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kjhova:
You seem genuinely interested in this topic therefore I shall engage you further to comment on the points you raised. Caveat is, you gotta totally offload your emotions and research history from a purely detached viewpoint.

1) The Caliphate fell long after the southern Kingdoms. Don't take my word for it, just do a cursory google search on "British colonization of Nigeria". Also, common sense application of geography to military strategy will show that the British, who invaded from the Atlantic coast, will not flank unconquered enemy forces in the south to go on a conquest up north.

My friend, what should be is not always what it is. The fact is what we must hold onto and not theories.
Ijebu was the last Yoruba tribe to fall to the Brits. Conquered Hausa slaves helped the Brits achieve the conquest.

At the end of the Yoruba civil war, both Ibadan and Ekiti armies/peoples were independent. They surrendered to the Brits of their own accord to end the civil war. These are facts!

2) At the end of the Yoruba civil war in 1888 to the eve of the fall of Benin in 1896, none of these civilizations had writing and none was projecting war outside its territory. They were also both polytheist society with governments nowhere near as complex as the bureaucracy of the Caliphate.

And I pointed out that the reading and writing thingy was a form of Arabic cultural conquest of the caliphate. The skill wasn't their making.

Polytheist How? They were all traditional worshippers to the core.

As per conquests, present day Tapa people of Niger state used to be part of the Oyo empire. Yoruba is spoken as an indigenous language in parts of Niger state till tomorrow.
Same goes for present day Benin republic. At some point, they used to be part of the Oyo empire and later Benin kingdom.

Oyo empire ran a semblance of democracy as there was a parliament known as the Oyo Mesi to checkmate the Alaafin and his council.

3) For all effect and purpose, the Fulani jihad did force Hausa hegemony over much of the tribes of the Kaduna, Niger and Benue basin. Yes, the Caliphate did not outrightly subjugate these peoples, however, they had enough dominion amongst them to be able to spread their influence over them.

Sleep calls...later.

The Brits gave the caliphate whatever little dominion they seem to be having over the other northern tribes. It was never so ab initio. They never spoke Hausa as a first language until the colonisation happened.

It was all part of the British strategy of making the north 'one big Hausa' family indeed for the purpose of subjugation of the south.

You still haven't told me why the caliphate in Ghana wasn't accorded similar recognition.

For real

But she looked sad...

kjhova:
Dear friend, actually, @fk001 is right and you are not quite correct. Careful review of history always helps to mitigate the risk of emotional reviews.

When the British descended on Africa, they already had experience from colonial domination in the Arab world, Eurasia, Polynesia and the Americas. They had formed a system of categorizing the natives they encounter in their continued colonial conquest.

Below are the simple items on the civilization scale which guide British opinion of their newly conquered peoples:

a) religion - a monotheist society is superior to a polytheist one.

b) government - a more centralized govt with multiple provinces is superior to a decentralized tribal system.

c) literacy - a society that has developed writing and schooling system is superior to one with no written language or educational methods.

d) international relations - a society with evidence of contact with the outside world is superior to one with only local existence.

e) military - a society which can project war on its neighbours is superior to one with limited or no capacity for projection.

In all 5 counts, the Hausa emirates with Fulani overlords ticked all boxes while no ethnic society in the south came anywhere near close. The Caliphate has Islam as official religion, run a central government based in Sokoto, has the Ajami writing script along with Arabic, conducted Hajj's to Mecca and Medina annually and have relations with Morocco, Egypt, Arabia and the Othoman world and was running its own petty colonial conquest already in the Niger basin before the British defeated them.

From the above, it is clear that the British deferred to the Hausa's not because they were considered stupid. On the contrary, the British regarded the Northerners as more civilized than the rest of us.

To add, the North was conquered eventually when Sokoto and Gobir fell in war around 1910 which is anywhere between 15 to 50 years after most of the South had been subjugated and fully pacified. We cannot say therefore, that the northerners submitted to the Brits.

If Nigeria will move forward, we must all shed the petty emotional fables we were told by our ignorant grandfolks and find a way to bond together as a people to move us forward.

Nigeria is all we got and may we not end up like Syria someday!

As true as your post attempts to be, it has a number of errors.

1. The north fell long before the south. As a matter of fact, the Yorubas were the last to fall. The unending Yoruba civil war made it even easier. Also the Ijebus resisted the Brits who fought them mainly with Hausa and other Yoruba soldiers until they no longer could.

2. Oyo empire and Bini kingdom meet all the criteria you suggested above save for the Ajami/Arabic reading and writing method. This itself is a product of cultural conquest by the Arabs. It wasn't of their making, the caliphate.

