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ambassagod:
Your post here is quite funny but damn lame.

Ur God does not exist

faridaije:
I do not like to identify with being an atheist,

but I no longer believe in the religious idea of God

after the person that I loved the most died in this world,

wetin i get for do wit God again? d God wey neva ansa d prayer and cry i bin dey pray and cry since?

As I don looku looku all d bad tins wey dey for dis world, i done know say no God dey at all

Losing a loved on can be very heart broken and devastating. U are left witha void that might never be filled.
Death is the worst thing anyone can feel. Why would God allow anyone go through it? The pain, sleepless nights, the emptyness...

I lost my born again mum in 2010... i asked God a lot of whys. She prayed, the pastors prayed, my dad had so much faith that she would never leave him... it devastated the poor man.
I met my late ex when i went for my mums burial. She died in a moto accident in 2013... that was the breaking point for me... an incident i will never forget.

The thing is that different people cope with pain in different ways. Some hold unto God as imaginery as he is for hope. Others may wonder and ask why... some run mad.

For me... i wasnt capable of accepting that a God will be alive and watch me go through such pain. I dont know of others but i personally dont know what i have done or what i did to deserve such trauma that shattered me.

Its not possible for God to exist and watch, not only me but millions of people go through even worst than what i went through.
And to think that people have been going through this for years. Its like a circle of pain... u lost someone and feel the pain someone lost u and feel their pain. It all ends in pain and emptyness.

Where does God come in in all these if he exist?

This is a God who takes credit for all the temporary joy we go through... is he not capable of stoping us from going through this pain every human seems to have to feel?

I sometimes wish God exist... we will never go through this pain and there will be no need for all these flimsly excuses for the so called almighty loving creator.

This thread is a pure sign that people should runaway from this mans church.

The decept, insults and dishonesty here is enough to make someone an atheist.

Doctor fireman my ass.

He better fo back to his original profession as a fireservice warder

OkaiCorne:
You said it becomes valid logically if I say it is impossible for your eternal creator to exist...

Where, when , how did i say this? Did intuition tell u i said that?

Akin1212:
Maybe you should educate the whole atheists of Nairaland how your eternal creator came to being.

He just appeared, created humans and started tormenting us?

He just appeared from nowhere, right? Come on, give us intuitive justifications. We are very eager to hear from your intuitive knowledgebase.

Lol... his intuition can only tell him there is a creator but it cant tell him how thia creator came to be? Nor can it tell him if the creator is the first born or has brothers.

OkaiCorne:
Ignored because you have nothing to say?

Try and use logic to confirm if your intuition is correct if not you are on your own o

Your right (intuition) and left side (logic) of the brain needs to work in harmony o

It appear you and your fellow lab-rat are working in shifts abi?

I have used logic to confirm urs is wrong. I am ok with that

OkaiCorne:
Now make sure you jot my answers on your notepad.

I Know (with intuition) that there is AN ETERNAL CREATOR, but I cannot tell you in details (Logic is slowly catching up in the absence of complete details) whether the Eternal Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne.

Yesooo
I also know with intuition that there are eternal beings and these eternal being are three and theu are threeplets.

The gap between the speed of intuition and logic would eventually be compensated for with TIME. Let TIME be the judge and not your opinion...

What time? Billions have died thousands of years before you... what is time waiting for?

Do you understand this or would you prefer me to communicate with sign language

PLEASE GIVE ME A BASIC EXAMPLE TO COUNTER MY POSITION IF I AM WRONG...

Ignored.

OkaiCorne:
Kindly quote the double place position so I can clear out your ignorance a little bit

First position: i know there is only one eternal creator. This was countered by the question... how did u know? U said common sense: this was countered by showing u how faulty common sense can be in this situation... i even used ur common sense logic to show u that anyone can claim the universe has multi creators. Then u resort to comparing universe to a book... which was simply ridiculous.

Second position: i dont have details on weather the creator is one or many. This i countered by asking... why then are u saying the universe has one creator...

Then u want derail readers from seeing how faulty ur position is by asking for example.

This i ask? Example of what exactly? Are u so comfortable in talking off point?

OkaiCorne:
PLEASE FIND A SENSIBLE BASIC EXAMPLE TO COUNTER MY POSITION OR AT THE VERY LEAST BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

Intelligence - Common sense = Stupidity

I wil continue showing ur ignorance...

What example do u want again? ur double place position has been countered.

My claime is, I dont know how the universe started... how do u think this claim can be backed up?

Akin1212:
You cannot prove anything to this dude. He has seen how faulty his claims are. We have been able to prove that with common sense, intuition and logic. But the thing is, he doesn't want to accept that his beloved eternal creator who created the physical universe does not exist, he prefers to think that this physical universe was created by a giant spirit who lives in the clouds.

