Tesla Motors is coming to South Africa. I guess our son, Elon Musk is remembering home sweet home.


http://mybroadband.co.za/news/business/150283-tesla-motors-coming-to-south-africa-report.html

lezz:
You dont discredit my source? Then we have no contention. My source detailed the driving away from the sanf that led to the independence of Namibia and the military embarrassment of the South African military. Nelson Mandela travelled to Cuba and acknowledged they owe Cuba alot. Zuma went to Angola and said as much. We're done with this. End of story.

What's your next topic of contention?

I have taken your argument, then read my source.

Both sides proclaimed themselves as winners.

lezz:
Another drooling Zulu with the same social malady as patchesagain. You discredit my source and wants me to take yours? You're silly.

Your sources are stemmed from your classified documents and falsehood told by your aparthied government to hide the truth back home.

Nelson Mandela went to Cuba and told the Cubans "we owe our freedom to you". Fidel Castro dubbed that speech the greatest accolade ever given their army internationally.

When Fidel Castro walked into the South African parliament, he was interrupted 33 times with applauses from the ANC for defeating the south African army.


Zulu, burn in blazes. I have knocked all you Zulus with your petty lies and fictional accounts of that war.

***Let the endless rants of futility begin***

Oh! I have read your source and I don't discredit it but read the latest source and be informed about the facts.

lezz:
I have always maintained Cuban teenage pilots chased the south African pilots out of the skies. Do you always do selective reading, or your infant diet was devoid of basic nutrients that amount to memory loss?

South Africa had US mercenaries and logistics support too.

Russians flew the fighters man, disguising as if they were Cubans. You cannot tell me that Cubans could be so perfect to fly MIG23s in just short space of time.

That is a big lie. SADF never used any US mercenaries apart from militias.

lezz:
Mandela wasn't a politician. In a country where aparthied and political and economic subjugation has existed for over 300, the ANC has been a failure. Don't colour the truth.



FOR 137 days in 1987/88 the internationalist forces of Cuba, fighting alongside the MPLA, engaged the South African Defence Force in Southern Angola and finally drove its troops back into Namibia which was under South African occupation.

At his inauguration Nelson Mandela reserved a bear hug for Fidel Castro and reportedly told him, "We owe this day to you." 

So now you've come to your senses and admit for once that the Cubans contribution in fighting apartheid is just billions more than that of Nigeria.

lezz:
The classified views of the apartheid government and the leadership of its armed forces about Cuito Canavale would make absolutely fascinating reading and will be vital in the future for balanced historical analysis, if there is any space left for that.


You will still entertain us with crafty denials and excuses, seeking to discredit the source and link. But I'll watch you humiliate yourself again. The aparthied government classified many details of that war.

http://granma.cu/ingles/international-i/28marz-13cuitocuanavale.html

Just read this credible source for once and stop your madness.


http://www.historytoday.com/gary-baines/replaying-cuito-cuanavale

lezz:
ANC was founded 1912? What's that to do with anything? If any, it proves your political redundancy. You've been under subjugation for eternity and you only founded a political remedy in 1912? Smh.

You seem a tad honest than most of your little-minded compatriots here- at least, you admit the war ended in a stalemate. Mzilakazi the Zulu says the Russians prevented the SANDF from defeating the Angolans, Patrick, the LETTER boy, says the SANDF was victorious. Jln115 says south Africa withdrawal was as a result of the collapse of the soviet union. Clearly the madness is on you uncoordinated, disharmonious Zulus that lie from both sides of your mkoboti-reeking mouths.

Your military classified the war details for a very long time; they had a lot to hide. You made great concessions only a losing side should concede.

You lost that war.

It shows that Zulus have always throughout history dominated politics. It is by no coincidence that they produced greatest politicians of all time. They have the oldest political party.

We all know that imperialists have oppressed us all from cape to cairo except Ethiopia. Nigeria is no exception.

About the Bushwar, it is correct. The Russians came to the rescue of Angola. Without Russia's intervention nobody would have stopped SA not even Castro. Russia helped to supply fighters (MIG23s)and other equipments to Cubans and Angolan troops while SA was under stringent arms embargo and could not procure any arms. It even provided troops and special forces.

UK troops to give lessons to Nigerian military just like a teacher giving lessons to a student.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/21/uk-deploy-armed-forces-nigeria-advise-boko-haram

agaugust:


Britain was the WORST enemy of blacks and BEST friend of Apartheid, go read the letter Nigerian leader Obasanjo wrote to Margaret Thatcher warning herto stop blocking the freedom of blacks in South Africa.

Fool, you don't even know who your country's enemy was, fool !
.

I beg to differ. The same Britain funded the ANC and educated many of its leaders. The longest serving President of ANC, Oliver Tambo lived in Britain when he was in exile and ANC bought his place and turned it into a museum.

