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vaxx:
your proposition is wrong.... knowledge is not base on faith... faith is rather base on experience while knowledge is base on objectively verifiable evidence.

Faith is based on assumptiom... perhaps u should define what u mean by faith in this context.
If someone says...we dont know how the world came about, so therefore God did it. What kind of experience is this?

i said it more than two times here that every religion is valid so long it promote peace and love......

This is a wrong assumption... very wrong indeed. At least christians who preach peach dont believe this... why are u right and they are wrong.

let me ask you a jovial question.... how can you convince me you love your mom?

By my actions towards her. The way i behave around her. U will see it and u will know it.

vaxx:
Faith should be checked and experienced ,if you are in right path it should open up a new dimension of possibility, if it leads to dead end then you are in wrong path.that is why the believer always repeat that the best way to know the truth about GOD existence is through oneself.........

i then need to experience this green dog

In order words faith cannot be wrong. Its either u are on the wrong path or u discover something. That means the muslim faith in allah is right and the christian faith in yahweh and his son Jesus is right and the igbo traditionalist faith in amadioha is right. All one needs experience or test what these various faith is all about and if he finds something a new doscovery is made but if he finds nothing he is on the wrong path for all of them.

I, my friend, will not be part of such theory.

For me, it is only faith because it is not right. Any knowledge based on faith is wrong.

vaxx:
then is no more faith again....it will be term knowledge.....


so the distinct similarities between religion and atheist is lack of objectively verified knowledge of the evidence GOD.... EITHER he exist or not

so why should any atheist bother about looking for prove of non existence of something that the believer has no prove for?

if i tell u i have faith that a green dog that grants me success in all my dealings exists and i tell u that i want u to also believe in this green dog, do u need to have faith to reject that a green dog exists if after asking me for evidence i tell u that i have non? do u even need to bother looking for a prove of non existence of a green dog when i have already told u i dont have a prove for its existence?
pls answer me sincerely

vaxx:
let me paraphrase your statement. maybe you will get it. i dont believe he is real and therefore have faith in the non existence of GOD...... you should see where your faith come in now....

faith base position.... accept or agree that something is true without proof... tell me how atheism does not fall into this category ? pls a sincere answer

recall my rejection is as a result of lack of evidence, but the believer is not interested in evidence thats why he has faith in the first place.

if he had believed because he has evidence will u still say he has faith?

vaxx:
if you say there is no convincing evidence, do you also have convincing evidence to reject it.... do you now see it goes into each other

so if you tell me that you have faith that God is real and therefore you believe he is real and I say I dont believe he is real and therefore lack faith in the existence of God... where exactly did my faith come in?

delexy123:
Argh..what!? have I just read what is supposed to be counter response?You were just all over the place yet no input on the discussion whatsoever... I was tempted to believe that this is a diversionary attempt to steer the discussion into another topic entirely but reading your reply all over again convinced me that you couldn't even comprehend the assertion I made...I'm sorry I can't engage you in a somewhat unintelligent discussion...not trying to be a haughty but the truth must be told...

Stop embarassing yourself. I dissected your reply and responded to it bit by bit and made nonsese of ur response. There couldnt have been a clearer response and u know it.
Cover urself in shame and get out of here like a scared puppy

Namdeenero:
Your head dey there! REP to all OGGSIANS worldwide!

OGGSIAN Representing here too

delexy123:
I find it funny when atheists mock religion and accuse the adherents of having illusion...if one is to sincerely thread the line of atheism then basically everything one does is an illusion and to an extent 'existence' itself is no more than an illusion...

You say the world has a creator and his name is yahweh or allah or amadioha and he is loving and almighty and will burn me if i dont acceot he exists. I say i see no God, where is he? How did u know his name? Why should he burn for not believing he exists? Prove to me he exists or ask him to talk to me directly. How is this an illusion? Or dont u know the meaning of illusion?

From this one can say living as an atheist is in itself an illusion as the universe is not even aware of your 'supposed existence'...So an atheist accusing others of being disillusioned while pursuing basic human needs himself is no less deluded than the those he is spiting...

