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Xmuslim:
weldone. Dr zakir naik apologetics claim. I actually fell for this when I was a Muslim. Treason ko, treasan ni. Nonsen.se

You said let's use logic and I was using the same logical foundation you were trying to use against us but it does not sell abi?!
Ok.I understand.
Any logic that does not go inline with logical premise is flawed.

Xmuslim:
I don't have your time. You don't have to agree with me. OK?

You are closed minded and your mission is to defend Islam even if it's crystal clear that the religion go against common sense.

Since you are talking about logic, I want us to explore that logical fineness you seem to boast about.

You don't have my time because you know you have met more than your match.

But you had the time to be copying and pasting your "evidences" thinking nobody can sort out your ignorance.

Well,I will be waiting anytime you have our time.

Xmuslim:
let me ask you one honest question.

Were you patient enough to get answers to your doubt about Christianity from their scholars?

Were you patient enough to get answers to your doubt about Judaism from their scholars?


Were you patient enough to get answers to your doubt about Hinduism from their scholars?

Etc

Some of us are way smarter than being indoctrinated into a religion my friend. It surprised you that we left despite the strong indoctrination and the threat of eternal hell and the bait of eternal ṣèx. You clearly don't know what we have in our head

Keep talking from the top of your head.

Hell is real and whosever refuses to follow the last messenger will end up there.

And again,what is bad in sex?

I want to know?
Even the pope have to acknowledge the eating food and having sex are two of the greatest divine earthly pleasure.
What is bad in sex ?

I want to know before I can further this discussion with you.

advocatejare:
Zaid had been living with Mohammed since he was 8 years old, Mohammed was a father figure and by Arab's tradition that time, Zaid was entitled to every right Mohammed's biological children were entitled to.

Because of a single woman, Muhammad destroyed the tradition of adoption and its good privileges in the Arab world, just so that Mohammed could take over the wife of Zaid and make it legal.

If you don't see that as evil, then it's okay that means you can also do the same thing: take over the wife of someone who grew up with you and saw you as a father figure and role model.

The same Quran tell us that Mohammed had concealed the thought of marrying Zainab in his heart even before Zaid divorced her.

Muhammad was already coveting Zaid's wife. Muhammad broke the law of the true holy God that said "don't covet your neighbor's wife" instead of Allah to prove to Mohammed that he was a holy god, he proved us wrong by endorsing Mohammed's Zina of the heart and covetousness. Allah is a morally corrupt god.


Allah relegated women into a mere commodity by saying he married Zainab to Muhammad when Zaid was no longer in need of her.


"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

Now this the proof that adopted sons were treated as biological sons before Zina made Muhammad to change the rule

"Narrated `Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) Abu Hudhaifa, one of those who fought the battle of Badr, with Allah's Apostle adopted Salim as his son and married his niece Hind bint Al-Wahd bin `Utba to him' and Salim was a freed slave of an Ansari woman. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) also adopted Zaid as his son. In the Prelslamic period of ignorance the custom was that, if one adopted a son, the people would call him by the name of the adopted-father whom he would inherit as well, till Allah revealed: "Call them (adopted sons) By (the names of) their fathers." (33.5)
-Sahih al-Bukhari 5:59:335


"Narrated `Aisha:
Abu Hudhaifa bin `Utba bin Rabi`a bin `Abdi Shams who had witnessed the battle of Badr along with the Prophet (ﷺ) adopted Salim as his son, to whom he married his niece, Hind bint Al-Walid bin `Utba bin Rabi`a; and Salim was the freed slave of an Ansar woman, just as the Prophet (ﷺ) had adopted Zaid as his son. It was the custom in the Pre-lslamic Period that if somebody adopted a boy, the people would call him the son of the adoptive father and he would be the latter's heir. But when Allah revealed the Divine Verses: 'Call them by (the names of) their fathers . . . your freed-slaves,' (33.5) the adopted persons were called by their fathers' names. The one whose father was not known, would be regarded as a Maula and your brother in religion. Later on Sahla bint Suhail bin `Amr Al-Quraishi Al-`Amiri-- and she was the wife of Abu- Hudhaifa bin `Utba--came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! We used to consider Salim as our (adopted) son, and now Allah has revealed what you know (regarding adopted sons)." The sub-narrator then mentioned the rest of the narration."
-Sahih al-Bukhari 7:62:25


"Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
We used not to call Zaid bin Haritha the freed slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) except Zaid bin Muhammad till the Qu'anic Verse was revealed: "Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers. That is more than just in the Sight of Allah." (33.5)
-Sahih al-Bukhari6:60:305


'Narrated 'Aishah:
It was narrated from 'Aishah that Abu Hudhaifah bin 'Utbah bin Rabi'ah bin 'Abd Shams --who was one of those who had been present at Badr with the Messenger of Allah-- adopted Salim and married him to his brother's daughter, Hind bint Al-Walid bin 'Utbah bin Rabi'ah bin 'Abd Shams, and he was a freed slave of an Ansari woman --as the Messenger of Allah had adopted Zaid. During the Jahiliyyah, if a man adopted someone, the people would call him his son, and he would inherit from his legacy, until Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed about that: 'Call them by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allah. But if you know not their fathers' (names, call them) your brothers in Faith and Mawalikum (your freed slaves)." Then if a person's father's name was not known, he would be their freed slave and brother in faith.
- Sunan an-Nasa'i 3223

if someone bears your name as his surname and would inherit your property and legacy, is called your heir, what other more benefit or right does a biological child enjoy that is above this?

I don't need to read your long thesis.
The issue is ,what you Christians see as forbidden is allowed for us.
My adopted son can never be and will never be my biological son no matter the linguistic semantics you employ.
Thank God for DNA.

I know the emotional attachment and all that .
But still, he is still not your son this is what Islam is very clear on issues like this

All still emotion no rationality.

My adopted son is still an adopted son not my biological son.

So,are you saying your foster father and your father will ever be the same?

Drop your emotions and judge with your common sense God has given to you.

sagenaija:
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Your problem is in one word 'comprehension'.
No insult intended.

The issue is not about America or islamic state or multi religious state. The issue is DOES ISLAM AS A RELIGION TEACH what we have stated? Simple.

You see the problem with some of you.
You just want us to answer yes or no to questions that needs clarification before answering them.
How can you impose your interpretation on us and expect any rational Muslim to just accept?
How?

Is like asking you can a Christian marry a woman?

It will be very foolish of you to say yes without seeking to understand the question properly, because if you do,you are already saying marrying one's mother, sister,aunts and daughters since they are women.
This is the trap you are setting for us and I can see clearly through it.

advocatejare:
Let me break it down for you.

God is a holy one that detests all forms of immoralities, by God I mean Yahweh and not Allah. Because Allah itself is an immoral god, if he's not he won't justify the shameful action of Muhammad to have married the wife of Zaid his adopted son. Rather than reprimand Muhammad, Allah gave him the nod to go ahead with his immoral acts and say he can have as many woman as possible.

David that tried a similar thing was reprimanded and severely punished by Yahweh to prove that Yahweh doesn't condone immorality.

And Allah even says all what Muslims will be doing in paradise is to be having sex.

Before I go further. Tell me if Allah is a holy god and prove it from the Quran or Sahih hadith

Keep talking as if morality you don't even understand from your jaundice approach is what we should follow.

How can you call it immoral if one marries is adopted son's wife?
How ?!

Marriage is a contract of acceptance and rejection.

How we Muslims marry in Islam is clearly defined in the Qur'an.

And adopted son is not your biological son.
Get that straight.
One can marry any woman apart from his father's wife ,son's wife and a long list of female relatives but definitely not you divorced adoptee son's wife.

Using the marriage of David as reported in your Bible as a premise to judge how we Muslims marry shows the error in your conclusion.

Newsflash!
We don't believe Dawud (peace be upon him)which you call David will do such thing as sending a soldier to war so he can have his way with the soldier's wife..
I know the story too well.
We don't believe any prophet of God will do that and as such,your claims are irrelevant to how we marry our women.


Is Allaah the holy God or not?
Let's break it down like this;God is the supreme being we humans acknowledge has the creator of all beings seen and unseen.
Before you ask what a word means in another person's vocabulary you need to do a little research of etymology before speaking.
The word "God" is Germanic in origin "GOTT" which was later anglicized to "God" referring to the same eternal being.
Whether you call Him Yaweh,Jeovah,Allaah,Obangiji(in Hausa),Oluhun(In Yoruba),Chukwu(in Igbo),Oghena(In Etsako in Edo state,my place),Eli or Elohim(in Aramaic in Jesus's mother tongue) we refer to the same everliving,omnipotent and omniscient being.

Trying to place a dichotomy between who is Allaah and who is "Yaweh" or "Jeovah" shows how (sorry to say) unread you are.

