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Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 7:56am On Mar 05, 2020

fieryy:
This has to be by far one of the most stupid threads I've ever stumbled up upon here.

Beautiful, please help us put meaning into the thread. What's your stand

Crime › Re: America On Shekau Matter by Firstnebo(op): 7:48am On Mar 05, 2020

dawnomike:
You took all my thoughts straight out in this article... There is a conspiracy somewhere

Hmmm. Let's be watching o.

So what do you think, are Shekau's days numbered?

Crime › America On Shekau Matter by Firstnebo(op): 7:36am On Mar 05, 2020

Now that there's news about America placing a bounty on Shekau's head all over the nation now, some questions really need to be asked.

If America will be given as huge as ₦2,520,000,000 (two billion five hundred and twenty million naira) for an information to capture Shekau, does it mean that Nigerian government did not want to capture him? Because as we know, they have come in contact with countless former Bokoharam fighters (Which they now allege are "repentant" ). Could Nigeria not obtain this information from them?

Second question, because of this huge bounty on Shekau's head, who first do you think would be clamouring for the win? Nigerian Government? Nigerian Army? "Repentant" fighters? Regional Governments in North? Regional police outfits in North? Opposing religious fighters in North? Many of these have enough information about this guy tucked away. Will they now want to go for this money?

When I saw the news about American government offering bounty for Shekau. I was just thinking what could be going on in the minds of the real terrorists at the big Rock?

Besides, something tells me that America has already found Shekau. They are just doing the necessary diplomacy to win the support of Nigerians before they strike

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 11:05pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
What does it matter?
You came here looking for questions, and now questions have been dished out, and you're asking irrelevant questions...
I'm here to question your belief, that's all...

Okay then. Your question was why is there a need for repentance if there was no punishment?

Well. That question itself is flawed because it's based on false premise. You presumed that because there is no hellfire, then there is no punishment, but that's not the fact.

The fact is that life itself is a gift from God. If you do what he asks of you, you will enjoy the life (even be given everlasting life, which means you will not die). But if you disobey, that gift which is life will be taken away from you and you die.

If a father promises his son a brand new bicycle if he does well at school. If the child does well, he gets the bicycle, if he didn't work hard and fail, he is denied the bicycle. That would be his punishment. Does the child need to have his fingers cut off to stand as additional punishment?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:55pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
No wonder children have been dying from cancer and other various diseases, because God choose to turn a blind eye.... Doesn't sound to me like an all loving God, don't you think?

When God instructed Adam and Eve, he told them that disobedience would mean death. It's not God's fault that death and suffering affects children too.
But because he is a loving God, he has already made out a way for us to be free of sin, sickness, and death. It's called God's government (God's kingdom).

The Bible said "no resident will say: 'I am sick.' The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error." (Isaiah 33:24)

When God finally removes human government, brought about when Adam did his own thoughts rather than God's, and replaces it with his own perfect government, no more sickness, suffering, or death.

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:47pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:

I'll save this post for later...
Most Christians will disagree with you though, shows how confused ya'll are...
Besides, what's the Point of trying to get people to repent since there's no punishment or repercussions for one's sin?

Before I answer, I will like to know, are you asking this question because you believe in hellfire, or are you asking because what I am saying is a new thing to you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:29pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
The fictional place where all sinners are punished.

You keep dodging my questions and mentions, yet you claim you're ready to engage...

The Bible did not teach that there is a hell fire where God punishes people for eternity. Just as you called it, it's a fictional place created in the minds of false religious teachers.

Hell fire is not the teaching of the Bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:27pm On Mar 04, 2020

Bacteriologist:
Aren't you the same person arguing for god being the first cause?

If god is the FIRST cause, does it not follow that everything else came from him?

Logically, if god is indeed the first cause, everything came from him.

If there are certain things outside his control then he's not the first cause. As there's some other thing dictating what happens. You're the one limiting your God's properties and power. Not my problem.

If god chooses to not know everything for even a split second. Then god is not ALL-knowing. How difficult is that? Let me try again.

If god chooses to not appear somewhere at any point in time. Then god is not OMNI-present.

