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dermmy:
Something tells me Israel is not yet done with its assault they are just trying to use this ceasefire to buy time to learn and device a new strategy.

They're definitely not done. They are just waiting for their big daddy to send more money and toys. Iran cannot afford to slack again

sainttwist1:
bro I am also here to learn but I don't like propaganda

You can contribute by identifying and countering the propaganda.

sainttwist1:
Some of this "intelligent" nairaland war tactician are funny.......very funny set of people

Post your own. We are all here to learn

dermmy:
If they can go for the J-10C which is considered a 4.5 gen aircraft with the PL15-E missiles with a mixture of J-35 from China too they will be ok.

It's good indeed. They'd better send their soldiers to start training soon or find mercenaries

Alamkiir:
I don't know the capacity of j - 10 but anything better than what they currently have is good. I think finance is also an issue, so they should buy what they can afford.

I said this in the beganing of Iran-Israel war that Iran desperately needs fighter jet to secure their space but WriterrNg said it doesn't matter

I just finished reading about it. It seems decent, but let's hope it is not too late. They have stabbed themselves too many times

LordAdam16:
Until they arrive, do not hold out hope.

Iran is a certified tire kicker.

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To your follow-up question:
The J-10 is the best fighter jet Iran can lay its hands on today.
Russia, for various reasons, will be unable to hand Iran 3 to 4 squadrons of the Su-35 within a short timeframe.
Never mind the Su-57.
If it could, it would have already done so. Iran placed an order for Su-35s, trained pilots, built underground hangars for the jets.
Iran is still waiting.

The workhorse of the IAF are actually fourth-gen and earlier jets.
F-35I is the flagship, but they only have three squadrons.
They can only field 2 squadrons at any time. So they always have to deploy their fourth generation aircrafts.

The J-10C, with talented pilots, can go toe to toe with every fighter jet in Israel's inventory except the F-35I.
Combined with 5+ S-400 Air Defense Systems blanketing Iran, Iran becomes a fortress.
They need both. One without the other is incomplete.
Iran's capable indigenous Air Defense systems will augment and protect the S-400.
Iran's ADs are good enough to be supplementary, but they are incapable of being a first line of defense.

Iran did not deploy the full might of its air force in this war.
So its older airframes that would have been wiped out had they engaged with the IAF in the 12-day war would have a role when there are more layers of protection. They will hunt for drones and carry out strikes against infiltrators, enemy agents, and special operators.
They would also free up Iran's use of its own drones within Iran for added security.
Think several Mohajer-10s always airborne over the core areas of Tehran and high-value assets across the country during wartime.
Identify a sabotage unit, fire away immediately. Practical air borne snipers.

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4 squadrons is the minimum they need.
China produces 100+ J-20s per year. That's the more complex 5th generator fighter.
So Iran should be able to get the 40 J-10C in under a year, if they press, agree to pay a premium, and China is willing.

J-10C first. Then beg China to transfer a handful of J-20s. Then J-35s next year at the earliest (China currently has one squadron as of last count, so Iran would have to be patient).
Hire Pakistani pilots in the interim while Iranian pilots get familiar with the air frame and gain experience.

In my assessment, I will make the argument that Israel will push for a round 2 soon.
The longer it delays, the stronger Iran will become (assuming it promptly checks off its to-do list).
Iran will not stop at fixing its deficiencies. It will seek to gain capabilities that will give it the option to pre-emptively attack Israel.
That seems fanciful and like a bad joke today, but if China or Russia were in Iran's shoes right now, that would be a certainty.
So it is possible. BUT the Mullahs and the IRGC flag officer class do not inspire the confidence to definitively predict a timeline for that.

-Lord

Solid input, as usual 😎

Wow. Rejecting defense agreements, shunning nukes, rejecting the S-400, maintaining a useless airforcairforce; the blunders are endless. Bar the missile program, everything major thing Iran has been doing is lunacy at best. They should have learned from Pakistan. Pakistan remains somewhat on par with India despite their financial struggles. At least they've been studying their enemy and making moves accordingly. Media warfare is never enough. One has to be reactionary as well.

In addition to the jets, I expect them to have other agreements with China that could assist them in the short term, because Trump will be coming back again just as you've said.

basilico:
I have answered you just now . I got banned for quoting the Hamas charters of 2008 and 2017.

Don't bother yourself with that. I know much more about Hamas than you. Whatever their former or current objectives are, they're a direct result of Israeli atrocities which the whole world can see. Just justify the report below and tell me how Israel is not as bad as Boko Haram

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/17/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-gaza-aid-06-17-2025/da07a62e-4b4d-11f0-8fff-262d6ec54ab9_story.html

basilico:
I don't believe it. Haaretz has made false claims in the past. I doubt such orders have been issued. Provide me the full transcript of what that solder revealed. Or forever hold your peace

Ethiopian Sterilization Claim: Haaretz alleged forced sterilization of Ethiopian women, later retracted as unsubstantiated.

