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TheSuperNerd:
Simple. And I know you know but you are acting like you don't understand his point.

He used them to show that first team players can still be involved in scrimmages in a side's feeder team be it U-23 or a youth team like the U-19s or U-18s. Even Hazard have featured for the Chelsea U-23s abi na U-21s before when he was returning from an Injury setback. But it didn't mean he is a youth player. That is the simple point you are working so hard to ignore.

Wetin dey do you sef? You no fit just grab the simple matter ehn? Kilode? Cho Cho Cho Cho Cho... You no dey tire?... Ahn ahn...

Please, answer me this last time.

Was Alex Iwobi Arsenal first team member or an academy player before he was called to the national team?

I don't need stories these precious days.

Icon4s:
See another twisting. You want to twist the argument again.

Please show me where I said Iwobi played for "Arsenal U23" before playing for Nigeria.

If you don't understand English comprehension get an interpreter.

Why did you stylishly use Iheanacho and Musa playing for U23 as a case study?

You think say na you get sense pass, fa?

Icon4s:
The confirmed fact is that you are a "Fact twister".

Alex Iwobi was enlisted as a Senior team player right from the commencement of the 2015/2016 season. He was already training with the senior team members even after his preseason showing and making match day squads.

He only made his début after playing for Nigeria. That doesn't mean he was an academy player as at when he played for Nigeria. He was already making Arsenal's bench.

It is Normal for young newly promoted players to still be taking part in Youth games especially as they are not yet getting playing time with the senior team so as to still keep fit.

Iheanacho even after being promoted to City's senior team still played U23 football at that time.

Even Ahmed Musa at a time started playing for Leicester U23 team does that make him an academy player?

So your twisted fact that Iwobi was picked straight from the academy is a big fat twisted lie.

You just dey make people dey insult you here because of these your twisted approaches.

I am done please.

The bolded is the Koko and snapshot showed he last played for Arsenal U19 academy (not U23) before he was called to the national team. Gbam

If you like lie till thy kingdom come. You can't change the fact on ground.

Joebie:
OKOCHA!!!

Hahahaha!

chrisooblog:
precisely my point if according to you gbenga was already doing well in Barcelona and benefica how is it national team that boosts your career

National team boosts players players career. You can take that to the bank.

Here we are saying, Iwobi was an academy player in Arsenal U19 academy team before he was called to the national team Fact.

Therefore, the same gesture should be extended to Eze and Maja.

edi287:
So why do you think Oliseh invited him?? Remember he was initially invited for the U23 but Wenger refused. Oliseh capped him and set him back to train with Siasia.

Because we wanted him to play for the U23 and to do that he must play for the SE first because he was not eligible to play for the U23 team due to the fact that he already played for England underage team.

Why Oliseh invited Iwobi – Dikko


3 years ago

Shehu Dikko

The 2nd Vice-President of the Nigeria Football Federation (NFF), Shehu Dikko, has clarified why Super Eagles handler, Sunday Oliseh, invited Arsenal’s U-21 player, Alex Iwobi, for next month’s friendlies against Cameroon and DR Congo.

Iwobi, 19, was handed a late invitation by Oliseh and Dikko says it is because U-23 coach Samson Siasia, needs the teenager for the U-23 and he must play at full international stage for Nigeria to make that possible.

“The call-up to Iwobi is simple a footballing as well technical one and for the good of the country. Iwobi has declared intention to represent Nigeria and he is good enough to represent Nigeria at U23 level. However, as he has played for England at the junior level he cannot play for Nigeria again at the junior level as FIFA would only approve his change of Nationality if he plays for the main Super Eagles,” Dikko wrote on his


“Therefore, his call-up now is to get his nationality change sorted and thus make him available to play for the Nigeria U23 If selected.

"Hence, Oliseh called him up on the request of Siasia who wants to use him for the U23s and by this action Nigeria will have secured his allegiance and this would also further motivate other players like him to come along.



https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://dailypost.ng/2015/09/27/why-oliseh-invited-iwobi-dikko/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwijls-5gv7dAhVMiRoKHQZADaEQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2qjxvlvwwSiQP3NdrjZYiN&ampcf=1

edi287:
Iwobi made his debut against Sheffield United. Before that he played in Preseason against Lyon and scored.

Icon4s:
Forget those two guys. Their usual way of twisting facts to bring a player down.

Always fighting dirty, little wonder they easily receive insults from peeps.

Which fact is twisted?

Did Iwobi play one single match for Arsenal in the league or league cup competition before he was called to play for the SE? Yes or No?

When did Iwobi play for Sheffield Wednesday? Before or after he played for Nigeria?


