triplechoice:




Babies can never be born atheist or anything else..The reason is very simple. A new born is yet to display the kind of brain activity needed to hold or lack any kind of believe.

Saying that babies are born atheist is as silly as saying that they can also be born with common sense or without it. A new born baby not developed the neural development to have or lack common. And who is that fool that would accuse a new born baby of lacking common sense or having it?

So my friend , your claim that babies are born atheist doesn't find any scientific support. .

I already told you that such talk of babies being born this or that is psychological gimmick to brainwash the gullible into accepting as true something that's not true.

Christians are claiming that babies are born sinners, while Muslims are also claiming that every baby is born a Muslim, why? The answer should be obvious to anyone who can really think with their brains.

It's the same tactics hawkings wanted to employ to get people into accepting atheism as the default position. When he came up with silly idea, some atheist even mocked him by labelling him an atheist crusader trying to convert the whole world into atheism.

You not aware of this if not you won't be here mentioning it or even trying to defend it. It's very clear to me you became an atheist just yesterday. You will learn very soon and calm down.

You unfortunately allowed yourself to be brainwashed by something that's not true and because of that can't see how you're not making sense defending it.

A brainwashed person is never aware of their brainswashing and that's a proven psychological fact. The only way to know you're not brainwashed by something is when you're not afraid or unwilling to question it.

You're not questioning what hawkings claimed but defending it because you believe he's above deception

Please understand I'm not judging you as a brainwashed, but saying that you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed .

Visit the site " Psychology Today" and learn more about what hawkings wanted to do with that very silly claim of his. This is the third time I have asked you to research it , but you're not listening. It's your cup of tea .

Good evening. I'm done with you for now.

The post was supposed to be for KnownUnknown but since you are here. Enchanté.

If you don't get it now, then I'm sorry. Peace and love.

Just make use of your dictionary for once and we are ait.

Atheism is simply the lack of believe in the existence of deities, period.

It doesn't say anything about why(reasons)/when you do not believe in the existence of deities. (Why you do not believe is your own cup of tea, it doesn't concern atheism. The same way why anyone would follow Jesus is not a concern of christianity)
Just don't believe in deities, that's all you need to be an atheist.

Again! Atheism is not about the reason you are an atheist. Just don't believe in the existence of deities. Then you are an atheist. Once we understand this English grammar, life is easy and sweet.

Babies do not understand the concept of deities(which is a reason atheism isn't concerned about), but as long as we can't rule out the fact that they do not believe in the existence of deities(Non-thiest) . They are simply atheists.

Atheism is what you are and not why you are what you are.

I don't know where many of you get this misinformed opinion that atheism has to be a kind of choice being made. Religious indoctrination has eaten deep into most of you. But that is not how reality operates.

Sometimes atheism is basically what you are not. And not what you are. I guess many of you don't really understand what atheism is. That's the reason you argue unnecessarily.

Lemme school you a lil bit.

In a probability event of a coin.

When a coin is tossed, There are only two possible outcomes.

It's either it's the Head or the Tail.

The outcome can only be a Tail if it is not a Head. i.e T= not H
And the outcome can only be a Head if it is not a Tail. i.e not Tail.

It's the same in digital circuits for the Truth Table NOT Gate, that uses 0 and 1, for ON and OFF respectively.

Your power outlet socket at home is either Off or On. For whatever reason your socket doesn't have power, it is off. Even if the switch is on.

Even in BOOLEAN Algebra and programming.

It is 1, when it is not 0. And it is 0, when it is not 1.

Also with one of Aristotle's Laws of Logic known as:
•The Law of Noncontradiction
Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility. There is no third ground.

Either Thiests or Non-Thiests.

In electricity, it's either the electrons are flowing or not.

Lemme use something you can take with.
Here in naija. When there is H.E.P, whether the voltage is good or bad. We say there is light. The opposite of that is No Light.


That's how reality works. If you are not a good person, then you are a bad person. There is no middle ground.

Whether you know it's an offense or not. Once you commit and the law gets it's grip on you. You are a goner. (ignorance is not an excuse)

Using the law of Logic.

•The Law of Identity
Two entities x and y are identical if they share the same properties.

Babies do not believe in the existence of deities. Atheists do not believe in the existence of deities.

•The Law of Noncontradiction
Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility.

Either you are a Theist or a Non-Thiest (atheists).
Babies are not theists. Therefore, atheists.