3. The caliphate couldn't conquer all of the north - Southern Kaduna, Plateau, Benue, Kogi etc Ilorin is a peculiar case.
Whatever conquest they have over other northern tribes today was awarded them by the Brits who actually enforced the idea of one monolithic Hausa north. All northern tribes were forced to learn and speak Hausa.

4. How come the northerners of fellow West African countries didn't meet same criteria for special recognition cum relationship?
Ghana also has significant Hausa Fulani population yet the Brits didn't give them the special treatment meted out to their Nigerian counterparts.

Bannylove13:
Forget all those pschy talk from Yorubas..

Is the voice of losers...and the know...

Come to Abuja and feel the heat..or visit any northern state..
Even the talakwas are off Buhari tail... The move around with their rubber plates and still no food..
The hunger no be here..and no be intergroup they wan chop.

Is only the Southwest media and BMC that keep harmmering on Buhari's integrity as selling point..

Or you think the north is blind to ganduje babariga video.. they all have it on their phones..

Southwest is trying very hard to promote Southwest presidency with doubting believe that if Buhari wins ..power will go tinubu or Osibanjo..
But funny..it's only the Southwest is promoting such and nursing such..

No other part of Nigeria is with them..from the south to core north..
Is their imagination..Noise .. propaganda..

Even if Buhari wins in 2019.. I will gurrantee you..going by today's statistics..a Yoruba man cannot win Nigeria president.

Igbo naturally have that advantage in today's Nigeria.. fact..
They might come on my mention to argue ..and curse.. but that's the pure fact.
Staying somewhere in the west, without venturing out to other parts of the country .

Nigeria is wiser now..
Jonathan presidency did rearrange things so much.. politically n otherwise..
He lost...but Nigerians won..

The worst the Igbos can do in 2023 is support a northerner with an Igbo running mate on the platform of PDP.

And they will still lose like Tofa did.

Anything else

ashjay001:
Look like Linda as how


If to say dem no tell us him papa sef, na now we for confirm who him be

You are right.

The father's genes are very strong.

It was flawless victory for him - gender and resemblance.

K

fk001:
In every gathering there are positive and negative influence, just that the western illiteracy level is so obvious in the northern part of the country that doesn't mean that there are no illiterates in the south.



BTW what do you mean by illiterate?


Illiteracy is not all about how to speak or write in English, as far as you can read and write whether in Hebrew, Chinese, Arabic or French you are not an illiterate.


I guess it is still a mystery to you on how the British back then prefer to relate with northerners than Easterners.


When the British came to Nigeria, the North already knew how to read and write in Arabic while their Eastern counterpart were working naked.

Because the northerners were quick to accept them as superiors and bow to their whims and caprices.

Chikena!

ezenwajosh:
wow when you thought u've seen it all

Lame retort...

Uppercut!

OkaNaUbe:
And a fool like you does not know that if Igbos in Lagos vote for PDP, they might win? Kid, go and read your books.

Are you a dulllardd Who did they vote massively for 2015 Didn't the party and candidate still lose

Empty chest beating chimps everywhere.

Warship:
You are free to be delusional with facts.

Awolowo committed suicide after his failed coup attempt.

I have already addressed that. Read the post again and slowly.

Even Adolf Hitler committed suicide.

Anything else

Damn!

Yet they lost 3million in a needless war.

If only Ojukwu had taken wise counsel from Awolowo!

It's okay.

Serves Igbinkunle Amosun right.

This issue again

Now you become an ibo candidate.

You've lost!

Herbalists have now turned pastors

What

Nice pictures

Fulani herdsmen

They must not get away with it!

zlantanfan:
The irony of the whole thing is that these same people are even supposed to be very skeptical about investing in another man's region because sooner or later all this their instability and foolishness would bear new fruits and those acquisition would go like 1967 and heavens won't fall

They usually wind up their investment eventually.
They don't believe in leaving inheritance for their children.

Arrant nonsense!

Well, we are now talking about him...

A pigiyeasternr or an impostor decides to create a daft post to rile Yorubas up or set them up against Igbos, and many are taking it personal.

The looonatic op should just have been ignored.

Lagos is more Yorubaland today than it was 50 years ago. Fact!

Great

Great
The ideal inter tribal marriage scenario and not the other way round...

Though it may sound petty, the name of the spokesperson is not good for Jimi Agbaje at this time.
Too bad!

WritePal:
So tell us about Osun, Oyo, Ogun that your tribal parties, AD and ACN ruled? Why are you all obsessed about Lagos which was FG property and developed by SS oil money for 40 years?

Most parts of current Lagos state including Ikeja used to belong to the old Western region.

Uninformed kids everywhere...