The concept of "OMNI" means "ALL" the time.

It seems you lot just throw words around without understanding the actual meaning of them. Hmmm sounds familiar... Let me guess...indoctrination?

That's another flawed analogy. That clearly shows you have a limited understanding of omniscience.

Someone knowing how to sing does not translate to omniscience.

Omniscience would be, for example, knowing what would happen EVERY time you sang. And/Or knowing the exact times you would sing and what the environment would be like, the number of people present, each time you were singing..

Is this your best?

2/10. Try harder.

Let us take it one by one. (1) That Adam and Eve sinned and we their children are now suffering is not out of God's control. For what is worth, God is not suffering, but we the children of the disobedient two. God has set up a way through Jesus Christ to end our suffering permanently. It's called God's government ."Our father in heaven, let your kingdom (government) come"

(2) The Bible tells us that God has the ability to know everything, not that he actually chooses to know everything. For example, when the report reached him in heaven that Sodom and Gomorrah have sinned to the maximum degree, he said "let me go down to verify these reports". Which means he chooses not to exercise that power prior to that.

(3) You talked about omnipresent. The Bible does not say that God is omnipresent. Which means everywhere at the same time. No, the Bible said that God is in heaven. Jesus said "you must pray then this way, our father in heaven". God cannot be everywhere, which would mean he is also at the thousands of brothels around the world where people are committing different kinds of sins.

(4) Omniscient means that God can do anything he wants to do. The keys words is at "he wants to do". God cannot be doing everything just because he can do it. That would mean he has no control over his abilities

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:12pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:

Mad o...
See excuse...

lol.

But it made sense. Right?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:10pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
Did God know we would abuse the free will given to us and sin against him?
If he knew, why didn't he prevent the outcome?

Another question. Does God know the exact people and amount of people that would end up in hell and heaven?

Please clarify me what you mean by "hell"

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 10:04pm On Mar 04, 2020

Bacteriologist:
So let's assume there was a first cause.

So what? Does that mean Yahweh did it? As far as I'm concerned it could have been
1. Olodumare
2. Allah
3. Odin
4. Thor
5. Spiderman
6. The flying spaghetti monster
7. Sango
8. Santa Clause
9. Buddha
10. Shiva
11. Vishnu
12. Zeus
13. Kratos
14. Ogun
15. Amadioha
16. Satan
I could go on to 4000 really...

You would still have to show how there being a first cause automatically means your god is real or that he did it?

Good luck with demonstrating that.

Thank you very much my dear. That there is a first cause doesn't mean that my God Yahweh is the first cause. It could have been any of these gods you listed.

But yet my Yahweh produce a sacred book which shows that he is this First Cause. A kind of book that these other gods cannot provide.

And some of them that has tried, are either copying my Yahweh, or documenting outdated superstitious beliefs of their ancient adherents.

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:56pm On Mar 04, 2020

Bacteriologist:
Wrong analogy. A car manufacturer is not all-knowing.

An all-knowing entity, on the other hand, KNOWS what you will do. Including if YOU will disobey him.

He KNOWS EVERYTHING you will do right from you when you were born. He knew I will become an Atheist.

A free-willed creation and an all-knowing god cannot coexist.

If your god is all-knowing, free will does not exist. As we're all just acting out what he pre-knew.

If free will exists, then your god is not omniscient.

Choose one.

Do you mean that all knowing = all causing?

That God has the ability to know everything, does it mean that he must cause everything?

Does the fact that God has the ability to know everything mean that he uses that ability everything single minute?

If a person knows how to sing very well, do you expect him to sing every minute of his life? Would he not be considered mad? So that God has the ability to know everything, are you saying he doesn't have the ability to restrict how he uses and applies it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:49pm On Mar 04, 2020

LordReed:
Proved science has agreed with no such thing. Science has not concluded that there is a first cause, you can show a published scientific journal to the contrary.

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:43pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
Another question...
Did God know that Adam would disobey him before creation?

A car manufacturer knows there is a possibility the car may break down and there is a possibility the car will last the test of time, yet he makes it because it needed to be made.