•The Law of the Excluded Middle
An entity x has or does not have a property P

Atheism has nothin in common with theism likewise theism doesn't have any property of atheism.

Babies show no features of theism, therefore atheism.

I just explained a concept of the Logic table in statistics. You should pay me for the free lecture.
Budaatum was very right and will be forever right to say "She was born an atheist"

Also I'm less concerned about your religion or "non religion". It's non' my business. It's not like my name is in your will.

By the way. I've been an atheist prolly since when you were still being dressed up for school by your guardian.

ednut1:
useless but has 2 children with her And paying child support. Naso

Did he marry the useless thing?

Omoawoke:


Go to mrcorks first posts on nairaland since 2013, over 10 years now. He has been so consistent with the light skin , live in London, Mercedes..dude has a decade experience in trolling

Mamagee has been here since 2009, 15 years of experience

Seun should give this guys awards honestly

Mrcorks, 2013?

MrCork had been here longer than that. I knew his moniker since before 2010. I think he was using MrCork8 and pumpumking or was it pumpumprince?

MrCork has been here for more than 15years

iTroll:
@ the topic
Mention them…, them whose tears make the section both unbearable and interesting

They are just hungry, broke and very ugly things. We don't take them seriously.

Cizarr:
This one is a thief...na that greediness go render her single for life

You no know say this girl dey very ugly for real life?

ednut1:
he has two children with the woman he didn’t do prenup with and 3 other children with other woman. As experienced as he is he is believing a woman’s assurance that has no legal backing when taken to court in event of a divorce. The joke is on you 🤣

The killer move was that he was able to dump the useless thing at the altar.
Na that one sweet me pass.

triplechoice:
Thank you very much.But you noticed that one of the synonyms for irreligious is freethinker? How would you know if I'm that?

Are atheist or theist freethinkers? No way
Please use your brain and learn to Judge people by what they do and say and not what you assume about them.


Your wrong assumption about my person is why you're doing all of these.


Before now, you assumed, like an average religious person who doesn't think, I was a Christian and wanted to put the blame on me for your inability to prove how exactly babies are atheist.

This time around, you're clutching at straws to stay afloat.

Just focus on the discussion at hand,and quite trying to cast me in a mould of your choice to help you win an argument. You don't know anything about me . Nothing at all.

The claim that babies are atheist is not your idea. It's Hawking's. But you're here regurgitating it is if you thought it out yourself. . Because he said so ,he must be correct. Not so?

Just so you know, Budaatum was the one who used that phrase in this thread. I defended It because i agree to it.

Remember to take something warm before bed. Don't take coffee though and be sure to close your mouth while sleeping.

People wey go good school don understand me. Who says it's an offense to lack understanding? We are thankful for life bro.

Have a good evening.

ednut1:
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/720765-stephen-jackson-prenup-wife-statement

Married another woman without a pre nup. Hmmmm

I guess you didn't read this part.

She continued. "Would I have signed one? Yes, Therefore he knew a pre-nup wasn’t necessary with me. I made it TO, THROUGH and PASS the altar with him, strictly on LOVE so I could care less about anything from his past... , Stephen and I are happily married with no pre-nup, no child support obligations no strings attached, nothing just pure genuine LOVE ❤️... "

Have you checked how much the woman, Tamara Jackson is worth?

😂😂😂 . At that point where she refused to sign that papers. The guy was going to be like, "what's the heck is your usefulness that you think you are worth half my shit?"

Once every rich dude out there can ask themselves what the usefulness of their patner is. They'd realize that 21st century women that are not relatives are completely useless to men. They are nothing useful

KnownUnknown:


There is no difference between tizizi and deity except that Tizizi is behind you right now but invincible.

You say tizizi is just a word but so is diety and until the child is acquainted with the concepts they signify you can’t just slap any label on them.
Theism is a belief in a deity, but you have to be aware of the concept of deity before you can be a theist, polytheist, or atheist. You not also do not need belief or non belief when you can just dismiss the concept as rubbish after understanding it.

To use your criteria again, this is how children see all concepts they are unaware of:

You already answered your own question. Deity, is not a concept of believe or a non believe to a child.
It basically just a word.
And they simply did not understand, therefore they have a non-understanding of the word. They lack the understanding of the word.

Do you have belief or non belief in Tizizi? Or do you acknowledge that it’s something I made up?