What has the beginning of a storybook got to do with the existence of a spirit? I wonder what kind of intuition breeds in his mind.

If anything at all, all his claimed logical examples are way off point.

Let's assume the circle, what if the father of his eternal creator was the one who told him to create a circle. That would mean his eternal creator are them not a he. What if his eternal creator is a she? Or rather a siamese being? He doesn't know and yet he claims he knows.

He told us he does not have enough information, he again said he knows the information he claimed not to know. That is the utmost level of confusion I have seen in my life.

Instead of him to say he does not know and he just chose to believe what his intuition told him, he said he found the truth. The truth he doesn't know. I got to know the kind of person he is yesterday when he avoided and is still avoiding the simple questions I asked. He started bringing up arithmetics and further maths, only that in reality, this matter is not further maths. It's a simple direct question and answer.

His avoidance of questions, says a lot of things. Firstly, he doesn't know what he claims he does. Secondly, he cannot give what he does not have. Thirdly, he is deceiving himself. He confessed yesterday that he treaded atheism, I told him he didn't. He is still an agnostic fellow. He doubts God in one part, on the other part he believes but does not want to associate with religion. But it is just down to "belief." Beliefs are not logical, they can't be. Nobody can find god, he is not there, you can only believe your illusions.

Lol, i wonder how he thought comparing the book to the universe is sensible.

OkaiCorne:
You are missing the point...I am not arguing with you to prove you right or wrong, I just need one common sense example to prove me wrong or at the very least to back up your position.

how else do u want me to prove u wrong. U said u know the creator is one via common sense... i showed u how common sense cannot be used to make such a huge decision by exposing u to the fact that common sense can also be used to say the universe has many creators.

back up my position how? my position is I DONT KNOW how the universe came about... how do u want me to back my humble opnion up?

If you can bring one basic example here...then we can resume our discussion.

example for what? do u even know what u are asking for. I have shown u how faulty ur belief in a creator is and u are still asking me example. example of what really.

Do you want us to replay how basic arithmetics (basic examples) can play a role in furthermaths (advanced questions)?

off point

OkaiCorne:
For the records again...it is ETERNAL and not External...please these are different things abeg,

You are using my points against me...is that the farthest your intelligence can carry you? Please use one common sense example to counter my opinion before concluding I am wrong I have given you countless basic examples and I have not seen one from you

Also use one common sense example to back up your own conclusion. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE ... PLEASE LET OTHERS THAT ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU TRY THEIR LUCK

You are the first intelligent person I have come across that cannot back up his opinion with common sense

how did u know the creator is one... u said common sense
i have shown that common sense cannot be used to make such a huge decision on the beginning of the universe, but using the same common sense to show u that the universe can also be created by many creators...

i think i am done here. U say there is creator but knows nothing about it. Best advise. Dont say what u dont know.
NB: the universe is not like a book. Thats the dumbest thing i have heard all my life.

have a good day.

infact u win... the universe has one creator and his name is john. bye

OkaiCorne:
You might be right...because your view point is more expansive...

But do you know why I do not agree? If there is a story book with several starting points (Chapter 1s)...then your point of view can hold water.

the universe is not a story book.

the universe cannot be compared with a story book. The start of a story book is an activity that happens in the universe. The universe is beyond the activities in it.

My question to you is... Did these Eternal Creators come from One Source or Different Sources?

I dont believe the universe has an external creator... my position is.. I DONT KNOW HOW THE universe came about. Stop asking me a question and stop believing i think the universe has a creator when i am just using ur own point against u.

OkaiCorne:
Because common sense dictates that a Story (e.g. the Universe) has only one starting point, hence only one creator. [/]
one starting points means one creator? what kind of common sense is this?

what if i tell u that from the size and multiple function of the universe, i dont think it was started by one eternal being, rather, there must be many eternal beings who started the universe... would u think that logic lacks common sense?

OkaiCorne:
You are trying to use my words against me. I have typed what I typed there with a clear thought process...unless you are trying to prove you that you can read my mind.

THERE IS AN ETERNAL CREATOR.

GIVE ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE TO COUNTER MY POSITION BEFORE YOU CONCLUDE I AM WRONG...

You are really showing your intelligence right now Please demonstrate your thought process on why my opinion is wrong with just one common sense example

How did u know the creator is one and not many

OkaiCorne:
Did I type external or Eternal? Are you blind?

lol

My Personal Opinion is there is AN ETERNAL CREATOR.

its then a wrong opinion... since u ave already indicated that u have no details about any creator... you said u dont know if the creator is one or many... u cant be blowing hot and cold at the same time.

