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sod09:
how is ox better than he was at arsenal and also vela.
Can you prove how they improve

Did you follow Ox when got to Liverpool before the injury? Was the performance same as with Arsenal?
Did you follow Carlos Vela and Griezman at Soceidad?

BlueRayDick:
A certain Walcott never got better sha.

Walcott improved in so many areas till wanting to play CF/RW and injuries marred him..He started running from tackles and got lazy..We should have sold him in 2016.

Many had gone to be better players, Gnabry,Oxlade,Benaccer,Vela and few more others, it can be argued they grew in lesser leagues and that shows how fans expectations and pressure makes development a bit hard especially among top teams in England...

I'm not saying nuture them for 10 yrs nor offload them asap like some fans wish, but stirring the middle lane like we did for Iwobi.

Dreamswayne:
If there is one thing Guendouzi needs to learn, it's positioning!!!



Can't he be taught??

You think its one thing he should learn? I along with some fans feels they are about 68 things

I think some things are inborn, Auba's positioning looks natural and not learned, just like so many players with personal characteristics..

Maybe those in that dept feels it isn't needed, or he's been taught but haven't yet mastered

Good thing he's still at the stage he can learn, just like Niles, Bellerin,Holding,Martinelli and other youngsters.

sod09:
Against Chelsea at the super cup they played from the back , torreira would have been our kante because Chelsea played LFC that day. Their midfield is always shít if they don't use keita. Our problem when playing from back is the player collecting ball will face Leno not seeing what is going on at his back to think of the next free player

You don't mean it

I almost shed tears for khafy, this is hard mehn

Please I don't want Dianne and Frodd gone

If your heart is racing say hi

solomonbrown64:
.... Newcastle frustrated Tottenham today sha. Serious frustration. I expect a cracker of a derby next weekend. We might have played conservatively against Liverpool but surely not against Tottenham. We might not see Monreal against them as he might be sold before then. Another problem for Emery if that happens.

... So it's going be Never won the Champions League Vs Never won anything next week...

Teams like Newcastle after having spent that much, won't respect you because you are a big team I said this league isn't the hardest in the world for nothing..

Not all 3 points will be easy, gone are those days big teams roll over the mid tables..

I'm sure Poch would have preferred 3 points to domination..

Even Burnley nearly won at Wolves
Every game should be like a final, 3 points 1st before anything else.

Ask utd fans what they felt from Palace.

Tottenham not finding it easy.
Someone break Son's leg ahead of Nl derby.

None of our players got the least of Liverpool's 7?
Well, we'll revenge at the Emirates

Spurs next.

kokanepyramid:
Ceballos was played out of position,

the forwards should have been Auba, Laca, Pepe
midfield Xhaka Ceballos Torreira

No doubt a good line up, but its 80% going to be a cricket score.

kokanepyramid:
Correct me if I’m wrong. How do you plan on sitting back and at this same time be playing tiki taka from the back? that’s suicidal against any team talk more of Liverpool.
To sit back u must be ready to hit on the counter, to hit on the counter you need fast players to transit from defense to attack. What does Emery do, field Xhaka that’s slow, partners him with Guen that’s slow and holds the ball more than necessary. Reason you always see Pepe and Auba miles away from them.

Reason I asked the other day what tactics is Emery playing, from the conversation and what I’ve seen he was using the wrong personnel for his tactics. It wasn’t about blaming Guen as some here understood. What I meant was that midfield pairing wasn’t suitable for the system he planned to operate. It can only work in a tiki taka team. All players can’t fit into every system. It’s like using Cech to play from the back, it’s suicidal but it doesn’t mean Cech is a bad goalie but does he fit such system that plays from the back the answer is NO everyday.

I think he wanted to kickstart our attack from the back , then sit back,choke spaces when we don't have the ball..

To fast counter truly we need fast players, 2 or 3 players fast players around Auba will do, only Pepe looked fast and good for it..
Guen,Xhaka and Willock aren't very fast midfielders, Ceballos wasn't online at all, Niles and Monreal also aren't fast enough for Mane,Sallah,Arnold and Robertson.. Maybe Bellerin and Tierney could have been more suited.

Fast players are for Anfield.

MrDojo:
During Klopp's first season we could see the style of play he wanted, right? Can we say the same for us? Well, maybe you can see it, but I honestly can't.

This is not an attack. I'm truly curious.

We saw Klopp's style at Dortmund, We saw Emery at Sevilla and PSG..
It could be he's trying a new model,Players not fitting his style, changing methods for diff oppositions..

Top Coaches do change the way they approach games, Pep used 3 at the back against us, used 442 sometimes with Aguero and Jesus upfront..

