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butterflyl1on:
You say you left Christianity but I was not referring to that in my comment. I was talking about being Christian. (there is a difference)

i wouldn't have been a Muslim to leave Christianity would i

butterflyl1on:
Did you not say you were once a Christian? Do you not know?

Unless you lied about being a christian that's the only way you would not know the parameters.

I actually left Christianity because I discovered it does not lead to any God. Just some nonsensical stories about some jewish God who sent himself as his son to die for jews and if u dont believe in this rubbish he will burn u forever... is this your parameter for discovering God?

butterflyl1on:
God is not impossible to observe. The required parameters needed to observe him simply does not agree with scientific principles. Get the right parameters down and you are good to go same way for every scientific observation there are scientific parameters that must be met.

You can call it quid pro quo (something for something).

Our observable universe has been deduced scientifically as having a beginning and this agrees with the scriptures in Genesis which began with the words "IN THE BEGINNING".

both science and scripture agree to this.

ok so whats the right parameter to observe God

butterflyl1on:
So if the there is yet no scientific fact regarding the origin of our observable universe, how then can anyone postulate one about an impossible to observe multiverse?

Good question... how i wish u asked such question when believing in God.

Let me rephrase ur question...

So if there is yet no scientific fact regarding the origin of our observable universe, how them can anyone postulate about an impossible to observe begining? How can one come up with the idea of one creator?

Only God reserves the right to hate hia enemiea ans burn them forever... he is more like do as i say dont do as i do

kingmeme:
i almost die on Saturday after I don pledge my membership to atheist on Friday not on dis thread https://www.nairaland.com/4326422/atheist-nairaland-pls-welcome-me , I had a very terrible accident along lagos/Ibadan express way, when d bus I entered was hit by 2 petrol tanker , have never experience accident in my life b4 , and to make matter worse am not fully conscious at d moment cus am far asleep in the bus (the first I will sleep when I entered a bus) its just d sound of d hit DAT woke me up (atleast i for dey beg for forgiveness and say my last prayer aswell) I don't even knw wats going on all I just dey see na b say everything dey hit each other glass dey brake, bus dey roll for road, but atleast d concrete was there to stop d car from sommersating to d canal, devil wan catch me unaware , so for now I will rather be an antagonist Dan being an atheist, If i don die I no go still arrest am afterall.

I guess u mean agnostic... u better return back to Christianity asap. Even as an agnostic, u are still going to hell when u die

danvon:
Soo, Are they intelligent because they are Atheists?
Or
Are they Atheists because they are intelligent?

They atheists because they are intelligent

Childofaking:
You don't how it all started but you are sure it is not God.
I pity you. You see, atheism is all a wishful thinking;
You wish there is no God
You wish you would not have to give account of your life to anybody.
You wish you can live your life as you want.
But you are wrong. Because very soon it will be very clear to you that " it is appointed unto man to die once then the judgement"
But then it will be too late. Your not believing there is God does not make God to stop existing.

you can get back to me when u have something reasonable to say.
i didnt say i am sure its not God... that, i dont know. however, I am sure its not Yahweh or Allah or any of the already human mentioned Gods.

Childofaking:
So what is your own believe ; you don't know how it started or there is no God ?

Your God does not exist and we dont know how it all started. I am sure its not ur God... perfectly sure

Emmanystone:
You are insignificant in the scheme of things. What you do or say doesn't count in your own immediate family circle, what makes you think it will matter here? Get lost.

Oh most significant one in the scheme of things. You are so much more important because you believe the creator of the world started off in isreal and sent his son as a jew ro die for you african. You are so important to your creator God that you have to have a thread where u encourage one another on how to deal with the sufferings both u and the unimportant ones experience here on earth.
Read more read more! "The sovereignty of God" "where is God when it hurts" figure ur God out in ur head and manage ur sufferings while u feel most important in the scheme of things.

Childofaking:
You need faith to believe that everything happened with a bang.

You need faith to believe that all the beauties of nature happen on their own .

