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rvp20182:
That is very true. You just need oil to hit 15-20 dollars a barrel before Nigeria is exposed.

Exactly, I really pity Nigeria.

rvp20182:
Sorry but facts are stubborn. It's not my fault that Nigerian GDP just doesn't make sense and your attempt at defending it has come a gropper! Yeah I think if I was brutal with the figures - like kenyans are - 5b dollars is about right - I inflated the cereals by adding 100 dollars per tonne(price) - and now you livestock sector maybe is mas 4b dollars - all the eggs in the world are worthless trust me.

As you can already see - Nigeria will struggle to get to 20B dollars!

Exactly, Nigeria is such a poor country, and it would take her many years to get to the level of advanced Kenya my dream country.

rvp20182:
Yeah - I checked that - and seem you did some sampling - the figures look about okay to me. Now how much is your livestock sector worth - note - we are talking say beef sold per annum - I know when it comes to milk - you import billions of milk powder so there is very little those fulani cows bring.

I think our livestock sector is 1-2b dollars (see this thread for when I did estimation) - I am going to say Nigeria is thrice that - so give take - 3-6 billion dollars.

Next - you're just about 10 dollars now. Cereal 4 billion dollars. Livestock 6 billion ( - and I am being very generous - just to encourage you!).

OK thanks for the encouragement, I think 10billion dollars is even too much, and those figures I posted earlier were cooked by corrupt Nigerians, I think we are even about 5Billion dollars.
To be honest, Kenya is simply the best, my eyes just got opened now from my research.

rvp20182:
That is summary done by someone who was misled by Nigeria GDP. Totally misled.

Let put figures. Nigeria has 19M head of cattle. Big news. 10yrs ago (Kenya CENSUS 2009)...Kenya had cattle (18 million), sheep (18 million), goats (28 million). camels(3 million) pigs (334,689) and poultry (31 million)

Please put metric tonnes of latest production figure for cocoa (you can even use ivory coast or ghana more credible figures), ground nuts, rubber and palm oil.

ok, for Nigeria it is...
72.5million goats, 41.3million sheep, 7.1million pigs, 28000camels, 145million chickens, 11.6million ducks, 1.2million turkeys, 974,499 donkeys. Are you satisfied now
I Know for advanced Kenya, those figures are all in billions.

rvp20182:
I am sure you'll now be happier if your GDP was 320B (when the real exchange is used). Trust me but there is no way Nigeria Agri is bigger than Kenya or South Africa - I'd put you total agri GDP at less than 10B dollars. Just proof me wrong by bringing the quantities of all the agri produces and we can get international prices easily.

It insane to even imagine it can be compared to Brazil. Or that at you apex - your had nearly same Agri with US of A

You guys are basically NET IMPORTER OF FOOD - you import tonnes of wheat, rice, sugar, tomato paste, milk powder, name it.

You economy is simple. Sell OIL. Import Food. And that is why to get out of it you guys are thinking of re-starting your long collapsed agriculture.

Nigeria ranks sixth worldwide and first in Africa in farm output. The sector accounts for about 18% of GDP and almost one-third of employment. Nigeria has 19 million head of cattle, the largest in Africa.[29] Though Nigeria is no longer a major exporter, due to local consumer boom, it is still a major producer of many agricultural products, including: cocoa, groundnuts (peanuts), rubber, and palm oil. Cocoa production, mostly from obsolete varieties and overage trees has increased from around 180,000 tons annually to 350,000 tons.
Major agricultural products include cassava (tapioca), corn, cocoa, millet, palm oil, peanuts, rice, rubber, sorghum, and yams. In 2003, livestock production, in order of metric tonnage, featured eggs, milk, beef and veal, poultry, and pork, respectively. In the same year, the total fishing catch was 505.8 metric tons. Roundwood removals totaled slightly less than 70 million cubic meters, and sawnwood production was estimated at 2 million cubic meters. The agricultural sector suffers from extremely low productivity, reflecting reliance on antiquated methods. Agriculture has failed to keep pace with Nigeria's rapid population growth, so that the country, which once exported food, now imports a significant amount of food to sustain itself. However, efforts are being made towards making the country food sufficient again.

source..wikepedia

rvp20182:
Yeah I was mistaken. Your agriculture is truly admirable. You shouldn't change nothing. I mean if you can produce 150 billion dollars worth of agriculture - the whole world just don't realize how GREAT your agriculture is. JESUS chrsit...you guys are really thick!

