agaugust:


Denel has 12 different subsidiary companies including non-defence businesses like real estate and buildings, http://www.denelproperties.co.za/ he could own shares in a subsidiary like that.

Aguagu Denel is a state owned enterprise (SOE) and had not open shares to the public in any day.

agaugust:


He said he is an SANDF officer and a DENEL shareholder, you disagree because you know him more than he knows himself, so it's up to you to prove him wrong and show us proof that he works in a bank as you claim....you make the claims against him, you need to prove him wrong or you remain silent for ever with no proof. Liar !

Denel shareholder? Denel is 100% owned by the state, so he failed already.

agaugust:



I post sources for my claims more than anybody on this thread, go check my posts. I dont make false claims like Southies do.

"The A-Darter now uses 40% foreign parts so it increases not only the costs but also the vulnerabilities at winning orders with countries with bad relations to countries like the US, UK and other EU countries."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40054&Itemid=116&catid=7

The above is a readers comment from a very regular and respected military commentator on defenceweb, he is known to be an SANDF officer and a shareholder in Denel.

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Milzikazi is one of the worst South Africans on this thread with lies, open denial of proven facts, while Patches engages in deliberate mis-information on a daily basis. Fighter Pilot makes totally stüpïd comments that makes no sense.


These same South Africans misled you last two weeks with an outdated May 2015 report that NAF has only 7 operational aircraft in total, yet you were quick to believe it and post a ridicule of NAF based on that story because it suits your purpose. I replied with an up to date official NAF report of August 2015 stating that almost the entire NAF fleet of about 100 North East combat sortie aircraft went on sheduled maintenance during the May to July 2015 period after flying thousands of combat sorties non-stop from January to April 2015, and now all the aircraft are back in flying combat operations having completed their scheduled maintenance.

Yet with all the evidences posted from NAF HQ, your fellow South Africans continue to post here EVERYDAY repeatedly that NAF has only 7 operational aircraft, even despite a new NAF 2016 video now released to the public showing that contrary to the May 2015 report, F-7 jets, Agusta helos, drones, etc are all in operation at war. Yet your fellow South Africans keep posting comments on this thread daily that NAF has only 7 operational aircraft and that is made up of just 3 Alpha jets, no F-7 jets, no L-39 jets, no Puma, no Agusta, no ATR-42, etc.

Yesterday you responded with ridicule on Nigeria to a comment by South African Mzilikazi that South African mercenary pilots were training NAF pilots to fly F-7 jets, Alpha jets, ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft, you were supporting his comment by making ridicules through it, is that a healthy comment? Is that claim true? It is realistic? Is it proven with facts?

Yet you come here the next day and act like a saint and the most decent/responsible man on this thread/forum....you are a 100% hypocrite Saengine.

How does that make a healthy and educative debate on this forum? You deliberately turn a blind eye to the mess and lies your South African friends tell on this forum, and keep making hypocritical comments that Nigerians post false comments that made you stop commenting on this thread.

Fool, liar, hypocrite, that is what you are Saengine.

Me, I am going to begin ignoring this forum gradually until sanity returns, I dont want to invest and waste much time on a forum where healthy and constructive debate cannot be done simply because South Africans national ego that was overblown has been bursted with facts and figures that make you guys realise you live in a world of self delusion and hidden secrets of a rotten military force which has declined to the level of Cuba training SANDF and SAAF, your Zulu/Xhosa/Bantu led ANC government has quenched the glory of apartheid era when South Africa was an all round great nation that was feared and respected worldwide for near European standards in everthing
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Have you seen that you are the one who is always making unfounded claims here. You always concoct things that your source never mentions. Just like now you claim that 40% of A-Darter tech is imported. Show us where your source says so. You always want to be right.


Bwahahaha… you forget that you are still holding on to the news that was made 2010 about SA having few gripen pilots and even today you are still going on about it. So, what is wrong about us utilising not so long ago source as evidence to dispute your lies? You now suffer the bitterness of your own medicine. Can I still remind you that 50% of your only 100 vessels is broken and you have only 7 operational assets in the whole NAF.

agaugust:


1. I have posted the year 2006-2010 various sized 300 vessels procurement here many times repeatedly, including those from Australia, Vietnam, Singapore shipyards. How many times will I repeat it, you think I am a jobless man with no use for my time? You think I get paid salary on Nairaland time spent posting comments?

2. The major ships list is available on Navy website.

3. I posted yesterday the 2016 brand new 100 vessels purchase, so that completes all needed proofs.

Dude, stop killing this thread like you almost killed the photo thread with foolish comments and demands for citations to be repeated for you again and again....like yõu have brain disease and mental cognitive disorder?