October 7 Atrocity Stories: Haaretz debunked false "beheaded babies" claims but was accused of selective focus.

ZAKA Misconduct: Haaretz reported ZAKA’s unverified horror stories, criticized for undermining Israeli narratives without fabrication

Which media House has never been caught lying? Here is a report from Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/17/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-gaza-aid-06-17-2025/da07a62e-4b4d-11f0-8fff-262d6ec54ab9_story.html

Go ahead and justify it. I'm waiting

Watcharena:
if Na righteousness ebi like he has more than 77k accounts on this nairaland

That's true o 😂😂😂😂

But no Wahala. I go block them all

Looks like Iran will be buying 40 J-10 fighters from China. Any thoughts on this? They seem outdated to me.

Alamkir:
I don dey reason the blocking sef

I have blocked two of his accounts so far but something told me to just play along for now. Let's see if he will change his ways

Alamkir:
Which is the reason why his thread is empty, even his own people didn't support him. Am sure he is enjoying this thread

Of course they won't support him. Convenient lies are still lies at the end of the day. I have no problem with pro-Israel news unless it is rife with lies and repetition. I can assure you that by next week, even pro Westerners will start blocking him.

@Basilico I dare you to come and explain this to me like a 3-year old. I'm all ears

IDF soldiers who ADMITTED they were given orders to shoot UNARMED Palestinians trying to collect FOOD at GHF distribution sites interviewed by Israeli newspaper Haaretz pic.twitter.com/KWrS9cJEae

— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) June 27, 2025

Alamkiir:
Seriously I still can't explain why Iran didn't aquire s400 very stupid decision. Apart from their tech brilliance, that country must be run like Nigeria with more corruption. But I will prefer they go for Chinese fighter jet and add Russia AD. If they can aquire this two things they are good to go

I have one answer in my head: arrogance

basilico:
Go read the charter of Hamas , which won elections in 2007 overwhelmingly.
And which makes Abu Mazen to not call for elections, because Hamas would win hands down.
You want me to quote the Original Hamas charter?

So you do know they have a new charter. That's a progress. Now how about I show you quotes from elected Israeli leaders calling for the extermination of Palestinians?

basilico:
Their priorities are upside down. They exist to dismantle the Jewish state. Jordan neighbour Israel, you don't hear them complaining.

They exist to dismantle the Jewish state even though the Jews came and met them there. Just listen to yourself 😂😂😂

Gospelpreacher1:
Damage to Iran’s ballistic missile program

🟦️ ISRAEL destroyed 200 missile launchers.

This represents about 50% of Iran’s ballistic missile launch capability.

🟦️ 35 missile production facilities were attacked.

This included Iran’s main EXPLOSIVES production site, as well as factories for making missile engine components and rocket fuel.

More and more fake news. Israel took out a lot of decoys. In the few real hits they got, we saw secondary explosions. And if you know what is 50% of their launchers, you should be able to tell us how many launchers they have in total (including the silos)

I hope mr Writerr that wants you here doesn't regret it, because you do nothing but paste fiction. I used to visit your thread for balance before I realized you are a pathological liar.

basilico:
This should answer you. Chatgpt.

Which countries are smaller than Gaza, independent and wealthy without oil?

The Gaza Strip has an area of approximately 363 square kilometers (140 square miles). To identify independent countries smaller than Gaza that are wealthy and not reliant on oil, I’ll use GDP per capita (PPP) as a measure of wealth, with a threshold above $40,000 to indicate high-income economies, and exclude countries where oil and gas contribute significantly to GDP (e.g., more than 20% of exports or economy). Below are the countries that meet these criteria, based on available data:

Singapore (647 sq km, GDP per capita ~$103,000): Smaller than Gaza in urban area (though total land is larger), Singapore is a global financial hub with negligible oil dependency, thriving on trade, technology, and services.

Malta (316 sq km, GDP per capita ~$48,000): An independent Mediterranean nation, Malta’s economy relies on tourism, financial services, and shipping, with no significant oil production.

Luxembourg (258 sq km, GDP per capita ~$131,000): A wealthy European microstate, Luxembourg’s economy is driven by finance, steel, and technology, not oil.

Liechtenstein (160 sq km, GDP per capita ~$197,000): This microstate thrives on banking, manufacturing, and low taxes, with no oil resources.

San Marino (61 sq km, GDP per capita ~$74,000): An independent enclave in Italy, San Marino’s wealth comes from tourism, banking, and manufacturing, not oil.

