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Badger with anti-tank missile turrets. Tell me how will BTR ever stop this one?

It will have other missiles on the rear wheels. That is for standard.

agaugust:
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Nigeria Buys JF-17 Thunder jets...Confirmed By Federal Government.

http://www.punchng.com/fg-to-spend-n65bn-on-warplanes-weapons-others/

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Waste of cash.

agaugust:
[s]We have seen photos of SANDF Badgers, they have only one major weapon in standard Badger configuration, ONE SINGLE 30 MM CANNON WITH LOW RATE OF FIRE ONLY !

Finland's Patria has no DENEL equipment, or have you changed your boast that DENEL components make up 70% of the Badger? How can you have 70% DENEL components and still claim the Badger is same as the Finland made Patria? You contradict yourself dummy !

The extra protection for the Badger is NOT on the hull/body, it is under chassis for land mine protection. A simple browning machine gun will penetrate the body of SANDF Badger.....fvcking IFV with obsolete configuration, one main gun only in 2015 modern age !

Nigerian BTR-4 is the most advanced IFV in Africa ! FACT !
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Badger comes in 5 variants which obviously will supersede BTR Capabilities and technology.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32730/

QUOTE:

A notable feature of the Badger is its modular turret system, developed in five variants, namely Section, Command, Mortar, Missile and Fire Support models. A single turret structure, fitted with different weapon modules, will simplify the logistic support and reduce the cost of through-life support, Denel said.

agaugust:
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Have you been choked by cassava?

Henry240:
No Evidence = No Bueno


Finish Patriah AMV =/= Badger..... Remember


Badger IFV can only provide protection against 7.62 all sources prove this. If you have a contrary source on the Badger, provide it.

Google will give you evidence

Henry240:
[s]FG to spend N65bn on warplanes, weapons, others
The Federal Government is proposing to spend N65.03bn for
the acquisition of various military aircraft, combat
equipment, trucks and maintenance of boats among others
in the 2016 fiscal period.
Details of this amount are contained in the 2016 budget
which President Muhammadu Buhari presented to a joint
session of the National Assembly in December, 2015.
A copy of the budget for the military was obtained by our
correspondent in Abuja on Tuesday.
The N65.03bn, according to an analysis of the budget
document, is part of the total sum of N311.38bn allocated to
the Nigerian Army, Navy and Air Force for the 2016 fiscal
year.
Out of the N311.38bn, the sum of N139.8bn, made up of
capital expenditure of N120.01bn and recurrent expenditure
of N19.78bn is allocated to the Nigerian Army.
For the Nigerian Navy, the sum of N85.97bn is allocated for
its operations. This amount is made up of N60.33bn for
recurrent expenditure and N25.64bn for capital spending.
The Nigerian Air Force has a total budget of N85.61bn, made
up of N62.15bn for recurrent expenditure and N23.46bn for
capital expenditure.
Giving details of the weapons to be acquired for the
operation of the Navy, the fiscal document states that the
sum of N5bn is budgeted for the procurement of three JF-17
Thunder-multi role combat aircraft.
The government, according to the document, has also
allocated the sum of N11.6bn for the procurement of two
MI-35m helicopter, while N2.06bn is being proposed to
acquire 10 Super Mushak trainer aircraft.
Other operational equipment to be acquired for the Navy
are aircraft spares, N1.7bn; combat equipment, outfits and
training for Quick Response Force, N350m; arms and
ammunition such as 30MM Canon, 68MM SNEB live rocket,
F3 and F4 practice bomb, N480m.
Also being proposed for the Navy is infrastructural
development at the newly established Forward Operational
Base and NAF Units at a cost of N2.2bn.
For the Nigerian Army, the budget document states that the
sum of N5.64bn has been budgeted for the purchase of
defence equipment; N2bn for kitting of armed forces
personnel; and N1.96bn for the purchase of trucks.
Similarly, the sum of N2.07bn is being proposed for security
votes including operations while N7.24bn has been
budgeted for the construction of military barracks.
For the Navy, the budget document states that the purchase
of defence equipment will gulp N18.29bn while the sum of
N372.95m and N734.06m are budgeted for the maintenance
of aircraft and sea boats respectively.
In the same vein, the document indicates that the
government is planning to spend N1.7bn to purchase
surveying equipment, N296.88m to fuel aircraft; N645.35m
for sea boats and N706.07m for security votes, including
operations.