Are you crazy? So do you want to tell me that you are now on the same level with Superpowers? If you had a navy with a total vessels that amount to 500, not even America would have dared to donate their garbage to you. I suspect that you haven't visited a navy base in your life. That's why you would suggest that your poor Nigerian navy boast about 500 vessels. For your information, Nigerian Navy is listed as one of the poorest navies in the world and is still in the donor database of the US military. A long list of militaries that the US military donates their scraps to when they are done with them. SA military as a whole is no longer a charity case and has been removed from the donor database long ago since is now regarded as the big dog that can now take care of itself.

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agaugust:


See your South African black family being roasted like bush meat by your own black people below, Mandela Vs Buthelezi war



14,000 black South Africans killed by fellow black South Africans in ANC Vs Inkatha war of hatred in Mandela's term as president. You South Africans should be expelled from Nairaland for deliberate and random telling of lies on EVERY THREAD WHERE YOUR PEOPLE SHOW UP.

"Supporters of the Inkatha Freedom Party were quick to follow the lead of the ANC and formed Self Protection Units (SPUs) on the pretext of protecting their communities from onslaughts from ANC cadres. Once again, weapons proliferated in IFP strongholds, with consequences similar to those in ANC controlled communities. The violence took its heaviest toll in KwaZulu/Natal where the war between supporters of the ANC and the IFP, which had erupted in1983 when the UDF began to "invade" IFP areas the IFP regarded as being part of its territory. More South Africans – almost 14,000 were killed in South Africa during the four and a half years following the release of Mandela in February 1990 and his inauguration as President of South Africa in May 1994 than had been killed in the previous 42 years of the apartheid."

https://www.nelsonmandela.org/omalley/index.php/site/q/03lv02424/04lv03275/05lv03294/06lv03299.htm

BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE, SOUTH AFRICANS FIRE ROASTING THEIR OWN FELLOW SOUTH AFRICANS, MANDELA VS BUTHELEZI


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You are not afraid to tell lies anymore. Where do you get your 14000 from? You Nigerian are smoking too much of the stuff that you always sell around the corners of Johannesburg. We have never had a situation where we lost 14000 people in any of our previous conflicts. To be exact not even hundred we dared to lose in any massacre. So your post remains worthless and must be rubbished as a product of lunatic.

jteku:
UK

South Africa is super power to lesotho or what do you mean by super power

To Africa.

Patchesagain:

No jets use them.
Production stopped because it was not economical anymore.
Again, we make the latest gen of guided rockets.
You think we cannot make rocket pods? Seriously?
This is nothing but you trying to make a mountain out of mole-hill and cover up for the massive faulre of your military industrial complex and its 40 year old ammunition

Bwahahahahaha… these Nigerian fools

agaugust:


You have NOT produced it. Nigeria does it.

FINITO.

Rocket pods is not something you can die for especially to the world.

agaugust:


You have NOT produced jet fighter rocket pod, we have done it.

Case Closed, we do what you have not achieved.

That is easy, if South Africans can have interests in it they will produce it just in one day.

South Africa has over 100 local defence companies and out of them not even ten have foreign ownership. Even foreign defence firms only bought stakes in those companies which existed long before such partnership could take place. FACT.

agaugust:



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80% of South African domestic defence industry is your European white masters' companies branches opened in South Africa.

The technology you are boasting about is NOT yours ! Europe is sending all these technology directly to their factories branches in South Africa.

BAE is British, Reinmetall is German, SAAB is Swedish, THALES is French, Mectron is Brazillian.

The only thing you make alone is MRAP that you copied from Zimbabwe in the 1970s.

When South Africa tries to do high tech military products on it's own it fumbles and wobbles in failure....

DENEL could NOT build A-Darter missile until Brazil gave you the technology.

LinkZA data link failed to work as a real TDL because European companies refused to transfer the technology to South Africa.

Even your ordinary R-4 Rifle is a licenced copy of Israeli technology Galil rifle.

South African defence industry is 80% made by Europe on your land. Simple.

Show us what military technology that your Zulu-Bantu-Cape Colony dullards have created since Mandela took over power in 1994....Black Nigerian military officers have created weapons without any foreign help....show us Zulus brain work in your defence industry
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I don't know how many times have I been hearing this. Seems this guy does not understand what do they mean when they say South African is not only black. South African could be a Chinese, Indian, Coloured, White, Arab, etc. SA demographics is different from Nigeria and that's why is called RAINBOW NATION. We don't expect anyone to polarise our country by telling us who belongs to SA and who is not.

Henry240:


Straw man argument.


"This is what you're holding on to...... This?"


I'm sure there probably is a Nigerian designed version already installed. Just a complimentary piece of equipment.

Hehehehe… speaking of probability.

agaugust:
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THIZA, we have seen your many photos, but your SANDF remains untested in battle.

