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We already know say u be ashy... Next!!

But how much do u charge for one round?

Emmytes:
Your gods wisdom is my common sense

Lol... thats a nice one. I like the quote. Why? Its the fvcking truth!!!

vaxx:
''Atheism is like a fake currency,it is good on the surface but it has no real value'' vaxx

Unfortunately for you, butterflylion and sciencewatch think you are going to hell. you are a pagan, soon butterflylions pastor will come and destroy your shrine. see you in hell bro

PastorAIO:
Cha! so much straw!!

I didn't say anything about inherited traits like extroversion. I was talking about morality which I defined as a scale of preferences.

Being a Doctor is a totally different kind of knowledge from being a moral person. This your Doctor example na real wa!

"all a baby can do its 'cry, grasp and suck". The baby also smiles when it is delighted. It sleeps when it is soothed with music, it blinks when lights are too bright and many many other things. These are reactions to it's environment that are instinctual, nobody teaches you to blink at bright lights, or sneeze with your nose is irritated.

There are all actions done with the intention to improve the state of affairs. So bright lights are lower in the preference scale so the baby blinks to keep out the light. This improves things.
An itchy nose is unpleasant, low down in the value scale. Sneezing raises the state of affairs to a situation higher up the value scale.

Do you get that? A baby values a full stomach higher than an empty stomach. It values the presence of it's mother over the absence of his mother. etc. Distinctions are made between every experience by sticking them somewhere on the value scale.

A baby also cries when hungry. It cries when pinched. But after all these... when it grows, it still needs God to tell it that taking anothers food will make the person hungry hence its a bad thing.

Tomorrow another educated person will ask how atheists define right or wrong as if athiests are aliens.

ScienceWatch:
YOU DONT SCARE ME ONE LITTLE BIT frank317 !!!

Stay with No-god !! It suits your character.

REMEMBER TO PRESS YOUR FAVORITE REPORT BUTTON, if you cant get at me.

Sigh... report u for what?

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ScienceWatch:
You are having fits of delusion. You could not even spank the ass of Vaxx, Kingebukasblog nor Butterflyl1on to say the least.
You made a lot of wannabe Atheists cringe with disappointment as you desperately blundered your way through the finely tuned truth presented by Butterfll1on and Vaxx.

I was actually joking... i really dont think your God exists

ScienceWatch:
So what if you are the owner. Do you think you can bully me? You will never own something a million times greater, which is TRUTH.

Dont be scared. I am not the owner and I am not gonna bully u. I am not really as bad as u think. I just dont believe in ur God, thats all.

ScienceWatch:
You dont fool me frank317. All wise Christians know you as a cowardly BANNER.

GO AHEAD BAN ME ! Do what fits your character.

lol.. see this guyoo. why will i ban u. am i the owner of Nairaland?

ScienceWatch:
Check the bolded Red above. I am not crazy to tell you anything about God. Why dont you be brave enough to tell your Atheist/Godhater friends about your deity known as NO-god?

SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT ?

You know the creator, show us what makes u different from us that dont know any creator

dalaman:
He claims he's God has never stopped loving you, yet he is the one telling you about it.

Many of the foolish things this people say always.

lol... He is the mouth piece of the creator of the universe.

All hail butterflylion, the mouth piece of the creator of the world!!!

ScienceWatch:
All that you and other cowardly Atheists are very good at is to BAN those that differ from you. Yes the punisher will press the report button again and again.

GO AHEAD AND BAN ME, Block head. I have many other internet platforms were I post the dark side of Atheism. I will use you as a good example.

Nah... i will not ban you. I will spank Yahweh's ass

ScienceWatch:
Very true Sir. I have search all Frank317's posts for clues of hope, but sadly I found none. His destiny is to serve his deity called No-god.

lol...

ScienceWatch:
You have made a startling personal revelation here. You are in fact stating that it is your own lack of knowledge that is blocking your comprehension while many others have succeeded. Therefore you have chosen a lifeless substitute known as NO-god.

frank317, the real creator God do not want to know you. You are a spiritual reject and ready for the waste bin.

Remember the wise instruction, "DONT THROW YOUR PEARLS OF TRUTH TO THE SWINE, THEY WILL CRAP ON IT, THEN TURN AND REND YOU."

you that you have personal knowledge about the creator of the universe... show us what u got. or is it just talk talk. See ur mouth like someone that knows the creator of the world. keep on livin a lie. Dont come out of ur delusion before u turn to a complete mad man

ScienceWatch:
But I am not scared of you. Hatred is the weapon of choice of the weak.

