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LordAdam16:
Yep, the arrogance.

But also the clarity of purpose that'll ensue after the psychological shock.

If you corner a black man, and his comrades start falling left and right, he adopts an "all die na die" mindset.

How would someone kill the CDS, COAS, CAS and their deputies and force Tinubu and the cabinet into a bunker for 2 weeks.
Then when they emerge, we'll be talking about negotiations. What are you negotiating? Pack all the weapon systems on offer.

-Lord

They'd have to be really really, really really cornered.

LordAdam16:
We saw what steps GEJ went through to get ammunition from unapproved sources after Obama's blockade.

Our security issues are political.

But if a foreign power took out most members of the military command and gleefully threatened to take out the political hierarchy, the a-holes will mortgage our oil revenues for two centuries in exchange for whatever arms they can get from even the devil himself.

-Lord

Definitely not the current generation of Nigerian leaders. There is no way Kwankwaso, Wike, Ganduje, and our service chiefs would be killed and then the rest of them would not be at least 5,000km away from West Africa within 24 hours. They know the corruption and nepotism that's prevalent in our military 😂😂😂

bryght4u:
Are you sure Nigeria wouldn't be any worse than Iran?
I mean this is Nigeria we're talking about here.
Let's not pretend our political and military leaders are any better than Iran's!
Even if you're speaking hypothetically, what is the basis of your assertion?

Me def dey wonder o. It's like he means Nigeria would not be hindered by the kind of arrogance that's clouding Iran's decisions. Other than that, I don't see how any Nigerian leader/politician will still be in the continent during a major war.

bryght4u:
A repentant terrorist?
The West and her supporters are just charlatans at best!

I'm telling you. Iraq and Libya were destroyed because they were led by bad guys. Any other reason is just conspiracy theory, but a literal Al-Qaeda member is ok for their superior morals

seunny4lif:
If SK joined then immediately NK will join the war.
Look how Russia is outputting NATO on weapons production, now imagine China that is even more advanced in terms of AI and population size.
On like Ukraine that is surrounded by NATO countries, Taiwan don’t have that luxury, they are surrounded by water and the water is very close to main China.
A total blockade is enough.
China military weapons are state owned just like Russia which allow those nations to be able to produce military equipments and hardware are a very low cost.
Check Russia military hardware before the war and during the war in Ukraine.
WW2 showed that quantity is far better than quality.
AK47 is cheaper than any NATO guns.

Wait ooh, we don’t even have bunkers in Nigeria to protect us in case of war. Nothing at all

Speak for yourself. We get overhead bridge for Kaduna. Nothing go do us

WriterrNg:
⚡British Foreign Minister David Lammy is in Damascus, where he just met with Syrian President Al-Sharaaa and Foreign Minister Asaad al-Shaibani.

But we are just conspiracy theorists.

Alamkiir:
I didnt see that post, I only saw the quote. I tried to go back to the post to share but it's just not their. Is this some Nairaland tricks again, this has happened so many time in the last few weeks

That's the new NL for you. Everything you type stands a chance of being randomly deleted for no reason. Perhaps the AI wasn't comfortable with the facts he pointed out

❌🇬🇧🇵🇸 BREAKING: The UK has BANNED 'Palestine Action' group and designated it as a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.

Terrorists without a single gunshot fired.

LordAdam16:
The first awarded comment is literally:


They see it.
They know what's coming.
And they're powerless to stop it.

India admitted it lost 3 Rafale jets.
The PL-15E air to air missile armament of the J-10C is entirely made by robots.
Imagine what a missile factory city with robots working 24/7 can output in each day.
Uptime will be above 90% with no chance of the US matching it even if they want to copy because as Apple CEO Tim Cook said and I'm loosely paraphrasing: "You could fill multiple football fields with tooling engineers in China, while a meeting of such professionals in the US might not even fill a room."

China is on another level.

-Lord

It is scary to fathom how much more powerful they will get in the nearest future. Those dudes produce high quality stuff at dirt cheap prices compared to USA and they're churning out scientists like garri every year.

Alamkiir:
Firstly, I think Iran should increase the range of their missiles to the level where it can reach the US mainland before testing the nuke. If not it won't stop the US from attacking iran

I don't think conventional warheads on an ICBM can do much harm to them. It will just be a case of touching a beehive and being annihilated in a matter of days. Unless maybe you mean they should secretly build one and not unveil it until they acquire nuclear warheads for the missile.

A test from Iran will instantly make them sit up. There's no way they'd want to risk a nuclear explosion in the Middle East even if their homeland is safe.

Obedience40:
I guess this is Ukrainian courts

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers-family-killing.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn012ed0z2ro.amp

RUSSIA SENTENCES...

Mikasaobi:
Dude I doff my hat.