Klopp didn't press spurs in the final, he allowed them the ball and relied on counter.

By the end of his 2nd year, we should be able to draw conclusions now that he has 65% of his players.

Jencejyde:
Play like that against Spurs or even Wolves or Leicester and we will lose. This mentality of sitting back is very un-arsenal. How on earth can you allow so much space for the opposing team to play around in the midfield. Credit goes to the attitude Klopp has instilled in the Liverpool players. Whether it be Salah or Mane or Firmino, as much as they have attacking impetus, they also DEFEND from the front and Help their fullbacks. I saw Henderson shouting at Mane when they were 3 nil up to cover Robertson when Pepe wanted to start running at Him. I can't remember how many time Auba or Pepe helped the fullbacks albeit the formation was weird. Willock and Guen were just made to overwork, they had no business protecting the wings when they were assigned a primary role in the midfield. Liverpool just went from coast to coast with ease. I really do not understand what emery is trying to instill here. Even Sarri (former Chelsea coach ) Knew what he wanted and played his style regardless of whatever anyone thought. Playing 4 3 3 one day and 3 5 2 the next and 3 4 3 the next just does not sit well with me. We need an identity in the way we play. heck if we are gonna get beaten with an identity then so be it but at least lets always be compact in our play. If we play like this against even Norwich, they will win. The Premier league is un-forgiving and big teams must always show their dominance. Credit to Crystal Palace on their away performance at United. That was simply brilliant

Bro, I expect this kind of performance at the Etihads again, The mentality of sitting back is unArsenal truly, but not in this era,That was during the early Wenger days when we had one of the best attacking side in Europe.. City sat back last time at Anfield, it was tactical, individual errors and chance missed cost us..

At the bolded, That's one more area Liverpool edge us, they have established front3 of 3 yrs, we only have RW (Pepe) and CF( Auba/Laca)..

Also Firmino and Mane drops deep and helps defence, Only Laca defends here.

We'll get there hopefully, klopp's project is almost 5yrs, while Emery's still 1 year plus.

Keky:
Those that said they failed to see Emery's tactics in this game are blind. Chances came when Robertson and TAA overlapped because we played narrow defensively. We dealt with most of the crosses we forced them to play and countered with Xhaka being the supplier to Pepe & Auba .
The tactical plan was sound. Need to take your chances and two individual mistakes ruined the plan. I’m very critical of Emery but I don’t think today was on him.

Your head is correct, na the same thing we been dey yarn...
They resorted to cross and nod, the game could have been similar to that 0-2 Chelsea with Gerrard's slip.

If we'd gone to attack them, its sure gon be a cricket score, if Auba had scored that volley, I'm sure Liverpool will crack, they'll commit more bodies forward and that'll be their undoing.

solomonbrown64:
... Lol, like Ozil and Ramsey wasn't there when Liverpool and Chelsea were steamrolling us 6 something. Wenger isn't a coach too na?

.... Where was Laca and Auba and Torreira when we were embarrassed at the final last season? I will take a pragmatic 3 - 1 than serious thrashing in the name of being an attacking team. Unto the next one.

Emery no want media attention this week, he knew they were going to be busy on utd and Solkjer,

1-2 loss to palace go get more headlines than 3-1 to European champions..

Its still this same fans that will call for his sack and call him Wenger 2.0, you'd seen stuffs like, where's the mental strength, Rubbish our transfer activities and put unrest in the dressing room.

The most important thing is win all the easier games, try and get at least draw on tough 4/5 grounds and forget anything at Etihad and Anfield. But they will call me a pessimist.

solomonbrown64:
..... Ceballos didn't come to the party at all. He had 42 touches all game. It was a woeful performance. I think Emery should have thrown caution to the wind and started Mkhi. He is better at that Position than Ceballos. But if he didn't start Ceballos today, the fans would have had a similar meltdown like now.

.... Auba had 32 touches while Pepe had over 50. Auba too was missing today.

... The midfield sat deep to protect Xhaka and protect the fullbacks. It was double load on the youngsters, they don't have the stamina for that. I am surprised that some of our fans can be so biased and blind to see what was truly happening on the field.

I hated that we faced Liverpool too early, poor Ceballos that's still settling jejely, they showed him fire at Anfield, Torreira looks better now on that ground, Na all of them gather suffer last year..

