Patchesagain:

Yes I can spot the difference!
None of these things have actually happened!
Weird how you would sign a deal for 3... and buy them... but not sign a deal for 40

Chief is obvious that Nigeria does not have money for such a deal.

agaugust:


The newspaper is not Nairaland argument forum, it does not intend to make list of any details for argument with fools like you

The source quotes the word Reconnaissance and it summarizes it all, and it was used in combat ops for recce. Proved.

NAF now has ...

3 Beechcraft 350i Reconnaissance

2 Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR

2 Diamond D42 ISR

2 ATR-42 MPA/ISTAR/ELINT/secondary role AWACS 407 km range radar

10 F-7 jets

3 JF-17 jets likely with BVR missiles, anti-radar, and anti-ship missiles like the Pakistani air force.

SAAF is dead on arrival....6 pilots for Gripen jet with no combat qualified pilots and no BVR missiles in 10 years

[size=13pt] JF-17 Thunder is new King in Sub Saharan Africa 2016 [/size]

.

Surely it will only make mach 0.8 with all of that.

CAN A JUNK FIGHTER INTERCEPT GRIPEN SPEEDING AT MACH 1.8? JUST ASKING.

Patchesagain:


Read the assessment - you have no FORCE PROJECTION

Falcon Eye does not provide you with the ability to PROJECT FORCE

And you DO NOT have missile craft on order

You absolute knob, you are clearly exhausted... take a break. I am about to go for a run, maybe you should to.

Nigerian navy cannot project force anywhere outside Nigeria's shores.

Yes, it has always been like that.

JUNK FIGHTER IS AN INTERCEPTOR THAT MAKES MAX SPEED OF ONLY MACH 1.6. WHAT A JOKE!!!

Henry240:


Why don't you tell us what a 4 GEN fighter is, provide it's characteristics.

JF are some of the fighters which have been smuggled to 4 gen family.

agaugust:

Nope you fool, China has it's main IFV, and main armament of the ZBD97 is a dual-way stabilised, semi-automatic 100mm rifled gun / missile launcher, capable of firing both HE-FRAG rounds and the 3UBK10 ATGM....mixed weapons, the missile is turret fired you dummy !
Same way the Chinese year 2008 IFV has both cannon and missiles fired through the gun http://www.military-today.com/apc/zbd_08.htm
Fool, soweto fool.....Badger is obsolete concept.

You can read that what they have done is not recommended.

Badger is obsolete yet remains superior to BTR. Can you defeat this with your BTR?

agaugust:


Show us the photo and prove SANDF is buying APC variant plus IFV, show us proof SANDF has changed it's ancient 100 year old doctrine to now buy amphibious armoured vehicles.....prove it you liar !

SANDF 30% of its vehicles which are currently made in Finland will be amphibious. That's what I head. They will come as same as patria.


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

agaugust:


Prove it is functional and TDL status, prove it.

Every country that has data link platforms have names for it, ATR-42 has inbuilt data link and has a name too.

Prove that the Chinese stuff is TDL, and name that of Russia, their TDL

Just because you don't have TDL don't try to make it less important. Even China is crying to have one reliable TDL and so which means we are superior.


Your ATR unfortunately will not communicate with other systems to alert them what is happening. Operators who read the images will have to manually alert other platforms with a radio about what they read on ATR datalink. It will take almost 30 minutes for response. With TDL everyone sees everything together immediately. You truly need that technology but you are too small for it. It is just out of your reach.

Henry240:


Nigeria ordered 40+ BTR-4s.

Dreaming deep in his smile again..Nigeria has less than 20 of BTR. Nigeria will never make any major procurement any time now because they have many obstacles. BH is what they are desperate to defeat now with less equipment but still has to be economical to meet their pockets.

Patchesagain:


No, the Rosomak had no cage armor

It is also not amphibious because, like us, they chose armor over the ability to float

YOU KILLED HIM. BOOOOOOM

Nigeria even has simple zero, command, control and comm C3. Until proven otherwise.

agaugust:


Nigeria has C2 and C5 command and control, so if our aircraft see anything, they communicate with CCC and the CCC relays the message to other platforms. Simple, but a fool like you won't know how 95% of the world's military fights war without tactical data link.

