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hopefulLandlord:
Oga this is very simple, conscience is most times determined by societal laws

So long Society is not against it, some people's conscience might not be against it

And then I usually use the conscience argument when asked about bestiality and insest which your brothers never found valid enough


These don't address it

Conscience isn't determined by society;
It can only be affected by it.

And I thought you'd understand how I meant that God and science are on the same page in this argument.

Is it scientifically okay to lay a 12 year old maid?
Nah_
It's against science, nature and the common conscience, and therefore I learn that God is against it'

Lastly, to think that you as a Muslim called together atheists to behold this controversy is an indicator that you have a conscience society affects, not that God controls_

hopefulLandlord:
So you're saying your personal values determines this? Your basis is personal

Yet when you guys open threads on insest and bestiality and some atheists say their personal value is against it, you guys never accepted the answer but kept on saying its not enough basis

Here you are saying the same thing

Sounds like hypocrisy

The Christian God created men and gave them brains efficient enough to know right and wrong_

And it's not out of godliness if you:

Learn from conscience:

Romans 2
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Does your conscience approve of it?

Learn from nature:
1 Corinthians 11
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You can understand how God is or wants you to live by observing nature- the things that are made_

Nature sums up anatomy and working of all things_

Is underrage marriage a distortion of nature?
Does it harm nature in any way?
Yes, in a way:

Learn from science/human understanding which proceeds from God:

Daniel 1
17 As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
Job 32
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Job 28
12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.

God is much in favor of science and learning.

Now, does science negate for support underage marriage in anyway?

Even so does God stand against it_

That's it's not in the Bible does not mean God's speechless_

He's loaded man with wit enough by which humans also should both prove and be grateful that He made a valuable creation'

God's Swordsman_

stephendamsoho:
Interesting question

I never saw god or Jesus condemn any of these in the Bible

I'm here to learn anyway, there might be parts of the bible I missed

Learn from conscience:

Romans 2
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Does your conscience approve of it?

Learn from nature:
1 Corinthians 11
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You can understand how God is or wants you to live by observing nature- the things that are made_

Nature sums up anatomy and working of all things_

Is underrage marriage a distortion of nature?
Does it harm nature in any way?
Yes, in a way:

Learn from science/human understanding which proceeds from God:

Daniel 1
17 As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
Job 32
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Job 28
12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.

God is much in favor of science and learning.

Now, does science negate for support underage marriage in anyway?

Even so does God stand against it_

That's it's not in the Bible does not mean God's speechless_

He's loaded man with wit enough by which humans also should both prove themselves and be grateful that He made a valuable creation'

HardMirror:
The bible ONLY condemns bestiality, it NEVER gave a reason. Just the same way God never gave reason why we should not wear mixed fabric or cut our hair and beards in certain ways.
If homosexuality or bestiality is for pleasure, how is that supposed to be the responsibility of an atheist to determine if it is right or wrong. If I could derive pleasure exclusively from animals then I would do it. But as I said earlier, I don't find them attractive, the society frowns at it, there could be health risks. If others do it, it's not a problem for me, neither will it stop me from associating with such persons

We learn the reasons of God as follows:

From His word _

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

From our conscience:

Romans 2
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Verse 14 expresses also that nature is ordered by the will of God_

From nature:

Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

So then, God's reasons are either written or unwritten_
But to write a law for man wasn't His original plan_
He made man after His nature/likeness_
This man should know righteousness without being cajoled,
But since man failed and sold himself to Satan,
It became necessary to have a tangible evidence of God's will for man - the law;
Otherwise, nature is the finest law.

1 Corinthians 11
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

And those laws governing clothing and foods to eat, had either the impacts of modesty, identity or restraint from idolatrous patterns_

By

God's skilful swordsman_

ifenes:
Bible god's swordman, I must admit debating with you is a total waste of time. You do whatever your slavery book says,you are not allowed to reason for yourself. If sexing a dog were endorsed in that book called the Bible,you will do it without question.

You never jam'

Alleluia.

Lilbrown007:
Omniscience Abi OmniArt Couldn't Come Up With Something Better

He's God of time and growth and season and development__

He set the pace for man to advance after His pleasure_
But not entirely without His spirit guiding man attain transformation_

So don't say He couldn't make Italian suits for Eve_

He makes all things_
So, He still has right to claim He made all things

Ecclesiastes 7
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.