You need faith to believe that the complex anatomy and body structure of humans and other animals just happened on their own without a creator.

You need faith to believe that the earth and other planets which are standing on nothing just came on their own and arranged themselves round the sun just like that. You need strong faith to believe that.

You need faith to believe that the answers I received to my prayers are not answers from God . It is just coincidence. Several coincidences over the years.
And these coincidences happened each time I pray.

You need strong faith to believe there is no God much more than you need to beleive he is.

I concur... u need more faith to accept we dont know how it all started than to accept a magical sky daddy got too bored of being alone for thousands of years and then decided to split himself into three, Then he started creating angels and humans and billions of planets for his own pleasure but they ran out od his control and he started devicing means to rescue his creations whom he will burn later if they dont accept to be rescured.

Gggg102:
you know this could justify many of God's other killings.

maybe those innocent souls that God wiped out would have been more hitlers. no one knows.
the people that die during disasters could be devils.


I was saw a picture on the internet were someone held a sign saying "God killed your child so he wouldn't become an atheist"
do you think arguments like these should be justified since one can also say God killed x so that x will not become evil?

How could it justify the many of God's other killing?

Like he killed many bad kids and forgot to kill Hitler and Stalin?

Gggg102:
I'm not saying the decision is good

I'm asking if there is any alternative that is good

Destroy Lucifer and this time create a creature who will not challenge him instead of sending him to earth on a destruction spree. Simple

Gggg102:
well what I'm thinking is that God should have punished Lucifer from the beginning.
but somehow it doesn't sound right to me. after all Lucifer had not done anything yet. wouldn't it be like killing baby Hitler if God had punished him before he did anything?

also I'm thinking if God had thrown Lucifer into hell immediately, it would only increase his followers. it would make God a dictator and destroy the concept of free will.

Was God confused about what to do with Lucifer, his creation? So how had the decision God finally made reduced Lucifer's followers? tell me 2 good things we can extract from Gods decision.

vaxx:
Atheism was forced on east Germany, it was not in their cultural system, their former leader do it to for their own interest. i am spiritual and at same time scientific. so what i see, you may not see. you have to get yourself educated on spirituality first before you doubt it. i reccomend

hmmmmm ... ok

vaxx:
you will never see the truth if you do not collapsed your ego.

Development is a literal terms, you should be careful when using it next time. if you are using economics terminology, then identify it. human index development(access to quality health care , basic infrastructure and social amenities) in the west is far better than that of Africa. this is true. and do you know why? it has nothing to do with our concentration on spirituality but failure to annex our cultural system in line with our political system, instead we depend on the ideology of the west(capitalism). No nations developed while relying on borrowed system. check china , Singapore, south Korea this nation were once colonized by the British and Japanese respectively....but these nation quickly realized following the former master ideology will not in any way yield profit. they draw the master plan of their economy in line with the cultural values and to day these once a colony state are at per of far better than their former master.

Africa in its early days was well organized, before the white set in. using the Yoruba society as an example, we give democracy and freedom to women in our society even before the west do. we lay a good foundation of political leadership before the west set in, everything collapsed when the west visit our prosperous land. Kenya economy is better than that of Korea in 1970 but today you will think the reverse is the case. we can only achieved progressed until we go back to our cultural values system. Europe understand it better. read this book online ... how Europe underdeveloped Africa

Nigeria spiritual system is politicized , what we practiced here is a borrowed ideology.... i repeat no nation can developed without annexing its cultural value.. WE are still under colony but is called neocolonialism

@bolded
you know this and you went ahead to blame east Germany poorly advanced stage on atheism

Ishilove:
Very well written piece of narration. Captivating, funny in parts, words that paint vivid images, I really don't care if it is fact or fiction because the OP"s descriptive powers is very admirable.

ya... the guy is really a good writer. I envy him

Gggg102:
wouldn't that make God look weak and scared of competition? and justify Lucifer more.

wouldn't it lead to more rebellion.
you would be killing people with opposing ideas

They are his creations. Why will God bother about competition with his creation? I dont understand.

