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This really needed to be said for long!!!
Why are Nigerian parents sooo docile??!!
Just like sheep!!!

fergie001:
There is something called the Church of Nigeria, Anglican Communion.

There is a reason for that!

You said "God bless the Anglican Church" which literally means "God bless the church of the people of ENGLAND"!!

fergie001:
This nonsense started with Rowan Williams. His predecessor, Carey was openly against it even when he came to Nigeria in 2001, he was very livid with any suggestion towards that.

God will help his church, Amen.
God Bless the Anglican Church!

Do you know "Anglican" means "English"?
You just said "bless the English church" or "Church of a Country called ENGLAND" (NOT Nigeria!)

DeepSight:
A man. An envoy of the Light.

A man who was in existence before creation?

That's the problem with fame.
You're no longer free.

Didn't know she's Yoruba

DeepSight:
The fate of my soul is none of your concern.

By the way I asked you a question you never answered:
If Jesus is not God what else can he be?

DeepSight:
The fate of my soul is none of your concern.

Never said it was.
But have you ever considered, WHAT IF HE IS RIGHT?? After all you don't have the foggiest idea what this our "reality" is. You just happen to find yourself here and started using the extremely small and limited brain you were given to decide what God can do and what ttributes God must have!

Same age as my pap. But my poor papi is only rich not a billionaire

DeepSight:
I am not interested. I will only pursue discussions with either of you when I see a clear willingness to abandon absurdites and the habit of compulsive illogic. Other than that, enjoy yourself. And dont worry about my soul, it is not yours.

You are NOT interested in Salvation? Mark today's date as the day you said that.
Have you ever considered that NO ONE gains anything by telling you the only way to Salvation is Jesus?
Or just consider the Spirit, Jesus. What a beautiful Spirit indeed. Say what teachings of his you disagree with

DeepSight:
Why dont you attempt this question yourself.
Because the truth is simple: you want to declare that God can be a man.
So, following your own question: how do you also know that?

I never claimed to know what God can do or not do. I only use my common sense in addition to what's presented in the Bible. All those people over thousands of years couldn't have been fooled or lying!

sonmvayina:
Let us assume that Jesus actually existed.

How is he different from you?
When man is Body made of dust + God's spirit or breath(which is same image and likeness as God) and the body is same image and likeness as earth.

You don't have to assume anything. Jesus is ALIVE and ACTIVE in people's lives TODAY!!
You think all the saints and martyrs died because of someone that didn't exist? Or you think the martyrs didn't exist also? Or their persecution akso didn't exist. Or you think you know better than them? You that is 2000+ years removed??

DeepSight:
Enjoy.

Enjoy what?
My good brother this is NOT just some academic discussion.
Don't throw away free Salvation because you're trying to reason something that is waaay beyond your comprehension.
You don't know what this is. It could very well be a dream or some sort of a hoax. Someone who knows was foretold and has come and told you how to be saved. What do you think Jesus or anyone else gains by telling you Christ is the only way to salvation?

DeepSight:
Men are not born of virgins, neither did they create the universe, they are created beings.

He is FULLY man, and FULLY God

DeepSight:
@ The red bold -

1. Were you born of a virgin?

2. Do you transfigure?

3. Are you simultaenously God?

If you answer any of the above in the negative, then your statement in red bold above is categorically, emphatically, ineluctably and indubitably false.

Come on you know what he means. Doesn't mean we perform miracles like him. It means he feels pain, sadness, etc just like us, is fully man like us

sonmvayina:
Please provide the references.

I am waiting.

Please . I really want to see them

God has already provided everything we need in the Torah. I dont understand the purpose of the new theology the Romans fostered on the world.

Please provide the references....I asked you to in my previous post, you ignored it.