It is not admirable, it is 18 percent of a 400 billion dollar gdp, so not more than 80billion dollars probably, but the problem I have is you comparing it to that of small kenya.

rvp20182:
Agri - farming, fishing, livestock+forestry.

Okay let's try South Africa. Example of GDP that is not cooked. GDP 350B - Agri is 2.5% - that less than 10B dollars for Agri.

US 18 trillion - Agri is mere 180B.

Nigeria (400B now - sometimes 500 plus billion ) - share of agri 25%(seen 40% too) - it's agri is worth 100B - at worst - and 150B - at best - Just slightly bellow the UNITED STATE OF AMERICA

Kenya - a well known agri giant - GDP (88B) - Agri - 20B (23% share).

Now shows us this 100B dollars....even put you all your cereal production 10 times --- what it is - and you'll still not get to 50B dollars

How is Kenya a well known agri giant, all through my searches online I have never seen Kenya listed as a dominant producer of anything on any agricultural list in the world.

rvp20182:
Nigeria agricluture collapsed the same day Oil was discovered. Yeah Nigeria is about twice Kenya in land size and has about 40% of it's land arable compared to 10% of kenya ( Israel has very little land) but I just don't see how Nigeria agriculture is bigger than Kenya.

Lets do the maths.

The problem is that you take every criticism you read on Nigeria to be hundred percent. When Nigerians criticize the Government saying agriculture died completely the moment oil was discovered, it does not translate to a zero agricultural activity. In the last era, Akinwumi Adesina led a revival in the agricultural sector and is now doing same for Africa as president of the AFDB.
I do not have time to dig out facts for you, but since you love to googlr, you can spend the whole day educating yourself on agriculture in Nigeria, you can even start from wikepedia if you want. I used to think Brazillians should be the ones trying to belittle Nigeria on this, not Kenya for godsake.

Kenya we are not your mates, quit fooling yourselves and go play with Tanzania.

rvp20182:
I can help you with simple google - here is credible data,

wheat, rice, corn and sorghum is set at about --16.3 million tons! - from USDA - US Agri dept who knows their stuff.
https://oryza.com/tags/nigeria-rice-production-11

I think that pretty much your agriculture don't you agree!

I am going to give a best guestimate of 200-300 dollars per tonne for that (It should be 150dollars ) but let me double it.
250*16.3 million tonnes =4 B dollars!!!!!!!!!

Your cereal production GDP is mere 4 B dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What else do you have tubers...cassava, yam, sweat potato & ?

And we can add ground nuts, cashew nuts, cocoa, kola nuts...and we should be pretty much done.

OKay we will add some few fulani beef and milk


I doubt you'll even reach 20B dollars like Kenya. It's obvious your AGRI sector is crap compared to Kenya.

You inflated your GDP 10 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The question is.. Are you saying Kenya is ahead of Nigeria in agricultural production, pls do not tell me you actually believe that.
Nigeria is first in Africas farm output and sixth largest in the world with cocoa being the second largest source of revenue after oil. Even your google and wikepedia should have told you so. Dragging NIgeria to your level on this is an insult, I Would rather you compete with only Taraba state on this, not even Benue.

abinchrist:
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Let's proof to Mr President that we are not

My man, what century are you from> there is no more economic recession.

nwoke37:
Nigeria didn't ask for help from the IMF when the recession was upon us. Instead, we created the right policies and started investing to stimulate the economy. Today, Nigeria has successfully exited recession without the help of the IMF.

I wonder why someone would be proud of IMF lending to them, which is even a bigger trap. The logic behind this kind of reasoning is simply beyond me.

jason14:
since we are now talking about impossibilities

The guy is a comedian, now he is talking about Kenyan agriculture and comparing it with that of Nigeria, what an insult, NIGERIA RANKS SIXTH WORLDWIDE AND FIRST IN AFRICA IN FARM OUTPUT.

Another thing the Kenyans fail to understand is that the Chinese and the west are extending their empires into Africa, and they find in Kenya a suitable home simply because of its Geographical position in Africa and the weather, not a so called attractive environment.

rvp20182:
Sorry IMF or WB doesn't validate GDP. Just defend your GDP. It shouldn't be hard to show us the mighty Nigerian Giant.