Einstein said it best,
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

You and your God are scared of me? now run under your bed... the punisher is coming

butterflyl1on:
Yes it does. Hate it or love it. Hate Him or love Him. Sleep or no sleep. Death or no death. Pain or pleasure. Life Goes on.

Some learn to move on from the pain and hurt and tears and hate and sleepless nights. But I can see that this is something you have found impossible to do.

Yes life Goes on. Your life has gone on but you chose to carry along all the excessive weight of negativity as you went on. It's so sad that when people are like this, they never stop to do a before and now assessment of their emotions and inner turmoil. If they actually did they would discover that there was so much light and joy and laughter in their hearts and lives before than now.

God bless you and I pray you heal soon and rediscover this God who never stopped loving you despite all your hate toward him and all your impudence.

This is 2018. Learn to live pain free. Hurt free, bitterness free and life would reveal how deeply indeed you are loved.

hehehe... we all go through pain at a time in our lives.. i will not deny having lost a loved one or gone through a tough ordeal. what I dont understand is why you think any pain I must have gone through has anything to do with your imaginary God. Is ur God synonymous with pain? Well, what ever pain i went through in the past, i dont think it has anything to do with ur nonexistent God.
Your God does not exist and is not capable of stopping or increasing my pain or joy.

ScienceWatch:
I agree !! He is an Anti-Christ, therefore no evidence will suffice. He has made a firm commitment to worship his deity called NO-god. MAy the force be with him.

If i, an ordinary human, is capable of hating your so called almighty God then I really must say ur God is useless.

Well if you say I hate your God, so be it... I will stuff hot iron into his anus when ever he crosses my path. he knows i hate him thats why he is scared of me.

butterflyl1on:
Anyway if you accept his existence or not. If you worship him or not, life Goes on.

isnt this a prove of how useless his existence or not is to us? life always goes on and thats what matters

PastorAIO:
U

I believe that what you're referring to here is Empathy. The natural human ability to feel what others are feeling. Even babies.

If you spank one baby in the presence of another they will both cry. The one that wasn't flanked may even cry more sef.

exactly... I will need the op to tell me if it is his God that tells the other baby to cry

SQred:
How do you differentiate between what's wrong and what's right? How do you define right and wrong? How do you determine what's morally wrong and what's morally right? Please answer my question.

How do u differentiate what is right or wrong?

When someone slaps you do u run to God (your moral source) to know if it pains u or not? Is it the same God that will still tell you that when u slap another person it wull pain him?

vaxx:
'' the only living scripture is you, every other scripture are work dead''(anonymous quote) why should you rely on christian scripture? the only truth can only come from you. i told you earlier, do not depend on borrowed answer ,it is capable of stealing your future. you ask me to define faith. faith base on mariam webster dictionary, it define faith as a complete trust or confidence in someone or something without proof.....

Faith is complete trust in something without proof and u say it has nothing to do with assumption. You say it has to do with research... continue.
You tell me to find God outside the scriptures, christians tell me to find God in the scriptures, who will i believe. Well, i didnt find any God both inside and outside the scriptures. I tried and find out that both u and Christians are confidently living a lie.

so an intelligent person like you may ask me why should i trust or have confidence on something that has no proof?..
let me tell you something about proof , proof itself is a kind of agreement we settle upon just to achieve mental convenience and that is why an established proof can be challenge or upset at anytime. This is the same error many atheist are making on nairaland that science has proven evolution or big bang. scientist themselves knows that scientific methods prove nothing - they only provide reason to consider an hypothesis falsified. That reason may be very compelling - so compelling that we decide to trust it completely. In that moment we declare our faith. and that is why i subscribe to webster dictionary definition.

Ok

you dont question faith, unless it is a blind faith base on assumption. faith is smarter than the question,he knows far better than the question even to the point where the question can not reached...... that is why i will advice you to experience real faith that is not base on nothingness....

How do i experience real faith? By following some.mumbo jumbo any theist present to me? Do i just wake up in the morning and start experiencing faith?

form my own experience , i have meet more cool Christians than the fanatics one

Haven't u met cool atheist? How many atheists u met preached violence to u?
So how many Christians did u meet that didnt find God in the scriptures?

where will you find God? you can only find him through yourself .....
where is he hiding? his handwork is writing all over you...... i will advice you to put your five senses to work so you can experience the living God

U want to turn me to a magician?

butterflyl1on:
Budaatum do you see how he went from I don't care to I don't believe because there is no evidence to that effect and now finally back to confessing that



So I was right when I said that evidence or not you don't care. I was also right when said you were angry earlier because it was under such emotions that you actually spoke the truth and later wanted to deny it but here you are finally admitting it after being shown your very words.