If u create a robot and it corrupts, would u be more concerned with what other robots think when you repair or destroy the corrupt robot?

So u would rather have the robot corrupt other robots because u dont want the other robits to thinking u are scared of competition?

U call God the almighty and all powerful yet he is considering competing with his creation. This God funny sha

vaxx:
let me tell you something you are not thinking, the world is still the same ,no any developed country anywhere.... so far sickness , sorrow , sadness ,still persist... and this is why elion musk is working on mars colony so that humanity will not go into extinction , he is also looking for a way to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide that emit to our atmosphere to reduce the impact of global warming.... NO Nation is actually a heaven on earth....Am sure you aware UK just appoint minister in charge of loneliness

This is why i said an otherwise answer from you will be like pulling the rabbit out of the bag. Your response has absolutely nothing to do with what we are saying here.

My response to u was based on ur words that east Germany, an atheist community, is not advanced. This implies that u accept that some communities are better than others in terms of advancement. Why are u now telling me that there are no developed societies anywhere? Didnt u know this before making a comparison with east germany?

Fine i accept there is no perfect society but u and i know the road in uk are better than that of Nigeria, The hospitals in London are better equipped and have beter doctors than your exemplary East Germany.

My question which in your attempt to dodge u responded with a completely unrelated statement is: what has your spiritual Nigeria achieved in terms of advancement compared to other less spiritual societies?

vaxx:
Do you want me to answer you? then you have to collapse your ego.

Actually i just want u to think this through... everything i said is staring u right there in ur face... an otherwise answer would be like pulling the rabbit out of the hat

vaxx:
East Germany is more of atheist republic(the most godless place on earth), it is roughly 29 years now after the Berlin wall has been broken, they still can not meet up with the west or will forever meet up. Not because of economic opportunity but due to lack of spirituality. atheism dose not translate to comfort...

Catholic has been playing a leading role in west Germany development....in fact the political power of the west Germany is build on western oriented catholic support....... most of the atheist on nairaland do not see more than their eyes to their nose....

i think Nigeria atheist are only atheist in thought but religious in reality. with this life style ,you might not see any Nigeria atheist in real life.

Mr spiritual... kindly tell us what your country has achieved with spirituality? churches, mosques and shrines every where yet the people are living in abject poverty, politicians and busy embezzling your money, pastors are milking the poor, traditional sprirtualists are deceiving the gullible. Go out and see how thousands of your spiritual citizens on fuel que buying the fuel they produce at high prices. the roads are bad, the old people are just fading of, hospitals are filled with the sick, no doctors or pastors or spiritualists to heal them.

Tell us how ur country is better than the east Germany you castigate.

Or perhaps tell us how being a spiritual country has helped us.

lady2sexy:
its seems there are more atheist in this forum and they're all very subjective in their response. the only concrete fact I have gotten from this board is the fact that most white folks are relatively comfortable hence they are less religious. However, e also have blacks that are very comfortable and very religious at the same time. Am surprised to see many Nigeria atheist here while in real life I have never met one.

most Nigerian atheists are closet atheists... they are their in the churches, some of them are pastors. At the end of the day, being a christian is just an act. it might help curb down human excesses but at the end of the day it is all about the individual and not prayer or God any where.

From your statement in quote, it is obvious that you accept that with of without God both black and white can be comfortable. it has nothing to do with praying or God, it has all to do with lifestyle. However, praying and waiting for miracle can have a devastating effect of a lazy mind. it is is bad for the gullible and poor thinkers. I am just hoping you are not one.

Take your time out... what makes rich blacks and whites rich? be honest.. is it really prayer?

if with or without prayer, one can be rich (as you have accepted in the quoted post) then there must be a common factor for the rich... prayer is definitely not it.

budaatum:
We've been trying to teach him. But we've not been successful. He has friends who delight in his ignorance.

Exactly what they did to felixomore until the turned to the clown of the house

What a stunt... who paid her? Why not mention the people who paid u. U are ready to come out and confess but u cannot mention who paid u... naija i hailooo