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Religion / Re: Christianity Is Not A Religion? by FRANCISTOWN: 3:05pm On May 01 |
MaxInDHouse:Maxi , is this what Jesus asked you guys to be doing?ππ |
Religion / Re: Christianity Is Not A Religion? by FRANCISTOWN: 3:02pm On May 01 |
immortalcrown:A waste of time |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 2:27pm On May 01 |
KnownUnknown: budaatum was actually right when she said the below. budaatum: Anyone who has no idea about the concept of gods/deities is also an atheist. There are different categories under atheism. There is igtheism, Apatheism, Agnostic atheism, just like budaatum and yourself. There is antitheist atheism. e.tc. Therefore, everyone is born an atheist. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 2:16pm On May 01 |
TenQ:Please prove me wrong. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 2:16pm On May 01 |
StillDtruth:Aren't you a member of the justiciary system? At the emboldened showed it's a waste of time to engage you on any discussion. Lol! |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 12:29pm On May 01 |
budaatum:Absolutely, nothing. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 12:14pm On May 01 |
StillDtruth:You were born an atheist too(No child was born believing in God). Your environment taught the ideology of the God you worship to you. A child raised in a society filled with free thinkers would never ever worship or believe in fairy things like God. This is even common sense, but I guess people with a single digit IQ will never understand. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 12:11pm On May 01 |
StillDtruth:This comedian is here again. Believe does not affect reality. If them born anybody papa well, make him go hang Peter Obi portrait for him office make he write The GCFR of Nigeria under am. Body go tell am. You have not proven God to me o. Show me how you've proven God to me. What is happening on this thread is basically a waste of human time. We have neither learnt anything new nor reached a reasonable submission. As of today, May 1st, 2024. No one in the world, with statistically significant evidence has been able to scientifically proven the existence of spirits, so what are you on about? |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 7:40am On May 01 |
budaatum:It's fascinating, but have you thought about the implications of your phrase, when you said. "I do not believe nor disbelieve in the existence of gods"? 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 7:33am On May 01 |
TenQ:πππππ. Oh! That Roman Invented Dude. He even said "Christ Jesus". πππ Did the Bible teach you about the bigbang, abi you no believe the creation story? |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 7:30am On May 01 |
TenQ:What did the basic science that you learnt teach to you? That before the bigbang there was no time? That there were no physical laws before the bigbang? Bring me a material, or refer me to a book that says otherwise to what I've answered you with. I just answered you according to physics. Read all your physics materials and you will find the same thing in 'em. Lemme ask you again. What did the basic science that you learnt teach to you? |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 5:50pm On Apr 30 |
TenQ:TenQ . Don't pretend to not have seen my question. Of which religion are you? |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 5:45pm On Apr 30 |
TenQ:Well the thing is, no one knows. I mean the bigbang is still a theory and not a law. No one was really there to tell what happened. We are only trying to make sense of things based on observations and Friedman and other mathematical equations. Your question is more like a causality dilemma, the egg/hen paradox. No scientist in the world can prove whether there were physical laws before the bigbang or whether they were simultaneously created alongside the universe. Once upon a time, there was a singularity and this singularity was very hot and it was expanding and cooling very fast until it became what it is today. Well, interesting theory from our astrophysicists. The answer to your question is. No one knows what really happened before the bigbang. Time is imaginary, so some scientists agree that. Time must have been in existence even before the universe. That's why you see phrase such as "1 sec after the bigbang, the universe was..." I repeat, no one knows. Whether there was time, space and physical laws before the bigbang. We can't tell. But after the bigbang at t=0. We are sure of matter, laws, principles and the continuation of time at t=0 + β. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 10:41am On Apr 30 |