Tambo lived in London from 1960 until political parties were unbanned around 1989. Some of his children were born there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/oliver-tambo-the-exile-394806.html

ANC had offices in London and were bombed by apartheid forces in 1982.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/oct/16/chrismcgreal

It has even gone down the history of South Africa.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/bomb-blast-rocks-anc-london-office

Most of South African people who exiled abroad went to London, Britain. They worked and educated there.

http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=5695

lezz:
Let me Zulu down to your level for easier comprehension.

Boers wanted the entire sandc to strengthen the hold of apartheid regime. Other countries especially Angola has been pushing for independence amongst southern African countries.

Your neighbours' anti-apartheid sentiments were growing stronger. Botha fears it is coming home and decided to quell the feud abroad before it spreads home and Zulus become wiser.

So the Boers backed regimes that promised to support apartheid in most southern African neighbouring countries, they interfered militarily and politically throughout the region for self-preservation.

When Angola proved unyielding, military option was the last resort for South Africa. The Angolans being so tiny only had teenage Cuban girls for pilots who shot the over hyped south African air force out of the skies.

You were backed by American mercenaries and amour. But you suffered defeat.

America pleaded on your behalf for negotiations, once the Angolan troops encircled the SANDF. In order to clear the last vestige of apartheid influence from the region, Angola demanded the independence of Namibia.

You can twist your points but it doesn't change history.

When Jacob Zuma went on a military parade and remembrance in Angola 2009, he acknowledged the facts and praised the Angolan military for humiliating the apartheid army.


Now whose report is more credible, Zuma, your president or that of a self-doubting, ego-haunting ,e-wanderer like you?

The ANC was founded in 1912 long before Nigeria could be established and that will be enough for you to be convinced that Zulus were always politically wise from ages ago.

You are truly lost and you really don't know the imperialist agenda behind the Boers for wanting to conquer the whole of SADC. Go and learn South African history under apartheid and stop your madness.

SADF never used american mercenaries. The war ended in stalemate.

agaugust:


So its no longer Mandela that is greatest leader? What made you change your confused half illiterate mind?
.

One is a greatest traditional king and another greatest political leader.

South Africans are always big in history.

lezz:
Angola flooged your boys who were so desperate they contemplated the use nuclear. They besieged your troops and cut off communication links. Botha had to come down. Blah!! South Africa had to negotiate the independence of Namibia as a result. Damn, ANC still pays tribute to Angola to this day.

You clearly don't know African history and this proves it all. Angola was very weak, that's why Russia and Cuba came in to fight for them.

http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/21/2100

Cubas contribution on the struggle goes a long way. Nigeria's conttibution is only known by Mofokeng.

Here Cuba goes down in the annals of history.


http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/cuba-and-struggle-democracy-south-africa

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Oh!!! You really like that post of merely personal opinion from someone who does not have much of value in the struggle.

lezz:
Yes, they did. And political alliance was beyond the scope of Zulus. Talk about inherent dumbness. Helping ANC was helping Zulus. If the German government want to cure polio in a certain africsn country, they could give funds or materials to an NGO or group in the said country on behalf of the people affected. You're all logically wanting, maybe not, just dumb denials.

ANC received most of their financial, military and material benefit from Britain and Russia That cannot be changed.

Zulus back home never had anyone to look after or anyone to run to. They fought murderous apartheid regime all by themselves by doing the following.

1.Making the government ungovernable.
2.Boycotts.
3.Staying away
4.Petrol bombing public buildings.
5.Total shutdowns
6.Protesting and many other events that made the government ungovernable.

Zulus defeated apartheid and Mandela asked Zulus not to take anything from the Boers or even push them to the sea. They are citizens of SA and not all of them are guilty because they never made those decisions.

lezz:
Angola did what you couldn't do. Angola defeated the apartheid incursions into their territory. NIGERIA used her geopolitical tentacles to clog the wheels of apartheid while granting huge financial and material benefits to the ANC.

Angola received protection from Russia as their communist power. Obviously Angola on its own would have never stopped SA because it wanted that oil like nothing on earth. I told you that Nigeria is a friend to ANC and not to SA and helping ANC does not translate to helping SA.

Truly speaking ANC received most of their material, military and financial support from Britain and Russia.

lezz:
Yes, they failed in southern Africa and succeeded in south Africa because Zulus couldn't defend what was theirs. Zulus cracked under the weight of aparthied.

Zulus protected what was theirs to this hour. Most of the uprisings happened in central South Africa to what was known to be Boers territory and the war was won.

lezz:
How long will your denial go?

Is there anything wrong with you if I say that Julius is not my youth league leader. Remember, SA is not a one party state.

lezz:
Africa resisted for you. Give credit to those it is due. You were defenceless. Soweto 1976 was a day no human could forget. Zulus were felled like trees. Angolans resisted, they were smart.

Zulus are docile to this day. The Boers sat on you comfortably and you loved his weight. Docility is a byword for Zulu. Everyone knows this.