God created us with freewill, not as robots. So there's a chance we will abuse the free will and act against him. But because he is almighty, he has a way to put us back on the right path.(for example, he sent Jesus to pay the price for the sin of Adam.) Just like the vehicle manufacturer has spare parts for any broken part

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:29pm On Mar 04, 2020

LordReed:
I am expecting either yes I need god to tell me or no I don't need a god to tell me because that is how simple the question is. Why are you dodging off to these other things? Was it not you said we should take it one step at a time? Can you now answer the question straight forward?

Remember that the comment I made that prompted you to ask the question in the first place is where I said that God prophesied that in out time there will be increase of diseases. Then you asked why I need God to tell me that an increase of population would mean an increase of diseases.

Then my answer is: 1) why should it be so since theory of evolution would have us believe we evolve upwards.
2) another answer is that we wouldn't be facing diseases today if Adam had not taken us away from under God's rulership

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:21pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
But how do you know your god is the creator?
Because I'm sure they also believe their God is the creator of the universe.
Now tell me, don't you think you'd have believed their god to be the true god if you were born into their belief, tradition, culture and background?
Do you think you'll be here preaching about the Christian God?

The reason I know is simple. There are religious books to help me understand who God is actually. And the Bible has proving to be the only one that stood the test of time and the test of science.

About whether I would not have believed their gods is the true one if I was born amidst them. The answer is that there are thousands born among them who have actually now learnt about God and are now worshipping the true one.

Personally, I was born a Catholic and worshipped as such until I learnt the truth about the true God from the pages of the Bible. So I can as well been able to be open minded enough to search for the truth

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:13pm On Mar 04, 2020

LordReed:
The question again: Do you need a god to tell you that as population grows, disease incidences would have greater statistical occurrence with higher significant outcomes?

The answer is why are people not living diseases free since evolution Said we are evolving upwards?

Then another answer is that if Adam and Eve have not listened to Satan and removed us from under God's rulership, no matter how many the earth's population is, would would be diseases free

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:08pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
In summary, there can not be a product without a creator, right?
Okay.
Now let's just assume that this God exists.
Who created this God?

Proved science has already agreed there must be a First Cause. Though they have tried to give the first cause an inanimate explanation.

They base their conclusions in their findings that the earth actually had a beginning. So what's that First Cause?

The Bible answers "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 9:05pm On Mar 04, 2020

LordReed:
This is not an answer to the question I asked. Answer that first, then we can then talk about evolution and what we can predict from it.

If people lived as God intended them to live, under his command rather than under human government, the earth would be so clean and so orderly there won't be any diseases

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:56pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
Yes I'm asking you if you acknowledge the existence of other gods asides your religion...

Yes. Their gods exist. But they are not who they think they are.

1 Corinthians 10:19, 20: "What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils [demons], and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:48pm On Mar 04, 2020

LordReed:
Can you objectively show that there were more earthquakes in recent times than in the past?

Do you need a god to tell you that as population grows, disease incidences would have greater statistical occurance with higher significant outcomes?

You need a god to convince you that killing is bad?

If according to the theory of evolution species are shedding their less useful parts for more needed parts, why are we not developing more resistance for bacterias and viruses instead of becoming increasingly susceptible to attacks by different versions of them?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:44pm On Mar 04, 2020

LordReed:
Can you objectively show that there were more earthquakes in recent times than in the past?

Do you need a god to tell you that as population grows, disease incidences would have greater statistical occurance with higher significant outcomes?

You need a god to convince you that killing is bad?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:33pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
One question.
Do you believe the Indian god exists?

Thank you very much for this question.

Now let's narrow it down to clarify what you meant. There are many Indians that are true Christians, so are you asking me whether I believe that their God, (which happens to be my God), exist?

In another angle there are many Indians who don't worship the God I believe is the true God. These one may pay allegiance to who they may believe is the true God or gods. (Which I do not believe in). So are you asking whether I believe their God or gods exists because they are different from mine?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:23pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
Bro I'm talking about physical evidence.
I'm sure you're mature enough to understand my post.
I'm talking about physical proof which can be proved without doubt.
I'm not talking about stories written in a book.
Anyone can write stories and pass them off to be real.