South Africa has NEVER deployed Gripen jets and Hawk jets in any combat anywhere in the world, and your current army has never deployed more than 1,900 soldiers in any battle since Mandela rebuilt SADF into SANDF.

99% of the weapons you show us in photos have NEVER been tested by SANDF in battle.

So, your military remains good ONLY INSIDE PHOTOS, the very well experienced Nigerian military is constantly tested in war from 1990 till today 2016, so Naija is NOT your mate, SA compares to other untested military forces like Zambia and Togo Republic, that is the class SANDF belongs to, sit down hollywoood photo armed forces
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You are a joke. So if the super eagles decides to change their name to the super lions will that mean the new super lions never played official international tournaments before?

agaugust:


What makes you believe we have not fitted or will never fit it? You Southies thought our new Alpha Jets will remain de-militarized until NAF shocked you by reconfiguring the jets with made in Nigeria weapons. Who cares, we have many other radars with IFF and the whole of Nigerian air space is under total radar coverage with IFF already, so the mobile radars without IFF are covered by fixed radars with IFF.

Your small brain cannot think outside a small box of IFF on desert based radars in an FOB with zero air threat from Boko Haram.

You can't think out of the box. Your rocket pods are a joke.

mzilakazi:




A Nigerian with poor arithmatic skills.

2016-2010= 16 years to a Nigerian.


SA received its gripens in 2010 and when they flew during the world cup were not fully commissioned.

http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/910/new-saaf-fighter-is-delivering-the-goods.

I quote.

Although the Gripen is still in the commissioning phase and thus is still classified as a project and not as operational aircraft, the fighters were used to help provide aerial security, enforcing restricted flight zones, for the 2010 FIFA World Cup in June and July. Quote closed

So, how does 2016-2010 become 16 years? Let Henry answer this question.

Henry failed yet again.

HENRY is severely suffering form brain tumour. SA has never sign a contract and start receiving GRIPENS. we had to wait for fighters to be manufactured because SAAB does not produce already made fighters. They produce per order. Even Brazil is still waiting.

Henry240:


- The few companies producing steel in South-Africa are clearly complaining, the starts also show you import a lot of steel from China. The burden of proof is on you to show that the steel used isn't imported.



- So according to you, the combat suite used in your obsolete valour class is 75% local, which makes by definition the combat suite South-African. So Patches689, why do you keep saying over and over that your combat suite is the same as the one on French Lafayette and F100 Frigates?



- what else did you co-develop, "USS Enterprise", Bigfoot?

Cobra HMD is made by BAE systems.


- The Americans (Hellfire missiles), Russians (kornets ), Turks, Chinese, Indians, Czech are the leaders in ATGMs and SRAAMs.

Bigfoot is South African with the patent sold to China.

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Henry240:


- Igirigi MRAP

- Ikri MRAP

- Proforce ARA MRAP

None of those are MRAPS. Igirigi is APC

Know more about VTC or video teleconferencing



http://www.video-conferencing-guide.org/benefits-of-video-conferencing.html

Msauza:
Gentlemen just look at this picture
It has all the properties of a video conferencing. Look at how the cam caught that man. Major Olukoju has shiboboed Nigeria here. This is video conferencing, No doubt about it.



http://www.elombah.com/index.php/reports/4359-nigerian-army-launches-eagle-mobile-central-command-post

Bwahahahaha… you caught him


Video conferencing only need
-Monitors
-Telephone
-Microphone
-Computer Network
-Camera

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/videoconferencing.html

This is what we have found. Just Zoom the last picture of the man inside the truck in front of computers and you will see images of Buhari wearing his hijab on his monitors.

patches689:


Augustus.

We all read the same article, none of the things you are claiming exist in it - you are making very specific claims from very a very broadly worded article.

If you can post technical information, please do, and please do so in a non-confrontational manner.

If you wish to fight... you know where to find me

Bwahahahahahahahaha……………



In Nigeria we see this as a command post. Microphone, Samsung TV and Visuals

Bwahahahahaha…

We don't see maps, network and interoperability. This is what we see and what is only left is for BUHARI to sing national anthem for those troops he sees.

iblawi:


South Africa has never stabilized any country in case you don't know.

Lol!!!! What about LESOTHO, BURUNDI and DRC?

agaugust:


You should have led in C.A.R. Bangui instead of running away and abandoning fellow African brothers into the hands of Seleka. Nobody trusts South Africa anymore. You cherry pick where you want to go and seek the easiest spots to give your self-glory seeking fake help.

The question will be " Was SANDF deployment approved by UN?". The answer is NO. So it was just a country-to-country memorandum of understanding. Hence, SA cannot decide to lead in CAR when there was no government and when the regional community ruled that we should withdraw from that country.

Agaugust, our fake military researcher is wrong again as always.

iterator24:

stop this demographicall bvllsh!t.. we're 3x your size plus you've never been to nigeria..