I dont even know what u are saying...shalock homes.. lol

butterflyl1on:
I don't believe God exists because of the lack of knowledge of his existence is quite different from your comment below



So evidence or no evidence you don't care. So it's not about evidence for you.

Ok...


Why should i care... evidence or not, what impact does his existence have in this world? If he exists somewhere, what impact will my belief in his existence do to his existence.

The fact is that a believe in a God weather he exist or not is a completely useless venture.

butterflyl1on:
Let me post a portion of your comment again so you would see it yourself

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Your comment above is an absolute one. Yet again here you are saying I DONT KNOW. which in itself is not an absolute statement.

Tell me you cannot understand your own comment which is in black and white here.

I repeat... i dont believe God exist because of the lack of knowledge of his existence.

There nothing hard to understand in the statement above

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butterflyl1on:
On answer 2 you are now becoming clearer. Allow me to post your number 2 answer.



I did tell you that my questions were 3 DIFFERENT questions so I surely wouldn't be alluding that the designer of the universe is God would I?

So for question 1 and 2 your answers now were I DONT KNOW but earlier you said and I quote



In your comment you said you don't believe and don't care but just now you said YOU DON'T KNOW IF

1. A DESIGNER OF THE UNIVERSE EXISTS
2. IF GOD EXISTS.

how can you in one comment say you do not believe God exists or a known creator exists and in another comment say I DON'T KNOW IF SUCH EXISTS?

double standards?

Budaatum by now you should be getting a hint of where I am going with this.

I have honestly told u i dont know... cant u see my unbelief is as a result of a total lack of knowledge?
Whats dpuble standard here?

Why arw u feeling like u hit a gold mine?

butterflyl1on:
You don't believe A KNOWN CREATOR of the world exists but you don't care if the world was created or not (even if there is an unknown creator if I might add?)

If a creator exists, I am very sure he will let me know... if he does not let me know, he obviously dont want me to care. If it is discovered that a creator exists and we find out he is drinking ogogoro and sleeping with some weird females in Mars... why should i bother to worship him and get to know him?

I asked 3 separate questions so you need to address them separately.

ok

You are all over the place and unnecessarily aggressive with this particular post. All I did was ask a simple yes or no question and your anger gets triggered

are u angry? I tell you your creator does not exist and u say I am angry? are u sure u are alright?

So my IDEA of a creator is totally wrong and UNACCEPTABLE. so please tell me the IDEA of a creator which would be right and acceptable.

foolish question... keep on waiting

DOES A DESIGNER OF THE UNIVERSE EXIST?

No human has proven this... so therefore this answer remains UNKOWN

DOES GOD EXIST?

pls clarify if designer of the universe is different from God. If they are the same, refer to my answer above. if they are different.. NO

DOES YAHWEH EXIST?

No... yahweh, like allah is a man made concept

butterflyl1on:
You lack any iota of the ability to understand anything.

My comment about negative faith NOT BEING ALWAYS ABSOLUTE and it ALSO BEING IN DEGREES was a response to you, hopefullandlord, superhumanist and budaatum (which was his position until now) and I simply explained that negative faith is not always absolute but varies based on the individual atheist and his personal experiential evidence to that effect.

Be it an absolute negative faith or a negative faith that isn't absolute both of them are derived from each individuals personal experiences but be it absolute or not it does not change the fact that they are working with negative faith since their position is only verifiable largely to themselves and isn't universally verifiable or agreed upon.

So let me ask you this.

DOES A DESIGNER OF THE UNIVERSE EXIST?
DOES GOD EXIST?
DOES YAHWEH EXIST?

I asked 3 different questions so treat them separately.

I dont believe a known creator of the world exists. I dont know if the world was created or not and I dont care. Your idea about a creator is totally wrong and unacceptable and cannot be verified. The theist theory of the existence of a creator is false and unverifiable thats why you believe by faith.

I Dont believe in any creator hence cannot have either positive or negative faith in him or it.

enough of this negative faith nonsense. someone can believe in God and have negative faith in him e.g Islamic extremists who kill people because of their faith in God. Pastors who milk people of their hard earn money with the name of God are exercising negative faith. Dont make the mistake of accusing someone who does not believe in your bulshit of having negative faith. They have not faith in ur nonsense and not negative faith!!

butterflyl1on:
No!