Hope it is not that Isaiah 7:14, because it is about a war that will soon happen. The sign was for king Ahaz to assure him his kingdom will still stand.
Or Isaiah 9:6 which is about future king Hezekiah. The child was already given/born when Isaiah was writing it. He is going to be a king in the future,meaning he was already a prince now (first son of king Ahaz).
Or Isaiah 53 which is about a different servant . And 8 times prior to Isaiah 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is....... isreal/ jacob

The prophet Micah specifically prophesied that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). 
Several prophecies point to Jerusalem as the location of Jesus's future ministry and suffering. 
• Psalm 2:6 speaks of God anointing his king on Zion. 
• Psalm 110:4 refers to the priesthood of the Messiah, also associated with Jerusalem. 
• Zechariah 9:9 foretells the Messiah's arrival in Jerusalem on a donkey. 
• Zechariah 12:10 speaks of a time when people will mourn for him in Jerusalem. 
• Galilee:
Isaiah 9:1-2 prophesies that the ministry of Jesus would begin in Galilee. 
• Egypt:
Hosea 11:1 speaks of God calling his son out of Egypt, which is interpreted as a prophecy of Jesus's time in Egypt as a child. 
• Ramah:
Jeremiah 31:15 speaks of weeping in Ramah, which is connected to the Massacre of the Innocents in Matthew 2:17-18. 
• Other Locations:
Prophecies also mention other locations in relation to specific events, such as the potter's field (Zechariah 11:12-13) and places associated with his crucifixion. 

Do you want more?

CanadaOrBust:
You don't have to know what God can or cannot do. All you have to know is impossibility. To be all-knowing and not be all-knowing at same time is impossibility!!!!!

But God can be localized in heaven and be everywhere at same time. Wehdone

sonmvayina:
the entire so called new testament is deception.
the purpose is to deceive you.

look at the Tanakh for proper theology.
think for your self

Deceive me for what purpose?? The Miqra or Tanakh is full of references to Jesus and his divinity so how can you believe one and not believe the other?

sonmvayina:
GOD is the creator, he cant be part of creation. does not make sense. the creator and the creation are OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

he cant be part of Nigeria.

just like Africa cant be part of Nigeria.....


not possible

And HOW do you know all this?
Why couldn't God have done as Paul wrote in Philippians 2 (and we have to presume that Paul knows better than you!)

6Who, being in very nature a God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

7rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!

Gabrielshow24:
Well, you didn't enunciate it properly for him. The way you put it created a contradiction because you earlier claimed, "God could not beget" 🤔, which is more in line with our cousins' view. Jesus is the only begotten of the Father as he is the only one through the action of the Holy Spirit to come forth from the womb of the woman without earthly donation on the man's part.

He is eternal and uncreated because several verses emphasize this, he himself said this. If we are to go by simple logic since he predates time then he can not be created🤔, since creation also connotes time.

This is the way to make them see it. Like two sides of a coin but yet all encapsulated by the coin itself. There are always several views but the best is always the complete view. You, yourself, are also guilty of this as you believe your choices are illusory—partial view. Hence He is a universal set that encapsulates all these things and doesn't cause any contradiction whatsoever!

Deepsight does this answer your question?
But he was the only begotten Son of God even before his mother was born. Right?

CanadaOrBust:
To answer your question I will go out on a limb and take a wild guess: because man cannot be God and still be man. The two are mutually exclusive!!!!!

Not a bad answer at all.
And how do you know what God can and cannot do?

DeepSight:
Stop trying to force your own presumptions into scripture. Again, you are trying to run away. The contradiction is clear. Deal with it -

1. You say that God doesnt beget anything - YET:
2. The Bibles describes Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

Both cant be right. Who is right here - you or the Bible?

You have to first go and find out what "beget" means on that context

DeepSight:
Even disciples of Guru Maharaji and Olumba Olumba Obu say similar things.



He can write what he likes, but the truth is there is no one man who is the word of God. Neither is it possible to be with someone and be that person at the same time.



Yes, Son, not God.



God has no beginning and no end.



It doesnt matter what they wrote or thought. Even if they wrote "Jesus is God" one million times over, it would not make Jesus God. No man is God.

Aside from this, you ony look at verses that align with your notion that Jesus is God. I listed 20 solid verses that say the opposite and you pretend they are invisible. Anyway thats how all religious people treat their scripture. They always ignore what they dont like in it.

Which prophets foretold Olumba as God coming? Mention things about Jesus that also happened with all these people.

You are trying to use carnal mind to reason spiritual things. God is beyond your comprehension.

How can God have a son?? Any "son" can only be part of himself. Use your head sometimes.

Jesus has no beginning and no end.

