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kokabiel: I thought it was the exact opposite

thehomer: Then they may as well continue posting on the Religion board.

thehomer:
An atheist board won't save you because we'll just post there and still post here too. Are you scared of a little online challenge?

Area_boy: cos asking questions is what brought us to our conclusions. You should try it, it doesn't hurt to ask questions. They only silly question is the one you don't ask

musKeeto: Na, some of them remembered Proverbs 26:4
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself."

musKeeto: Seconded..


It's IGNORANT to claim to see things from all angles, if you haven't dropped your Bible and taken a good extrospective look at religion as a whole...

cyrexx: not only educated in illiteracy but graduated in stupidity and doctorate in mumurity.

i dont know who send him, do atheists campaign that they want a separate board?

i dont think he knows the meaning of what is called forum.

justaqad: and who do you think will visit atheist board?

truthislight: I never knew the bible is stupid?
Thanks for informing me.
Peace

dekung: lmfao......rotfl.....lwkmd..... FX who gave you my details? Honestly when I read the above statements I almost fell off my seat.
Ok back to the post (still laffing),
I, dekung, do not attend MFM. I USED to attend Daystar and I have stopped attending since last year. My wife is still a good christian because I want a happy home and if she is happy going to church why should I stop her? So long as her actions do not run foul to the laws of the land and not threaten my marriage or jeopardize the health of my two beautiful children, I dont have any problems. My wife still attends Daystar and she is a personal friend to Pastor Nike Adeyemi. I still alow House fellowship in my home out of courtesy to the attendees. I leave the house for them whenever they start their delusional gathering. In fact I av even reshaped my vocabulary such that I dont use the phrase 'Thank God' anymore in mid sentence, rather I use 'thankfully'. Adolf Hitler, never at any point claimed to be an atheist. I may be wrong tho but please provide quotes to show his atheistic stance not the comparative suggestions you are using here.

[b]Atheists always love to claim that Hitler was a Christian in order to give Christianity a bad image. Pls read and hear from Hitler's own mouth to know his true stance: http://www.doxa.ws/social/Hitler.html

Hitler was not a Christian:
Refutation of Atheist Slander

One sees more and more the atheist bring up the lie that Hitler was a Christian. The point of arguing this is merely an implication: if Hitler was a Christian than Christianity doesn't realty change one's life or help one to be good. Some even go so far as to imply that Christian teaching will make you into a nazi! I've just recently had a major argument (10/5/07) on a message board with atheist several of whom asserted that all Christians are guilty of the Holocaust! As the Dawkinsians transform atheism into a hate group the potential for violent retributions grows hotter and hotter. But the desrie for vengeance is all in vein because it is nothing mroe thana slanderously lie, Hitler was not a Christian.

Hitler said some Christian sounding things in his campaign speeches, of course he did. He would have been a fool to say "I am evil and i want to destroy society and launch us into a two front war we can't win, vote for me." Atheists naively assume we can trust his campaign speeches just as we would a personal diary, but most of us know you can't trust anything a politician says in a camping! In the 1930's voters in major Western countries expected Christian candidates even more than they do now.

Hitler's Private Statements


found on:

Asnwers in ;Action


The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)



Hitler admits public statements are hallucinated to persuade and have no bearing on truth.

these are private statements Hitler made. Atheists quote his public statments which sound Chritian in places. But I argue there were political lies callculated to hoodwink the masses. What did Hitler believe about public statments and propaganda? He tells us:

"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)



Hitler's Lies in action

From Webstie Adolf Hitler, Christian, Atheist, or Neither?

"As an example of Hitler's honesty, consider the following from a letter by Hitler to the French fascist Hervé and published in the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter on October 26, 1930 (Heiden, Der Fuehrer, p. 414)" :
"I think I can assure you that there is no one in Germany who will not with all his heart approve any honest attempt at an improvement of relations between Germany and France. My own feelings force me to take the same attitude... The German people has the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers... And I regard the maintenance of peace in Europe as especially desirable and at the same time secured, if France and Germany, on the basis of equal sharing of natural human rights, arrive at a real inner understanding... The young Germany, that is led by me and that finds its expression in the National Socialist Movement, has only the most heartfelt desire for an understanding with other European nations."



Obviously he was lying, here's an even bigger lie.

Ibid

In a similar vein, consider this, from a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939: "Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration: 1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted..."


No one is going to persecuted for his/her religious views in Germany? Its' well documented that Hitler persecuted any many groups for their religious views, including Protestants, and Catholics(more on that latter)

Overy,Why the Allies Won,(W.W. Norton, 1996) 284.

Italy was the home of Roman Catholicism; Germany's population was one-third Catholic. Religion in both states lived in uneasy proximity with regimes that were strongly anti-clerical in outlook peddling new secular religions of their own. The same month that the Papacy condemned communism, a second encyclical was published, "Mit Brennender Sorge" ("With Burning Anxiety", which condemned the Nazi persecution of the churches, Nazi racism and Mussolini's deification of the state. Though Hitler often invoked God or Providence when he spoke, he was a thoroughly lapsed Catholic. Hitler considered Christianity incompatible with with the new National-Socialist age--it was "merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics". He deplored the survivalof religious observance among German ministers and generals, "little children who have learnt nothing else". He regarded Christianity and communism as two sides of the same coin, sharing in St. Paul a common Jewish ancesteor. Hitler took the German nation as his religion. This did not make him a pagan as was widely believed, although paganism was practised under the Third Reich. The German Faith Movement, under the banner of the golden sun-wheel, with the "Song of the Goths" as their anthem, indulged in pagan festivals and invoked the gods of pre-Christian Germany. Heinrich Himmler's SS generated a pagan theology, a pagan litury, even a pagan credo.