Andorra (468 sq km, GDP per capita ~$49,000): While slightly larger than Gaza, Andorra’s economy is based on tourism, retail, and banking, with no oil dependency.

Monaco (2 sq km, GDP per capita ~$240,000): A tiny, wealthy state, Monaco relies on tourism, real estate, and finance, with no oil production.

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They only know how to.build tunnels and rockets. Rely on aid for everything.

So for failing to be wealthy, they deserve to lose their homes daily and be murdered at will?

I dont even want to imagine what you think the developed world should do to Africans.

HolinessForever:
ISRAEL has confirmed 11 Iranian nuclear scientists killed.

Don't think I have forgotten about you. You must provide the names of those generals and scientists that you assassinated yesterday.

WritterNg:
⚡Israeli Army's officers and soldiers were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present.

Hundreds of Palestinians have been deliberately killed by Israeli soldiers near food distribution sites in recent days.

They are the most vile creatures on the planet. I can't believe it took this long before the world started opening its eyes.

@Basilico
And if Israel can keep their nukes because they haven't attacked anyone with them, then what do we do about USA?

And what has happened has happened. The Brits have imposed and empowered aliens on Palestine, and that's fine. Anyone seeking the expulsion of Jews from Israel is on a long thing. But that doesn't mean we have to support them as they seize lands and massacre innocent people at will. We will not support its reckless attacks on neighboring countries just because they are allies of the West. If they can agree to leave Palestinians alone and live peacefully with everyone, I'd become their fan.

basilico:
Iran doesn't need a nuke. Israel is not attacking anyone at all with their nukes , and if they have to , it will be the Samson option. We go down but all those beautiful cities in Europe, those cities, it will be a shame if something happens to them. Europe rushed to protect Israel from Iranian missiles while learning their own lessons. Soon every nation will have hypersonic missiles.
Who needs a war in the middle east. Only Iran . Saudi and other countries embracing Abraham Accords know their clerics and extremists are the ones who are concerned about the existence of Israel as a Jewish nation in territory once ruled by Muslims. The leadership doesn't care as long as they are in power.
If theocrats in Iran lose power to secularists then immediate threat to Israel goes away. They were sponsoring any one who could fight Israel.
The world has largely moved on ,only extremists and clerics give a hoot about Israel, Jerusalem ,or Jews.

I dont blame you. I too used to used to parrot this overused narrative in support of Israel before my eyes opened. Iran wants war and yet they didn't start this war or any other war in the Middle East, unlike the so-called responsible democratic countries. You should go and learn how the first coup in Iran occured and who backed Saddam Hussein as he murdered Iranians with chemical weapons. Iran was in the middle of negotiations when Israel and America executed a terrorist attack on its soil. Their officers have been killed within and outside Iranian territory for no justifiable reason, their embassy has been bombed, but it's all fair since it is Iran. You can believe whatever lies you want to believe but logical minds know that without nukes, Iran is just another Libya, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan in the making.

If religion is what makes countries oppose Israel, then I'd like you to explain to us why millions of Christians and atheists around the world supported Iran in this war.

And before you talk about Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, I want you know that I don't and will never see them as terrorist groups (esp the first two groups). I know what real terrorists look like, and they are all American brain children.

Mikasaobi:
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-live-pentagon-holds-irrefutable-press-conference-trumps-iran-strikes

Trump just presented a sanctions relief deal and 30 billion dollars investment in Iran civilian nuclear program I’m not gonna lie this looks like a really good deal. Iran doesn’t need nukes, if they can include peace in Gaza it’ll be fantastic. Although you can never trust the usa government, I just don’t know what the catch is in the deal.

The deal is good, but control of Iran remains their ultimate target. Look at what the Syrian jihadists are now getting away with. They've killed hundreds of Christians and Shiites but since they're puppets, you don't hear much cries from the West. So long as Iran doesn't become another gulf country, a nuke remains necessary for its survival. If they can't make one secretly, they must get some from North Korea and be ready to test it when the devil comes knocking again

LordAdam16:
E shock you ba?!
I'll share it today or tomorrow at the latest.

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Drone strikes + hacking the early warning system is also the only practical way for Iran to carry out assassinations.
An operation similar to how Hezbollah struck a cafeteria of the IDF during its war.

-Lord

I will be waiting for it o, because at that time it looked like they had perfected everything out with America. The highest military command had been taken out, the leader was hours away from death, and many first-world countries were collaborating to protect Israel from all retaliatory strikes. I contemplated it several times but I didn't see how Iran could get out of it without direct foreign intervention. Even Trump believed it was a checkmate

LordAdam16:
Israel had to agree to the ceasefire because once interception rate drops low enough, drone strikes will become more effective.
Iran will be able to blanket Israel with drones all day. Preserving its irregularly timed missile salvos for late at night and dawn.