They do, else they wouldnt be taken seriously by the world. They even project likely future trends for each economies. Like I said, go back to your economics teacher.

rvp20182:
Yes - and the best they can do is put * - official figures hard to believe. I think they should do the same with Nigerian figures.If you GDP is solid - it shouldn't be hard to defend it. It pure bollocks and you know it. Ask me to tell me where all 85-88B production or expenditure is coming from Kenya and I would be more than happy to show you where every 1B dollar is from.

Please talk about something else you GDP IS SO CRAP. Over-cooked. That is why you total budget including states is 36B dollars. Kenya total is 32B dollars.

Just explain to me how Nigeria has bigger agricluture than Brazil.

You are unbelievable, if they do this it would not go into official records of the IMF or trading economics, not simply because it is false, but because they do not agree with it. Go ask your economics teacher, then come back.

rvp20182:
When did that matter? May choose to start her business in Kenya and it's grown.She may already be a white kenyan citizen. That is how a modern country does things - you attract fdi, technologies, people and definitely Nairobi is the SOCIAL CAPITAL of Africa (if not the world).

I can list so many of them...but just know the amount of fdi for social enterprise landing in Nairobi dwarf Nigeria...Kenya is the incubator where ideas are tried...because we got our basic right and we have progressive population.

In short why did they skip the Nigeria giant

Attracting FDI is different from claiming it as a Kenyan start up. The idea is from Harvad by the oyinbos, and they took it to India, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria, So why did they skip India. Nigerians have started many things in Ghana, the Ghanians can claim them for all we care, but that is within us Africans at least. Stop claiming oyinbos work, that is my point.

rvp20182:
Show me one country where IMF or WB has criticize their numbers. Nobody cares if you cook your GDP - it's not like there is a prize for that. But try asking for Loan or Investment - and that is when you'll know what IMF or WB think about your 500B dollar economy. You GDP is not cooked - it is over-cooked.

As regard kenyan economy - It's solid at 85-88B - and 10yrs ago it was 20B dollars - so you can say in next 10yrs - we will turn our 85B to 350B --about the size of South Africa.

Cooking GDP will not do anything to Nigeria - except fool nigerians and investor foolish enough to trust nigerian numbers. I mean those multinational that have tried to enter 500B dollar economy - were quickly disappointed and ran for dear life.

Like these guys crying here
So if I get you right, you are telling me the Somalians could wake up one morning to declare themselves the biggest economy in the world and this would go into IMF records, and trading economics.

Cornel Krummenacher, chief executive officer of Nestle’s equatorial Africa (as sub-Saharan Africa is sometimes called) unit, caused a stir after he was cited as saying by the Financial Times famously saying; “We thought this would be the next Asia, but we have realised the middle class here in the region is extremely small and it is not really growing”.

So if I get you right, you are telling me the Somalians or Namibians could wake up one morning to declare themselves the biggest economy in the world, and this would go into the IMF records and trading economics without verification

rvp20182:
How many schools did they open in Harvard. Bridges was started in Kenya and has it's HQ in Kenya. The initial idea I bet was in some bathroom but eventually Kenya like it has done for so many social start ups - proof the best places to get started. That is why when Nigeria talk of FDI - I just laugh - if you find out how many startups in US (Newyork & San francisco) doing their business principally from kenya - then you won't talk about Nigeria in say tech.

My point is that it was founded by whites not Kenyans, therefore it is not a Kenyan start up. The woman Shannon May met with other colleagues in Harvard, and that was where the idea came up.

rvp20182:
Are we in the onyimbo kind thing . Bridges is as kenyan as it's get. It was started here and Kenya remain their biggest base and HQs. They are so many start up that emerges out of Nairobi or target Nairobi/Kenya and shoot for the sky - and even those that starts in Nigeria--- their first port of call is not Ghana - but Kenya or Nairobi - because here in Kenya they will find a truly progressive populace

Bridges was started in Havard

rvp20182:
I am just helping our brothers.....they should ask South Africa..who over-run Nigeria but found Kenya just too much for them. Nairobi will be their death-bed - It akin to Kenyan companies trying to compete in South Africa...I mean they are many easy fruits to pick including Nigeria.