Hebrews 3
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

ifenes:
Animals have no right because your sky god said so? Do you think stoning wayward kids to death is okay since your god said so?

Hahaha
Why are you angry na?


I mentioned this earlier:


What difference lies in stoning rejects then and in executing criminals today by firing squad?

Moreover, indiscipline in the old Hebrew kingdom of God wasn't just waywardness,
But it equated despising the God of their Fathers'

And James in the New testament puts it clearly as: 'whoever breaks a commandment, has broken all'

That's why the retributions then seemed grave,
But the transgressions had grave undertones'

Direct Rebellion against Jehovah'


This is God's Swordsman_

ifenes:
There is no good or evil. Positive and Negative gives balance,both are needed. Metaphorically god and Satan are needed for balance,that's me using a religious terminology.

Whether you kiss,sex,eat, your goat who cares. Don't forget,animals have rights too. So before you eat,sex etc ask for their consent.

Animals have no right_

They only can enjoy the right of privacy of their owners and the rights imputed to them by the society,

Which is in line with the dominion God gave humans over all things effectively_

dalaman:
I am totally against beastiality. But from the animals perspective which will they consider more evil. Christians torture animals both knowingly and unknowingly. Slaughtering a cow involves torture.

Are sheep, in your manner of thinking, tortured too?

Then about killing a cow,
It's not torturing, it's OVERPOWERING_

Can you single-handedly kill a cow?
A cow can humiliate a lion in an enclosed bout, you know?

ifenes:
You Christians keep using the Old Testament laws to defend your silly ideas and use the New Testament to hide under the "we are under grace" umbrella. Question is, are you an Old Testament Christian or not? If you are, would you stone wayward kids to death?

What difference lies in stoning rejects then and in executing criminals today by firing squad?

Moreover, indiscipline in the old Hebrew kingdom of God wasn't just waywardness,
But it equated despising the God of their Fathers'

And James in the New testament puts it clearly as: 'whoever breaks a commandment, has broken all'

That's why the retributions then seemed grave,
But the transgressions had grave undertones'

Direct Rebellion against Jehovah'


This is God's Swordsman.

dalaman:
We happily kill animals and eat them for food. But when hungry animals kill us for food we get angry and try to kill them. How is that beneficial to them. Nobody has still given me a good reason why torturing animals to death for food or decoration , killing them for fun (so many people hunt animals for fun) keeping them in captivity just for fun is good and sleeping with them is bad. Have you seen how pearls are made? This Animals are tortured to produce the pearls humans use for decoration why is it good compared to sleeping with them? I am totally against beastiality. Just trying to point out the hypocrisy of humans in all these. A man will happily buy pearl and give his wife or girlfriend a product of animal cruelty and torture but will scream and shout about beastiality. So which is worse, killing and torturing animals by removing their body parts for decoration as we happily do or having sex with them?

Someone already mentioned that nature's arrangement upholds copulation for organisms of a kind'

Dyu have anything against this formidable truth?

By the way,
A christian does not torture animals'

Respond to my question above'

What a unique thread!!

THIS JEW:

Acts 18
24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

MIGHTY IN THE SCRIPTURES

izsmike:
Just to prevent theft.. And we Africans r just copy copy. We dnt knw why dey do it yet we practice it like we own it....

Copy copy?

Hahahahaha..


If I hear..


Everyone copies..

At least everyone copied a note or two in class

olanrewaju99:
Seriously there no big deal in using hijab lets be realistic why blaming buhari Everytime. Let's put a stop to religion violence and lets embrace peace. We all serve one God. God bless Nigeria.

We don't all serve one God.

Repent from this satanic generalization before you slump and die and go to your own place like the fool in the Bible.

ycat:
It's puzzling!

They know we really want them to be happy with their choices. They know without Yoruba the country they will end up building will be like we already have all over Africa, uncivilized nations that will repel foreign investors and live in isolation. If they can't tolerate their fellow country men, how will they allow foreigners to have peace of mind in their midst. We just didn't know it, Yoruba made Nigeria what it is today, even the north wouldn't mind to lose SE and SS but will be sad to let SW go. We bring sanity to Nigeria. The international community will listen to Yoruba before any other if civil unrest breaks out cos they know who we are as peace loving, tolerant and much more civilized and fair. All human rights lawyers and activists are Yoruba and have fought for more non-Yoruba. Is it this people who don't even know that they have right to their biafra and can pursue it without resulting in emotional blackmail and abuse that make the agitation looks like some dirty jokes? They are confused, and we have no.medicine for that.