Whats this? How.does saying God exist make the universe aware of your existence. Whata the difference between the your life and that of ine who says there is no God that shows the universe is aware of your existence. Dont just talk show it.

Edit: I thought atheists are supposed to be against any belief in the existence of a 'god' or 'spirit' but here on nairaland athiests are always in 'bromance' with Otematum's and Sonoflucifer's posts even though by atheist standard they are supposed to be 'figment of imagination'...hmmn maybe here atheism is only synonymous to anti-christianity...

People are called atheist because they dont believe in the existence of God

hakeem4:
he’s suffering from schizophrenia

The bad news is that he does not know how he sounds. Imagin him telling me his imaginary God is flogging me. Isnt he crazy?

butterflyl1on:
Why do you wish to see proof of a God you ALREADY declared does not exist? Your insanity is like peak milk (it's in you)

U say God exist, i say its a lie, prove it. Is this ur definition of insanity?

If I claim God is real and you claim He is not real and you are sure that he is not real why would my claim bother you so much so that you are ranting and whining and pleading for proof of his existence? Or are you now no longer sure of your declaration?

Because u insist he exists. You are all over the place, on the streets, radio, tv every where and even go as far as calling me evil for not believing. Isnt it normal that i work on proving u wrong? Beside, who knows, i might help u come out of ur stupidity.

Only someone who isn't absolutely sure about his original THERE IS NO GOD declaration that would still be begging for proof after such a declaration. Or do you not know what the term DOES NOT EXIST means?

If you had said "God probably exists but I need proof to be sure " then would you be making sense.

But when you say GOD DOES NOT EXIST. This is not a probability neither is it a supposition but a stark declaration from a position of certainty.

So why still seek for proof of Gods existence after making such a declaration or do you get your cake back after eating it? This is why I said your imagination is vivid and tangible like that of a mad man who alone sees boxers on the street and is busy punching the air as if they were real

This is what you are doing here. You claim God does not exist yet you just cannot stop talking about him and whining on and on about him while demanding for proof.

Prove ur God is real or shut up about him. As long as u keep insisting he is real i will continue to demand for proof. If u cant prove it, dont say it. If u don't want me to ask u for proof.. then shut up about ur imaginary being.

Even your dog knows when there is no food in its plate and does not begin to imagine it and chew the plate while imagining it is food. You are supposed to be more intelligent than your dog so stop acting like you ate from the crumbs of intelligence that fell from your dogs plate.

Stop talking nonsense

butterflyl1on:
Another lengthy meaningless rant over a non existent God

Irrelevant

Such depth of stupidity you display cannot possibly be real

Words of a frustrated man... irrelevant

You asked me TO SHOW you God as if he is some commodity on display in your imaginary store

U said ur God is real, prove to me that he is real... otherwise he still remains imaginery.

I am trying to show you how sane people reason but of course mad man no dey ever gree say e dey mad

U are trying to show me how sane people reason by insisting an imaginary being is real without a single prove? Weldone.

If something does not exist or NEVER existed how come you keep doing the following

1. Whining and complaining about him
2. Keep asking to see him
3. Keep asking for evidence for his existence
4. Giving yourself sleepless nights and high blood pressure over him
5. Why are you still responding to me about this non existent God?

Because u insist he is real dumbo!

U keep on showing how dumb u are by repeating this and i will keep on replying until it sinks into ur brain...

I am sure you have not spent this much time and energy on actual existent things like READING BOOKS, INVENTIVE THINKING, RELATIONSHIP BUILDING. etc

Stop assuming things... u are too dumb to make correct assumption.

Let me give you another example.

Can you cook or eat a meal whose ingredients do not exist?

Can you take a bath with water that does not exist?

Can you claim you made clothes from a material that does not exist?

You see, Sane people have a certain way they reason but it is only insane people who spend time, energy, whining and nagging over things they say are unreal or non existent.

Shut up about ur God or prove him to me already. Thats all i ask

Life is short, snatch back your sanity this 2018 unless of course if just like God you also claim your life does not exist

See this one... u claim God exist and i ask u to prove it otherwise he is imaginary... instesd of doing the needful u are complaining? Mchewww

butterflyl1on:
LMAO since I have now schooled you. You are now deliberately putting IMAGINARY on every available space in your sentences

nah.. I just have to keep up with ur dumbness. I am try to keep ur imagination in check

When you troll this non existent God with your foolishness does this not show a combination of idiocy and buffoonery on your part?

