investment and development efforts in communication infrastructure, platforms development, data model and data transfer protocols has been justified.It is believed that the short term and long term TDL NEC development strategies described in this paper, when employed in a capability life cycle management philosophy, will enable the SANDF to realise a complete TDL capability as illustrated in Figure 1."

FINISHED!!

[size=15]BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! FINITO.


PLEASE BE GENTLE, DONT THROW TOO MUCH PUNCHES ON HIS FACE. YOU WILL MAKE AGAUGUST HOPELESS BECAUSE THE MAN IS ONLY CHERRY PICKING ONLY WHAT HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE SOURCE.[/size]

Henry240:
- Funny how the guy you claim to be protecting ended up in yaounde, in Cameroun. "So who were you protecting?".


- the supposed units you were training provided no resistance whatsoever to the rebels who coincidentally brushed aside SANDF special forces. So much for superior South-African training.

The supposed trainers couldn't even train themselves........ EPIC FAIL.


- COIN.... Something the SANDF clearly knows zero of. Stealing laptops...... That's the zenith of South-African Intelligence capabilities.

South Africans came all the way from South Africa to train you about COIN. The skill which many of them acquired from South African military and security forces. How many of their equals are still in SANDF today who have already passed that skill to us youngsters in the force? You know nothing about what you are talking about.

Do you know that Nigerian Military does not even have a simple C2 interoperability?

jln115:
Nope you showed us only one page of the report bro!! It was @FighterPilot that posted the whole report.

You either haven't read the whole report or 2 you are just to embarrassed to admit that South Africa has a world class TDL system!!

The truth is bitter to swallow. Do you ever expect agaugust to easily admit a defeat. Nope, Nigerian always have this "giant of Africa" attitude of thinking that they can never be outclassed by anything in Africa. But, all Africans from Ghana and everywhere else know where Nigeria stand.

agaugust:
Everything page to page, word for word, I READ THAT LINK ZA RESEARCH REPORT COMPLETELY.

I am the one who first showed the report here not you Southies. All of you were seeing the report for the first time, thanks to me, I educated all of you about the classic failure of SANDF tactical data link that has been downgraded to ordinary INTERCOM....even MTN can do better.

# Link ZA data link = Basic Intercom
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It is not by surprise you would call TDL an ordinary intercom become even intercom has never been long enough in Nigeria to know that is not installed by telecoms. Intercom are equipments which are sold over the counter not TDL.

agaugust:
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Nowhere in the report does it say anything about the data link problems being rectified.

Conclusion of the report is that LInk ZA is a failure, and SANDF has NO tactical data link, your attempt ended up as basic intercom link like Telkom or MTN can give you...

"Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

Source : Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, Pretoria, South Africa

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Who taught you English? When you see that guy you must never let him go until he pays back the money.

The research journal by two South Africas CSIR researchers highlighted challenges with respect to achieving interoperability for Link ZA and they resolved it by bringing up three solutions. Short, Mid and Long term. CSIR is the research council of SA that helps to design, improve and develop technology in the field of defence, security, agriculture, science and technology. Thank you dummy.

SANDF MOST SOPHISTICATED C2 WITH INTEROPERABLE INFRASTRUCTURE. BROUGHT TO YOU BY CSIR.

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dodccrp-test.org/s/2014-020p.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiMwMHhrKLKAhXI7R4KHaPeC3QQFggLMAA&sig2=DpMLzjJCw5NUm0ZBEK9X0g&usg=AFQjCNFczrwb-y4QiwDJzaEGxBxEvTxnsg

SANDF interoperability C2 brought to you by CSIR.


https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dodccrp-test.org/s/2014-020p.pdf

agaugust:
There is NOTHING in your weblink that says Link Za works as a TDL, your weblink is talking about a book on SANDF data link for sale online at $4, there is NO PLACE where it says your data link succeeded.

SANDF is fückïng around with INTERCOM that TELKOM & MTN can provide, ya gat no tactical data link Za, ya gotta basic intercom expanded on your equipment

FINITO, case closed.

Let me kill this fool with a final bullet on the forehead. Here is a complete journal. This researcher is stingy and can't pay and here I share the source


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/bitstream/10204/5355/1/Smith4_2011.pdf

agaugust:
Did you go to school and write exams by yourself or you paid a 'mercenary' to write exams for you to pass ?

Your story is complete grabage, the paragraph was cut off by you, you removed the top part of the paragraph, here is the full paragraph :

"Some of the reasons for interoperability inconsistencies are discussed below :

No interoperability strategy . In the requirements, specifications and development philosophies of SDPP platforms no consideration was given to utilising platforms as an integrated joint capability, thus concluding that no clear strategy or owner was driving crosscutting project capability
requirements for Network Enabled Defence.


Standard evolution . It was assumed that using a single standard would ensure interoperability between platforms. "

" The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. "

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

The paragraph is actually reporting that the reasons that made Link ZA to fail.....the second reason above is Standard Evolution...an assumed idea that was assumed will make all platforms interoperable, but it disappointed and the assumption failed !