We watch you people daily and keep mute,
Not because you're more rational, rather and
Yes, because just people don't do politics.

But with an intelligent mind,
I'll analyze this matter thus:

SW in the interest of national stability has no choice than to toe the line of the SS/SE, not necessarily because they're indispensable in ordinary matters.

If you people refuse, and eventually the grazing bill is passed,
Can you predict what the aftermath will be?

You may not like it.

This is not a case of IPOB youths standing alone,
But their leaders and everyone is involved.

In the interest of national stability and security-commonsense,

SW has no choice.

I won't reply any quotes.

Thanks.

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malailayi:
Believe what you want ,
Indeed it was and still is a very sad story,
But i don't understand how a sane person will decide to preach christianity near a mosque and at the same time muslims are going for their morning prayers and also in this hard times.
Killing her was wrong, but she was a very stupid woman

Modified:
For those that qouted me please understand that this is my opinion and an opinion is entitled to everybody, I just believe that death is something most sane people would do anything to avoid and only stupid or mad people can walk right into it ,

This is God's swordsman.

Death does not ultimately define our wisdom in serving God, but God Himself.

Matthew 10
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


I've done something of similar circumstances in PH.

Nothing happened.

I will do it again, if God wills.

But in the core North, no, no, no.

Acts 16
6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,


The only exception is if the Spirit Himself says go.

Acts 16
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.

Then there can be no objection, whether one would die or live thereafter.

Acts 20
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Okijajuju1:
You must have missed the memo..


Jesus got killed Bro.

Yeah for our sakes necessarily, to bear the Judgment of all who shall believe in him for mercy.

Having satisfied that, He rose to go back where He came from, where His mission began.

It was scorn to the Almighty that divinity should be trapped in the tomb of mortality.

He arose and sealed our hope in Him.

Okijajuju1:
Cool Story Bro. .

Retrace your steps to the ways of your forefathers a d their forefathers before them or perish in ignorance and die a lost soul.

The Child who despises the Gods of his forefathers in exchange for the Gods of his slave masters is a fool and a walking corpse.

I am not afraid to die, that's the one sure aspect of life for all of us.

Forefathers?

Where are they to guide me?

My Jesus is alive forevermore.

He's better than any.
He's the very Son of the Most High whom our forefathers sometimes acknowledged.

Okijajuju1:
Lol..


Until you figure out how you will die, you need to refrain from threatening people with death.

SO the same Bible that instructs you to obey the law instructs you to disobey the law. #GoodForYou.

I only predicted the character of God.

The soul than sinneth it shall die.

Not all that trivialize with God escape judgement.

Repent or perish.

It's a possibility.

It might just be certain for you.

Okijajuju1:
Very Funny..

God did not ask you to go and disturb the peace of people.

Your bible actually instructs you to obey the laws of the land (Romans 13).

And did you say your God will cut me down to size? he obviously was still asleep by that time of the Morning when that Preacher lady got mugged to death..

Thanks for stopping by hommie..

I'm God's swordsman.

The practice of morning call is godly before the wake of any law of any land.

In that case, we put God above human laws, whether we risk our lives or not.

The earth is the Lord's.

Jeremiah 25
4 And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.

Acts 5
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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Repent before you're slain.

Okijajuju1:
Hmmm..


I am not saying I support her killing o!! But God knows in my heart, I have beaten the shiit out of these early Morning Nuisances that call themselves preachers.


These preacher people need to learn to respect peoples privacy and peace. They come at ungodly hours with megaphones to preach about things they don't even fully know about and disturb the peace and quiet of the neighborhood.

I have set my Dogs on a few of them in the past and even confiscated the Megaphone and Bible of one.


Killing her was extreme and for that they must face the full wrath of the Law but these Pastors need to call their people off.

I wish I lived in your neighborhood.

It's either I go down by your dogs or The Rock of Ages cut you to size.

Though you take our lives, goods, honours; our wives..
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THESE THINGS SHALL VANISH ALL

As a Christian, this means nothing.