Constantly whining and nagging over this non existent imaginary God as if he flogs you everyday with a spiked horsewhip

there he goes again... u have started talking about ur imaginary being flogging me. u are sick u know?

Let me show you how foolish you are. Carefully answer the question below.

shock me... do something smart for once in ur life. u might win a medal

IF YOU ALREADY DECLARED SOMETHING OR SOMEONE DOES NOT EXIST, WHY THEN ARE YOU STILL EXPECTING THIS SAME ALREADY DECLARED NON EXISTENT BEING OR THING TO SHOW ITSELF TO YOU?

Because u insist he is real DUMBO, have u forgotten? smh. and i was thinking he was going to surprise me.
MUMU, when u say ur God is real, instead of me asking u to tell him to show himself to me, i should ask u to show me your new cat.
let me explain DUMBO... asking ur God to prove himself to me is a trick to show u that he is not real... knowing its impossible. but u are too dumb to notice.

It is either you are not even sure of your declaration or you are insane if after burning the only ball in existence you still wake up everyday hoping to still see the ball in your room.

Indeed your insanity is a factory fitted one.

nah... it is obvious u know nothing

butterflyl1on:
Besides having a twisted brain you also have a failing one.

See your very first comment here which you made NOT TO ME but to a comment made by your fellow atheist who is also suffering the same vivid imagination syndrome with you of a non existing God.

so because of this first quote which was a response to your response to Dalaman, all of a sudden you frail mind this you have not had any inpte to my discussions? Are u just this foolish today or is this how u live your daily life. what happens to all ur replies to me and mine to you. do u have a short memory?

So much imagination about this non existent God on display

So you wish to put a non existent God where he belongs

You also imagine that this non existent God is a cry baby

You also imagined that this non existent God cannot prove himself

Well insanity is in stages and various degrees so I wouldn't be surprised if you are yet to realise that vivid imagination over an already declared non existent being to you is simply insanity in a tuxedo.

Use your vivid imagination make life changing Inventions...NA LIE.

use your vivid imagination to imagine all non existent being.... ON POINT!

If i say your imaginary God is such a cry baby isnt it based on ur attribute of him? should i be referring to my neigbours dog as a cry baby instead of your imaginary God whom u are trying to show exists? are u not the one who said ur imaginary God will not show himself to me because I dont believe he exists? is the act of anyone not showing himself to me because i dont believe not petty and childish?

You actually have comprehension problem. I am sorry but u are so dumb. this is the height of it all

butterflyl1on:
Sigh!

But you have been talking about this imaginary God since na without any input from me yet you claim he indeed is imaginary? You well so?

You have a very vivid and tangible imagination

I have been talking without any input from u? u must be dumb.

is there any response to you that I didnt quote u based on ur reply to my posts? what do u mean by no input from u? goshhhhh... this guy u be fool abeg.

johnydon22:
Doesn't in any way demonstrate your call for civility. If I shared your thought of the "Golden rule" what ever that is, I would have also replid you in an insultive and aggressive manner and following that line you'd retaliate or another person follows the trend replying my aggressive post.

See?

It can only lead to an incessant chain or loop of insults and aggression, I do believe that's not the result you'd want applying the golden rule.

Hi Johnny, Nairaland PMs do come to my mail as blank mails. you can always reach me here... xtfranks005@gmail.com

iamvictorbassey:
I'd be glad if you can highlight where I indirectly promoted internet "fraud". When mere calling it fraud alone condemns the act.
Secondly, if you can answer me logically, honestly I'll be very glad. Please make it logical enough. Let our assumption be that I just landed from Jupiter, make me see reasons with you.

he has nothin to offer

butterflyl1on:
Funny right?

Imagine you saying AN IMAGINARY BEING has left me all alone and AN IMAGINARY being cannot come here to help me out.

of course he cannot come and help u out ... HE IS IMAGINARY DUHHHH.
u sure say u even get sense?