Even the Ozil,Xhaka, Ramsey they mentioned, chop several cricket scores together, abeg let's hear word, I'll rather be patient with this kids than those scammers.

solomonbrown64:
... You dey mind them. One loss like this, they will come and start typing nonsense wey no get head. When we told them it's too early to play Liverpool last week, they called us fake fans, now our prediction came to pass, they have turned the table around and rambling nonsense. Analysing football without bias is a big problem on this thread. It's why people prefer commenting on other teams thread

I dont see the point in being “brave” if you are in reality just getting slaughtered. When we have done well away against big teams, we played more compact. It’s fun in theory to think a wide open game will mean we win, but we’ve already seen how that goes because Wenger has done it so many times and failed so many times.

The above is fans opinion that explains it more, I noticed Chelsea, utd and Spurs keep it tight and lose honourably against superior teams. Wenger's philosophy of we are an attacking team, go out and play them was the reason for our cricket scores...

What I hate the most is trashing 5-1, 6-0 haba, it dents confidence and affects team's psychology. I hate seeing - minus on our goal difference.

sod09:
no body said we will beat them but this LFC team today lookef very matchable, how can you blame luiz for any of the goals when the midfield were on ghost mode it was a free way from their defence to our own defence yet you blame luiz. It's no rocket science torreira came in and stabilise the midfield klopp was forced to remove giji cos torreira will press and contain him.
Nawa o

They only looked matchable with our tactics, we made their attack ordinary and defence prone to counters, I dey you if we had attacked them, it will be 5 in our net, you don't allow mane and Sallah to run at Anfield, they ill kill you, is it Niles or Montreal that'll survive their pace?

This was mourinho's tactics those days in big away games, he either gets his result or lose honourably he allows you dominate him, but his deadly forwards will kill the game off,unfortunately Our forwards blundered it..

Our midfielders sat too deep and we had no attacking player among them, only ceballos and he didn't look sharp today.

Though Torreira is sharper and better than the rest,he should have been brought on earlier on.

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solomonbrown64:
.... I honestly don't know what some of them were expecting. Complete domination of a team that destroyed Barca and won the UCL? Common! Give the man time.

Help me ask how the following midfileders faired Vidal,Rakitic,Verrati Rabiot,Marquihos busquet at Anfield

Abi Neymar,Cavani,Di maria and Mpabbe no chop big L outaa Anfield?

Messi nko? Suarez and coutinho see say Anfield don change gidigba pass how them leave there..

Na then you come expect Xhaka,Guendozi,Willock to do wonders?
We never reach that level, we still dey in progress jare

MrDojo:
So you think we played well? Forget, even of Pepe scored his one one one, Liverpool will still equalize and score 2 or 3 more. How do I know? History tends to repeat itself in this match.

For kickoff until Liverpool were done tormenting them, Arsenal did not look like a team that could do anything.

Or have you forgotten that our so called chances came from individual mistakes from Liverpool players, and not tactics (Andrian panic clearance, Henderson failing to clear the ball).

Well, you have your opinion, and mine is that they played utter nonsense.

Mistake is part of football, They also scored from Luiz's 2 mistakes.. they couldn't break us down, they resorted to cross and nod.
Bro, This is Anfield where they haven't lost in years, you can't expect us to go at them, dominate and create Chances like we are against Brighton, we purposely allowed them the ball, and hoped pepe, Auba and Ceba would finish things off..

Had Pepe and Auba scored those goals, Liverpool will crack, Arnold and Robert will be so high up and that gives our front 2 space to bury them off. Unfortunately, they spurned the chances..

Also ceballos couldn't connect with our forwards, Liverpool pressed and muscled him a lot, Matteo and Willock, though tried but aren't for Anfield and ain't used to each other.

MrDojo:
Only the reincarnation of saint or an utter fool would think we can win at Anfield. However, no arsenal fan wanted to watch the same nonsense again. Did they swear for us? Me that don't have UEFA coaching license, I knew want to and not to do before the game (at least on terms of line up). Emery chose the cowardly route, and his very much to blame, as well as the players. In fact, his tactics made it difficult for the players.

Another thing, remember when we were discussing about Auba? This match just showed the thing I hate most about the guy, he misses too many chances (granted they were half chances).

Auba is another Ozil on away big games, its not against Liverpool you use him on the flanks, didn't threaten Arnold nor offered protection for Montreal.
I'm thinking Emery doesn't like Lava.

solomonbrown64:
..... The usual reactionary actions from the fans as usual. You want to beat Klopp at Anfield? What better teams like Barcelona and Mancity couldn't do. Wenger couldn't even beat this man. We really need to be realistic as fans. It's good to be optimistic but outright delusion shouldn't be curtailed.

..... One match lost. Calm the fvck down.

Abi no be this same klopp sent Mourinho packing and rendered him jobless

Na utd fans I dey pity, by the time they pounce on them, Solskjer's sack letter will be dished to him at half time on that ground.