Curled from the online punch newspaper

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South Africa also has plans and even budgeted to procure advanced weapons.

Let's have this discussion when you have all those not your wish list.

Even China as big as it is, it still struggles to develop TDL to integrate its large fleet of combat ships and aircrafts. We are superior than China.


http://www.afcea.org/content/?q=chinese-warships-struggle-meet-new-command-control-and-communications-needs

Henry240:
We are the only Nation in SSA that has operationally used data links.

Operationally, we are also the only one that have used ELINT compliant assets, AR-1, PL-9C, Falcon Eye, Satellite surveillance, networking & Tracking of assets just a part of the Navy's wider RMAFC, TRADOC -total radar coverage of Nigeria, MI-35m Hind E, MI-17 terminator, Up-graded Super-Puma Helos, ASW assets, CH-3A, Tactical squad drones, Up-graded Alpha jets, Stealth ships, Advanced rifles fitted with state-of-the-art visions etc etc


Again you South-Africans are yet to prove how you have the most technologically advanced military in Africa.

You only use integrated data link that comes with a platform but you don't have tactical data link as well as multi-tactical network. So your claim is invalid.

Simple, we have tactical data link and you have none. We can link all our platforms in one intergrated system for effective command, control and communication and you can't. So that's how we are technologically superior than you and Egypt.


If one of your base is hijacked by BH other platforms see nothing and will only be aware of it after some troops manage to escape and deliver the massage through radios or in person. If one of your fighter jets or aircraft crashes, you see nothing and you won't even know where to look for it. If all your troops are killed, newspapers will inform you. You are operating in isolated units as well as Egypt.


Tactical data link and multi-tactical network is very important since military will have to do everything manually without it. NATO cannot share it with anyone since you will be able to spy their activities. SA is now the only country outside NATO that can penetrate LINK 11 apart from using their own indeginous LINK ZA.

agaugust:
Is data link a weapon? Egyptian Rafales will kill SANDF and kill all yõur datalink when 1.5 million soldiers surround yöur 50,000 SANDF tiny army.

Egypt with zero tactical data link will have difficulty in commanding their systems to finally achieve that which you are suggesting. It will take them years or even not materialise. SANDF has over 1.5 million rounds to kill all Egyptian troops remember.

agaugust:
Is data link a weapon?

Data link is the most important weapon. Yes.

Egypt might have the most powerful rafale but they do not have data link to connect it to other platform.



That means Egypt will be doomed fighting a country that has a complete data link.

mzilakazi:
Nigeria import military technology and can't even maintain it.

They cannot even integrate their technology because they have zero data link.

That's true, Nigeria does not have an integrated data link. Their fighter jets or battle ships will never know at any point in time where other hardwares are and what situation are they facing. That's why when they crash other platforms won't notice anything.

Henry240:
Garbage.... where is it in SAAF colours. Local client doesn't equal SAAF.

The local customer is by no doubt SAAF sir. No agency in SA can be given powers to operate military hardwares of that calibre unless is directly
linked to SANDF.

SA has the most advanced military technology on the continent. No one can despute it.

Anyone?

Henry240:
You do not have armed drones, only Nigeria has the capability to deploy operationally armed drones in SSA.

Denel/South Africa has armed drones which are by far superior than those that Nigeria has.

The.vehicle on the mid of your pictures is used by countries which are largely rural and their network is not developed such that network can only be restricted to a certain area only.

Last pic, SA has all that.


Nigeria has zero advanced defense industry competitive to the world.

Nigeria is busy pushing foreign investment away. Guiness Nigeria is fined $5.2 million.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/Beer-maker-sues-Nigeria-agency-over--5-2m-fine/-/1066/3008920/-/um70nz/-/index.html

agaugust:
Sure, Boko Haram now strikes in Chad,Niger Republique, and Cameroon MORE than in Nigeria. We have forced them to run outside Nigeria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-violence-chad-idUSKBN0U614M20151223

Most attacks in Nigeria is on soft target, innocent civilians in villages, or suicide bombing people in markets and bus stops. That is no war, that is the crime of terrorism, and no nation is free from crime.

Paris France and California USA are getting attacked too by terrorists today killing hundreds in Europe and America. Not only Nigeria, terrorists are now all over the world, it could be South Africa's turn like the Europeans are suffering now.

Boko Haram's war making machinery has been 99% destroyed by Nigeria, the war is over, what is left is tiny pockets of hit and run resistance.