#(not centurion, midrand)

It is not about demographics. It is about State = Province.

iterator24:
i thought the menlyn mall is upgrading for that title

You surely don't know SA. You are foreigner here but you surely have a lot to learn. The biggest mall in Africa will not be in Menlyn.

agaugust:


◘ Shaka C2 system is actually INFERIOR to Eagle system.

◘ Shaka C2 is ONLY for brigade sized forces and below....means maximum 5,000 troops coordination limited capability.

"Exercise Ndlovu, now underway, is expected to provide the South African Army and Joint Operations (J Ops) Division a first opportunity to test the recently-delivered Chaka brigade-and-below C2 system . "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20892



◘ Shaka C2 system is ONLY for small brigade sized military operations, NOT an entire battle space the size of Scotland.

◘ Eagle system is for a whole army and air force in a battle space as big as Scotland in REAL-TIME network.

◘ The Eagle system commands and controls NA and NAF 30,000 troops and 100 aircraft spread all over North East Nigeria as big as Scotland.

I am sure the mature minded and honest Africans here will refuse to be misled by immature and glory seeking commentators who believe the rest of Africa is jungle bush while they only like in urban cities. Pity this continent, the kind of people we have at the tail of the map of Africa.

Bwahahahahaha… agaugust why are you this fool. Even a grade 1 pupil will outperform you in terms of thinking. Chaka C2 is for the whole army irrespective of how large our army will be in future. It covers the whole army. Why can't you stop this topic because here you call an ordinary VIDEO CONFERENCING a C2 system.



NIGERIA DOES NOT HAVE A C2 SYSTEM FOR NOW, MAYBE NEXT TIME IN FUTURE. BUT FOR NOW YOU DONT HAVE IT.

agaugust:
U.S. Army Pacific Contingency Command Post Current Operations....TV monitor screen and 'telephone' box...for the ignorant.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/671502/usarpac-ccp-hast-tonga-coral-reef#.VqGOb_krLIU

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Eagle system is not a C2 system, unless you want to be laughed at. I repeat, Eagle command post is just an ordinary video conferencing that will not give you GPS of any area. It is not a C2 system and no where in the source does it claim to be a C2 system.

Monitors and projectors might be used on the command post for much broader resolution for all to see unlike having to congest a small screen of a laptop. Yes, some command post are complimented by video conferencing equipments as well for live communication but that has nothing to do with C2 system. Your command post has video conferencing but lacks C2 system.


Chaka C2 was designed and installed by the most respected and reputable company in the world by he name of SAAB GRINTEK after which it was competed by many companies across tge world and not some general in the army like in the case with Nigeria. Your eagle is not a C2 system. Amen.

STOP DECEIVING PEOPLE.

Burundi crisis:-

Time for South Africa to lead.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/news/item_id-42062/

Burundi crisis-

Time for South Africa to lead


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/news/item_id-42062/

iterator24:
oh my!! why do you guys like arguing blindly! for goodness sake!.. lagos has cities too! VI, surulere etc.. as pretoria has sunnyside, gezina etc.. please stop arguing! you people are just empty headed!, i've stayed in both countries....perhaps you peeps travel!! chai!

Gauteng - South West (province/region)
Pretoria, Joburg..etc - Lagos, Ogun etc (State)
sunnyside, sandton - VI, Ogba etc (Cities)
then.. streets

You really don't know where this discussion was all about. We all know Lagos is a state. Our argument was that a province and a state are much and the same thing apart from the fact that states only enjoy much of independence from central government.

Our argument is State = Province.

iblawi:


You are surely the boy for not knowing that we use a real time full duplex system that is more advanced than yours. Showing us maps on a computer doesn't mean ours can't display location of troops too.

For God's sake what is so complex about a C2 system. Even normal apps we use on daily basis shows GPS location of friends around the world and can even display their location on a map just like the one you posted. so what will make developing a C2 system so difficult to the extent that you South Africans think you have something others don't have.

With people like you the world will think Africa is still living in stone age.

You surely think C2 is just something you can just construct without expertise. You are mistaken.

C2 is complicated technology which requires big companies to put together. It requires companies to flock and compete for a tender just like when you do major arms deal.

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/print-version/south-african-army-to-get-command-and-control-system-2008-08-29

DonBobes:



Before it gets to Nigeria, do dey even operate brown sand Navy. Der whole armed forces will b humiliated in a disastrous manner! Weaklings.

South Africa operates blue water navy, meaning they can project force anywhere in the world.

iblawi:


Tell me what the features of your C2 are?

Google chaka C2 and you will get all the answers. We don't go around marketing video conferencing as C2 system.

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/print-version/south-african-army-to-get-command-and-control-system-2008-08-29