TDL is just faster because it does not go through CCC.....Command and Control Center.

Meanwhile, your Gripen and Hawk jets are getting sh.ot down by NAF JF-17 Thunder jets, your data link is blown to pieces before you use it.

Neither C2 nor C3 even C100 for that matter will help you to integrate your fighters to work as a unit. They will still work as isolated units.

May I remind you that you have zero TDL and MTN. Thank you.

agaugust:


Your Gripen has obsolete 20 year old pulse doppler mechanical radar, Rafale has latest AESA electronic radar plus IRST and OLS which your Gripen does not have....how are they on par?

Fake fighter pilot, answer us with proof, how is Gripen C on Par with Rafale?
.

SA gripens radars have mark 3 recent versions which are competitive to AESA. It is even far better than other weak platforms which are using AESA.

Henry240:


So that's why you only have 9 pilots after 18 years.

Give up to date citation to prove your claims.

Henry240:


1 - the JF-17 block II which we are getting is more superior to your Gripen C/D


2 - 3 jets of a required minimum of 25-40 jets ordered.


3- it sure won't take us 18 years to train 9 un-qualified pilots.

Whatever is called junk fighter shall remain inferior before GRIPEN Jet. Junk Fighter was made as a low cost junk to meet the pockets of poor countries.

GRIPEN JAS 39 IS 4.5 GENERATION IN THE SAME CLASS WITH RAFALE.

Any Nigerian BTR that can challenge these?

agaugust:

....and you got ONLY 5 Badgers in 18 years...clap for SANDF

SANDF will have 236 Badgers. Confirmed.

Already more are being made everyday. Only fee were handed over to SANDF just to let them feel their ride.

agaugust:


Citation needed, we need proof, post proof of your claim.

I proved to you already that Badger with its five variants will be far superior than BTR.

agaugust:


It took South Africa few years to build nuclear weapons because white men were in control

It took South Africa 20 years to build a simple data link software because black Zulu-Bantu dullards were in control
.

You are playing race cards again. I thought you left that sickness with 2015. TDL is not a software is a hardware.

AGAUGUST, NATO CAN GIVE ALL POWERFUL WEAPONS BUT NOT THEIR TDL. DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE IT, YOU HAVE IT ALL. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WORLD THAT PAINS YOU LIKE FIGHTING AN ENEMY THAT FIGHT AS TEAM AND THAT KNOWS EVERY OF YOUR MOVE.

agaugust:


I spent a while week proving that to Andrewza with NAF photos and weblinks, he was humbled at the end. I wont waste my time repeating old stories, you deny the truth beause it hurts your Southie ego as your country has NOTHING compared to NAF ISTAR aircraft which will now be joined by JF-17 Thunder 4th Gen multi-role jet fighter....likely NAF is getting BVR missiles and Anti-Ship missiles...watch NAF grow lion's teeth !
.

kindly repost them then.

Junk Fighter is just another F7.

agaugust:


Every military in the world integrates all it's armed forces via C2 communication, datalink is only a faster platform. How did allied forces coordinate their three armed forces from three different countries in world war II invasion of France on D-Day with millions of troops and thousands of combat aircraft and warships with NO DATA LINK ? Fool !
.

But still their equipments will not work as a unit if they do not have combination of TDL/MTN.

Teamwork is what helps people to achieve the objective and you can never want to make it as if TDL is useless. NO NO NO NO…

agaugust:


How will SA use tactical data link against Egypt in the first place....or any other place for that matter?

Obviously Egyptians do not have TDL. They will obvioisly fight in isolated units without knowing what happens to another. They obviously will rely on radios for communication. We will intercept their communication and keep track of their actions, once our cover is blown out we will distort their radio communication. You know well how much does a team loses without proper communication and TDL/MTN helps you to fight as a team. We will without any doubt gain an upper hand over Egyptians.

Agaugust basically TDL enables you to fight as a team and it also reduces the time it takes weapons to aim at the target. It would take artillery just only one minute or so to hit a moving target particularly a moving truck. There are also many weapons that functions better with TDL. Generally it makes the war an easy task.