Terrorists strike in America and France, so it's a global problem.

When you reduce and degrade an enemy from T-55 tank drivers to Motor Cycle riders, and you display his flag after capturing his HQ....You won ! Nigeria has won the war.

Nigerians are unhappy

https://www.naij.com/677512-nigerians-hope-boko-haram-knows-defeated.html


The topic that NA dare not to talk about.

105 dead after initially reported MIA.

agaugust:
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[size=16pt] South African Made Poor Quality REVA MK III MRAP Sold To Nigeria...

Fake MRAP Masters Builders Of Soweto Making Poor Quality Over-rated Product

We Won't Buy More From You, Nigeria Will Soon Start Buying Proudly Nigerian Made Proforce ARA MRAPs, And We will Soon Snatch Away The African and Asian Market Sales From Southies

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[size=20]There are many people who do not understand why do they say MRAPS provide protection against IEDs and Landmines. It does not mean that they are immune to IEDs or Landmine, it means that they save life during the blast and off course they will not escape unscathed, they will be broken down beyond repair depending on the impact of the blast.


Nigeria is a baby on the market of MRAPS, that's why Agaugust is oozing a total ignorance concerning what does it mean when they say MRAPS provide protection against IEDs. All MRAPS in the world will not escape unscathed when they can be hit by double portion of TNT and none of Nigeria's made MRAPS will even survive or even save life. In the world there is no MRAP that is immune to powerful IEDs and Mines not even the powerful tanks can stand tankmines.[/size]

agaugust:
This is Boko Haram war status quo SITREP as at today, current update of FACTS that hurt South Africans whose military has ZERO current war experience and ZERO record of modern war history fighting alone as a nation....go d.ie of envy dude
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We have heard that song many a times and we are starting to be accustomed to it. I will remind you soon when BH strikes again.

iblawi:
I can't remember anyone making sure claims before now.

We've heard that song many a times before.

agaugust:
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[size=13pt] War against Boko Haram largely won [/size]

Minister of Information, Lai Mohammed


NEWS AGENCY OF NIGERIA

The Minister of Information and Culture, Alhaji Lai Mohammed, on Wednesday said the Nigerian military had met the December deadline to defeat the Boko Haram terrorists.

The News Agency of Nigeria reported that the minister said this during his first meeting with editorial heads of media houses in Lagos.

Mohammed said, “Today, I can report that the war against Boko Haram is largely won. I can confidently say this because just recently, I led a group of 33 journalists from both the local and international media to the hot bed of the insurgency, that is, Maiduguri, Kondugua, Kaoure and Bama.



“Today, I can report to you that the entire 70 plus kilometres stretch from Maiduguri to Bama and all the way to Banki, which leads to Cameroun and the Central African Republic, are in the hands of our gallant troops.”

He explained that during his visit to Borno, presence of the military could be felt ”every few metres along the road” and that at a point, he and the group felt they were just a kilometre to Sambisa forest.

“They (the military) have so degraded the capacity of Boko Haram that the terrorists can no longer hold on to any territory just as they can no longer carry out any spectacular attack,” he added.

Mohammed, however, said that though there were still cases of suicide bombings, it was pertinent to note that such was the nature if insurgency globally.

‘Unlike a war between two armies, an insurgency never ends with arms victory,” he said. “Even in countries like Colombia where insurgency was supposed to have ended decades ago, attacks like this still happen.”

He said that the insurgents had adopted a new style of attacking soft targets like motor parks, schools, entertainment centres, religious centres, killing innocent people mostly women and children.

He, therefore, urged Nigerians to support the military in the fight against terrorism in the country.

“It is our turn as civilians to give them our support; to realise that the war they are fighting is not their war alone, but our war, hence we must own the war,” he said.

The minister disclosed that a national security campaign had commenced to raise awareness among Nigerians about the war, the sacrifices of our troops, and how to stamp out the remnant of the war.

“Jingles are being played on national radio and television as part of the campaign in order to keep the media better informed about the war, so that they can also better inform Nigerians,’’ he said.

Mohammed also said that an ad-hoc committee, comprising media representatives as well as intelligence agencies, would be inaugurated to regularly be updated about the war in order to better inform the public.

http://www.punchng.com/war-against-boko-haram-largely-won-lai-mohammed/

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Jeez!!! How many times have we heard that song? Hundred a times, I guess.

lezz:
This isn't what I asked. You claimed Mtn's decision to go to court surged up their stock. I asked you to show me proof that the decision to go to court made their Stoke gain.