Now look below.

Iwobi already played for the SE before he made his debut for Sheffield Wednesday. Fact

The purple line showed Iwobi was plucked from the Arsenal U19 academy team straight to the national team which is the red line before he made his debut for the Arsenal against Sheffield Wednesday as you can see the blue. Icon4, you are not dull enough to difference the date. Are you?

So, don't come here to twist fact but accuse others.

Else tell me the fact that was twisted?

Joebie:
Lol Wait make afenifere decide before u shout

Nobody takes Afenifere seriously these days.

They are inconsequential.

edi287:
Iwobi made his debut against Sheffield United. Before that he played in Preseason against Lyon and scored.

Yes, I know but was it right after he played for Nigeria in September.

Preseason can't be counted as a competitive match. No country invites players based on preseason performance. None

Icon4s:
Was the state/standard of the national team when Iwobi broke-in in 2015 same as the current standard in 2018?

This is not like mathematics where 1+1=2 both in 1830 and in 2018.

Haha the bar has been raised bro.

I gave a simple example of how Iheanacho would not have smelt the national team during the era of Martins, Yakubu, Ike Uche, Utaka and Osaze. The bar was a lot higher then.

And our dream is to continue to raise the current bar so that only players with proven quality can make it in.

Which bar? We say cap somebori, you dey yan bar.

ChrisKels:
How fortunes turn in football is quite funny, Joel Asoro was the more respected youngster in the Sunderland ranks prior this season, in fact, Maja played second fiddle to him, hence didnt get much recognition. Asoro was too big to go down to the league 1 with Sunderland, he instead remained in the championship though with Swansea, leaving Sunderland with the less heralded Maja. Today, Maja is the toast ahead of Asoro, and he is doing it from a league lower than Asoro's. News reaching our desk, has it that Maja is a sure bet for Southampton and or Newcastle, come January but they will have to fight off other bigger epl clubs who view the youngster as the real deal. It is almost certain that Maja wont stay in the league1 past the winter transfer window as he is looking to follow in the foot steps of lookman, Alli et al who made the big leap to the EPL from the league 1

Hmmm!

TheSuperNerd:
Before that DRC game, Wenger had already shown signs of his plans to involve Iwobi in the first team naa. Is that one hard to grab? See ehn... Oga Chrisooblog don narrate am for you finish. Refer to his comment... I wan save time. Even Edi287 drop some stuffs on the matter... abeg check am. No time for more talk. Lol

Show plan! Ok na. I hear but it doesn't change the facts on ground.

TheSuperNerd:
Well, capping Josh may have to wait a little more because Rohr called up 8 forwards for this game and there is even no Kayode or Simy. I don't mind us capping the lad but again it depends on if Rohr is willing to pay the price of dropping any of the 8 forwards he invited for the Libya game in the next window come November.

So time will tell.

No worries. Na to dey observe I dey.

TheSuperNerd:
Well he didn't because he had Igboun. Iwobi was a newbie just coming in. Iwobi could be used on the wings and through the middle and most important of all he is a creative player. Oliseh brought him in because of that and to do that, he had to cap him of course but even Iwobi's allegiance was not sealed until we capped him in a competitive game.

It is a simple truth. We were in need of more quality options in the creative dept and Oliseh saw that Iwobi's talents could serve us for a long time and today we are enjoying that foresight.

Akuko!

Joebie:
Hahahahahaha

Me don commot mind for SE matter for now. I don port go politics section be dat.

Said Buhari!

Danielnino00:
Iwobi isn't foreign born. .is he?/

No be Lagos dem born am?

FB is any player groomed abroad and eligible to play for more than one country. You know better.

komekn:
Sone Aluko di not leave, check your history and look at the impact Sone Aluko had for the SE then explain why he was dropped. But dont imply in such a way it misleads as if he refused to honour invitations to the SE.

It was a very misleading narrative.

Agreed without any iota of reservation.

TheSuperNerd:
Well, that is why we invited Isaac "The Beast" Success.

And Josh Maja is not better than what we've got. He is doing it in league one for goodness sake. Is league 1 as tough as the Championship now? Tammy scored goals for fun in the championship and didn't deliver in the EPL. Let Josh Maja show his stuff on a bigger stage because even a flop Ighalo once shone in the EPL. No way is Josh better than what we have as options in the CF role.