If this had continued for a month, Israel would have started threatening to use nukes to preserve its existence.

-Lord

And they did become more effective. Iran stated that the 18th wave, which almost exclusively involved Shahed drones, was its most successful drone strike on Israel.

By the way, I'm still waiting for your analysis because I don't understand how you were so optimistic in the early days of the war.

shoodboi2:
You are the only one reporting this news. Even pro-Israeli channels are not saying such. Could you share your source with us?

It was a fake report that later got debunked and deleted by both Zionist and pro-Iranian sources, but arrogance didn't allow him to delete it. He is obviously not used to getting fact-ckecked.

WritterNg:
⚡Last night, Russia launched a combined attack on Ukraine using cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and Geran-2 drones. The targets for the missiles were the Starokostyantyniv Airbase and something south of Dnipro.

2 Kinzhal Ballistic missiles were launched by 2 MiG-31Ks from their launch lines in the Rasskazovsky District of Tambov Oblast. They flew to and impacted Starokostyantyniv Airbase in Khmelnytskyi Oblast. Neither of them was shot down.

10 Kalibr cruise missiles were launched from ships from the Black Sea Fleet stationed at Novorossiysk Port in Krasnodar Krai. They flew in 2 groups of 5, one to the vicinity of Dnipro, and the other to Starokostyantyniv Airbase. None were shot down, partially due to their late detection.

Geran-2 drones also targeted Starokostyantyniv Airbase, with at least 8 impacting targets not only at the airbase, but also closer to the city.

Russia has become a lot more intense since the start of Israel-Iran war. I will be surprised if they don't take the whole of Ukraine by the end of the year.

WritterNg:
They moved more THAADs from Europe and the US to place in Israel.

Israel became the most defended airspace on earth yet Iranian missiles passed through like it was nothing.

Exactly, and its small geographical size was an extra advantage for them. It can be concluded that without foreign assistance, Israel would have surrendered on day 7 at most. Like their pay masters, Israel is a paper tiger that relies on mob action to win fights.

WritterNg:
⚡U.S. Used Up 15-20 Percent of its Global THAAD Anti-Missile Arsenal in Just 11 Days of Mid-Intensity Combat. Cost Over $800 Million

The U.S. Army has been estimated to have consumed 15-20% of all munitions for its globally deployed arsenal of Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) long range anti-missile systems, after deployment to support Israeli air defences during the country’s 11 days of hostilities with Iran.

A highly specialised asset designed to intercept medium and intermediate range ballistic missiles, the U.S. Army fields seven systems across five air defence regiments, and is set to operationalise an eighth by the end of the year.

The systems are depended on to counter the arsenals of five potential adversaries including North Korea, China, Russia and Belarus, as well as Iran.

Video footage has shown the launch of 39 interceptors to intercept Iranian missiles from June 13-24, although only a small portion of launches were captured on film partly due to the strict wartime censorship that was put in place in Israel.

And there was nothing to show for it 😂

It's been reported that USA produces less than 80 THAAD interceptors per year, and they placed TWO of them in Israel. If they're not good enough to stop Iran, how exactly do they intend to fight China with these?

HolinessForever:

Facts of DELUSIONS...

Mr holiness, help us with the names and pictures of the deceased. I'm waiting.

HolinessForever:
Show your news!
Abi is it invincible!

You just decide to Deceive yourself by yourself and you know you are deceiving yourself.

How do you even feel, knowing you are feeding yourself with loads and baggages of lies/ non existing stuffs?


How do you feel? Pls tell me? It seems like it makes you happy outside but Deep down pains of the Reality of Defeat

IMAGINE KHAMENI MAKING VICTORY SPEECH from INSIDE BUNKERS!! D DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

Guy, wetin dey happen na? I said you can believe what you want to believe. Iran doesn't have a habit of lying about casualties, unlike Israel and they themselves said no one was killed or attacked in the incident. Since you insist that it is true, then keep your beliefs or at least share the names and pictures of the deceased.

We work with facts here.

HolinessForever:
DIS IS HOW U DECEIVE YOURSELF HERE WITH LIES

A DRONE STRIKE IS FIRE?

DELUSION IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

ANYWAY 3 TERRORISTS ARE ELIMINATED FROM " YOUR FIRE"
2IRGC and 1 Scientist

You are welcome to believe your fake news.

Meanwhile:

JUST IN: ISRAEL ADMIT HIT IRAN BASES AND THEY HAD TO HIDE IT

CH13's Raviv Drucker:

“There were a lot of missile hits in IDF bases, in strategic sites that we still don't report about...It created a situation where people don't realize how precise the Iranians were and how much damage they caused”