Once you can understand that, you can move beyond atheism or claiming others are atheists when they say they are not.

Babies can't be born indifferent and they can't be born neutral. Babies are born fully equipped with all the necessary senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch.

Since they are not born with any belief, they only make sense of their environment using their senses. And that's how they build their understanding right from small, a kind of believe.

When a child cries and you put a mother's nipple in the baby's mouth, at that time . The baby believes anything that comes into the mouth should quench the feeling of hunger.

To say babies are born neutral or indifferent is a total error. I might agree with "babies are born innocent".

I've told you. It's in your dictionary. I can't be sorry because you refuse to read it.

Anyone that doesn't have even the littlest form of belief in the existence of deities is an atheist.
A baby is non-religious or Igtheist at best. Therefore, an atheist by proximity.

Lemme ask a question .

If you raised a child in an environment where no one mentions anything about deities. By that time the child is 20. When anyone tells him anything about God.

What will be the response of the child?


Now back to the point. If tzizi was a word and people who understand tzizi are called theists.
What will be called of people who don't understand the word "tzizi"?

•Atheists are people who do not believe in the existence of deities.
•Babies do not have the ability to believe in the existence of deities.
Therefore,
•Babies are atheists.

That is abductive reasoning in critical thinking.
It's a very intriguing topic in psychology and philosophy.

Modified:

Anyone or anything| anyone.

kkins25:
What do you mean, triplechoice, when you say "babies aren't born atheist"?

Lol! You dey mind those ones wey no know anything 😂

triplechoice:


Life is not black and white only. I'm irreligious.

All there is that is sure is that. Mathiastelins with six heads, the true God created you.

triplechoice:
https://www.chinasource.org/resource-library/blog-entries/are-most-chinese-really-atheists/

The Pew review doesn't give an accurate description of things. Read why from the above or meet up with Chinese people here in Nigeria to tell you the truth.

Lol! Same estimation from different sources yet you claim injustice.
Nwanne, have you ever been to China?

triplechoice:


Life is not black and white only. I'm irreligious.

I no dey chat too much these days. Enjoy the below.

triplechoice:

I'm afraid you're only willing to see things through the lens of your atheistic position.

Why not born neutral, agnostic , irreligious or even indifferent?

Why are atheists the only ones making such claim about babies?

Remember I said talk like yours are psychological gimmick to get people into accepting something as true without questioning it. Calling it a psychological gimmick is putting it euphemistically. It's actually a lie,a brainwashing tool used by cult groups to control the thinking of their followers.


If you do a little research on this, by visiting the site , " Psychology Today" you will find different variants of it so you know what you're actually doing without you being fully aware . Other atheist are making the same claim everywhere,and because of that you think it's the correct thing to say.



Nothing wrong if you choose non belief, atheism,but to label every baby as atheist is wrong. Nothing substantial to support your claim.


The adult atheist lack of belief is founded on something, the absence of any verifiable evidences for gods and the supernatural. Babies have no such considerations. They have not considered any evidence for or against anything to lack belief or disbelieve.


Babies are born neutral, neither believing or disbelieving anything.atheism.

They shouldn't be labeled as atheist just because of the presence of theist . It's casting them in a particular mould even before they're ready to form their own minds on anything.

No one is born an atheist. If that were true we would be seeing evidences of babies of certain age everywhere displaying strong apathy for anything God or the spiritual once the topic is introduced to them for the first time.

Now lemme give you a smack down. I want to win flawlessly. 100% fatality. Emi ika.

Let's get this over with once and for all.

Of which religion are you?
Lemme expose you lies.

triplechoice:


@ the bolded, I'm not a Christian please.

Babies are not born atheist. It's what you have been made to believe by other atheist before you.

This is one of the phrases I hate the most in my life. If not that my eagle just landed, I would have said some really abrasive stuff to you.

Are you saying you can't think for yourself with your head, but you rely on what other people think as a blueprint for living your life?

Do you think everyone is dumb that other people can make them believe whatever?
Are you that kinna person?

Please I beseech you. Moving forward, never use that statement when chatting to me.

triplechoice:

You're relying on an incomplete definition for atheism to label babies as atheist. You're defining it as a lack of belief in gods,and ending it there. What of the "due to the absence of verifiable evidences for gods" Include the other part and see if you make sense.

Check your dictionary. What does it say? You and that other guy are birds of feather.