Christian Arabs specifically the Coptic Christians in Egypt use the word Allaah in their arabic Bibles same goes for other Arabs Christians in the some middle east nations like Lebanon and Syria.

And it beats me hollow as to how some of you just pop out from nowhere and trying to push it down our throats that we must take your views or the high way when you are wholly ignorant of your religion.

If I decide to ask some of the basic tenents of your faith believe me, you can't and you will not be able to answer with the benefit of your bible.

advocatejare:
If you're referring to Xmuslim, then your assertion is not true.

Go and read his posts and comments again and you'll have a rethink

What are is claims?!
I have read them and they are as watery as they come.

I have asked him series of question on this same thread let him answer them first.

Because he is a ex-muslim makes you think he is a sort of an authority in our religion?!

Let him answer those questions first.

advocatejare:
I get your points bro, I had many reservations about Christianity too until I studied Jesus on my own, I read the New Testament on my own and examine the teachings of Jesus.

The one that struck me was when he summarised all the laws into two. He said just love the Lord God with all your heart and love your neighbors like yourself

Matt.22.37 - Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
Matt.22.38 - This is the first and greatest commandment.
Matt.22.39 - And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
Matt.22.40 - All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

If all the prophets hang on these laws, how come Muhammad that claim to be a Prophet never preached love?

The other thing that struck me is that Islam teaches that Muhammad was the greatest Prophet and yet Allah couldn't prevent him from dying from poison, yet the same Allah rescued Jesus from dying on the cross and raised Jesus alive to heaven. Why didn't Allah honour Muhammad like that?


Also, Muhammad was the only 'prophet' that died of poison and Muhammad claimed he was a believer like Jesus. But the same Jesus said poison cannot work on believers, yet poison worked on Muhammad. That means Muhammad was not a believer. He was obviously an impostor.

"Bukhari 5:59:713
...
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."


Mark.16.17 - And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Mark.16.18 - they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."



Thanks once again. It was when I was at the point of leaving Islam that I searched for all these truth to justify my exit from the cult of falsehoods or to be able to see for myself the lies my Ustaz have told me

Very lame argument.
Very very lame.

Loving God means what to you?

How do you even know what loving God means?

Some of you are just oscillating between trying to know and claiming to know.

I want to know what you mean by loving God first before we go further.

Meekha:
With all due respect to your religion and your emotional connection to it, there are a number of things I find discomforting and those were my sole reasons for leaving Islam.

I'll like to ask how you feel about...

* The Death Punishment for Apostasy.

* The fact that Islam approve of Muslim males to marry non-Muslim females and will often violently reject non-Muslim males from marrying a Muslim female.

* The fact that Allah intentionally lead some people astray and let some people remain in the right path

* Calling for the death of those who criticise your prophet.

To be honest, all of these reasons are absurd to me and they were part of the reasons why I knew I can't continue to be a Muslim. This is because to you me, the ideology upon which Islam is was built reeks of insecurity and conquest.

As a person who cherishes his own free will and freedom to choose, all of these does not make any sense to me because they do not harmonize with our human nature.

So Muslims, the table has turned to you. What is it about Christianity or other religions that makes you think that they are not the right religion or why do you still insist that Islam is the right religion even when it will readily call for your death when you decide to leave it??

One thing ex Muslims say to berate Muslims is the idea that they are "free" from the so called ethics and moral chains of Islam.
I hate it to break this to you:
No one is truly free in that sense ,because if you are truly free you would do as you wish without no one questioning you. Is that the case?!

This is the cheap lie some of you who leave Islam tell others.
Can you really do as you like ?
Even the way you worship in Christianity:do you do certain acts based on your whims or what you are being told by MOGs?

We all know you left because you were not
patient and knowledgeable enough to seek answers to your doubts.
You just wanted something that will massage your ego that's why you left.
Those points you listed can easily be refuted without thinking twice.

advocatejare:
Thank you brother

His dumbness about the topic is monumental,

He knows nothing of what he has been yapping about.

I have asked him some basic questions which he is yet to answer.

Let him answer me first.

Before you claim to know something you must be able to explain what you claim.
This is a basic maxim.

Xmuslim:
Islam is not that different from trinity if you look at it critically.

Muhammad says your solat is not accepted if you don't do salat ala nabiy. Why would Allah want you to pray for Muhammad before he bless Muhammad.

You can't be a good Muslim if you don't love Muhammad more than your parents, children and your own life.