TenQ:Lol! I was expecting this. As usual, the same arguments theists use to support their outlandish claim. ππ Now lemme tell you where many theists lack critical reasoning. In the grand calculus of the universe. If the level of entropy of the universe started decreasing and time started to move backwards. The space begins to shrink and everything goes back into the single entity before the big bang. Let's call that single entity A. Alpha. Now here is where I want to provoke your frontal lobe. 1. We can't establish the fact whether there was any other entity aside A. Alpha. 2. Even if there were other entities. Such entities can never have an established connection or relationship with A.Alpha and it's elements. How do I know this? The single entity A.Alpha exploded into nothingness and it has constantly be expanding. The expansion of space time could only be possible if it's expands into nothing or it repels it's surrounding entities. Therefore, anything that would have a relationship and connection with A.Alpha must had been within A.Alpha before the explosion since our universe is independently parallel. As there has not been any statistically significant evidence of any other universe. Scientists only assume that, since we ourselves are in a universe, and we've seen it. Then if at all any other thing exists outside of our universe prolly other universe(s). Hence the multiverse postulate. . So, It is erroneous, lugubrious, sadomasochistic, exasperating and the peak of academic embarrassment to assume that any other entity exists outside of our universe as anything other than other universes. TenQ:Please state the deductions from the propositions that you called FACTS. Otherwise, it would be a colossal waste of my time talking to you. TenQ:Such entity must be beyond time doesn't mean such entity cannot penetrate and manipulate time. Such entity that is responsible for the creation of time must be able to directly penetrate and manipulate it in real time without destroying the universe. Therefore, this isn't an excuse for being undetectible. TenQ:"Must" is a very strong language. Such entity must not be matter? You are talking like you know that "such Entity" face to face. You are confining the entity to the same rules you accuse atheists of confining it to. Lol! Double standard De Nada If such entity isn't made up of matter? Then such entity must be able to cause direct effects on matter. Since the entity is responsible for matter after all. This is no excuse for being undetectible. TenQ:Such entity must be able to penetrate into spacetime and alter it without destroying the fabric of spacetime. If you wrote a software, won't you know how to reprogram some functions without damaging the software? This is no excuse for being undetectible. TenQ:There are things we don't have an idea of what they are but we can see their effects, connections and relationships with other things. Even if this Entity decided to remain unknown. The fact that it remains uninteractive shows that it doesn't exist. It has no effect on anything. It is a natural reasoning to know that it is absent. Lemme ask you a question. How do you, I repeat. How do you know that there is such an ENTITY? Since you've never or no one has been able to detect it. Did you just assume there must be or that entity showed itself to you? I need your response on this please. How did your religion fathers get in contact with this so called God if he existed outside of our universe, since even science has not been able to contact anything outside of our own universe? TenQ:Brother you are making me laugh. The fundamental laws are universal laws. They are the laws of this universe. Everything you wrote up there are things that are supposedly "happening" outside of this universe(outside of the A.Alpha and it's big bang and it's laws). You said before time, outside of matter and before space(These three are outside of our universe). So my brother, you have not been able to break down any premise. I repeat again that the physical laws remain true for all observers at all frames of reference(When you truly understand this phrase, you will stop believing in the old wives' fables called deities and you will never debate me using physics anymore) TenQ:I didn't necessarily mean dragging God into a laboratory. I meant any scientific instrument that has been tested and verified to be absolutely efficient. TenQ:Eyyah! But I just subdued your counterattacks. BTW, of which religion are you? TenQ:Later when I'm less preoccupied. TenQ: Were you there during the big bang? Did you see any first cause causing A.Alpha? Couldn't another universe be a first cause and prolly our own universe is just a subset of the first cause universe? Why must it have to be a God? If a God could be the first cause, why couldnt A.Alpha be it's own first cause as well? At least none of us was there during the big bang. |
Romance / Re: Should I Be Regretting This? by FRANCISTOWN: 7:26am On Apr 30 |
Klinxmanz:Good morning, how are you doing champ? |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 7:02am On Apr 30 |