I have provided you with sources from your own country which clearly stipulated that it was only after the NCC renewed mtn's licence that its stock rose. Below is the excerpt right from south Africa:


MTN offered some good news out of Nigeria on Tuesday, saying the authorities had renewed its licence for another five years.

After a torrid week, its stock rose 5% to close at R155.54 after the announcement.


http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/11/04/mtn-licence-renewed-but-penalty-still-an-issue

You are ducking and diving trying to change the facts.

I quote

Shares in the mobile operator little changed after company announces it would challenge $3.9bn penalty in Lagos court. Quote closed.

So said this source and various news in South Africa. From the same media house you quoted for me.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/12/23/nigeria-to-wait-for-mtn-court-case-outcome-before-enforcing-fine


You have been beaten bitterly and just admit that you are at fault for just once.

lezz:
Can you read your own statements? Taking a regulator to court is a matter of uncertainty at best and more troubles at worst. Shares and stocks don't grow when you have dispute with your landlord. Doesn't make sense.

Mtn shares only grew when NCC decided to renew its operating licence that's due to expire February.

Oya, I have submitted my source and excerpt to show this.

Show your hand, give me a direct source/excerpt which clearly says mtn stock grew BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO TAKE NCC TO COURT.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/12/23/nigeria-to-wait-for-mtn-court-case-outcome-before-enforcing-fine

I have flooded and overwhelmed you with sources that showed that five days ago MTN shares soared by 6.3% when it closed in JSE. The sudden rise was not due to renewal of licence but some different issues.

MTN shares gained 6.3% to R138.20 at the close in Johannesburg, the highest since December 3. That values the company at R255 billion.


http://m.news24.com/fin24/Tech/News/mtn-to-dispute-huge-nigeria-fine-in-lagos-court-20151217

lezz:
Trust me to _fuck you up any time of the day, minute of the hour :

MTN offered some good news out of Nigeria on Tuesday, saying the authorities had renewed its licence for another five years.

After a torrid week, its stock rose 5% to close at R155.54 after the announcement.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/11/04/mtn-licence-renewed-but-penalty-still-an-issue


N.B The source is from no where else but your own South Africa. One thing's clear; no South African here loves taking lessons or being proved wrong by a Nigerian

Now dance in circles for me.

The shares soared by 6.31% after they announced that they would take the matter to the court citing that the NCC had no powers according to the Nigerian communication Act to impose such a hefty fine.

lezz:
Mtn only regained 5% not 6%, and that's after Nigeria NCC renewed its licence for 5 years. Get the facts out.

I didn't know that MTN licence was renewed 4 days ago because MTN share market soared by 6.31% at JSE when it closed.


http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/12/18/mtn-takes-fight-over-nigerian-fine-to-court

http://saharareporters.com/2015/12/17/mtn-challenge-huge-nigerian-fine-lagos-court

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/12/mtn-to-challenge-huge-nigerian-fine-in-lagos-court/



Mr know-it-all who always get it wrong

A letter from a concerned Nigerian.


https://www.thecable.ng/ncc-fine-now-that-mtns-in-court

lezz:
Yes, mtn will survive if they leave the Nigerian market...that's the word, surviving, not living. It was a catastrophic, game-changing fall. Remember the CEO of mtn group had to resign due to the Nigerian fiasco.

With over 180 million customers and keeping their cash, they will live.

lezz:
be careful, only rumour of a fine by Nigeria regulatory body has pummelled mtn's shares down 16% totalling a loss of 50 billion rands. That's just a two day loss on the rumour that Nigeria isn't happy with you.


Now what do you envisage the life-long consequence would be if your largest subscriber base kicked you out permanently?

MTN regained 6% on its market value ever since the last fall. Read the news and keep up to date.

MTN will survive even if it leaves Nigerian shop and save itself its cash reserves, so said SA analysts. Their continued stay is risky and detrimental to the business. Nigeria's customer base is said to be the bigges in terms of its revenues but the fine will cancel all that. Even the smallest UGANDA will be said to have made more money than their biggest Nigerian counterpart. How will it help MTN?

lezz:
Angola says it defeated south African army, south African army says it defeated the Angolan army. Who's telling the truth?

Let's look at some key facts:h

1: the south aafrican military classified the details of that war for a very long time. Why the _fuck would I be hiding my victorious adventure? From whom? For what? Except I have something to hide.