Obviously Muhammad was using one God claim to scam you guys, but silently forcing you to worship him indirectly

.
Stop sounding "intelligent " when you are basically ignorant about the practices of Muslims.

Your Xmuslims moniker has farmed you out.

You don't know anything you are speaking of.

Do you know what salaah alaa nabiy means?

Do you know what it means to love the prophet more than we love our parents?

How is obeying his instructions about God amounts to worshiping him?

Do you even understand basic English?

I see;to you: black is white,red is green.
And the sad part is you just a too intellectually impaired to see beyond your shallowness you mistake for intelligence.

sagenaija:
Below debunks your claims.

THE HADITH ON APOSTASY
There are several Hadith that state that apostates are to be killed. Unlike the Koran there is no ambiguity or subjectivity in the Hadith’s statements.

Bukhari’s Hadith Collection

Bukhari, volume 9, #17

"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #57

Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58

Narrated Abu Burda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

Bukhari volume 4, #656:

You see one problem with those who want to " refute" Islamic positions,they so it with so much gusto and so.much confident that you think there is literally no chink in their armour of argument.
Guess what? You just failed woefully in flying colours trying to tailor make Islam to your shallow understanding.

The killing of an apostate here, is like someone who committed treason in an ISLAAMIC STATE not in a state multi religious state like Nigeria.
In Islam killing of an apostate is not done jungle justice style ,no.
It is done in accordance with lay down laws .

If you can go against the main body of Muslims and say it is okay in an ISLAAMIC STATE then the gavel falls on you.

Have you asked yourself why the American government are still prosecuting Edward Snowden and Julia Assange for treason which we all know is punishable by death?

Some of you come around sounding like an intellectual liona not knowing you are hapless mice trying to roar like lions.

IamD18:
This maltreatment of underage maids is just common with Igbos.

It's just so typical of Igbos not to be accommodating. They don't care who you are, so long as you aren't their kids, it'll be tough for you. They don't accommodate.

Major reason why other tribes finds it difficult to settle in Igbo land.

This comment is undisputed!
They hardly accommodate people yet come to other people's land and call it no man's land.

Drienzia:
Please don’t make a nuisance of yourself o. Delta state is more Developed than Edo state o say this elsewhere they will laugh at you

Have you been to Edo state?

Have you been to all parts of Edo state?!

What Oshiomole did in Edo during his tenure trumps all Ibori,Uduahgan and Okowa did.

Even your people from Delta who schooled in my state say this more often than not.

Read other comment from Sammyblack87 and Afamed.

If Delta state was better developed we will read it on the news, but we have next to nothing showing us those.

Make una dey get shame small before una talk.

edoairways:
It is part of governance because those housemates gave a good image about Deltans.

Which image?!
What moral,intellectual and social benefit was the show for?!
I bet there are Deltans outside this show of shame that needed this kind of endorsement but sadly won't get a whiff of it.

Why are you people like this?!
Why?!

collum:
u still not responding to my query sir, what particular sector are u against and what state are u comparing the state with? I travel minimum 5 state monthly and reside in delta state for ňw

See,Bros, let's not be too insular in our approach.
Can you in anyway compare Delta state to Akwa Ibom?
Can you ?!
Even Edo state is far better in terms of roads and schools talk more of hospitals.
I didn't particularly mention Rivers because you will say it's an old state.

The governor is simply trying to curry favour.
From James Onanefi Ibori to Uduagha to Okowa Delta state has not been on the lead which she ought to.

I really ashamed that my Niger delta sister state is like this .
It's really a shame.

solmus:
The whole African watches DStv and big brother Nigeria

Stop lying here.

inkboy:
One thing we all need to understand is that, Ozo played the SIMP game not only for Nengi but for other women out there that appreciate men like him. More gifts coming from other women (Most especially feminists, Bossy women, career and older women) that like the kind of Guy he is.


The 2 biggest mess ups in this last season were Trickytee and Erica, Trickytee was just playing his name; Being tricky, and it was very obvious. Dude was just a smart fool. Erica got carried away by OBO, she didnt understand the game. She just came to waste her time and she played her folly role.

Nengi is the type of girl every Nigga should avoid. She switched up on Ozo because she already smelled the dough on the CON artist.

Read and Imbibe the 48 laws of power and you are set to reach top 3 if you are selected at the audition, most especially the "The perfect courtier"

Be positive always, non sentimental and expressive. Be for everybody and be for nobody.

Truly; Big brother is a show to learn moral from and Laycon the Icon deserved the win.