TenQ:I'm sorry. Everything you wrote were not needed at all. Let's leave tangibility aside. Come at atheists head-on and don't loiter around the facts. Let's get this over with once and for all. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF ANY DEITY BECAUSE SUCH THINGS DO NOT EXIST. I dare say deities do not exist. I can bet my two kidneys,my heart and my left testicle that deities do not exist. I may not be able to speak for all atheists but below is the common ground for atheists. 1. The first prerequisite (the fundamental laws of existence sustaining true for all observers at all frames of reference) β’ Deities defy the fundamental laws of existence. i.e, i. They cannot be seen by anyone who is interested (with or without laboratory aids). ii. They cannot be heard by anyone who is interested (with or without laboratory aids). iii. They cannot be observed by anyone who is interested (with or without laboratory aids) iii. They do not have effects on things that everyone can observe, and they are not observable themselves (with or without laboratory aids). Therefore, they are not interactive. iv. They are not perceptible(with or without laboratory equipments) v. There is no physical law that supports the possibilities of the existence of deities. vi. Deities cannot be subjected to any scientific procedure. These above are what atheists say about deities. The ideology of the existence of a God is even the most stupid thing ever. Like, what's a God? 1 Like |
Romance / Re: Women Should Be Banned From Universities by FRANCISTOWN: 10:01pm On Apr 29 |
Bongadu: Let's say there are 80Million women and 80million men in this country. Women are more gainfully employed than men. The only area where are leading is in the area that requires physical strength and endurance. Like tunnel digging, mechanism, brick laying, weldering and e.t.c. But you see office work? Women have by far upper hand. Therefore on the average, men work more than women but women get rewarded more than men. The percentage of rich women are by far more than rich men, but men are always the richest. What am I trying to say? A man is expected to provide for his home but the man is unable to secure a job because some random woman has gotten the employment that a man should. There is no gender equality when it comes to providing, but there is gender equality when it comes to the authority we have at home. Women have not made any significant contribution to human existence up until this very civilization. They've made it worse. Their education is basically a waste of time and resources. The only thing they are good at is to birth offsprings. |
Romance / Re: Women Should Be Banned From Universities by FRANCISTOWN: 9:52pm On Apr 29 |
DonroxyII:I would have said something, but what could I possibly say to someone whose IQ is sending a notification "battery low, please charge". Now read what you write slowly and see if your father would be proud of you. |
Romance / Re: Man Look Before You Breakup by FRANCISTOWN: 9:42pm On Apr 29 |
FitCorper:Is there a problem with misogyny? Because it's very evident that it's not a crime according to The Nigerian Constitution. It's a known fact that 21st century women are totally useless to men. But soft dog-like men who are always looking for love and romance like someone under a generational curse will always see a need for 21st century women in their lives. Gender that brings nothing but distraction and misery into the lives of men. How some of you even cope with women that are not your relatives around you remains a mystery to me. I'd prolly vomit until I pass out. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 8:56pm On Apr 29 |
TenQ:Not at all. I'm consistent with the definition of tangible. You are the one who is trying to lead a witness thru projection. I remember I said it in one of your threads that there are different kinds atheists. The only thing that is common to all atheists is that we reject the believes that deities exist. What would make anyone an atheist is very subjective. A personal realization. So, atheists don't have a code of conduct or constitutional obligations. As long as you reject the beliefs of the existence of deities. You are welcome. Therefore, no atheist shoulders the responsibility of defending the opinion of another atheist, unless if he agreed to such opinion himself. If you're really interested in testing my beliefs. You should ask me why I personally reject the beliefs that deities exist. Let's assume(just an assumption) there are real things that are not perceptible by any natural sense or with laboratory aids. Can anyone be sure such things are deities? Evidently No. So whether some atheists believe in tangible or intangible things is not a fundamental ground in the league of atheists. If a God existed. It would never be a topic of debate. A God that needs people to defend his existence is basically not a God. It's more of a fairy. Due to the ambiguity of the word "Tangible". I maintain the dictionary meaning. Having this in mind. Shall we begin proper? If I agreed to everything you've said about tangible and about what atheists say. Now, pray, please tell me what you think atheists have done wrong or where you think we are getting it wrong. This should be the thesis for our discussion.Enchante 3 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 6:38pm On Apr 29 |