That is what is called masterclass. Unfortunately, it will still not be enough to clear their eyes. Mad respect @shoodboi 😎

WritterNg:
⚡ IAEA has pulled its inspectors out of Iran over safety concerns.

Iran should have bundled them out like illegal immigrants.

Jovi10:
There goes the whataboutism when they are cornered with the truth..... Have a lovely day, I don't have the time to be going round in circles with you guys. At least the visitors in the forum can see all the gimmicks you guys use.

You have done a great service to your sanity.

23jerryking:
China is the manufacturing hub of the world as far as consumables are concerned. But when it comes to military might, it would be a great delusion to actually even in a dream assume that China will beat US in an all-out war. What joke is that?

I share your sentiment that USA will likely have the upper hand in a hypothetical war, but the gap is not enough for anyone to be sure about the outcome. We know that China would outproduce them in wartime, and the ever-narrowing technological gap USA enjoys is not enough to guarantee them victory.

Hoaxen:
lol
Is this what you call criticism?

For comparison, imagine if the pro west camp called for the Israeli army to kill more Palestinians.

Is this what you call criticism?

Guy, rest.

Jovi10:
It's all over the thread, you can see some anti west supporters calling out Putin for his shortcomings, except you deliberately want to ignore seeing it.

He knows what he is doing. Don't mind him

soqmeov:
-Of course! It's just "Cold world era"= legitimation of their evil deeds.

- That "human rights" arguments of yours is funny, once again. Are you really clueless or you're just feigning ignorance?😂

👉You mean the racially motivated prisoner abuse within America, racial disparity in criminal justice, racially motivated police brutality, how about the recent treatment of illegal migrants...?
👉Human rights abuse Overseas nko? Ever heard of Guantanamo bay?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp,
How about that gruesome image that came out of Abu ghraib prison in Iraq, and the "enhanced interrogation technique" (a transmogrified term for TORTURE) that ensued thereafter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques.

How about the numerous US allied repressive dictators, both past and present who engaged, and still engage in horrible human rights abuse?
This is just a prime example👇
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#:~:text=Fulgencio%20Batista%20murdered%2020%2C000%20Cubans,people%20were%20killed%20in%20clashes.%22

👉Those you support are tyrannical, and they aren't just tyrants, they also get in bed with other 'benevolent tyrants' who serve their strategic interests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._policy_towards_authoritarianism
To hell with human rights.

👉The US doesn't control their own media? They don't ban other countries media? Why? Because "free speech" is an exclusive right of their own media?

👉Wanna test out the threshold of this "free speech" of yours in America and the entire "free West"?
Try criticizing or staging a protest against Israel

They're in so much delulu that I sometimes feel they should be pitied and not mocked

Hoaxen:
Criticize them daily when?

How come I haven't seen this daily criticisms?

Putin is only being put on trial by you guys, because he's no longer dedicated to the anti west cause.

Not because he's committing genocide against Ukrainians and taking their lands.

It was just yesterday or so that I said the Mossad has established drone bases in Iran due to their incompetence. 'daily was obviously an exaggeration.

Show me where I denied all the claims.
This was when you first used whataboutism by going back to the 90s to accuse the west of crimes around the world, and then I pointed out to you that Russia, China, North Korea etc were all complicit in similar crimes. Then all of a sudden, you started accusing me of whataboutism when you are the one that started it by going back to the 50s

Look, I am tired of this. Go back and reread our previous posts. Maybe then you will remember when you denied them before going on to bring links that prove me right.

Your conspiracy theory was that the CIA killed Gaddafi as against the rebels killed him on Wikipedia.

I said NATO, not CIA. They armed the 'rebels' with weapons (the same weapons Boko haram is killing us with today). Yes or no? They bombed his soldiers and established a no-fly-zone over Libya. Yes or no? They bombed his convoy while he was trying to escape Libya, leading to his capture. The answers are all in the very Wikipedia link you so generously provided.

"We came, we saw, he died." —Hillary Clinton on Ghaddafi

Suddenly you are redefining the definition of genocide again when it doesn't suit your propaganda?

From thousands of people, to shootings?

You said daily bombing of civilians is not genocide because Hamas hides among them, so I said we should move to shooting as that will help us determine whether the intent of those bombs is to kill Hamas or to decimate Palestinians and hopefully displace them.

Educate yourself.

https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

Nope, we both support deeply flawed leaders, but mine at least doesn't violate human rights, while yours do, which makes them tyrants.

Bombing millions of brown people in foreign countries sure doesn't count as human rights violation. Are they even humans? 🤔🤔🤔

That's the problem, you are aware of the west’s crimes because of freedom of the press. No one knows how many have been killed by all these regimes you support because they do not have free press.

Let me ask you a question?
How many people have been killed by the North Korean regime from 2000 to date?
The answer is that no one knows. Why?
Because they control their media!

