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realmindz:
ok.

The materal

Good!

You're really intelligent!

We're learning from nature

Now think through:

Is it in any way possible that the raw materials used in the manufacture of anything would not have been in an earlier existence?

realmindz:
lool, alryt then holyslayer. dismantle


But pls beware not to ve ur beliefs shaken as u do...Holyslayer of Israel. defender of the bible tales

You're avoiding me?

I want to clear the issue of the age of the earth ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I have series of questions to ask you.

Answer them sincerely.

1) which is older:
a. The material used in shoe-making
b. The shoes?

realmindz:
lool, alryt then holyslayer. dismantle


But pls beware not to ve ur beliefs shaken as u do...Holyslayer of Israel. defender of the bible tales

Don't abuse the Bible, at least, yet.

It turns me off.

Revoke the word 'tale'.

realmindz:
How will any reasonable person ever doubt the bible creation story, that's absurd.

Wen the universe was created in 6 days and earth is abt 6000 years old , even though it is scientifically proven that the earth is several billions of years old, it's jst God testing our faith.


or who shall doubt that Adam and Eve populated the whole world.


The appearance of different races is jst one of God wonders. who does not know that our ancestors were once whites and got burnt by African sun to be black, then they ate too much pounded yam to have thick lips and broad nose.


No no, the bible creation story is just perfect and we should never ever question anything about it but believe with absolute faith....or do u want to perish in hell?

Dear boy, this is God's swordsman.

You've made too much noise about the earth being billions of years old.

Even if you're right, the Bible is also right.

Are you willing to absorb the shock of my confutation?

I don't want you to go mad as I attempt to dismantle your blasphemy.

mirinda01:
Hardmirrow you can't use science or common sense to validate the supernatural, that is why it's SUPER, because it goes beyond what you think. You are myopic enough to think how they slept, have you asked your self what brought them to the destination of the Ark? My brother please rest your little brain and spend time thinking of why are you on earth. Can you explain bullet not penetrating through someone skin, or how people disappear and reappear, these are supernatural. So please stop trying hard to disprove the Bible.

Nah.

Hardmirror wants to know why creation reappeared.

Don't worry.

God's swordsman is here.



We can use science to validate the scriptures if we are reasonable enough.

There first question is:

Could water had destroyed every organism?

No.

Could 40 days rain had destroyed fishes, and crocodile and whales, and the aquatic life?

Logic should tell an atheist that rain can't kill aquatic animals, but an atheist would rather not use his commonsense.

But there is a secret:

1) many organisms are water-tolerant.

2) creation didn't end after the garden of Eden.

Psalms 104
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

My God has power to create again the original things he destroyed.

Fear not.

realmindz:
HardMirror johnydon22 winner01 KingEbukasBlog
flamingREED

Just as they came out of the ark


Gen 8 vs 20. Noah built an alter and took of every clean animal and bird and offered them as burnt offering..


I think Noah just sacrificed the last animals on earth to God...I thought only two of every animal were saved.

Na wa ooo

Which kind thing be this Na?

Talking about the clean animals, how many pairs did Noah save of each?

Hello!

Please read Genesis 7: 1,2.

realmindz:
I wonder oo, a great event as the world flood...A whole flood ooo that wiped out all humanity.

but the family of Noah which consisted of whites, Arabs Chinese, Egyptians, blacks were saved.
Such great event wud be passed down from generations to generations among all the cultures of the world..

Yes!! All the cultures wud pass it down. I repeat All!!! and not some.
And they will all speak about their family, the names of their siblings and their father Noah.

but somehw only the Jews remembered ...


flamingREED I see u are reading this, pls come help ur bro out...at least u were forming super man for Yaweh d other day. wlc to NL whr we dig deep for the truth

You need peace.


How dare you drag me out of my heavenly Father's molly-cuddle to tell me errant nonsense, eh!

I don't give much attention to NL atheistic team of engineers because they squeak like babyishly put up manufactory many times.

Lack of proper basic education is your foundational problem, my man - I refer to the entire obfuscated atheistic community in this thin medium!

Okay.

Can you tell us the history and origin of atheism perfectly, because the fish-turned-frog belief of yours is worth defending with the last drop of your blood.

Please, brief me on the stage by stage accretion of atheism.

Mtcheew!

Let me help your tiny jejunums.

To depend on oral tradition as a mechanism for preserving history is beyond a historian's acceptation.

Now coming back home,

Can you precisely tell me who your great-great-great-grandfather was and any most remarkable thing about his life?

If you can't, then commonsense should shut your mouth up.