My negative faith did not imply no faith which was why i said the below in quote

since u accept that your negative faith does not imply no faith... so why are u forcing negative faith on atheists who have no faith in Yahweh?

vaxx:
NO Sir, assumptions differ from faith, in assumptions experience and question is not necessary, in faith ,it give chances for testing....

of course assumption differs from faith. I didnt say other wise, i said faith is based on assumptions. Faith does not give testing a chance. pls define Faith. From the christian perspective, Faith is evidence of things HOPED for. You just hope for it and claim u have evidence. Thats having faith based on assumption.

if i tell you something that my religion says GOD create the world, you must test it, dont just assume it, carry your own personal experiment
and if you find it true with your own experience then follow it.

so how can i test your religious saying - God created the world? isnt it by questioning it? I questioned it and find out your belief is filled with nothing but assumption

Borrowed answers and assumptions will not help you in your life journey. Only your own experience can lead you to truth. so if you are atheist because you read it somewhere or base on someone idea, you are crossing a river that has no bridge and you know what that mean...and that means the faith is blind.

good

not all christian discriminate, i have so many of them as Friends, even some of them are ok with me being a pagan.....it is only the fanatic that needs to be checked....only the fanatic will assume i am wrong for being a pagan unless he is a novice..

oga many Christians think you will go to hell for being a pagan. Ask butterflylion if u will go to heaven as a pagan. are u a learner?

i like what you say about the way you will convince me to love your mom.....meaning it is only me who can personally experience the love you have your mom and not base on what people say.....it is only you who can find GOD and not base on what people say ....

where will i find God then? where is he hiding?

butterflyl1on:
You are typing nonsense!

Analogy 1

I have tried a certain drug for a health condition I have and it works every time for me so I never hesitate to take a dose of that drug whenever I experience that medical condition. SO I HAVE POSITIVE FAITH IN SAID DRUG THAT IT WORKS FOR ME. Although due to some reasons it does not work for everyone so is not universally agreed upon which is why there are other drugs apart from that one which would work for those that this particular one does not work for.

Analogy 2.

Since this drug does not work for some other people they for a fact based on personal experience have absolutely NO FAITH aka NEGATIVE FAITH in its effects so would gladly say the drug does not work.

Both experiences are personal while one works the other does not work.

However simply because it works for one or does not work for one does not mean that it must be so for all. This is where personal experience comes in and this is why there are personal questions inscribed on every drug leaflet because the interactions drugs have on people vary based on the individual so a list of questions or cautions are provided.

Now to positive faith in the existence of God it is as simple as saying that I HAVE FAITH THAT GOES EXISTS and the reason why I said this is based on my personal evidential experiences.

You on the other hand can say YOU HAVE FAITH THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Also this is based on your personal experiential evidence solely restricted to you at that time.

I have faith in positives and from my side I see you as having faith in negatives. You see yourself as having faith in positives while seeing me as having faith in negatives.

You call me delusional for believing God exists because you think that position is false and negative.

I see you as delusional for believing God does not exist because also that position is false and negative

Both positions are seen from a positive side and each view is seeing the other as negative.

It's all about perspectives. Positive faith and Negative faith.

This is simply put.

Stop this naow. No faith is not nagative faith. Stop selling us jargon we will not take it.

Ur fellow theists need to call u to order on this so that u dont go on embarassing yourself.

Now u are comparing ur God who created all humans and can do all things to people's personal experiences to drugs.
U guys keep on limiting this God who created everything even galaxies to personal experience. I am surprised u can see how petty and much of a human concept u make him seem.

butterflyl1on:
What they fail to realize is that faith has 2 sides. There is positive faith (which is what theists have when they say God exists)
Then there is negative faith (which is what atheists have when they say God does not exist).

However for the theist he believes he has a self experienced evidence of God which makes him believe God exists. Faith is personal so the experience it brings Is also personal.

The negative faith atheists possess is similar to that of the theist in that they also have a negative self experienced evidence of No God which makes then believe God does not exist.

Both are 2 sides of the same coin. Atheism is faith based but I am sure they would deny this to their graves.

They simply claim to be knowledgeable of the lack of existence of God but the truth is that this knowledge they claim to have is simply a No God self experienced evidence which isn't empirical and which cannot be universally agreed upon.

U keep on spewing trash. Which one is nagative faith? So if someone does not have faith in something, he automatically has nagative faith. What nonsense is this?

If the word nagative must be used it should be used for someone who has it but using is for opposite things. Let me school u. If u have faith in amadioha for positive expectations.. eg. Ur son will make it in life, ur friend will win a contract or you hard work will pay, thats positive. But of u have it for unacceptable expectations e.g, ur neigbour should die, ur son should remain poor, ur friends contract should be denied.. then u can call that nagative faith.

Please guy dont come here to talk rubbish.