TenQ:The only thing I refuse to reconcile with is your subjective definition of tangible as things that can only be measured with regards to mass, dimension and time. This has it's implications. The moment you tried to solve a challenge, you raised another. You are only viewing dimension in it's spatial extent, physical properties and coordinates and structures of object. Dimension means many things and different things in different discipline of knowledge. It is different in geometry, it is different in algebra, it is different in computing and in physics. Even in physics, dimension is used differently in different topics. Dimension doesn't have to always be directly proportional to physical properties. Velocity has a dimension. Velocity is not a physical phenomenon. But the dimension of velocity is equal to the dividence of length by time. Therefore, abstract things and ideologies also have dimensions. It is possible to say "This is the height of foolishness". But foolishness doesn't have any physical properties to measure. I don't even need to talk about the concept of time for time itself will fail me. Therefore, I cannot agree with your notion. I maintain a neutral position until you can show me one thing that is not truly tangible in any form. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 9:07am On Apr 29 |
NairaLTQ: You are making this debate tire me. I swr. Gravity and electromagnetic are physical concepts. Mathematics on the other hand is more of an empirical concept (i.e concrete and abstract). That is, they need elongated part of transcriptions for their propagation. Information is physical and abstract at the same time. When you drive on the road and there is a sign ahead. You can see the sign with your eyes. Therefore you understand. When someone tells something to you in a language you are familiar with. You can hear and you'll understand. But what happens when you do not understand the sign or the language that the information is being disseminated or when you can't understand mathematical equations? They do not make sense to you. They do not trigger a consciousness, unless if accompanied by other factors. This is what we mean by elongated part of transcription. Consciousness simply resides in information. Without an information. If I removed the sensory nerve endings of your skin and someone tiptoes to touch you from the back. You'll probably not be conscious of the touch because the receptors that transmit signals to your brain are absent. Therefore, there can't be that consciousness. In all together, you need a trigger/source/application in other to see the effects of mathematics, consciousness and information. Lemme not even talk about softwares. But for gravity. Whether you understand it or not. Once you fall, you must definitely hit the ground, you do not need to apply it to see it's effect. I think you really need to understand elementary physics, not just read. By then, we'd have a more coherent conversation. With the few conversations that I've had with thiests on this platform. It further strengthens my beliefs that many of you believe such absurdities basically because you don't understand simple physics and science in general. The few theists off-NL who understand science are too scared of hell or are simply just deluded. NairaLTQ:You are wrong! Consciousness has no causalities. NairaLTQ: Point of correct. There is no such thing as "My definition". Let's stick to the dictionary meanings of words. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 8:41am On Apr 29 |
NairaLTQ:Nope! For myself. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 8:40am On Apr 29 |
NairaLTQ:You brought tangible to our door step. The burden of explanation rests on you. NairaLTQ: Kindly, show me where I said that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 9:31pm On Apr 28 |
TenQ: You can't put gravitational field and electromagnetic field within the same category as mathematics, Logic and consciousness. Unlike the latters, they do not need any elongated part of transcription and they are physical phenomena. Information is on the line. @the emboldened, are you by any means implying that you consider consciousness to be tangible based on the effects of it's "cause and effect"? You see why you and I don't agree on many things. You are not always very careful of your choice of terms. Brother, please go straight to the point. You can't hornswoggle atheists with these skulduggeries. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 9:02pm On Apr 28 |
TenQ:I guess babysitting ignorance is being professional. ππ |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 9:00pm On Apr 28 |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 3:58pm On Apr 28 |
StillDtruth:Show me one place and shop whining like a fledgling. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 3:42pm On Apr 28 |
TenQ:I for like put mouth but make e no be like I dey like form I too know. Make I just respect myself. |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 3:23pm On Apr 28 |
StillDtruth:Lol! You wish. You what? You wish. Meanwhile. Pray, tell one place where we have told a lie on this thread so far. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 3:18pm On Apr 28 |
TenQ: I didn't broaden shit. I was only upholding the meaning. TenQ:Not tangible by sense of touch but tangible by facts and value. TenQ:I remain consistent. So what do you have up your sleeve? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption That Everything REAL Must Be TANGIBLE by FRANCISTOWN: 3:15pm On Apr 28 |
TenQ:Why would it not be favourable to me? |
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