Imagine you also talking about this imaginary being with me here on nairaland while using your imagination to imagine all the things the imaginary being can and cannot do

Are you sure your imagination isn't deceiving you if you are saying God is an imagination yet you are talking about him from a first person perspective

Wonders shall never cease. Chai

mumu... no i will not talk about ur precious imaginary being with u. if u come out boldy and say ur imaginary being is real.. i should start talkin about my neigbours dog with u in order to prove u wrong. common sense is actually not common

butterflyl1on:
LMAO why would he come here to help me out? From what and from whom? YOU?

You see, even though it seems I am seriously chatting with you here I am actually using you for laughs on a 1hr break. When humans like me take you as a comic side piece do you think God would have a serious face on right about now?

Obvious deliberate foolishness is always funny and you have a self afflicted version so again, why would God take you a farcical being seriously?

Eyaa... He really does not exist. Take heart. I like you sha,your mind runs really wild. SMH, imagin an imaginery being taking me seriously. You no well.

butterflyl1on:
You must mean the obvious that was staring at you right in your face yet you typed that cockamamie comment of yours up there. Nobody needs to twist words when speaking with you. Your brain is twisted enough as it is.

ahhhhh.... Yahweh yahweh. Call his name over and over again. He will not even come here and help u out. you are on ur own. Continue making nonsensical excuses for your so called Almighty every every. Both u and yahweh no get shame

butterflyl1on:
It's obvious all I have been saying has found no way of barging into where your stashed your common sense away.

Its obvious your excuses for your skydaddy aint excusable enough. Stop twisting words when the obvious is staring your right there in ur face

butterflyl1on:
I wonder how people can be so proud to display their idiocy openly. When they know nothing they still wish to argue foolishly.

1st kings chapter 18 from verse 16




You can finish the chapter at your own discretion.

From that verse you can see that ISRAEL was a covenanted nation to Yahweh but when Ahab became king he got influenced by other gods, particularly the god called Baal and he took upon himself the prophets of Baal who began directing him as Baal wanted and no longer as Yahweh his original God wanted and this was why the only surviving prophet of Yahweh at that time Elijah confronted them because a Nation was at stake.

I wonder if you people read with your eyes closed or with your heads stuck in a bucket.

Never thinking, never truthfully analysing, never researching but always talking authoritatively about what they have no clue of. SMH.

you are just talking too much without making any single point. how has all what you typed up there shown that your God make more sense by proving himself only to people who proclaim their own Gods and not prove himself to people who have not reason to think he exists?

Ok, even if Israel was a covenant nation, what is he doing about the other religions in the country at the moment? Are they not proclaiming their own Gods? whats stopping him form proving himself to them? Is the nation not at stake now? are lives of people not at stake?

Guy go sit down abeg.

dalaman:
If his Gof only reveals himself to other God believera, then why is Yahweh not proving himself to the billions of Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto etc? Butterflylion is a joke.

Imagine the petty excuse they give for their God. Yahweh actually told him that the reason he will not prove himself to atheist is because they have refused to first have faith he exists. Yet the same Yahweh will quickly run to prove himself to people who proclaim their own God is real.

such a cry baby God. You create a world and suddenly become confused on how to handle your creations. He is more scared of people proclaiming other Gods than people who say he does not exists.

butterflyl1on:
I am only responsible for what I type and not what you understand. If failure to understand simple things is plaguing you then get it solved. I believe what I typed were simple everyday words used in simple everyday English.

Oga start thinking your words through before you type. If they were prophets that proclaim the will of their God and not Yahweh, how did that not make them against Yahweh. Does that make them think Yahweh is real? Why didnt he let them be instead of trying to prove himself to them.

Oga u no get point. People who proclaim the will of their gods are now important to yahweh? But now he cant show himself to atheists who dont think he is real?

you are as confused and petty as your God

butterflyl1on:
I wonder if he even thinks at all. He mentioned the PROPHETS of Baal and it never dawned on him that A PROPHET IS A PROCLAIMER OF THE WILL OF GOD but in their case, they proclaimed the will OF THEIR OWN god and not God.