There is difference between cap and better. I am talking about the former.

chrisooblog:
iwobi had impressed in pre-season with Arsenal that's what got him his first invite for the friendlies against cameroon and congo dr. it was his impressive performance for Arsenal in the latter part of the season like the match against everton where he scored his debut goal that really earned him his first competitive call up against egypt. even at that he came off the bench in that match.

no doubt about it iwobi was already in the periphery of the Arsenal first team squad for the 2015/2016 season and not this propaganda you and your tagteam partner are spewing giving the impression that alex was plucked from the arsenal u19s straight to national team

if you erroneously think the national team boosts people career how come sunday mba, agbim, igboun, rueben gabriel, odunlami, oshaniwa, mobi okparaku, gbenga okunowo just to mention a few didn't go on to have long illustrious careers

Gbenga Okunowo was already an established player with Barcelonia first team but was never called to the national team during his stay there. It was when he was in Benfica he got a call to the national team. Fact.

Joebie:
Oga read my piece again. Make sure ur comprehension is on point.

Alright! No worries.

Danielnino00:
Did I say it was.our first or second time ??/

Can u even mention any national team in the world that use serious competitive games to test young unproven players??

Is the Cameroon national team dead without Mbappe?

Were we not serious when we invited Iwobi?

Icon4s:
Wait, do you and Forgiveness usually have a meeting every morning and decide on what and what to say or what to defend? Some people are already insinuating you are one person.

The same gimmicks. Now because u want to promote Josh Maja, you are trying so hard to pull Iwobi down.

Honestly, people that engage u guys on long arguments dey try.

Hahahaha!

chrisooblog:
iwobi had impressed in pre-season with Arsenal that's what got him his first invite for the friendlies against cameroon and congo dr. it was his impressive performance for Arsenal in the latter part of the season like the match against everton where he scored his debut goal that really earned him his first competitive call up against egypt. even at that he came off the bench in that match.

no doubt about it iwobi was already in the periphery of the Arsenal first team squad for the 2015/2016 season and not this propaganda you and your tagteam partner are spewing giving the impression that alex was plucked from the arsenal u19s straight to national team

if you erroneously think the national team boosts people career how come sunday mba, agbim, igboun, rueben gabriel, odunlami, oshaniwa, mobi okparaku, gbenga okunowo just to mention a few didn't go on to have long illustrious careers

Alex Iwobi was plucked straight from the arsenal U19 academy straight to the national team and was sent back to the same academy after he played for the SE. Fact


The snapshot proved he was plucked from the Arsenal U19 academy to the national team and still played in the same team after the match. It is clear. On the 29 -09 2015, he played for Arsenal U19 academy and that game was against olympiacos. It was right after that match he was called to play his first match against Dr Congo and Cameroon.

There's nothing wrong in capping a talented FB.

TheSuperNerd:
Oliseh only had his eyes for Mikel and a certain Sly Igboun. He then looked the way of Iwobi as he neither considered a Sone Aluko nor an Ajagun. It was Oliseh's insight and foresight and the opportunity to bring in a fresh high potential creative talent that made Oliseh go for Iwobi. The lad was already getting into the picture of things in the first team at Arsenal under Wenger and Oliseh picked up on that and acted on it.

Why he played Iwobi there was because he started Igboun as AM. Mikel played a bit deeper in midfield in same lineup. Iwobi came in as a sub in both games against DRC and Cameroun. Oliseh was easing him in.

Let the same foresight and insight be used to invite Josh Maja and Ebere Eze.

There was nothing like high potential creative talent because Iwobi was simply unknown. We just capped him.

Which picture of things in Arsenal first team?

Oga! Oliseh didn't bring Iwobi to play any AMF position. Fact. No call dog monkey for me abeg.

chrisooblog:
this is what you said before you go and change it

Did you see only there?

komekn:
STRONGLY Agreed without one iota of reservation and or question

Hahahaha!

komekn:
GBOZA truth can bitter.

This type of behaviour is rife across Africa.

Hahahaha! Exchange hand syndrome.

Icon4s:
Mikel was not being played as an AM then. It was Aluko in the last days of Keshi. Mikel started playing AM under Siasia's 2016 Olympics team. Iwobi was introduced in 2015 alongside Silvester Igboun.

Aluko and his club were related and Oliseh came in with a policy of no lower league player in the Super Eagles. I am sure u recall. So Aluko's position in the team became vacant and Iwobi came in and made us not miss Aluko.

Now on the issue of foreign born. I hope u know, or maybe u had not joined this forum, I was about the first here to recommend Iwobi to the SE. Even then he was no longer an academy player but a senior team player. You have once again started with ur gimmick of pulling down a player just to make ur point.

And I have always opined that only foreign born players who can add value should be invited. I am only against the indiscriminate call of every Dick and Harry born in Europe.

Why did Oliseh play Alex Iwobi on the RW and not in the AMF position?