Fool, the report says the STANDARD EVOLUTION assumption is the second reason for the failure of Link ZA, then your retaaaarded skull thinks it was a means of success.

You Southie guys CANNOT escape this embarrassment and national disappointment...

Link Za Tactical Data Link FAILED, your SANDF got mere intercom that MTN can provide cheap !!!

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Somebody please allow me to embarrass this Nigerian fool. Look here this source was obtained from the CSIR and is incomplete. What you have sourced is only introduction of the whole research which is basically about how South Africa came to develop its own indigenous TDL.

The question is have you read the whole research project?

Did you know what happened when South African companies applied other approach to achieve interoperability between platforms?

That which you are making a noise about was just a drop in an ocean of what the research will be based upon. We all did not have the full details of the project and how did the story end. But what I know as in today is that South Africa has fully operational tactical data link which shares data between all platfoms and is called LINK ZA.


You can buy yourself the whole book about that same story and stop making wildest assumption of how the research ended. I paste it for your convenience. That is if you are willing to pay for the book. I have already downloaded it. Read it and see where the duo concluded that it was a success.


http://search.informit.com.au/documentSummary;dn=507743762209836;res=IELENG

2012 was the year of South Africa after it struggles for thirteen years to bring about the first indigenous TDL. They finally made it.

Now, here ladies and gentlement, South Africa officially made it and join only few countries in the world who have TDL capabilities.

SOUTH AFRICA FINALLY JOINS THE TDL CLUB.

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http://www.defenceiq.com/defence-technology/articles/south-africa-joins-the-tdl-club/

agaugust:
They all thought it was going to work, but after 2010 mass failure, the 2011 research was conducted on Link ZA true operational performance and final report says in 2011....valid and unchanged till today 2016 :

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

Source: Year 2011 research/report http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

South African military has NO functioning tactical data link. SANDF got intranet/jntercom link

CASE CLOSED
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Can somebody allow me to kill agaugust with his outdated 2011 source.


Now here I quote.



The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by the SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange interoperability between all these platforms. Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms. Some of the reasons for interoperability inconsistencies are discussed below. No interoperability strategy. In the requirements, specifications and development philosophies of SDPP platforms no consideration was given to utilising platforms as an integrated joint capability, thus concluding that no clear strategy or owner was driving crosscutting project capability requirements for Network Enabled Defence. Standard evolution. It was assumed that using a single standard would ensure interoperability between platforms.

I close the quote.

So, did you consider the words highlighted in italics and did you ask yourself what was the outcome when a single standard was used.

The source basically concentrates on how did the SA indigenous TDL came about and what challenges they faced. Remember, the final SDPP acquisitions was in 2010 when the last batch of Gripens were delivered and all platforms were in the process of being converted to become LINK ZA compliant.

Now we are not in 2011 and we have moved faster. Reutech still manufactures LINK ZA equipments for SANDF as at today in 2016. So do you mean Reutech is wasting their time and investment if there was no such thing as LINK ZA? I know that your plan is to neutralise this hype of South Africa possessing TDL technology while our counterpart Nigeria is still lacking behind. However, all your noise making will never take away SA TDL technology that it happen to breakthrough in 2012.

LET CRAZY AGAUGUGST READ THIS INTERVIEW FROM PEOPLE WHO DEVELOPED LINK ZA FURTHER. A TRUE IDIO.T CALLED AGAUGUAT.

NOW IN THIS INTEVIEW THEY SPEAK ABOUT A NEW PLATFORM HOST NETBEANS WHICH WILL INTERACT WITH LINK ZA.

NIGERIA IS STILL FAR FAR BEHIND.


https://dzone.com/articles/sandf-netbeans-platform

[size=30] Please can anyone here teach Agaugust what is tactical data link. Please anyone to give free lessons. The man is lost and does not know what is TDL. I personally have worked with that system during our training in Lohatlha. [/size]

agaugust:
It was a research, and the case has been closed in 2011, a man that died in 2011 won't be alive in 2016....SANDF Link ZA tactical data link died tactically in 2011 and remains in the grave till today 2016 as nothing has changed.

SANDF Link ZA failed data link = basic Inter-com device used in people's offices
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Do you even understand English? The man is not even asserting all the nonsense you are writing here. You are truly demented.


SANDF has TDL, like it or not. Our gripens, hawks, frigates, artillery, Air defence, submarine and vehicles are now all Link ZA compliant and are now a unit. You are coming to us with an outdated trash and parade it as if it was written yesterday. You failed. Go and sleep.

May I remind you that you have no TDL and we have it.


Come with a 2016 source or either tell that man to write about TDL in 2016.

agaugust:
Show us proof from SAAB that the PS/05 mk3 that can track a 0.5m2 at 120km, and show us proof also that SAAF has mk 3 version that did not exist in 1999 when SAAF purchased Gripen jet.

Now show us official proof of those two claims...liar !!
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Agaugust you are not far from being mad my friend.