That's just one reason the flood story may not have been well preserved.

Men's brains fail for many reasons and poorly keep God's judgements intact!

But a more concrete reason is that the world of evil as ours doesn't keep the judgements of God in their archives.

Excepting Israel, Can you point at any government that does this?

Moreso, Satan would fight against such referrals that instill God's fear in men's hearts.

Just like you doubt God today, they must have reasoned that since they weren't among the eight eyewitnesses, it could have been a fable to drive a wedge between them and their expansive desire to sin without limits.

They of old couldn't keep the story perfectly because they seldom loved the holy God and His demands and couldn't condone the thought that He was going to roast the sinner in eternal fire.

Don't think that there were no doubters and atheists back then,
In case you don't know anything about your bird-turned-fish persuasion.

And when are you going to evolve into a nobler organism?

Evolution stopped since apes turned men, eh?

johnydon22:
And this means Incest was right because God permitted it and then became wrong when God didnt permit... doesn't this show that from your theology here there is nothing like good or bad only list of actions your own God concept permitted or not



Every atheist will have different opinions based on their own personal philosophy and reason and now to give my own opinion and view.

Incest is wrong to me [Apparently whether a deity agrees or not] it soils the human human gene pool, leads to reproductive anomaly.

secondly; My culture abhors it totally [Igbo culture of African origin] so it is a societal ill going from the factors involved and my view on bad actions is

Actions that increase individual human suffering, are detrimental to societal well being or growth, justice, equality, fairness and freedom.

thirdly - as a matter of personal feelings it is disgusting to me so i could never support it

Inbreeding is a societal ill that retards societal growth or well being so it is wrong to me apparently not to you...

Eheee Laws of Physics: Like terms do not attract, since you are almost certainly 99.9% a genetic copy of your mother and siblings, could they possibly arouse you sexually? have you ever being sexually attracted to your mum or sisters before this one you are asking us ?

And then my last thought: The above is totally my own opinion, i however have no business with what ever you choose to do with anybody in your bedroom.

what ever you make of it now is your problem

Inbreeding was permitted by God as follows:

He once gave them mana - free meal not toiled for.

He later withdrew His mana, and from that time 'expecting free meal' became sin - idleness.

He caused a mist to water the garden He made. But this was later replaced with rain.

He, therefore, to meet the foremost blessing of creation, I.e, multiplicity, subdued the impact of inbreeding(I mean, legal inbreeding by marriage. God has never permitted adultery)
So the earliest people could in-breed to that effect.
It's not that the side effects weren't there.
This I think He managed well/or healed by His power.

But when man's numerical data improved, He removed the wedge of mercy in inbreeding in order that nature might have it's cause.

And he forbade it among them, removing the clout of safety by that law.

Understand that God's laws served three-pronged purposes:

To safeguard the people from sin because of His holiness.
To guide their civic life because of His orderliness and love of justice.
To keep them from sickness as their Great shepherd and physician at what time His miraculous power reserved in the Saviour to come had not an exponential representation.

By virtue of the third purpose he made them several laws - of abstinence from some food, infectious diseases and inbreeding.

But the grandest reason He gives us laws is to prove if we love Him.

His laws aren't grievous; and to Love Him is worth it.

So, for whatever purpose God promulgated laws for us,
We find obeying Him richly rewarding.

His laws are good and TIMELY.

Now I know that many here are poor.



Imagine what they think of marriage - a honorable thing!

Chai!


I wish I could pray like Joshua that the moon remains in hiding for one full month!

Weah96:
You're telling lies now.

Believe, my friend.

If you believe and sincerely pray,
You'll obtain righteousness in Christ Jesus.

By their fruits you shall know them.

No man can serve two masters:

He was never a Christian.

Christians don't do politics.

They are just.

Rossikki:
Superstitious gobbledygook. A physical being cannot be both solid and immaterial at the same time. Just as water cannot be hot and cold at the same time. That a grown man like you believe somebody walked through walls is quite lamentable. Funnily enough, if an African religion had proclaimed such beliefs, you would instantly condemn it as backward and superstitious, yet here you are...

I've said it.

No atheist can swallow my faith with gainsaying.

I'll continue to use science and prove to you how God behaves.

When salt dissolves in distilled water is it still material? But is it not physical or at least perceptible?

How about heat?

Is heat material? But is it not physical or at least perceptible?

So is Christ, He's not an abstract idea but we've felt Him again and again even if He's not material all those times.

CAPSLOCKED:

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BRO, NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE HAS ENCOUNTERED GOD, NON EVER WILL.