Roland17:
But Liverpool dey play ball sha. They know when to apply and relax the press, build from the back and concede possession.

This is just the truth, you think its easy to be unbeaten in 2 yrs on that ground, the best way is to sit back,counter and utilize the few chances that will happen..Auba and pepe didn't bury those and we were punished.
They should ask PSG,Barca, city,Napoli etc why despite their quality attackers couldn't do jack there..
This is not a ground you attempt to control, you just take your chances..
After we conceded, we came out and Sallah had space to do his thing.
We only looked better when Winaldum,Mane and Firmino came off.

I think what Emery's done has worked for most part of the game, you don't come out and play Liverpool at Anfield, you soak pressure and hit on the counter..

Liverpool's couldn't run much, Mane and Sallah aren't allowed to play their way, so you see they seem clueless and couldn't create cut clear chances, they resorted to cross and nod..
If only Auba and pepe had converted those chances..

Torreora and laca need to come on.

This is how to play Liverpool at Anfield, just slow it down, don't run nor allow them space to run.they'll get frustrated

Let's not forget utd are title contenders, the defeated Chelsea 4-0 earlier in the season

Ceballos on the wings?
Well everybody behind the ball, Auba and Pepe's pace will do it.

AbuMaryam1:
Hope the magic happen. Was weak and down but reading last two pages and watching pundit analysis this night pump in me the energy and makes me feel comfortable. God of football please be with us two good penalties in the first 10mins

Aameen..
V.dijk Red.
Penalties
Matip own goal
Andrian errors
Var disallow their goals
And many more

So Aston Villa downed Everton

Anything just dey happen for this league of ours..hopefully this is a signal of loss for another Merseyside team at Anfield

kokanepyramid:
there was a match result I feared for Claude he looked like he was going to have a stroke any moment. Ty didn’t help matters he kept yarning shit as usual. The look on Claude face could have made him drop a bullet or two in Ty’s head, he was lucky they are not Americans living in America.

That Claude is my favorite there, baba doesn't give a damn, he says it as he feels
You hear," I'm sick and tired of this fvkn club" get rid of all the players, they are all not good enough, Robbie will ask what about Auba/Laca? He says they both should get out my club..
He says Emery's Kroenke's puppet, they control him around, Claude doesn't care about new jerseys, that he doesn't mind us going back to the 1950s where we have blank jersey with no sponsors,just red and white stripes so far we win trophies..
That man is life.
I urge fans to go see him more

kokanepyramid:
Do u follow ArsenalfanTv on YouTube? If you do you’ll know a guy named Tye. He’s an optimist to a fault, defender of everybody. From Wenger to Giroud and all other mediocre players we had during Wenger’s time including Kroenke. And he’ll pick fights with anyone that thinks otherwise. This is a story of 3-5 years ago. Monikers like Pickabeau left here cos of Spy.

Spy was the version of that YouTube guy on Nairaland. At a point we thought Spy was Tye. There’s a post of a guy on the manure thread recently propping up Lingard despite how people see him, that was Spy back then on this thread. HIs posts were painful to read it is only spy that will tell u we miss Giroud up till this moment.

So in order not to get new members initiated I never miss such opportunities to advise them not to read his posts.

That’s where the “he trolls his own” campaign against me started, as a backlash.

I remembered those days, that was when I dey feel you.. I think Ty is a Nigerian, that was spy truly
Ty still said Mustafi,Ozil and Xhaka are good enough and deserves new contract, if you see the kind face Claude gave him..
He's also confident of a win at Anfield tomorrow. . Characters dey sha

solomonbrown64:
..... Are you serious right now? Nine freaking years and no post here

.... Just kidding, you are very much welcome and I feel honoured to be mentioned on your first post here. I see fellow fans on match day thread commenting like no man's business but never here. Thank God you are here.

.... Well here, there are sane people like me, Fkhalifa, kodded, Dreamswayne, Jodera, Oga blueray; elders like Spy360 and Roland17 because they have been here before I knew what Nairaland was all about. Partially insane folks like Oga Kokane because he can be for you now and against you the next second and completely insane folks like Swissh and Sod. The latter being very unpredictable and quite sarcastic, don't indulge him if you have no patience.

... Regardless of our differences, we are here for the good of the badge. We all look forward to more of your posts here.

Thanks for the mention
I think the guy meant he's been a fan for 9 years, not that he's been following this thread for that duration..There are many who come here to just read and go, I want to believe its because of the disappointments, both in the seasons and transfer windows.
We hope success will bring them back and start flowing with us.