Patchesagain:


It means:

1. Ground based radar can detect Su-30 and send info about it to the Gripen via the TDL and allow the Gripen to approach and engage with its radar turned off (thus not giving away its location)

2. It allows the Gripen to detect Su-30 and send info about it to GBADS units and allows them to engage it without turning on their radars

3. It allows a ground based radar or Gripen to warn a Rooivalk that Su30's are coming without having to use voice communications

4. It allows a Valour Class in Cape Town and Durban, a mobile Radar in Bloemfontien and Gripen in Nelspruit and Witbank to send all their radar info to one location to provide a nation wide live feed of our airspace.

5. It allows the Commander of a Brigade or Division to know where everysingle unit and vehicle in his formation is 24/7 without having to break radio silence.

6. It prevents Blue-on-Blue as all artillery formations know the exact location of friendly units 24/7

7. It allows extremely high levels of encryption as you now not only have to find our frequiency hopping radios (another thing you dont have) but you have to decrypt the data they are sending... meaning we now have multiple layers of encryption

8. It allows an SF unit on a hill to mark the location of everything he sees without ever having to pick up a radio

Do you want to know more?

TDL uses images as well for all to see.

jln115:

China uses the HN-900 data link.

HN-900 data link is just only a copy of LINK 11. It is not a preferable choice.

agaugust:


If all platforms see the enemy at the same time, can they all launch attack on that enemy? Fool.

If Gripen is showing Angolan Su-30 jet to G-6 artillery and Type 209 submarine or Rooivalk helicopers, can those other platforms attack the Su-30 jet? Fool. Datalink is NOT a magic tool, it's just a faster and networked communication system.

Prove that they don't have it. Show us proof. Egypt being silent about it does not mean they don't have tactical data link.

Most countries don't go about boasting of ordinary datalink.

What is the name of Russia's or China's inter-service data link? Or they don't have?

SANDF datalink has failed to show all your patrol troops the presence of all Rhino poachers and weapons smugglers defeating operation Corona in your South African homeland....

Your tactical datalink has not saved you from local SANDF operations at home, how does it save you from Egypt or Nigerian military might ?
.

It seems my neighbour here does not know how TDL and MTN works. Agaugust my friend, an integrated C3 and MTN helps to keep all platforms in one solidarity and to keep up to date with what is happening around them. For eg. If one fighter is facing the enemy, the other platforms will be alerted immediately and respond in time. If the ground forces are facing danger, will be arleted before hand about the location of the enemy. Basically it answers war questions as to where are you, where are your comrades and the location of the enemy.

It also helps to intercept communication of your enemy especially when your enemy is relying on radios for communications like in the case of Nigeria
It gives you an upper hand over your enemy such that you will keep track of their activities for every move or even set their communications on an inappropriate link to distort their communication. Every platform connected to it stay up to date about everything.


We cannot use TDL against criminals. It is used in an active battle. Poachers are criminals who steals and that mission is not an SANDF mission.

agaugust:


Butt Hurt By The Spirit Of Envy...butt hurt South African goon

Nigeria is now getting a 4th Generation jet fighter that matches SAAF Gripen jets.

3 jets initial order, NAF 2014 published evaluation says 25 to 40 JF-17 Thunder jets.

SAAF has only 6 to 9 Gripen pilots and NONE combat qualified.

NAF is having 10 F-7 jets + 3 JF-17 jets for a start, all our pilots are combat qualified, they fly combat sorties everyday
.

JAS 39 GRIPEN JET IS 4.5 GEN FIGHTER WHICH IS ON PAR WITH THE LIKES OF RAFALES.


http://www.brighthub.com/science/aviation/articles/92286.aspx

Patchesagain:


1. Junk Fighter 17 is inferior in every single way

2. Only 3 jets ordered

3. SAAF currently has 14 Grip pilots - no proof that they are not qualified. With 10 more completeing advanced fighter training in Russia, meaning that when they complete their training, and the 4 other pilots retire... we will have 19 Gripen Pilots.

4. Citations needed that you have all your jets operational and pilots qualified.

Just ask yourself why would they order only three. It is because they have only three qualified fighter pilots and that is not initial order as he claims. That money is pretty too little.

With falling oil prices which will continue for three years, Nigeria is looking for new ways to make money and that is to punish foreign investment.

Badger with mortar.

Patchesagain:



wow

3 jets

So impressive

*clap*

Wasteful expenditure. Bwahaha…