Why I added the other part is to let you know that I don't have the details to convince you whether the Creator is one or many.

u added the part because u dont have details... how then did u get the detail that the creator is one and external? how can u know what u have accepted that u dont know?

Leave TIME and COMMON SENSE to judge me because your opinion on the matter changes nothing.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE FROM YOU TO COUNTER MY POSITION ON A SINGLE ETERNAL CREATOR.

i am still waiting to hear what ur position is..

chose one position out of these two..

- there is AN eternal creator

- I dont know if the creator is ONE or MANY

OkaiCorne:
Because I do not have the granular details to feed your logic driven mindset.

You dont have the detalis... are u accepting that u just lied that there is AN external creator?

This is my opinion, if it is the TRUTH, let TIME and COMMON SENSE prove me right or wrong.

if what is the truth? your lies that there is An external creator when u dont have the details? when u dont know if there are other cretors too?

I await your common sense example to counter my position.

what is ur position? select one below

- there is AN external creator

- I dont know if the creator is ONE or MANY

You cant make two statements and call it a position...

OkaiCorne:
You sir that is alright, please show me a story book with different starting chapters. Just one example will do sir.

If you can't relate this to the Eternal Creator... then your brilliance should be called to question.

how can u say u DONT KNOW if the creator is one or many

then say u have arrived at a conclusion that there AN external creator

OkaiCorne:
Have you ever combined logic and intuition to arrive at any answer?

If you haven't then you will have a tough time understanding me.

I am waiting for a common sense example to counter my position. I expect a brilliant person to have common sense in abundance.

Now i am sure u are not alright.... this is what u said below


Whether the Creator is one or many...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU
Whether the Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.
Whether the Creator is Allah or God or Vishnu or whatever...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.

How then are u telling me that u have arrived at a conclusion that there is AN EXTERNAL CREATOR

how have two conflicting statements from u become a conclusion

OkaiCorne:
You have not countered my position with a common sense example. Instead of shouting I am wrong, just give one basic example. Nairaland is waiting for you.

I have countered u 'there is an external creator' position by asking u how u arrived at the fact that the creator is one and external

OkaiCorne:
Do you know you are very brilliant not to understand that my conclusion is THERE IS AN ETERNAL CREATOR?

On a scale of 1-10 your brilliance is (-10)

'there is an eternal creator' is not a conclusion. u didnt tell me how u arrived at the assurance that the creator of the universe is one. how then is it a conclusion?

OkaiCorne:
What exactly is your motive on this thread?

my motive is to show u that saying there is a creator means nothing. it tells us nothing and it is not the truth. it is actually the beginning of questions.

The universe could have been uncreated, it could have always existed. we have absolutely no idea if and how it all started. Stop saying it confidently that we have a creator... such statement means nothing. what if u are wrong that its not A creator... but creators.

No intuition made u see that this creator is just one... so what are u saying? if u dont know its one creator and many, why then are u saying we have a creator?

let me ask u.. If u conclude that there is a creator... and i conclude that there are creators... would u think we are saying the same thing?

OkaiCorne:
So you didn't learn anything on Logic and Intuition, but you want to express an opinion on my conclusion with limited logic driven knowledge?

there is nothing new u said about logic and intuition that i dont know... please dont pride urself that u have arrived at any conclusion... u dont have a conclusion.

OkaiCorne:
Very good. Now we have a common ground that there is a Creator (Whether He is One or Many...or Whether He is Eternal, I leave you to your opinion on that)

now u are leaving me to my opinion on that? something i have been asking u all day... u are suddenly leaving it so me? was it my postulation that there is a creator? u must be a joker.
how can u confidently say there is a creator when u dont know if its one or many?

If every story (e.g. the Universe) has a start point, then it is not out of place to conclude that there is AN ETERNAL Creator as the starting point of the story.

enough of this starting point nonsense and tell me why u think this creator is just one and why u think he is external.

Whether the Creator is one or many...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU
Whether the Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.
Whether the Creator is Allah or God or Vishnu or whatever...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.

so what do u want me to do with the assumptive information that there is a creator? there is a creator(who u know absolutely nothing about u are not even sure he is just one)... so what?

Do you understand how I arrived at my conclusion...and do you have a COMMON SENSE example to counter it?

You have arrived at no conclusion my friend... just saying that there a creator is n conclusion and its not common sense. its just a bogus assumption even babies can make... it tells us nothing.