I have:

The mistake atheistic scientists make is to think that they only make discoveries, and that their discoveries mean there's no God.

I have felt God's presence, His literal peace and Spirit's operation which are my own discoveries, which reinforce my belief in God.

This is also in spite of what atheists think. They think we're lying, but we know our discoveries are true. More so, our spiritual experiences being overwhelmingly delightsome than physical cum technological benefits, we accept and pursue a hope of A BETTER COUNTRY.

Eg, on a certain day I laid down on the floor, and as most men, facing up.
Then suddenly, I was filled with a sensation which itself was an absence of sensations -of pain, of heat, of whatever pressures of any degrees in any part of me -bone, tissue, cells, organs, systems and psychology.

That peace I can't describe, for the tongue of flesh and brain of mortal literacy fail me to frame it's excellency.

I was certain I felt heaven's atmosphere while I laid me down. It granted me absolute tranquility; I felt so free yet full; so healed, yet in a body; so pure, yet in a corrupt world. It so medicined me to such state and rapture that no clinician can restore any man or make as incredibly verdant.

My man, stop doubting, and never think your human thoughts would suffice to alienate us from Jehovah. Impossible.

And to the skeptic I say, it's better to come to terms with God and explore His grace in order to be on the better side and avoid cases that touch on the last day. God loves, lives, heals and helps. And to destroy His faith, no man can. His church will ever stand, 'tis written by His finger.

Heaven is His, so is wisdom and power, and the glory of asphyxiating innovations. Amen. His Spirit teach the minds of the sons of men even when they perceive it not.

johnydon22:
Isn't it remarkable how an omnipotent God always needs you for it's struggles, always needs you to speak for it - it is really remarkable.

So why does the government of your country that has all power and authority not reach out to you on one-on-one basis.

But God is the author of hierachy and uses it.

So, He speaks to me and I speak to you.

He could have spoken to you as He speaks to me,
But the problem is since Adam lost it to Satan,
Sinful man's sensitivity has been hijacked by darkness.

If you should hear His voice in your vile persuasion, it should shatter your every atom.

Moreover, a captain does not do every battle himself. He trains his lieutenants and relishes in the successes of those in whom he believes, because by His foreknowledge they are impregnably fit out!

But I prefer you open a thread.

I won't post to you here again.

Thanks.

cloudgoddess:
If one claims that a book is God-inspired then the contents of it should be factually accurate. It doesn't just "explain things in a less sophisticated way", the bible is simply wrong in most of it's claims about nature. As in 2 + 2 = 7 wrong. There are things written in the bible that directly contradict the laws of physics and chemistry.

And if you can admit that the writers of the bible were ignorant in their understanding of nature, then what reason is there to assume they were not just as ignorant in their understanding of God(s), his existence or lack thereof, and the qualities he allegedly possesses?

For your information, there's no claim of the Bible that is wrong.

I've been in this battle for years.

You can open a thread for you and me only and see how I'll prove the Bible right and you blindingly wrong.

I'm my God's swordsman.

Thanks.

LoJ:
I do not advocate for more isolation. I have repeatedly said that I think the best option is to break this "superadmin" power Islam has got in this forum.

Best solution is to stop all that non sense and allow every religious thought to be criticized ,analysed objectively and allow scrutiny.

You on the other hand seems to prefer to ignore the problem as long as there is still room to crack Christianity down.

Sorry to say:

The devil has nothing to lose.

Islam has nothing to offer.

It's as firmly as it denies the death on the cross -

The supreme sacrifice that tore/tears Satan's might to irrevocable shreds

Unique04:
I am a Christian, I cannot be in a forum where my God is being ridiculed by some persons including the founder of the forum. My Bible teaches me that, blessed is he who is not found in the company of the ungodly. I registered in nairaland last year after many years of visiting because I thought it was a forum to meet and interact with fellow Nigerians. I have suddenly come to realize that there is a conspiracy to ridicule the Christian faith and turn young Christians into atheists. I am a solid Christian and nothing can derail me from my faith, but I can't stand the number of baby Christians who get confused and carried away with all this Atheist and anti-christain posts I find on front page.
*modified*
I came to this conclusion after reading some of seun osewa's posts on Christianity.
With this I say farewell to all nairalanders.

In a manner of speaking, Seun is a small boy..

There's no atheist that can subdue my faith.

I've had debates a lot of times.
It's only that I don't do it much on Nairaland because their doubts are too shallow sometimes.

So I ignore them.

If there are any foes I'm wary of, it's not atheists but Islamic scholars.

But God has always given me a good back-up.