Why was Ikeme called from the same Championship if Oliseh stick to his low league policy?

Why was Rabiu Ibrahim and Madu called from obscure Slovenia league too?


Iwobi never played a single match for Arsenal before he was called into the national team. It's a pure undiluted fact and not gimmick of bringing down nada.

Abi make I lie?

Eze and Maja will add value to the team. EOD

TheSuperNerd:
Well, you cannot blame Cameroun. Mbappe was already being capped at U-17 level by France and he moved up the grades and even won the U-19 Euros with a generation that had Jean Kevin Augustin (RB Leipzig now), Lucas Tousart (Lyon now), Issa Diop (now at West Ham) and Alban Lafont (at Fiorentina now). That team was already in France's future plans. Cameroun had no chance unless you are saying they would have spotted Mbappe when he was like 12 years old... Lol... And bring him into their U-13 team. Truth is there is no guarantee to what the future of a player holds. You only speak now because of hindsight which is so easy to do.




In any case... Cameroun still conquered Africa without Mbappe and a host of their star names who boycotted the team, did they not?

No need for too much story. Hear from the father's mouth. Cameroon fa was to be blamed.

“I wanted my son to play for Cameroon national team but the football federation charged a certain amount that I didn’t have but France didn’t charge me a penny,” Mbappe said.

I wanted my son to play for Cameroon but their football federation wanted money ...
https://matookerepublic.com › 2018/07/19

TheSuperNerd:
Iwobi was called up not just as a prospect but also to address a problem in the team in the Attacking Midfield roles. Oliseh picked that up when he called up the lad.

But in the case of Josh Maja... We have a couple of others also doing very well in their leagues of his age range like Osimhen and Awoniyi plus the mighty fact that we are well stocked in the attacking Dept. Josh cannot displace anyone in that team. Fact. But Iwobi could slot in because we were lacking options in the creative dept.

Alex Iwobi was never brought to the team to address the AMF problem. He was just brought into the team to be capped. That's all.


When he made his debut against DR Congo, he was played on the RW. When Oliseh played him against Cameroon in the next match, he was played on the same wing.

Why did Oliseh not use him on that role in two friendlies for that matter to see if he can address the issue?

Don't forget, Oliseh didn't bother to use him to address any problem in the two crucial matches against Swaziland.

Make una no deceive us here.

chrisooblog:
we are not comparing 2004 to 2009 you blatantly said osaze only started playing well in 2009 abi i lie?

Where did I write ONLY?

TheSuperNerd:
We also called up a new player from the championship in Semi Ajayi. It shows we, at the very least, are trying to recruit some good quality out of the very many FBs out there.

And I am for us capping as many as we can but the reality is that it won't happen that way. That is the truth. We have a team we are building upon and we cannot call up all those names you reeled out at the same time or within same period.

Do you remember when the long list of FBs used to include Iwobi, Aina, Idowu, Ebuehi, Semi Ajayi (when he was at Arsenal youth), etc?

Now look how far we have come... We got some of these now and so far our recruitment of these players have been largely vindicated. They are all contributing in their own ways to the good and growth of the team. But it all did not happen at once. Team building must be considered alongside the recruitmemt drive. It is not all that straightforward.

The only negative I see now is missing out on capping Eze Ebere in this international window. He addresses a problem we have in the team. But now Rohr admits his mistake stylishly and now knows he would have to go through the wahala process of switching allegiance to Nigeria from England after the lad is capped for the England U-20s. And I believe even Ebere Eze is willing to switch as it is his dream to play for us according to the last time I read reports on his international aspirations. But we must make the first step by beginning his allegiance switch process and I hope we do.


Now in conclusion... I understand England is a threat to us having some of these quality youngsters hence the need to beat England at their own game but I cannot say now that because of these, we must prioritise the FBs first and only above our other fine prospects of indigenous extraction that are now based in Europe. We must be balanced in our approach to both camps of prospects. Josh Maja is a fine prospect but so also is Awoniyi, Osimhen and a host of others.

I would say that we make the most pressing issues in our team the topmost priority, before any other, among the foreign borns in our recruitment drive. If I were head of the scouting and recruitmemt team, this will be my approach. It would be targeting first the FB prospects that addresses the weakness in our team before considering going after any other FB prospect that only multiplies our options in our strong depts. Finito.

I never said cap all these players at once. I am saying cap the ones that have pledged to play for us and are currently doing well. Especially, Eze and Josh Maja who are currently in the radar of big clubs and are currently in the form of their life.

How long does it take to cap a player?

If you are talking about pressing issues, then we have problem with the CF position.