One market that they failed to come to terms with was Kenya, in part East Africa’s most advanced economy had entrenched brands and was base to a host of multinationals. It’s for that reason that Kenya is interesting, because also being an open economy, it represents one of the most extreme barriers to entry placed by strong competitors, not government as in many parts of Africa. The Nigerian example is instructive too, beyond of the way the country forms loyalties to brands.

http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-12-18-several-false-starts-later-s-african-companies-figure-out-lucrative-kenyan-market

Again if the kenyan market is as competitive as you say, then why are you a meagre 70billion dollar economy, dont give me that bullcrap about Nigeria cooking her gdp, if anyone can just cook their gdp for the IMF and it would be accepted, then even Somalia and Mauritius can claim to be a 100billion dollar economy, and the IMF would accept too.

rvp20182:
0baaderemi:
I bet you've never heard of Cellulant - a kenya company that has been in Nigeria for more than 10yrs now
http://cellulant.com.ng/
Cellulant is running Agrikoer -Cellulant's eWallet technology that to-date has impacted more than 15 Million farmers in Nigeria and Liberia.

Other examples of companies started in Kenya and now in Nigeria.Bridges International Schools, Envirofit, Kopo Kopo (mobile payment systems).I am pretty sure I can find more if I wanted to.

Where do you get your data from, you keep disgracing yourself on this thread. Envirofit and Bridges International Schools are not Kenyan start ups, and I am still searching for the info on kopokopo in Nigeria. Cellulant is a Nigerian/kenyan collaboration.
You just lie anyhow, you are lucky the spambot drove me away.

Exactly, the young goalkeeper can only give her best in this second half just like Uzoho.

vipleague or vipbox is also a good link

Jetleeee:
Rails are just as important as roads. Pressure on road infrastructure is one of the major causes of road damages and accidents. We need alternatives.

And there is a lot of money to be made from rail. Lots of Direct/indirect jobs will be created and it will boost trade

What do they know, what do they know.

I'm happy Ezenwa starts, at least he would frustrate crosses from the wings.

mumemma:
Watch your over confidence

If the Zambians ranked around 20th in Africa can be so confident then why not us? Are you truly a fan? Fans are allowed to be confident of their team, the players and the coach can then be cautious. Go check the Zambian Facebook page and see how confident the fans are, even when they know they ain't favourites to win this. As an Arsenal fan nothing surprises me anymore and l have a tough skin for games now, relax man.

TayserMahiri:
I'm saying if Nigerians want to show us they are not just mouth people and not cowards, they should eliminate Nnamdi Kanu. I mean killing the dude. If Biafrans demand to see Kanu just show them Nwankwo Kanu

You guys should borrow a leaf from kenya on how to tackle nutheads. Our script works all the time.

Well l may not like lpob or Kanu, but l wonder why you think the man should be killed. I guess you're just kidding though.

eazyjakes:
Not so correct,a draw gives us 11points and we maintain our current goal difference of +5 while the zambians ll move to 8 points while they maintain their current goal difference of +2.if zambia beats cameroun 2nil and we lose to algeria by same scoreline,we will av a goal difference of +3 while the zambians move to a goal difference of +4. It is important to note that the first criteria for a group winner is goal differnce and NOT head to head results.this is quite an unlikely scenario bt it is just to emphasis that a draw against zambia does not yet guarantee a ticket to russia. An outright win against zambia is wat dis team really needs!

Do your calculation again, we have a goal difference of +7 and not +5.

tbaba1234:
From Rohr's last interview, I get the vibe that Ezenwa will start.

I still don't get what the hype is about this Akpeyi, and why some would want him to start.

Kazim88:
Nigeria case is worse...

The hate is terrible...

North are waiting to kill southerners, looking for any slightest provocation

If it was just an Oppressive government vs IPOB...

but they is a strong tribal undertone in Nigeria case.

Dont be deceived by this silence we are witnessing... Nigeria is about to explode.

Buhari lack skill to de-escalate tension... His Independent Day speech just added fuel.

If Kanu is actually alive, he must be planning full scale war... if Every diplomatic and international legallity fails to check mate Buratai and Buhari hence the demand of Kanu whereabout from FG by UK.

He has all the time, all the international support all the logistics to attack...

Nigeria Government on the other hand, lack international support.

Nigeria's case is not worse my man, stop deceiving yourself. Tribal differences can be dealt with anytime and Buhari would not be in power forever like Biya.

Yes Oh, e remain Akpeyi to injure.