OkaiCorne:
Do you understand me when I say INTUITION+LOGIC=INSIGHT


Read that post carefully where I stated "intuition formed A PART of my conclusion"

Did you go through my last post at all? Logic will confirm intuition with time. TIME is the best judge on my conclusion and NOT YOUR OPINION Whether you think I am right or wrong...I don't care. Let TIME judge me...

Now get ready for my answer which is just COMMON SENSE. I didn't read fables from a religious book to arrive at my conclusion.

I'll be back shortly.

What's the point of all these...why are we on logic and intuition all morning...

U say there is a creator... i am not disputing that... but such bogus statement solves nothing. It does not tell us anything about how we came to be... instead saying we have a creator brings up more questions such as... where is thia creator... are rhey many or just one...why create us...

All these logic and intuition stuff are just diversiob tactics...

I am not askinh how u got to know we have a creator which i think is why u are on about this logic and intuition... i am giving u the benefit of doubt by accepting there is a creator... we are now on the problem caused by assuming a creator hence the questions i gave been asking all day..


Whew

OkaiCorne:
Do you understand how Intuition forms a part of my conclusions on an Eternal Creator?

is intuition a reliable source of truth? we have gone over and over on how intuition without logic is just a wide guess... yet u are still on about intuition.

Do you really want to know? The answer is very simple even if there are no exact details for logic to feast up on.

Are you ready for my answer?

yes... talk to me and let me get it over with...

OkaiCorne:
Perfect! Now we are getting somewhere! I'll be back shortly. I'm in transit right now.

Please and please, I am not asking to believe in an Eternal Creator, I just want you to use a combination of logic and intuition to come up with a convincing argument that there is no Eternal Creator. Do you understand me? I want to learn something from you.

U asked me if i was an atheist or agnostic and this was my reply below


I dont know if a God exist... I have never seen one and i have never had a reasonable explanation of any creator. I think we should stick to accepting we dont know how it all came to be instead of assuming up a creator like u are doing and messing our thinking process up by trying to explain what we asummed up.
Based on lack of knowledge and good explanation... I dont believe any God exist. But i am willing to accept if one reveals himself to me.[i][/i]

U already have ur answer to the question above...

I am getting frustrated with ur thinking and some how its making me quite sad that such a promising young man can be this shallow.

I have asked you to be careful when u let ur imaginations run wide. Assuming there is a creator brings up many questions like some that i have been asking

Saying there must be a creator is not a solution to how we came... its just a bogus make believe statement... it only makes sense if u can say resonable things about this creator.

I assumed i have passed the stage of weather a creator exists or not with u for long.

I have always made my stand clear that we should accept we are ignorant of how we came while waiting and working towards more information. But if u want to confidently conclude there is one... then i will be glad and will like to take a step further in u telling me things about this creator u are so confident about... if u cant tell me things about it... dont lie to me that there is one because ur assumptions cannot take us anywhere.

OkaiCorne:
Let us go through your memory lane for instance.

Are there instances where you have been forced to make a quick decision based on your intuition (instincts)? You did not have details of what was happening but you had to make a decision?

The result of decisions made based soley on intuition are usually based on luck... the result could be positive or nagative and dependent solely on other factors. Its like gambling... throwing ur dice because u have a feeling it will display a high number.

One good thing about logic is that it puts all fators in control for its own advantage

OkaiCorne:
Do you know it is possible to train yourself to make accurate decisions with intuition in the absence of COMPLETE DETAILS logic would require?

I really dont know what this means... please can u explain further. why would there be complete absence of details logic would need? where will the details go?

OkaiCorne:
Thanks boss...now do you notice how Imaginations lead to[/b]faulty thinking and how logic [b]results from faulty thinking?

Do you know that Intuition is faster than logic but may be wrong or right?

Do you know that Logic is slower than Intuition but is almost always right?

Would you prefer to be fast and right than be slow and right?

whats ur point

Please be patient, we are getting somewhere...Just a quick one, are you an atheist or agnostic?[/quote]I dont know if a God exist... I have never seen one and i have never had a reasonable explanation of any creator. I think we should stick to accepting we dont know how it all came to be instead of assuming up a creator like u are doing and messing our thinking process up by trying to explain what we asummed up.
Based on lack of knowledge and good explanation... I dont believe any God exist. But i am willing to accept if one reveals himself to me.

u can label me on ur own from the above

OkaiCorne:
Thanks for your patience, we are getting somewhere now. I'll continue from here ASAP

Logic aside, do you also agree that wrong imagination can also lead to faulty thinking?

of course

OkaiCorne:
Be patient, I am pointing your attention to something if you really want to learn.

Is faulty thinking attributable to logic or intuition?

wrongly applied logic is attributed to faulty thinking