The following points are from Bede's Library an article called "Hitler and Christianity by an agnostic and an amateur historian of 20th Century German history, Edward Bartlett-Jones.


(1) The Attitude Instilled in the Hitler youth

A Hitler Youth marching song (Grunberger, A Social History) illustrates it:
We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.


(Horst Wessel was an early Nazi party Sturmabteilung street-fighter murdered by communists and turned into a martyr by propaganda chief Josef Goebbels.)



(2) SS was very anti-Christian and Occult bassed

The SS were particularly anti-Christian, and officers and men were encouraged to leave the Church, although those that refused to renounce their Christian faith were not visibly punished, perhaps because their otherwise faithful adherence to SS codes of behaviour gave the lie to any claim of true Christian affiliation. The SS also brought in its own neo-pagan rituals for marriage ceremonies and baptisms



(3) Himmler was deeply into the occult, Hitler dabbled.


In the debate about his spiritual leanings, Hitler is also sometimes alleged to have flirted with the occult, although in fact it was far more a passion of Himmler’s. For instance, Hitler loathed astrologers. Others close to him, such as Goering, were also dismissive of Himmler’s obsession with the supernatural and Hitler would no doubt have enjoyed Goebbels' joke, during one clampdown on eccentric religious types, that it was “odd that not a single one [of a group of arrested clairvoyants] predicted he would be arrested”. Goebbels would later try to rally Hitler in his bunker at the end of the war with astrological charts predicting victory but Hitler was still unmoved.

Source: http://www.doxa.ws/social/Hitler.html[/b]

thehomer: I first asked you a question that you're yet to respond to. Why don't you answer that?

The evidence of the God will depend on the God in question. When you've answered my question and let me know the God you have in mind, then I'll answer yours.

cyrexx: Mr big mouth, dont think you are the only one with the right to fling unnecessary insult everywhere. i have plenty in my arsenal too which i wont hesitate to use. i just value mature intelligent dialogue more than childish senseless rantings.
If my posts makes no sense to you, then by all means, ignore it and let others who are more reasonable than you read and comment intelligently instead of this childish waffling you are so fond of.
and to think of it, i wasn't even addressing you in the first place

savcy: Seun,ur arguement holds no water. You are obviously deluded in ur ignorance. God owes u no explanation. Accept the truth for what it is. Evn wit 50PhDs u canot understand God. :-@

MacDaddy01: Ignorance is a disease, didnt hitler talk about his faith?

savcy:


Wrong. Christianity was imported to Africa. Our forefathers were pagans. Some of our forefathers were actually atheist or agnostics. This is because some of them went against the oracles or gods f the village. My grandmother was born into paganism but did not believe in it. Atheism is worldwide. Christianity is imported



The OP stated that pple makes it seem like xtianity was d only form of religion(as regards d topic) that was imported. Meaning he appreciated d fact dat xtianity was imported. Also, None of fore-fathers were pagans! They all had ds spiritual appeal!

Jenwitemi: A christian goes to church, carries bible about, profess his/her love and worship of Jesus christ and awaits his return, believes Jesus died for the sin of mankind and arose on the third day to become christ. What else is there to know? What else have i missed?

A religionist is, most times, religious. And that is what all christians are, RELIGIOUS. And the last time i looked, religious folks(eg. christians) have RELIGION like christianity which is, itself, a religion.

cyrexx: It seems his willful ignorance is incurable, to even list a staunch catholic hitler as an atheist on an "anticirist" nairaland website that he's addicted to...

2good: You are so ignorant that you see the truth and still decide to be ignorant because of religious brainwashing. I have no time arguing with an ignoramus like you. continue to live in your delusion

Jenwitemi: A christian is a religionist, dude. And christianity is very much a religion, no matter how much folks like you would love to think otherwise. Christianity has been a religion for the last two thousand years and you come along thinking you can change that? Delusion.

2good: How come over 90% of Nigerians are very religious with Atheist as minority while the level of poverty and suffering is extremely high? Many European countries on the alternative have almost 50% and above Atheist population yet you Nigerian Christians flood their embassy struggling to go to their ungodly country. What about all the special prayer points you guys make in your churches just to get a visa to go their country?
You are just too deluded to even give a chance to using your brain and it is too bad because you are making a fool of many of the reasonable theist around.

Also why did you delete this post I quoted?

omo_to_dun: Common sense tells me that a perfect God can only create a perfect world. That our world is imperfect says a lot about its putative creator.

For thousands of years, your ancestors lived in Africa without the knowledge of Jesus, so I guess, they are all bound for hell, according to you and as per the indoctrinations melded into your heart as a child.

It really is a shame that Christians must use fear to try to persuade non-Christians to convert.

I'd rather die an atheist than end up an hateful person as you are.

Jenwitemi: A christian is a religionist, dude. And christianity is very much a religion, no matter how much folks like you would love to think otherwise. Christianity has been a religion for the last two thousand years and you come along thinking you can change that? Delusion.