The Bible is not physical enough for you? Or the increase in diseases and earthquakes in this our time as prophesied by the Bible is not physical enough for you? And the proliferation of dubious religious organisations as prophesied by the Bible for our time nko?

The fact that a former community that used to sacrifice their twins decided to change that tradition because of learning additional things about God from the Bible, is it physical enough for you?

Or are you still doubting because God exists in a form that cannot be directly seen by men? Have you seen the air before? Why do you believe it exists?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:07pm On Mar 04, 2020

RealMrNigerD:
Here's a better way to understand my point. There are so many pointers to the existence of a God that can not be taken for granted and ignored, you can't disprove these pointers, yet you want to believe there's no God. For the unicorn, there's no pointer to its existence for now. Then again, don't forget the second part of my question, to prove evolution.

Thank you my brother. There is more evidence in proved science to support the Bible than the evidence to support evolution.

For example Science has now agreed all human race can be traced to a single ancestor. Something they can't say about the ape family!

I like the question you posed to him. What is his evidence that the world came about by evolution?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 8:01pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
Well for starters, there's no logical proof of its existence. How about that?

There are more than proofs. For starters the existence of the Bible is a clear evidence there's a God.

A God who not only knew how the world started, but even prophesied many things were are witnessing today with our own eyes. (And that was thousands of years back).

There are many things the world wouldn't know today if there was no Bible. There are information about the world than can only be detailed by the Bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 7:55pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
How can you prove that something doesn't exist when there's no proof of its existence in the first place? Does your statement sound logical to you?
Okay let me ask you...
Can you prove to me that Unicorns which sh!ts rainbows doesn't exist?

Well, unlike for unicorns, many people from every single era of human history have been killed, maimed, attacked, and imprisoned because of religion.

In every single era of human history! How many have died for unicorns shitting rainbow? You think thousands of people of all ages would give up their lives for what they hadn't seen its effect?

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge To Nairaland Atheists by Firstnebo(op): 7:50pm On Mar 04, 2020

kingxsamz:
You want them to prove that your belief is false with logical explanation, whereas you yourself are unable to prove that it's real.
You're a joke....

Tell me one reason why you feel it ain't real, let's start from there. Just one

Health › Re: Coronavirus: The Charlatan Of An American Nurse by Firstnebo(op): 5:16pm On Mar 04, 2020

She knows she has bronchitis. So she included it in her fear mongering story, so that when the authority calls her up on her false narrative, she would say "Now I finally confirm it was my bronchitis, I just needed to make sure".

Health › Coronavirus: The Charlatan Of An American Nurse by Firstnebo(op): 5:05pm On Mar 04, 2020

The story currently on the FrontPage about an American health care worker who wanted to get tested for a possible infection of the novel Coronavirus but is not able to get to a test facility is a pure hogwash.

(See the link to the article
https://www.nairaland.com/5718459/americans-experience-trying-get-tested)

She is a pure democratic political charlatan. Ọnye oshi. Oloriburuku

Look at her concluding remarks:

To sum up: this is not contained. No one knows what the f*ck is happening. I can’t work. WASH YOUR F*CKING HANDS.

Does she sound to you like a person who is suspecting whether she is carrying a possible dead-dealing virus? Or does she sound like a pure cry cry liberal democrat activist? You be the judge.

Health › Re: Iraq Announces First Coronavirus Death by Firstnebo: 4:48pm On Mar 04, 2020

kendrick93:
Corona virus kills mostly the elderly and those with weak immune system....
So those with health issues like cancer or severe health conditions are at risk..
Any child below 9 years of age is safe too.
Take an example if Buhari for instance gets infected he's a gonna unfortunately....

Should we term it unfortunately?

Politics › Re: Yahaya Sharif-Aminu: Protest In Kano Over "Blasphemy Against Prophet Muhammad" by Firstnebo: 4:34pm On Mar 04, 2020

imolile:
If only they knew that any time they murder people as commanded by this wicked religion of lust, vice and wickedness, the Dead man over whom they protest is twice punished in Hell. If only they know

This is too funny. Lols.

But you know there's no hell. Right?

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