Atheists are critical thinkers, a skill non-atheists will never possess .

You/someone said sometime ago that some people became atheists due to disappointments or emotional consequences. Can these people be also categorized under people who became atheists due to the absence of verifiable evidences for God?

People turn atheists for different reasons.
Whatever you have added is only a figment of your own imagination to give you sweet dreams. That's not atheism in the grand scheme of things

triplechoice:

Modified. 1. You lied about China. There are no such adults in China who haven't heard the word god or what's called god in Chinese. Because you hear that China is a predominate atheist country, you just assume the majority there are atheist
Not true.

This was what I said:

There are adults in China that if you prolly talked anything about God to 'em, they'll prolly just look at you like you are sick.
Their brain just lack the ability to understand how such things can ever work.

Now, how is this tantamount to "There are adults who have never heard about God in China"?
I'm a Nigerian and I always see christians especially, as people who are mentally ill whenever they are on about that Jesus thing. Does that mean I've never heard about God?

You really need to hone your comprehensive skills.

Do you know why nobody can gainsay me in a debate? It's because I always know what I talk about, and not just knowing. I have a deep understanding of them.
If you wanted to defeat me. You need to find a way to drag me into what I know but do not understand. That's how you can have anything on me.

triplechoice:

To put it a proper context, predominate atheist country means, China is a country where we have more atheist than anywhere else in the world. It doesn't mean the majority are atheist. They have their own traditional religion which most of them subscribe to
It's atheist propaganda talk to declare China an atheist country. It's the government that's atheist,not everyone or majority Only a few are atheist when you consider the entire population

Lol😂😂😂 Comedian. See the way you are sweating.

https://www.wionews.com/web-stories/world/top-10-most-atheist-countries-1689591277515


I no dey like talk too much these days. I go just attach a screenshot from Gallup's poll as seen on Wikipedia. And a report from other survey

triplechoice:

2. Not knowing about deities shouldn't translate into atheism
You're saying that because that's the only thing you know or can think of
You can describe them as indifferent or neutral. That's better

I got questions for ya . What is a person who does not believe in the existence of deities called?
Do babies believe in the existence of deities?

BTW, you no be atheist?
Wetin you come dey do o? You dey worship water?😂😂😂

Benoxvals:


Caskets are just carved designed wood that can be used for couple of things:-burials,movies(comedies) and entertainment(wwe).
Are u saying that we are all insane for walking on the ground surface where people are buried beneath?

If you don born pikin, dey carry am inside casket

KnownUnknown:


Which is what anyone who doesn’t have an idea of god would say. Or like very young children say” what is that?”
You wouldn’t call such a person atheist.

Or we can just apply your criteria:
You cannot believe in what you do not have an idea of. Babies do not have an idea of the concept of Tizizi. Therefore, they are not tizizists. And atizizist simply means "Not-a-tizizist"

You already answered your own question. Tizizist, is not a concept of believe or a non believe.
It basically just a word.
And I simply did not understand, therefore I have a non-understanding of the word. I lack the understanding of the word.

Theism is a believe in deities, and babies simply do not understand deities. Therefore, they have a "non-believe" of that believe . They lack the believes in what they do not understand. Simply atheism.

triplechoice:
Then how come you're talking about what you don't know and taking a position against it?

If you don't know it you won't talk about it, reject it or be aware of your stance against it.

There's something that's common with statements such as, " everyone is born in sin" , "people are born gay" and people are born atheist" . It's to postulate people into accepting something as true without questioning it

It's a well known psychological gimmick which I thought you should be aware of. It takes away ones free will and denies one the freedom to choose the kind of life they want to live and learn from it.

We are all unique creatures and so ,it's not scientifically possible for everyone to be bom with the same tendencies.

Nwanne, everyone is born an atheist.
I already gave you an explanation and this should not even be debatable topic.

I don't know why we always need to break things down to our christian brothers especially.

Atheism is anyone that doesn't have the ability to believe, not just anyone who has the ability to disbelieve. Whether as a child or as an adult.

If I said p1 = Δp + p2 , you prolly do not understand that formula or If I spoke in a foreign tongue, you simply do not understand. Your brain cannot process what it doesn't understand.

There are adults in China that if you prolly talked anything about God to 'em, they'll prolly just look at you like you are sick.
Their brain just lack the ability to understand how such things can ever work.