2. South Africa pulled out of namibia and granted independence at Angola's request

3. South Africa called for negotiatiOns.

4. Two of your past presidents have made public pronouncement that contradicts every single account you have submitted here.

I think I have provided enough logic, facts and rational conclusions all backed by verifiable sources to put this point beyond debate.

Angola never said a thing. Cuba and Russia did the fighting.

However, South Africa claimed victory with only few casualties as compared to Cuba/USSR coalition.

lezz:
MTN pulls out of Nigeria, then the game changes. It will mark the beginning Of the end Of the group.

MTN has over 250 million subscribers. You can minus your 60 million customer base and MTN will survive.

What is the use? Because it is said that SA customers have so far contributed the largest profit. MTN Nigeria has been fined regularly since it arrived in Nigeria. It is very obvious that Nigeria is using it as a cash cow.

iblawi:
LAGOS — The Federal Government, yesterday, said it would neither be cowed nor threatened by MTN’s court action against the N1.4trn fine which was later reduced to N780 billion, insisting that the telecommunications company risks another fine if it fails to pay on deadline.
Minister of Communications, Mr Adebayo Shittu, made the statement yesterday in reaction to the suit instituted by the telecom operator at a Lagos High Court, weekend.
The minister, who spoke through his Special Assistant on Media, Mr. Victor Oluwadamilare, however, admitted that MTN had the right to seek court’s interpretation if it feels unsatisfied with the action of the regulator but made it clear that nothing would stop the government from imposing additional fine on the operator, at the expiration of the deadline.
According to the minister, “it is the right of MTN to approach the court but there was an infraction, which MTN admitted to have committed before it pleaded for leniency that led to the reduction of the fine from N1.4 trillion to N780 billion and the subsequent December 31, 2015 deadline to pay.
“If it has decided to go to court, it is still within the ambit of the law. I will not intervene, since they have gone to court, we will allow the court to decide if it is right for MTN to commit those infractions and breach the laws of the land.”
He, however, said that “it is unwise for MTN to go to court after the Federal Government had magnanimously reduced the fine. It will surely be fined for violating the rule at the expiration of the deadline, should it fail to pay the initial fine.”
Why we are in court —MTN
Meanwhile, MTN, yesterday, also insisted that its action was induced by commitment and belief in the long term sustainability of its business.
According to the company’s Human Resources & Corporate Services Executive, Amina Oyagbola, “the N780 billion fine has potentially dire consequences for the company, its employees, partners, stakeholders as well as the entire Nigerian telecommunications industry.
Being a significant contributor in Nigeria, MTN has an obligation to protect the interests of its ecosystem of millions of Nigerians who are directly and indirectly affected by its business operations and continuity.
According to Oyagbola, “the decision to seek judicial determination was reached after careful consideration of all factors, including extensive attempts at a sustainable resolution. It is important to state that seeking judicial determination was a last resort. We hold the Nigerian Government, its national objectives, laws and regulations in the highest regard.”
She, however, added that notwithstanding the action, the company will continue to engage with the Nigerian authorities in an effort to reach an amicable resolution in the interest of all stakeholders.
The NCC sanctioned MTN for refusing to remove over 5.1 million unregistered telephone subscribers from its network.
The regulator fined the telecoms operator N1.04 trillion, but later reduced it by 25 per cent after the intervention of President Muhammadu Buhari, amid pressure and negotiations from the company’s parent body in South Africa.
The NCC also reviewed the deadline from November 16 to December 31, 2015.
Ahead of that date, the MTN Group, last Thursday, said in a statement from Johannesburg, South Africa, that it was taking legal action over the matter and subsequently filed the suit at the weekend, lining up about six Senior Advocates of Nigeria, SANs.
According to the firm, since its previous advice to its shareholders on December 4, 2015 that all factors relating to the sanctions were thoroughly and carefully considered, including a review of the circumstances that led to the fine and subsequent reduction by NCC, there were enough grounds upon which to challenge the fine in court.
Claiming to act on legal advice, MTN queried the manner the fine was imposed, describing it as “not in accordance with the NCC’s powers

Actually what I see here is that MTN group wants to close down their Nigerian shop and now MTN Nigeria wants to save its skin. They will all lose their jobs and kiss them goodbye. All that is left is for them to fight and save their jobs.



http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/n1-4trn-fine-fg-calls-mtns-bluff-says-dec-31-deadline-subsists/