If no one knows, how do you come with stories about what is happening in those countries? And killing is what evil people do. You can't use them as a yardstick for Western morality unless you agree that they too are killers.

I never said you support evil, I said that those you support are tyrants.

Tyranny is evil in your worldview. True or false?

I support them because under them I have:
Freedom of speech
Freedom of belief
Freedom of association
Freedom of movement
Freedom from slavery
Right to dignity of human person.
Right to life etc
And most importantly, right to question them when they do questionable things, which those who live under tyranny do not have!

Do these good qualities now give them the right to go and kill millions of other people?

We are here to discuss geopolitics and not how people run their internal affairs. It's for the same reason you don't come to talk about democrats vs republicans in America. I am generally against the way Iran and North Korea treat their citizens but as far as I can tell, they are far less dangerous than the countries you support. By the way, Have you ever heard us insulting Switzerland, Ireland, Austria, etc? That should tell you that our problem is not with democracy

I think you are just running in circles at this point, and I have better things to do. I have proven to you that they're willing to work with anyone when their interests are met, and those that go against them are crushed. That, my friend, is tyranny on a global scale and it has consumed millions of innocent souls. You can support them for whatever reason, but don't come here to insult our intelligence. Thank you.

BREAKING:

BRICS is about to launch an investment fund managed by China's New Development Bank for member states, to rival the World Bank — Reuters

Thank you very much @soqmeov for helping me out. I hope he will comprehend it now.

Now let me make this point clear👉
The difference between our camp and yours is that, while ours have shortcomings, we know and acknowledge them, and ours don't go about preaching and imposing morals and ideals they don't adhere to.

Simple🥱

Thank you! I have never seen any of them criticize USA or Israel on this thread but what about us? We don't praise Iran's theocracy and we criticize them daily. We have placed Lord Putin on trial for treason. Our major concern is what happens at the international scene and right now, they're the lesser evil.

I already pointed out lies with Wikipedia links which you dismissed and started giving unverified conspiracy theories.

Guy, you only corroborated my claims with those Wikipedia links. I said they illegally invaded countries and worked with despots and terrorists (all of which you denied), then you went on to provide links proving they worked with Saddam, Gowon, Taliban, etc. Dictator Saddam gassed Iranians. Dictator Gowon starved millions of Igbo civilians to death. Taliban is a terrorist group, according to USA. You scored own goals and are now wondering why you didn't win the match. I'd also like you to point out the conspiracy theory.They placed a $10 million-dollar bounty on Jolani for terrorism. Yes or No? They celebrated his takeover of Syria and are now looking towards easing sanctions on Syria. Yes or no?

If you call the Gaza conflict a genocide, then you should also call Russia's killing of Ukrainian citizens a genocide.

Hamas is using human shields, bla-bla-bla.There is a solution to this. Provide 5 videos of Russia shooting civilians at close range, make sure there is no Ukrainian soldier in sight, and I will agree with you. Deal?

Have you forgotten how you first sent me to the 1950s?

1950 is post WW2. The UN charter was in place. But let's leave that. OK

Then I showed you Russia's coups at that time too.

We support evil, you don't. That is the rule.

Yes! I said that you guys love modern day despots, because you guys often praise them and say that we should emulate them

Vladimir Putin:
Xi Jinping:
Ali Hosseini Khamenei:
Kim Jong un:


All these despots are your role models. You started the whataboutism by taking us back to the 1950s instead of focusing on the present.

Guilty as charged. They all have repressive governments in the domestic scene compared to the West. Believe it or not, I'm pro-democracy too. But in all those atrocities you listed, you failed to add the worst of them all: total number of civilians killed.

Khamenei ascended to power in 1979 before the other gang members came into the scene, so let's start from 1979. How many non-combatants have they all killed since 1979 compared to USA alone?

Like I said, you are the one who took us to the cold war with that 1950s CIA act. If you can go all the way to the 1950s i can also go all the way to the 1940s.

Good and fine.

By the way you are dodging the question: Why do you hate the west for something that every nation has done?
Why not hate the whole world equally?
When Russia and co do it, you justify it but when the West does it, you condemn them. That's hypocrisy!

Refer to the beginning of the arguement. A said B supports evil. B agrees, then goes on to prove that A supports evil-Plus. EOD.

We've already talked about this ICC stuff before.

Like I said "They ARE not tyrants" not "They WERE not tyrants"

You have to draw the line. Tell us the exact year they stopped being tyrants so that we can judge properly. We're sure that as at 2024, they were still tyrants. A drug dealer doesn't go about threatening the judge when he has strong evidence of his innocence. You gave us a strong analogy in defence of Netanyahu. Let him use that to defend himself instead of forming Idi Amin on the jury

You're already given us the reasons why you hate the west, and Russia, China, Iran and north Korea and every country is guilty of the exact same thing. So what is your reason for supporting Russia, China, Iran, North Korea etc?