Do you think apartheid government gave a damn about Africa. They feared only superpowers even when they were under arms embargo and heavy sanctions for many years. They saw the whole of Africa as children making noise. They could invade Botswana, Mozambique, Zim without even asking for a pass.

South Africans fougt the war all by themselves.

lezz:
They did it, and are still doing it till today. The ANC sold you for a piece of gold.

By southern Africa, I mean SADC.

They failed bitterly because millions of us still occupy their paradise from when gold was discovered in SA till to date.

The aim of apartheid government was to take over all Southern Africa and loot it all of its minerals and ship them to the central South Africa. They wanted to do what imperialists have been doing to Africa for ages.

lezz:
thanks you for owning up they ruled at least. You're on your way to being a man, yet. Don't derail from this part of growth. Let me link your post to the shameless denial of your Muppet in arms. The fool below:

So What? National party, the engineers of apartheid wanted to turn SA into a federal state where all tribes of SA will have their own separate states but leaving the beautiful land and cities all to themselves, but we denied it. They wanted to forcefully remove us from what they called central South Africa then to those newly formed states and we resisted until today.

They took over Namibia and wanted to take over Angola as well all to themselves.

lezz:
Julius was the ANC youth leader. you had him at that capacity. He even gives talks at your universities. You're are that stupid.

All politicians give speeches in universities, so what is so special about that? But Julius is not and has never been my youth leader.

lezz:
How long has the Boers ruled South Africa till 1994? I'll always help your slow mind.

The boer ruled SA from 1948-1994.

lezz:
you're a dyslexic, incomprehensible, Muppet suffering from deductive reasoning. Where did I say Julius born during apartheid. I said the ANC carried the sentiments of preapartheid era.

Will you cover your head in shame?

Julius was born during apartheid and is certainly not a born free generation (1994- today). He is also not my leader and had never been my leader.

lezz:
You're late, Zulu. First off, everyone in this thread knows Zulu is a collective name for goat_fucking south African including a docile retard like you.

Second, while Europe and Japan was basically destroyed during second world war, infrastructure and all, south Africa wasn't. She just had a change of government and social machinery. You're a Slow, dimwit with interrupted geopolitical knowledge.

Julist meleke or Malema is the voice that proved you're a slave of no value. keep hanging onto the misspelling in order to hide your life of decrepit slumming.

Man you are truly confused. Even Julius is much better than you.

lezz:
You will never own up to your own name here oncr defeat stares you in the face.

400 years of apartheid has made you a vegetation, numb to grace and pride.

Apartheid started in 1948 after National Party of prime minister Verwoed won the elections. It caused SA to be sanctioned as a result until it was finally defeated. If you want us to educate you just ask humbly.

lezz:
Julius was of the ANC, the ANC has carried the preapartheid sentiment of south Africa and has ruled you for all of your 21 years of democratic life. Any leader of ANC is by political assimilation, your leader. Julius as the youth leader of ANC then was your leader, you dumb_fuck from Soweto.

You are confused and I do not even believe you can even understand your statement. Julius is a child and during apartheid was not even born. When Mr Dekerk announced the abolishment of apartheid and unbanned all liberation parties including the ANC Julius was just seven or eight years old. Julius hardly know a thing about the struggle. Even when Mandela was released from prison in 1990, Julius was still very young, not even ten years old.

lezz:
Julius was never a fool. He was just naive and innocent of the deadly subtlety of political language. That's why he pulled the crowds. He spoke the truth. But shame on you all the same.

Julius pulled the crowds because he was more of a standup comedian than a sound politician.

lezz:
I honestly wish you will stand up on your two feet and carry your own weight. Your life is marked by denials and petty, feel-good trivials.

Go and educate yourself about SA politics, then we can discuss.

lezz:
Shut the bleep up. Didn't he challenge it? He was your youth leader, fool and he was grossly corrupt. Part of the ANC hierarchy wanted him not to leave because he pulled the crowds.

He made his mark which you're trying to distort. He acknowledged that the Boers own him and by assimilation, you too.

There you go again. Man why can't you just shut your mouth up and never open your stinking mouth to say anything about SA again because you know nothing about SA politics.

Julius is not my leader and had never been my youth leader. He was ANC youth league President. Julius was expelled by ANC after disciplinary and majority of members supported the decision.

lezz:
bwahahaha, your chasing shadows. You can't prove the statement false so you cling on my erring of his political party. I just have you a summation of his political life sndvyou couldn't deny it. Zulu. Keep the denial up. That's how you deny you're never slaves when your very breath is determined in the mansion of the Dutch sitting on s piece of land owned by your father.

I wish you do a little research about SA during apartheid and come back to read all hour comments. I am 100% sure that you will want to delete all the crap you wrote here.

LEZZ apartheid did not mean slavery. It only meant that those who had political power which were minority then used it wrongly along racial lines. They used it to enrich themselves, to acquire only what is best for them and to separate society. It does not mean what you are thinking.