And I've told you that. If babies were raised in environments where they've never heard about deities. By the time they are grown, if anyone asked them about deities. They'd just go blank, the same way you'll go blank if I presented a strange formula to you.

triplechoice:



It's even hilarious listening to former theist , now atheist,declaring they now lack a belief in God. How is that even possible?

For that to happen,the person"s brain would have been " formated" to the extent that every trace of God beliefs are removed.

A former theist, now atheist, still has some residual of their past beliefs about gods or God firing in their brains at the background to make it impossible to completely lack a belief in gods. They can only disbelieve.

Interesting! These our theist brothers no go use laugh kill person 😂.
They will just manufacture, assumptions from the atmosphere and expect everyone to agree to it.

triplechoice:

It's only those born in non religious homes that may claim a lack of belief because they don't know what it means to belief in a God. It's not what they have experienced before.

No be wetin you dey follow me drag since be this?🤣🤣🤣

Person supposed flog you I swr.

Kingzjayzee:
like it visited that mofo in that video.

🤣🤣🤣

KnownUnknown:


Every child is born non-tizizist.

Lol! What's that supposed to mean?

triplechoice:
Can you disbelieve what you don't know of?

That you don't know of it already makes you a none -believer,a Non-thiest, therefore an atheist.
Do you believe/disbelieve whether 3 rings can be shared amongst 2 fathers and 2 sons?

triplechoice:


You said everyone is born atheist. I disagree with that. A baby is born neutral and that's what's generally accepted to be true.

There's no evidence anywhere that babies are born atheist or any of the labels you have used.

One's behaviour is largely influenced by what they have made from the impression they have received from their environment.


Babies cannot make much from their immediate environment to be labeled as an atheist who actively rejects the idea of a god .

When a baby boy is born and raised within an environment where no one says anything about God and prolly doesn't hear anything about God. By the time the child is 20.

If anyone walked up to the guy and says anything about God to him.

To the guy, the question doesn't make any sense to him, and it's not his fault. The question just doesn't make sense to him.
That is called Igtheism, a sub category of atheism.

The guy won't suddenly become an Igtheist, he will only be maintaining his position from infantry.

It's not even a topic worthy of debate. Every child is born non-theist

KnownUnknown:


How can they be atheist when they don’t have any idea of the concept? You might as well call them “unawakened theists”.

You cannot believe in what you do not have an idea of. Babies do not have an idea of the concept of a God. Therefore, they are not theists. And atheist simply means "Not-a-thiest"

KnownUnknown:


You have to have knowledge about the concept before you can call yourself any of the above.

People who don't have even the littlest idea about the concept of God or deities are also called atheists.

triplechoice:


I think, the correct thing, from what you explained up there, is that you were born without any knowledge of what a god is, and not that you were born an atheist.

Babies lack the neural development to actively believe or disbelieve a god. So they cannot be born atheist, instead they're born neutral, not believing or disbelieving anything.

Simply put. The word atheist mean "Non-thiest" or "Not-a-theist".

Babies are born without the idea of what a television is.
Without the idea of how to drive a vehicle.
Without the idea of how to write letters.
Without the idea of how birds could fly and why cows walk all-feet.

Not that they do not have the possibilities, but the ability needs to be developed over time.

Therefore, they are null-hypothesis to all the things I've listed above.

Atheism is simple a null hypothesis towards the existence of deities.

The fact that babies can't do things doesn't mean that the possibility is not there. The ability is there, but it can only be developed over time.

Babies are naturally born with the abilities to learn.

triplechoice:


Who's this individual? The new born?

Wait, in what context did you ask the question?
I might be failing to understand your question.

triplechoice:

Is atheism all about the label or the behaviour itself?

It's not about labels it's not about behaviours. It's about what makes sense to an individual.

Gbadugbakun:



I just went to knock at his door. He just shouted who is that. When I told him I'm the one he told me he doesn't have money that he would give me when he has. He didn't even come out to see me. He's still inside the house and he's door is locked

Am just holding myself honestly, because if I do what is in my mind people will say is because of 5k.

Haa! On top your money?

Is the man staying alone?
Does he have any family member staying with him?
You get backup?
You take style take wicked?

The man don price and him suppose pay.

A man who needs emotional support is nothing but a waste.
Of what advantage is emotion?
It's basically useless.

I've always said this. Regardless of where you are on the surface of the earth. Insanity can visit anyone like a thief in the middle of the night.