We're commanded to EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS.

My advice is, if anyone can't ignore them, he had better quit here.

But I don't see anything enviable in atheists: I don't smoke, take alcohol, masturbate, steal, lie, watch porn, curse or do to any man any evil: So, why shouldn't I be proud of the evidential power of Christ in me?

I've felt God's presence not once or twice or thrice plus his peace that exceeds human evaluation.

Leave those that fall for their unfounded logics; of whom I can boldly say THAT THEY NEVER REALLY HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE CHRIST THAT REDEEMED ME.

Rossikki:
But 'Jesus' was not a radio wave. And a radio wave is not physical.

Something cannot be immaterial and physical (ie solid) at the same time. It's either one or the other.

I can understand why you are trying to make it seem the same - to solve the problem of explaining the bible's comical claims of a physical being flying into heaven, a spiritual location.

Hahaha.

If Jesus does not behave like waves, then I can't explain His ability to pass through the walls of a locked room to where His disciples were!

No physical thing can do that!

But energetic waves can, so also radio waves. As a result, you can use ICT even in a locked prison!

Jesus is God-man as the scriptures affirm.

Like electrons' He's just anywhere with high probability (though certainty) of being found around the saint than around the sinner.

As a man, He can choose to materialize, and as God he had better behave like a wave..

realmindz:
Even kingebukasblog will be disappointed with this your argument, he will be like oh God, not this!!

I'm not inferior to a anyone but God.

Rossikki:
Are you saying that heaven is a physical place up in the sky that one can fly to?

Yeah.

As radio waves are also functionally physical but are immaterial

Rossikki:
So, can you explain the process by which he took off?

God upholds all things by the word of His power.

The Father who created all things by His word willed that His Son ascended by the same word..
The eternal power residual in God's word brought it to pass!

But scientifically, I can prove it this way:

It's well known that all things that have mass have also a force field/gravity.

Then if God, Who's mightier than the earth and more substantial than it - for He created it out of nothing - exerted His force in His son, could He not have lifted Him to the highest height?

If you know the attributes of God, you can easily explain His behaviour by natural phenomena that reveal him.

joe4christ:
Sincerely, the bolded makes me wanna question your sanity. Pls I'd advice your go for psychological evaluation

Hahaha.

If I reply you, then know that I'm not of Christ.

We know the devil has reps on Naira land,
But don't push your luck too far:

CHRIST MIGHT KILL YOU.

joe4christ:
Sincerely, the bolded makes me wanna question your sanity. Pls I'd advice your go for psychological evaluation

Hahaha.

If I reply you, then know that I'm not of Christ.

We know the devil has reps on Nairaland,
But don't push your luck too far:

CHRIST MIGHT KILL YOU.

onetrack:
That is actually the position of most atheists. Let us be allowed to test and monitor these miracles using scientific equipment. Have a faith healer regrow an amputated arm while biologists monitor the process. If this could be done just a single time then I would be convinced.

Why don't you go and monitor the process by which uranium atoms detonate at critical mass in nuclear bombs..

Common AIDS VIRUS Una never fit monitor well..

Na God in action you wan monitor..

If the anointing touch you for your unbelief,
E'm go just scatter you...

Go monitor God.

You don fit monitor your earthly papa?

Na Baba God you wan monitor..

Mtchew

First, may Christ forgive your blasphemy.

Next, do you feel your brain, liver, kidney or capillaries?
But are they there? Of course!

Again, have you ever seen an atom?
Even large protein molecules are invisible,
Yet we believe they exist, not just as fables,
But as near-realities, and by them we make predictions which work for us!

But Christ Whose presence is more real than atoms, who work miracles among us, you want us not to believe

Must everything be literal?
The man who discovered the shape of benzene molecules dreamt of snakes dancing in circles, waking up, he opined that benzene molecules are ring-shaped; and it's still accepted till today.

If you know science, you'd hardly ever oppose God because His ways are explained by science, and not the other way round.

Christ is not just in heaven where He conceals His glory which is too dangerous for mortal gazing,
He's right there where you are.

If you sincerely seek Him, He'll reveal Himself to you.
Give it a try.

I have felt Jesus.

THE ONLY SINGLE REASON MY FAITH CANNOT BE DESTROYED TILL I DIE

HardMirror:
As proven above, there would be a need of 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water, that is about 4,500,000,000,000,000,000 liters of water

QUESTION 2
where did this water come from?

Oh! The bible gave us the answer, so let's check the where God got all this water from.