Listen to yourself, how does the statement above make sense. You want to runaway from your shadow?

ScienceWatch:
Are you comparing Paul with a drol like the modern day prophet of Atheism, Satanist Richard Dawkins and Harris ?

Of course... your God has been creating psychopaths throughout history. satan, paul, hitler, richard dawkins... the hand work of yahweh

ScienceWatch:
Thanks for asking. Yes I do feel like a madman while talking to you. Calm down 317, you may know a lot about surfing but higher truth or ultimate philosophy is at present out of your grasp.

lol @ higher truth. which one is higher truth again. You can make up words for all I care, show your God exists. We are tired of your excuses.

ScienceWatch:
Butterfly1on is 100% correct. The unbelievers the bible refer to are not dumb, mocking atheists. Those unbelievers were worshippers in their own right.

God never reveal Himself personally to a God hater, mocker or religion destroyer. God knows the deep hidden motives of a man's heart. I

Atheism as we know it today is a religion of hatred and destruction.

Excuses every where... paul was not a hater?

How do u even feel worshiping a being in your head. Dont u feel like a mad man sometimes?

dalaman:
When where and how did any God tell you that he only provides evidence to those that first have to believe? Is it not the bible that has God throwing sings all over so that people will see and believe? The contest btw Elijah and the prophets of Baal isn't inside your own bible abi? S it not the same bible that talks about signs that will follow believers so that unbelievers will SEE and believe? What the he'll are you talking about here? I keep telling you that no God that exist in reality will allow a failure like you to ever make any case for it.





What are the conditions Moses met before Yahweh appeared to him as a burning bush? The condition Saul met before his Damascus experience was what assuming this stories were true? All the testimonies various christians throw around about their GOD appearing to them and giving them messages just like that while they were unbelievers nko? Which condition did they meet? Many pastors have stories of Jesus appearing to them even while they were unbelievers and giving them messages to go and prolifirate according to them. No condition was stated and non was met.


The bible and the many testimonies of christians who were unbelievers that claimed Jesus appeared to them in their unbelief and told them what ever show that you don't know what you are talking about. Which condition was met since they were unbelievers? Which condition did Saul meet before Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus?





The condition you are talking about is your own making because you have nothing to hold on to. Many people have claimed that God appered to them when they were unbelievers, the bible has God appearing to unbelievers and converting them. All these say you clearly have no idea of what you are saying.

Don't mind him... his so called all powerful all everything God cannot prove himself to those lack belief in him just because they have refused to accept what does not sound real to them.

What a petty cry baby God. Acting so much like pregnant woman.

How i wish judgment day is real... we will put yahweh and allah where they rightfully belong

fhutson500:
Nlanders,

I dont seem to understand this, 3 days ago, my wife went out with the honda, she scratched the bumper and claimed an inexperienced person bashed it, yeserday went out with the toyota, saw this morning the bumper was seriously scratched, she claimed she didnt know anything about it, this afternoon, i mean just about now, went out with the Honda, called me minutes later that danfo reversed and bashed the side, claiming she came down begging the driver to take the car to panel beater, but that the police man in the danfo said the man cannot come down, because he's going somewhere important, am confused, could this 3 days consecutive bashing me co-incidental or is there something else to this?

Guy leave that woman alone and stop disturbing her life

superhumanist:
Faulty question.

I would only drive the car in my area. Why would I be speeding anyhow with a car i want to sell?

As for the question. Nna, I don't want death on my conscience. The accidented car would still have scrap value of about a 100k.

Lol... imagine driving an suv when u cannot even feed.

Well, i will never hit the person. I will rather become poor again than kill the person.

iamvictorbassey:
How do I believe in the things of the spirit? Or relate with my spirit when our physical environment is a mess? How about we work on the physical world and see to the spiritual things adjusting themselves to suit us?

Ask him what the so called spirit looks like and he will start telling u long story. What has spirit got to do with buharis incompetency?

When i see writeup like this i cant help but wonder what people like butterflylion, sciencewatch and felixomore argue for.

Well, i know sciencewatch is not alright... but for other seemingly reasonable people who argue for religion... i just wonder