Even at gunpoint surrender we will tell our children to remember that there's a worthier Father in heaven.

charix:
If I remember correctly, my lesson teacher back in the day had a curriculum for whichever class I was. He taught exactly the same as my class teacher however was eagle-sighted in predicting my problems and also broke steps down into simple easy to remember sequences.
It's been a long time but I remember clearly him bombarding me with "do you understand? I can always review the sequence far back as you want" questions. Made more sense to me than an over-burdened teacher who could never teach 30 students in a classroom equally.

You're right.

A lesson teacher ought to be an expert.

In handling private pupils, I can testify that, There's no much difference except the personal touch.

However, a good lesson teacher can make your child leap from 15th position in class to 5th.

But kids have variant challenges that inhibit their success.

If a parent is cooperatively concerned, to monitor the lesson teacher and the child, providing all moral and necessary support,, then there'll be optimal output.

A good private teacher is better than having none at all.

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I read a post challenging Christ's words about some not dying till they see the kingdom.

I'll talk on that later.

I don't do research to answer.

My answers have been by me.

Not that they're perfect;

But they're better than telling me that my ancestor was an ape.

N/B

My God is real!

realmindz:
And he gave them several gods to worship..
Pray for me when you reach church

Nah.

God was very much active in their consciences.

As for worshipping other gods, it was a twist of nature induced upon themselves by themselves.

Paul attests to these in Romans 1 and 2

realmindz:
so in summary God did it. He all of a sudden modified us to be of different races.

Wow, no further question,..no need to think any further.

Praise the Lord! It is a miracle!

winner01 KingEbukasBlog una see ur brother

Of course!

They spoke in tongues - a miracle.

We speak in tongues today - a miracle to match our spiritual identity.

Language and identify are interwoven.

realmindz:
Lool, wat did u trash? We both agree that the earth is billions of years old. What u are trying to do is back it up with the bible which u haven't been able to do, millions of christians will even tell u that u are wrong that the earth is 12k old...lol, but good that at least u are more enlightened...impressed.

now tell me about how ur ancestors were jews

Chai!

I explained to you that the material of the earth is older than the formation of the earth.

The materials are eternal or continual; having been in pre-existence in God;
Whereas the formation of the earth took place later.

So we can state two ages for the earth:
It's material age - in billions or more;
It's formation age - from creation.


Talking about racial diversification, I hope you understand quantum physics and genetics.
I hope you've read about ENTANGLEMENT - the dreaded absurdity of particles..

Your original language and your identity are interwoven.

Back then, with the little I managed to pray in Ibo language, I felt graver and more original than when I prayed as an expert grammarian in English.

My original language then must be entangled with my identity.

Therefore I want to state that when God changed the languages of the nations to scatter them, he diversified their identities instantly and destroyed any antecedents of unison among them completely thereby making the delineation as authentic as Original creation.

He also gave them feelings of tribal distinction and self-love thereby creating our numerous identities we find today.

In order that the scattered people blended with their destinations, He dimmed the African while the western remained with the texture that matched his immediate environment.

That scattering is in scope beyond just the languages. It included all the articles of racial diversification.

It was a recreation.

I can hold this view.

John the Baptist said God is able with stones to raise humans with Abrahamic/Hebrew identity.

Yeah.

Make I reach church.

You're invited.

realmindz:
Yes yes..
so how does that prove that the bible creation story supports the scientific age of the earth to be billions of years old.

Read the Bible as the stars were made on the 4th day, clearly was it stated there that the stars were MADE. (stars are billions of years old)

sorry bro, the bible did not align with the scientific evidence of the earth's age

How does it further prove that all races came from Noah's family?

You jst have to realise that something is wrong with the bible tales...

I've trashed that age thing with ease.

Now let me come to the racial diversification.

I hope you can withstand the punch!

It shall be incredible!

Hahaha!

Go I on?

realmindz:
No I dnt think so..
can u go straight to the point pls?
Thank u

Since you're impatient:

The materials by which the earth was made proceeded from the eternal God, hence they possess PRE-EXISTENCE and CONTINUITY as characteristics.

From when the earth was made is younger than the eternal materials Elohim used in making them.

The eternal God must have had eternal properties, not ephemeral ones.

That's why it's written that:
'whatever God does, it shall be forever'

Ecclesiastes 3
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

Food for thought:
How did Voltaire die?