We support them because unlike you, we love authoritarians. You hate tyranny. You have conceded that just like the evil Eastern axis, the West are tyrants. So why are you still supporting the West?

LordAdam16:
Make that reason 974529352 why they should have acquired a nuke.

If Israel with the assistance they get from NATO could get a nuke and damn the consequences, heaven knows why they're dithering.
The economy excuse seems more boneheaded by the day. Can't have a sound economy without security.

-Lord

Gbamsolutely. Security is the most important priority. All these talks about Iran being a global threat will drastically wane once they conduct a test. We saw it with North Korea

BREAKING: Saudi Arabia secretly assisted Israel’s defense against Iran. Saudi Arabia provided radar data, shared intelligence and opened its northern airspace to Israeli jets, aiding in the interception of Iranian missiles. UAE and Jordan also participated in US-led defensive operations during the escalation – Israel Hayom


It's surprising that even a single Iranian missile managed to make it to Israel.

There is a serious conspiracy against Iran, and they might not be able to handle it all alone if Putin has truly sold them out.

Shocking AP footage shows US contractors cheering as their colleagues shoot Palestinians collecting food

Jovi10:
Don't mind him same USA who kept quiet and is still supporting the killers of kashiogi and they say they don't love tyrants.


Infact of we are speaking of tyrants from history, both queen of England should be first on that list before Adolf Hitler but we are not ready for that convo yet.

Same people who killed African leaders like Thomas Sankara and others because they wanted the best for their country. Make Una continue to they support them, that visa you're trading your soul to get, when you get to the embassy by God's grace they will reject you and if you're already in their country, by God's grace you'll be deported without any reason .

Visa kwa? Trump just militarized the ICE and opened Alligator Alcatraz, a beautiful mini island for them 😎

Lawag3:
I couldn't stop laughing when I read this Line.

It is a sad fact 😂😂

What's all this, an emotional breakdown? 

One moment, you're dropping links for me to research, the next moment, you're going on an emotional rant on how the west should have been a flawless civilization throughout history, redefining genocide, and spewing conspiracy theories not backed by any facts.

It is your job to point out the lies and prove my definition wrong. In an attempt to justify America's crime against democracy, you took us to the pre-world war 2 period so it is only logical, not emotional, that I bring up colonialism and even slave trade if I want.

You dropped twelve bullet points of so called “evils of the west” while ignoring the fact that virtually every nation on earth (including your precious Russia, China, Iran, North Korea etc) has at, at one point or the other done the same or even worse. This begs the question: if you hate the west for all the 12 points listed, why don't hate China, Russia, Iran, North Korea etc for the same reasons?
Going by your 12 points, you should hate every nation on the planet including your nation.

None of us here has ever said Iranians or Russians run a perfect system of government or they tolerate opposition or they never do wrong. You started by saying we love despots while the countries you love are not tyrants. I simply proved you wrong, and your decision to adopt whataboutism rather than to dispute my claims confirms that. You should be grateful that I have opened your eyes 😎😎

Instead you keep going back years into the past and saying: “eh eh eh but the west, thousands of years ago were evil Viking and stuff. why are you supporting people that were evil so long ago?”. It's funny, you even mentioned colonialism that happened over 300 years ago. No be only 300 years ago, if you like, you can go back ten thousand years ago, when the ancestors of the west were violent cavemen, that killed each other and say “you see, see how violent and evil they are”. The year's 2025 and you're still living in the 1500s.

Let me ask you something, can you even tell the difference between imperial Japan and modern Japan or Nazi Germany and modern Germany?
Are they the same to you?

After WWII, Germany, Japan, Korea and so many countries were virtually in ruins, but look at them today. Top world economies. While you're here still whining about colonialism.
When the West left Africa, did they take the land with them?
Is it not in Nigeria that we discovered crude oil?
Why haven't we developed despite the crude oil?
Is it also the west's fault?
Why didn't the west also prevent, the Asian tigers like Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan etc from developing?

Guy, save all these stories. You are trying desperately to change the topic. You said we love tyrants, and I proved to you that you also love tyrants and terrorists. You mentioned something the Soviet Union did to Iran before WW2 and I simply said you'll have to address colonialism if you want us to go pre-WW2. That's the only reason 'colonialism' appeared on my post. Shikena. No need for epistles.

And one more thing: i said “They ARE not tyrants” not “They WERE not tyrants”. Present tense not past tense. Maybe this is the problem with all you propagandists, you all live in the past instead of the present.

So where do we draw the line? Can you tell us exactly when they stopped being tyrants because as at 2024, they were threatening and blackmailing ICC judges with physical harm and sanctions 😂😂😂😂

See bro, you have every right to support who you want, but make sure you're honest about your reasons. That 'human rights' storyline is outdated. Even Americans don't use it anymore