Oga, there is nothing to learn in that show that has not been seen in real life.
I would have named this show a show for dummies,but no I won't. Since some people who I thought would have better judgement are worst than I thought.

We should stop spending time promoting rubbish.

osamz007:
our youths no poor abeg

Na today you know.

Ikea81:
Confused governor . Tinubu's puppet, settler of agbero

Keep mouthing rubbish!
I would prefer to have a godfather who knows his onions than over sabi people like who know nothing but always seeking people's down fall.

Cantonese:
What's special about that especially as all wards have many needs? So if one ward chooses a school project, roads are neglected for example? Our leaders should just wake up and spend massively on projects all over the nation.

This comment really proves why many of you have no idea how government is run.
You say anything that idelusional that pops out of your brain.

Have you asked yourself how funds are generated?
What a ward even look like?
And how things work at that level?
You think to rule people is like drinking tea and having cake for break fast?
It's clear some of you just want to make noise without knowing working with clear thought out plans than doing everything like a bull in China shop.

Hambivert:
Sparogatively, I just want to ask what is the function of the Local Government?

If The Federal Government leaves it's own duties and begins to perform the duties of a state, how would that sound¿

Bizarre?

Well, I don't find this commendable . Give the Local Government back their powers! Some would say that the Local Government structure has failed, well, if it has, the state made it fail.

We do Local Government elections and elect chairmen who are supposed to oversee the Local Government and Ward affairs, but na lie, our greedy state level politicians no go allow dem see money wey dem go use do their work.

Your input are really worth looking at but،I think what the governor is doing here is looking at projects which are ordinarily beyond the capacity of local government chairmen then doing something to solve it.

In all,they are all working for the betterment of their people.
And again, it could be what we read here does not fully capture the essensce of what the governor is working on.

NaijaCr7:
Poverty mentality mixed with inferiority complex

It's a gift and am sure it would have been what the child (celebrant) wished for.. I am sure no inscription on the box reads you must Payback with similar gesture.

Why don't u stop breathing because you think u can't pay God what it worth.

You go your friend party he serve you rice and chicken shey that one mean say u no go invite am come yours cos na rice Nd fish u fit afford.

And for those Mofos saying PS4 is counter productive, you need to do more research. Gaming helps develop mental reasoning and decision making, the only bad side is addiction, and we all know addiction to any thing is likely dangerous.

Modified.
Let's assume the father of the celebrant gets to know about such act from the child's father, in the future when such child need his connection to get something am sure he might be skeptical offering a hand....when you can afford a school where your child can mix with the influential what you teach them is power of humility, sharing and contentment. You don't create enemies for them because of perceived competition

Very myopic point!
He can choose to train his child as he deems fit.
You can as well spoil your Child with accepting gifts beyond your reach simply because some of you do not know what it means to be a parent.

Some of you just type rubbish without looking at the issue holistically.
She is iñ school to get the best of education not in school to be influenced with wealth or gift that can turn her to a greedy person tomorrow.
She is in her formative years and needs every guidance now than ever.
I can see why meritocracy as died in this country because of crude mentality like yours

AFvckingAlpha:
The fvck

Niggarr!!


Disgusting!

This is what a poverty stricken mind can cause!

The oppression just start!!

Hustle o! So you nor go perform this rubbish wey just happen for here.

I got nothing else to say but hustle!!

How may hustle you don hustle wey make you fit buy Ferrari?
This terrible mindset like yours na im dey make boys dey steal abs do yahoo yahoo for benin.
There is one thing called common sense and contentment which many of you lack.

Go hustle steal so you can be like the Joneses.
Nonsense!

AllOfUsAtManna:
a disciplinarian that ruined his party.
agbero tactics no dey work in some cases sometimes.
that's what Oshiomole lacked.

in all ramifications Oyegun outperformed it if you can tell yourself the truth.

the only reason yerobas love Oshiomole is because of his loyalty to Tinubu
that's all

Oyegun was visibly unknown in APC.
It was actually the coming together of Buhari and Tinubu that actually brought APC to where it is.
It had little or nothing to do with Oyegu's capacity as a party leader.
So stop comparing apples to oranges.

The write up is just so insipid for my liking.

If you were to sit down and compare the circumstances you will see that Oshiomike towers far above Oyegu as a party chairman.

Or you forgot that it was under the sane Oyegu the likes of Saraki and Dogara were busy playing
opposition in the same party and he couldn't do anything.