Genesis 7:11-12 "11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

This is very very interesting lol. So from the earth springs and rain 4.5billion Cubic kilometers of water fell all within 40 days. Lol

Now good science students and mathematics savies will already see why this is ridiculous.

https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/global-water-volume-fresh-large.jpg

Above is the proportion of water to earth of the whole earth. (This information is from the united states geological website)
Yes 71% of the surface of the earth is covered by water it does not equal to 71% of the Volume of the earth.

It is just like buying bread that is wrapped in nylon. 100% of the bread is covered, But that nylon cover is ONLY about 2% of the volume of the bread. Got it?

In actual fact, the earth only has a total of 1.3billion cubic kilometers of water when water in the atmosphere, seas, oceans, rivers, lakes, ice-bergs etc are all added up. So where did 4.5 billion extra come from?

[b] what this reveals
This reveals that the story was fabricated by the inventors of the story. They must have observed the amount of water all around, looking at the ocean and mediterean sea and fantasizing that that volume of water must be so great it can cover all mountains.

Like I asked your friend:

We are just getting started... Stay tuned

So, where did the water of today's earth come from?

From the moon or some natural/abstract interaction?

If Christians believe that God created water - whose origin you can't explain,
Then why do you think we'll feel awful to think that that same God flooded the earth with water?

The scripture records that the fountains of the deep were broken up: In other words, the water that submerged the entire earth didn't need to descend from the clouds at iron-shattering velocities, but simply both as rain and aquatic upsurge.

Nevertheless, if Christ could multiply five loaves and two fishes geometrically; what science can't can't simulate; then I think that Jehovah Jireh can submerge the whole earth with just a glass of water

HardMirror:
The problem is we don't think, we just believe even before reading.

Before reading the bible you mind is already set to believe that what you are about to read is the word of God.

Truth is ALWAYS truth and will pass all scrutiny excellently

Note that the bible did not say God created extra water. The author must have thought that the sky must be filled with so much water that simply saying it rained for 40 days straight would mean the whole earth would be covered.


That is a whole one month and 10 days all around the world.

Very obvious this was written because the author experienced some days rain and his town got flooded then he must have imagined what 4days and 40 nights rain would cause. So he concluded it would cover all mountains
But there is simply not enough water to achieve this.

INFACT if all the icebergs melted and all water unleashed, geologists say it would only be 61meters above the current sea level.


So why not take a moment and think about this.

Was the bible really from God? With no lies? Can it survive scrutiny as all truth should?

Have you been deceived?

Next I will be talking about the animals

So, where did the water of today's earth come from?

From the moon or some natural/abstract interaction?

If Christians believe that God created water - whose origin you can't explain,
Then why do you think we'll feel awful to think that that same God flooded the earth with water?

The scripture records that the fountains of the deep were broken up: In other words, the water that submerged the entire earth didn't need to descend from the clouds at iron-shattering velocities, but simply both as rain and aquatic upsurge.

Nevertheless, if Christ could multiply five loaves and two fishes geometrically; what science can't can't simulate; then I think that Jehovah Jireh can submerge the whole earth with just a glass of water

The pastor preached the tough truth.

God bless him.

Indiaindia:
AMBODE IS AN ANTICHRIST AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS ARE DEMONS

Nah. He's not.

It's simple.

Worship God orderly and no man will trample on your freedom.

But those rejoicing on this thread think that the churches have been closed down.

My thought is, it's just a scolding.
If they pledge to adjust,
The seal-offs will be revoked.

I myself detest loud noise.

Sanchez01:
1. Both options for #1 are wrong. You don't GIVE but GRANT leave.
2. A) I wish I were the campaign manager of PDP in the last general election.
3. A) The news of president Buhari's arrival was broadcasted yesterday.
4. B) They appeared to be talking on private matters.
5. B) He fell from the top of the house.
6. B) The subject matter of his discourse was excellent.
7. B) ) If she knew about his financial situation, she would have helped him out.
8. B) Her baby daddy has too many baggage.
9. B) B) Nothing but that would satisfy him.
10. This would definitely pass as A but the consonant 'H' in the English alphabet is the only consonant that is allowed to carry both the 'A' and the 'AN', just like the vowel 'U' can sometimes carry or tag along with the article 'A'. EG, He has A UNIQUE point of view.

'Campaign manager of PDP' is ungrammatical.

It should be 'the PDP'.

Your children are your children.

Detach from their mothers, but care for them.

However, if the many wives were married at once,
Then whichever of them made the vow first is the legitimate wife.

But if they all made the vow at once,
Then the man's simultaneous marriage to all of them is NULL AND VOID.