No man is God. Jesus is the exception.

My main evidence that Jesus is God is NOT from biblical verses but from common sense.

Question for you, if he's not God, what is he?

DeepSight:
It simply doesnt matter. Maybe you dont understand that there have been other indivdual figures with such a massive impact over millenia. Prophet Muhammad is one. The Buddha is another. And there are still others. Having all of that impact (with attendant prophecies/miracles or none) simply does not suffice to convert anyone into the creator of the universe. At best you can say thats a remarkable man with a remarkable impact on others/ history.

You simply don't reason very well my good brother.
Both Muhammad and Buddha and Olumba and Moses and anyone else you can name in history had an ordinary life till they had an epiphany. NONE was foretold as God conming to visit earth hundreds of years before they were born. NONE!!! NONE was worshipped as new-borns by spiritually insughtful mystics. NONE!!! NONE had a great prophet come just to prepare the way for them and said they were not fit to untie their shoes. NONE!!! NONE did God the Father speak at their baptism. NONE!!! NONE raised anyone from the dead, commanded the wind, and other miracles. NONE!!! NONE forgave sins and said they'd come into people's hearts. NONE! NONE said they'd raise themselves from dead after 3 days. NONE!!!
NONE said their words would last forever. NONE!!!

DeepSight:
There we go. You are presuming and imposing your own views on scripture. Look at the red bold.

1. You say that God doesnt begt anything - YET:
2. The Bibles describes Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

Both cant be right. Who is right here - you or the Bible?

What word would you use to describe a person who is God, has always been with God, but is a separate person?

DeepSight:
Lol, look who is asking anyone to use their head. You?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Listen. The minute you use the bold - "Came from" - its over. It shows that he had a beginning. God has no beginning.

This is so ridiculous. The important thing is that it was NOT created! It was always there with God!! You are befuddled by the word "begotten", when you know full well God doesn't "beget" anything

Boomark:
Freeigboho

I want to deal with you and your Nicea belief. So that you know that I dealt with your Nicea belief while still younger than those who formed it for you.

This will show you that the Ai knows what it is doing. We will use it to do the neutral test you are asking for.

I want to ask you a question:
Did Thomas have the Bible and AI before he called Jesus "My God".
How about when John wrote "And the Word was with God and the word was God."
Or when Peter declared "“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Or John in Revelation, where Jesus is declared the "Alpha and Omega," signifying that He is the beginning and the end, the first and the last?

Did they have the Bible and AI for all this?
These were people who knew Jesus personally. Do you think you'll ever know better than them by reading 100th hand account of what they experienced 1st hand??

DeepSight:
It is said that such things came from God, simple.
And God is not a man that he needs a wife, is he?

Came from God before creation. Isn't that God? Use your head sometimes

LordReed:
Here you are being obtuse again. Its getting disgusting.

You were asked a simple question. Where are they today? After you answer the question we'll decide who is being obtuse.

Boomark:
See your challenge here so understand that 2000+ year means nothing or 2000+ years of believing a lie. Do your best o so you won't be shamed with empty 2000 years portfolio.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood/3#136334085

DeepSight:
GBAM!

2000+ years definitely matters.
If some Jewish carpenter with neither money nor conections tells you he is God the Son of God, and tells you how you'd know he's telling the truth is that his words will never pass away. It definitely matters that his words are strong as ever 2000+ years later!

DeepSight:
Oga, I have read it. There are many ways in which Christians (and scripture) define Christ. It will be disingenuous, when challeneged on the rationality of one description, to run to another description. For heavens sake, he is also called Lord, the Truth, the Way and the Life, the Living Bread, the True Vine, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb, the Messiah, Emmanuel, I can go on and on. So please stop running from pillar to post: the definition under discussion is "the only begotten son."

We are saying that being "begotten" is inconsistent with being uncreated.

Shikena.

And I'm saying the inconsistency is from man's perspective. How can God begot a son without a wife?? Anything that was with God before creation has to be God - otherwise where did they come from??

DeepSight:
Your words are not you and you existed even before you could speak or ever spoke, if that analigy suffices.
Besides dont change the point: the point is about his being a begotten son, not about being the word of God, whatever that means.

Have you ever read John 1:1? See it below